Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #331
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Date:     Tue, 28 Jun 94 20:13:10 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #331, Volume #2                Tue, 28 Jun 94 20:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  XDM and Virtual Consoles... (olivier blondeau)
  Re: VP/ix for Linux? (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (Patrick Brewer)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Frank Tegtmeyer)
  Re: comp.os.linux.misc (Robert King)
  Re: Suggestions for Machine (Robert King)
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (sidney hellman)
  Re: Umsdos+Swap (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
  Quantex P-90 as Linux box (John Francis Lynn)
  SCSI problems -- FIFO has extra bits (David Bendrihem)
  Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY? (Ron Smits)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Erick I. Yamanaka)
  Re: Youngest linux user (Chris Cannon)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (Patrick Schaaf)
  Difficult Linux Instructions... (Beng Teck Here...)
  Minicom Transfer Problems (Mr. Mister)
  DOOM For X? (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
  dip 3.3.7 uri  ( I can't make it work ) (Alan Laird)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (Richard Krehbiel)
  Re: ftape and Conner Backup Basics (Ethan Henry)

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From: blonde_o@photon.epita.fr (olivier blondeau)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: XDM and Virtual Consoles...
Date: 28 Jun 1994 15:52:05 GMT

  Hello all,

  I'm trying to get xdm running on different virtual Consoles...

  At this time, my Xservers file look like this:

:0 Local /usr/X386/bin/X :0
:1 Local /usr/X386/bin/X :1

  But, if I want xdm to run correctly, I have to comment the second line, start
xdm, uncomment the second line, and then do a ctrl-c on the login window to
restart xdm.

  If I don't do that, the two X servers seem to run on the save virtual console...

  Thanks for any help :*))

-- 
                                                Amicalement, Olivier...

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: VP/ix for Linux?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 01:57:20 GMT

In article <jmaclean.160.00157C9E@fox.nstn.ns.ca>, jmaclean@fox.nstn.ns.ca (James B. MacLean) says:
+---------------
| In article <DMW.94Jun27101434@prism1.prism1.com> dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright) writes:
| >        1) Ability to grab & release floppy disks "on the fly".
| 
| Well, if you mean you can switch floppies as in real DOS, sure, it's been 
| there since Robert :-). 
+------------->8

No; the idea is that VP/ix, etc., don't grab the floppy drive until the first
access, and can release it via pull-down menus or equivalent.  I haven't
checked; does dosemu allow *other* processes to access the floppy drive(s)
while it's running?  (Handle floppies like the serial ports in #2).

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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From: noble@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Patrick Brewer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 20:36:31 GMT

In article <1994Jun17.083852.2883@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>In article <merlyn.771807115@winternet.com> merlyn@icicle.winternet.com (Doug McIntyre) writes:

>SunOS is stable. My experience with Solaris is not all good. I figure thats
>probably why sunsite.unc.edu is still running SunOS. If you do run Solaris 
>make sure its 2.3 and make sure you are up to date on all the patches. Then 
>its not too bad.
>
        Sunsite is paid for by Sun, so they probably run what Sun 
tells them to run. 



=======================================================================
Patrick W. Brewer           CATT Alumni  
noble@catt.ncsu.edu

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From: ft@amber.baltic.de (Frank Tegtmeyer)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:34:15 GMT

horne@mhd2.pfc.mit.edu wrote:
> My daughters are 10 and 8.  The 10-year-old uses Emacs to do her school
> papers; they both play nethack (interminably).  Probly doesn't count, though.

My son isn't that experienced, he uses Emacs on my Linux only to learn to
write his name and some other words. But he is only five years old :-)
And he has the knowledge (against some secretaries here in germany)
not to press enter to enter a new line. Word wrapping makes him really
happy ...

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From: robking@actrix.gen.nz (Robert King)
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 04:32:42 GMT

In article <1994Jun22.122400.19817@newton.ccs.tuns.ca>,
Reginald D Hody <hodyrd@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> wrote:
> Brad Pitzel (pitzel@cs.sfu.ca) wrote:
> > In <mtalebiCrs39p.8FI@netcom.com> mtalebi@netcom.com (max talebi) writes
> > >Does anyone know any ftp sites for downloading the linux OS. I heard you can
> > >run this OS on 386 PC w/ 4-8 Meg. RAM, any Idea anyone.
> > >Max R. Talebi@netcom.com
> > >                                             mtalebi@netcom.com
> 
> > Linux? Nope, never heard of it.
> 
> > :-):-):-):-):-)
> > --brad
> That was *really* cruel Brad. I assume that you sent him mail on the
> subject. 

Now, if Brad had left off the :-) x 5, then THAT would be *really* cruel :-)
-- 
=======================================+======================================
Robert King                       NEW ZEALAND            robking@actrix.gen.nz
 COBOL: The only programming language to successfully compile "War and Peace"
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From: robking@actrix.gen.nz (Robert King)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Machine
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 04:42:43 GMT

In article <2ubsng$1ja@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>,
Mr Jamie Anstice (Esq) <anstice@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> I've finally scraped enough money together (well convinced the bank) to
> be able to replace my aging 386sx-16 with a 486.
> 
> But which option?
> 
> 1) 486DX2/50, ViewSonic 6E, Cirrus 5426(from memory) 1MB VESA SVGA, 
>      8 MB RAM, VESA IDE Controller, 540MB (Enhanced?)IDE drive.  
>      & Line Conditioner.
> 
> 2) As above, but with 486DX40.
> 
> 3) AMD 486DX2/66, 14" KTX nothing special monitor, 420MB normal IDE drive,
>      no line conditioner, otherwise same as above.
> 
> 
> Prices are pretty close ( 1 & 2 same, 3 within $30)
> Around NZ$3220, inc 12.5% sales tax.  (exchange rate is NZ$1 ~= US$0.55)
> 
> Will I notice the difference a DX2/66 makes over the others, or shall I
> go for the bigger HD and better monitor  (and incidentally better keyboard).
> 
> 
> Oh, 256K cache, keyboard, mouse, no DOS, etc.
> 
> Cheers
> Jamie
> 

Jamie,
Which bank? I need a new motherboard and HDD :-)

I reckon you should ditch the View Sonic monitor and get something decent 
like a Philips or Sony.  True, they are a tad expensive but the tubes are 
much nicer.  I've seen ViewSonics up here in Wellington and they don't 
appear to be southern hemishpere monitors.  Strange as it may sound, the 
magnetic effects, or whatever, of being down under distort the picture.  
APPARENTLY.

Anyway, the ViewSonics, a 17" and a 15", that I saw had distrorted in the 
shop!

A 15" NI Philips with built-in stereo speakers costs around $1150 up 
here.  Something out of the Philips Brilliance or Sony Trinitron would be 
my choice.

My 0.02c of Student Loan worth :-)
-- 
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Robert King                       NEW ZEALAND            robking@actrix.gen.nz
 COBOL: The only programming language to successfully compile "War and Peace"
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From: sid@ldgo.columbia.edu (sidney hellman)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:15:57 GMT

In article <2updgq$t6v@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts) writes:
> tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
> 
> >Greg Shaw <shaw@manwe.fmsoft.com> wrote:
> >>Which is why Microsoft is having to rip out disk compression from DOS,
> >>correct?  These sorts of practices are predatory, and can backfire badly.
> 
> >Microsoft isn't ripping disk compression out of DOS.
> 
> Which planet do you live on?  Microsoft lost their case against Stac and had
> to remove DoubleSpace from subsequent copies of DOS 6.2.
> 
And then a week later they announced a partnership with Stack.


-- 
Sid Hellman at the Passcal Instrument Center |          
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory             |  "There is a fine line between 
of Columbia University                       |      Clever and Stupid."
sid@ldeo.columbia.edu    (914)365-8728       |          - David St. Hubbins

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From: slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
Subject: Re: Umsdos+Swap
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 05:25:11 GMT

Danny Gould (dgould@helix.nih.gov) wrote:
: >
: >I started Linux when I was 14, Now I am 15. I installed it about 5 months
: >ago.. I love it..
: >
: >-em

: I know people that just turned 14 that probably beat you out by a few
: months.  I didn't start running it till I was 15, and not 24hr/day for my
: SLIP connection till recently (I am 16).  I am sure that there are younger
: users, as I have been using other UNIces since I was 13.

        Kids these days.  *grin*

-Sam (19)


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From: jlynn@advection.engin.umich.edu (John Francis Lynn)
Subject: Quantex P-90 as Linux box
Date: 28 Jun 1994 02:54:13 GMT

I was wondering if anyone had tried running Linux on one of
Quantex's P-90's. I know this may be FAQ related, so forgive
me if the answers were obviously there - I didn't find them 
while browsing through

Will Linux support the ISA Sony 33A CD-Rom?
I was also worried about the CL 5434 video chipset? Is there support
for this?

Thanks in advance,

John Lynn


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: bendi@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (David Bendrihem)
Subject: SCSI problems -- FIFO has extra bits
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:31:58 GMT

Howdy.

        I've been tyring to install Linux on my 486-66 at home but I keep
coming up with the same problem.  I have a QAccess VLB Card that has the
SCSI adpater, the floppy controller, the serial and parrallel ports and
a game port on it.  
        Linux keeps saying that there are extra bytes in the FIFO.  That and
when it reaches the login prompt, the name of the machine ends up as
'(none) ' and loging in as root only leads back to the login prompt again.

        If any other information is needed to help with this, I'd be more
than happy to help out with it.
        Last night, on a fluke incident, linux came up, and I was able to
log in and life was wonderful for a breif moment in time.  If anyone can
help it would be greatly appreciated.
        Thanks in advance.

                                        Dave

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bendi@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov     M/S 238-528
Jet Propulsion Labs           Pasadena, CA 91109
(818) 354-6129                Brake for Moose, it may save your life!
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-- 

                                        Dave

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 16:23:41 GMT

>>>>> "Vince" == Vince Giambalvo <vgiambal@nmsu.edu> writes:

    >> I presume that you are asking this because you want to copy a
    >> directory tree with all the subdirectories and have the program
    >> create the directories if they do not exist. I always do this
    >> with cpio:
    Vince>         cd sourcedir find . -depth -print | cpio -pvdum
    Vince> targetdir
    >> Works good, hope this helps
    Vince> Yikes! Glad this works for you, but most of us would never
    Vince> have thought of anything like this. How about cp -R
    Vince> sourcedir targetdir

My brain has this command implanted since 1983 :) If somebody says
copy a directory, my fingers automatically type this command without
me being aware of it
--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: yamanaka@hurricane.seas.ucla.edu (Erick I. Yamanaka)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:31:59 GMT

In <2unehg$q3d@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) writes:

>rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes:
>>I agree, but the issue isn't massive bugs (e.g., IBM's 1522 SCSI drivers
>>which do not work _at all_ in the latest release, even with name-brand
>>Adaptec hardware) of that sort, but rather technical support issues that

>I've heard this several times now and I'm wondering if I'm the
>only person running the 1522 drivers with 2.11 sucessfully.

>Maybe it's because I'm using a 1520 instead of a 1522 (same, but
>w/o floppy controller).  Maybe it's because I'm running it as a
>secondary controller w/o hard drives on it.  Maybe it's FUD.
>I really don't know and I'd kind of like to know if I'm the only one...

I have an Adaptec 1522 as well, and I'm running just fine on 2.11, even with
the prior versions of 2.1 and 2.0.  I'm not getting any trap errors due to
it...

Is he sure it's the Adaptec?  Does it work with other HD's?

        --Erick
-- 
===============================================================================
 Erick Yamanaka         | UCLA School of Engineering and Applied Science
 yamanaka@seas.ucla.edu | Oh Joy!!  OS/2 v2.11!!  Step up to REAL PC Computing!
===============================================================================

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From: cannon@netcom.com (Chris Cannon)
Subject: Re: Youngest linux user
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:40:43 GMT

horne@mhd2.pfc.mit.edu wrote:
: My daughters are 10 and 8.  The 10-year-old uses Emacs to do her school
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^
: papers; they both play nethack (interminably).  Probly doesn't count, though.


  But that's child abuse!!! ;-)
-- 
--
=================
cannon@netcom.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: bof@wg.saar.de (Patrick Schaaf)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 17:01:30 GMT

wgsohne@stone.Princeton.EDU (William Guido Sohne) writes:

>It *sucks*. 

The OS/2 box next room talks TCP to the 3 Linux machines here all the time.
Recently NT (3.5) joined in. Various Windows boxes happily connect to
this mess, running NCSA Mosaic and other TCP clients over SLIP.
All of them speak to the Internet via an ISDN router running KA9Q under DOS.

The TCP for OS/2 cost money. NT has it builtin. The Windows stuff is free,
as is KA9Q.

Please tell me what's wrong with all that.


Patrick

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From: 31khoo@wmich.edu (Beng Teck Here...)
Subject: Difficult Linux Instructions...
Date: 28 Jun 94 16:38:28 EDT

I am a new Linux user and one thing is for sure... it is DIFFICULt and HARD to
get Linux up and running on my PC... there is too much documentation and
stuff to read for the average user. that is in my opinion the biggest obstacle
to Linux becomming more popular.

I have just managed to get it installed and set up a print queue, but i have 3
more obstacle to cover, X, sounds and modem communications... These in itself
are diffcult and the documentation is "all over the place". Is there an easier
way? I got some replies to my queries last time and I really appreciate it,
thanks to those who replied... :) But there must be a better and easier way to
get Linux up and running. I propose a Linux-HOWTO, or a Linux For Dummies kind
of doc that goes through everything, from Distribution to X. I wouldn't mind
writing such a document, but as you can see, i am not even a 2 month old Linux
baby yet!!! :)

But this is what i need right now, simpler instructions (unlike some of those
out there that sometimes assumes the reader knows something they don't) to get
my X, sounds and modem working... The writers have done well, but we need
more... 

I don't know, maybe i'm just frustrated at the amount of information that is
required of me to get Linux running... I just wish there is an easier way...

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From: mrm@vectrex.login.qc.ca (Mr. Mister)
Subject: Minicom Transfer Problems
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 19:05:15 GMT


        I've been having a little problem with Minicom v1.6, the problem
        is that I can't do 'any' transfers with it! It'll say 'timeout'
        as soon as the transfer starts, and abort and it recommends that
        I look in the 'bugs' chapter. Uh, no real help there! Any guru's
        out there? Thanks..

mrm@vectrex.login.qc.ca


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From: slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
Subject: DOOM For X?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 05:39:14 GMT


        When is DOOM for X coming out?  Will it come out
with the advent of DOOM 1.4?

A couple of my friends have the game, and they think it's
best thing since an MLT - Mutton Lettuce and Tomato, you 
know when the mutton is nice and lean...  but I digress. :)

I'd like to get it, but it isn't worth it to me to create
a DOS partition, buy DOS, etc, for DOOM.  I would like to
be able to run it in Linux (YES! - A great game for Linux!!)

I'm working on some utilities for working with the doom wad
and converting sounds and stuff, but I'd like to be able to
get the game to test out on. :)

So folks!  DOOM for X, DOOM for X, DOOM for X! :)

Later,

        -Sam            (slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu)



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From: laird@cauchy.sosc.osshe.edu (Alan Laird)
Subject: dip 3.3.7 uri  ( I can't make it work )
Date: 27 Jun 1994 01:10:06 -0500

Hello,
        I'm trying to make a slip server out of a linux box.  I installed
the current slackware dist and everything seems ok.  I added a dummy
account to be my test slip account.  I added the dummy name to
/etc/diphosts and my fake IP at home.  When I type dip -i, it gives me a
banner and then returns to the shell.  If I run dip -i -v I get;
abraxas:/sbin$ dip -i -v
DIP: Dialup IP Protocol Driver version 3.3.7-uri (05 Apr 94)
Written by Fred N. van Kempen, MicroWalt Corporation.

DIP: name=laird home=/tmp
     host=abraxas.sosc.osshe.edu IP=140.211.97.3
     prot=SLIP MTU=296

and then back to the shell prompt.  There is no entry in /etc/syslog or
messages saying there was a failure.  It seems like I'm not getting the
raw channel.  

Well, I'm at my wit's end.  Any help would be greatly apreciated.

Thanks,

Alan Laird



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Alan Laird                              || "It's easy to see without    ||
nth year Computer Science               ||  looking too far that not    ||
Southern Oregon State College           ||  much is really sacred."     ||
laird@cauchy.sosc.osshe.edu             ||  (like privacy)              ||
                                        ||  CLIPPER.DIE.DIE.DIE         ||
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: rich@kastle.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:35:52 GMT

In article <1994Jun27.211132.12132@ll.mit.edu> cashman@ll.mit.edu (Robert W. Cashman) writes:

>   Well, at my work I bought the TCP/IP add on for OS/2.  I am not
>   sure, but I think it was version 2.0 or something like that.  Well
>   it was a mess!  It did not support Western Digital cards directly.
>   I suppose I could have found a driver somewhere, but for that
>   price!  It should have been there.

Western Digitial Ethernet cards *are* supported by the shipping
version of TCP/IP, and as far as I know, they always have been.  You
just have to understand that Western Digital's line of Ethernet
products was bought by SMC, who continues to support them.  OS/2's WD
support is called SMC support.

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From: ehenry@Newbridge.COM (Ethan Henry)
Subject: Re: ftape and Conner Backup Basics
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 20:26:55 GMT

In article <HALLU.94Jun26013407@boole.info.polymtl.ca>,
Louis-D. Dubeau <hallu@boole.info.polymtl.ca> wrote:
>
>I have read ftape's doc and the HOWTO. Both says that there was a
>formatting problem with CBB version 1.0 for MS-DOG but that the
>Windogs version never had any problem and that the MS-DOG version 1.1
>should work fine.
>
>Well, I tried formating my tape with both CBB version 1.1 for DOS ans
>CBB version 1.2 for Win and ftape wasn't able to use the tape.

Well, according to my experience with my Conner drive/software and
others' reports, CBB for Win is hosed too. 

>I instead used cpbackup (the backup from PCTOOLS v7.something) and it
>did work.
>
>The only difference between the two formats (taken from
>/var/adm/message) is:
>
>CBB:      ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - max-floppy-side:      7.
>cpbackup: ftape-read.c (read_header_segment) - max-floppy-side:      6.
>
>Has anybody got similar problems (and the docs should be fixed), or am
>I alone (and have a "special" version of CBB)?

Nope. But you can recompile Ftape with the -DCONNER_BUG flag which
makes it work fine. :) 

Note that the mt tests in the Ftape doc files don't work. mt is really
only good for rewinding and retensioning I find...

The secret of multiple tar files on one tape is to use /dev/nrft, the
non-rewinding tape device. To skip past tars you don't want when
restoring, just use tar tf /dev/nrst0 and you'll skip past the
unwanted tar files by just looking at their table of contents.

Also, get Ftape 1.12, which I believe is the latest version.

Ethan


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