Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #327
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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Date:     Tue, 28 Jun 94 09:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #327, Volume #2                Tue, 28 Jun 94 09:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: term114 ... help!!! (Tim Cutts)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Tim Cutts)
  Re: VP/ix for Linux? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Tim Cutts)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (Bernard James Leach)
  Re: [Q] Programing-HOWTO & Guide ??? (Bernard James Leach)
  Re: Install woes (Andreas Helke)
  Re: Screen Capture/Grabber for X? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Can't Get B: Floppy to work but A: OK. (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (Beverly J. Brown)
  Doom for Linux? (Beverly J. Brown)
  [Q] Programing-HOWTO & Guide ??? (Dean Domikulic)
  test (Peter O Orondo)
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: S3 Support - A bit lacking? (Paul Stoffregen)
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Kevin Lentin)
  What CD-Rom distribution did you use?  Did you like it? (Rusty Carruth)

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: term114 ... help!!!
Date: 28 Jun 1994 11:24:53 GMT

I had this problem with term to a Sun machine and eventually discovered it
was merely because I was trying to connect too fast.  Suns have crap serial
hardware, and in my case I was opening a connection to an X25 PAD at 38,400
and then from there to the sun.  However at anything over 9,600 the Sun drops
characters very frequently on data Linux -> Sun (the other direction works
fine at the higher speeds). Just drop your speed real low until you're sure it
works, and then increase it (I set my termrc up originally at 1200, and raised
the speed once it was working).  Don't rely on term's 'baud rate' in a setup
like mine - the PAD just saves up the charaters and then blasts them at full
speed at the Sun, which gives up.  Term gets into an endless loop of corrupted
packet retries (which is what all the timeouts you're seeing are).

Tim.

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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 28 Jun 1994 11:29:54 GMT

habaoch@eng.auburn.edu (Bao Chau Ha) writes:

>In article <1994Jun27.103234.7770@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> u2105546@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Richard Laxton) writes:
>>I have also been using UNIX for years and Linux for about 4 months, and I must
>>say that I am very impressed with its stability and speed. However, despite
>>everything, there are things that I miss from Linux. First and foremost is
>>the Workplace Shell. This kicks the arse of any similar product that I have
>>ever seen. It is powerful, easy to use, and in my experience quite stable.
>>
>X-windows?  The default fvwm in Slackware distribution is a good
>one, comparable to the WPS.  You can start up xdm so you don't
>have to deal with CLI.

Bwa-haha!  How can you compare fvwm with WPS?  You can compare fvwm with
OS/2 Presentation manager itself, since PM provides thewindow manager,
but fvwm has none of the features of WPS.  Don't confuse WPS with Presentation
Manager.

OpenLook has more of the features you'd associate with WPS, such as
drag-and-drop, and would be a fairer comparison.

Tim.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: VP/ix for Linux?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 07:23:46 GMT

In <jmaclean.160.00157C9E@fox.nstn.ns.ca> jmaclean@fox.nstn.ns.ca (James B. MacLean) writes:

>In article <DMW.94Jun27101434@prism1.prism1.com> dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright) writes:
>>From: dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright)
>>Subject: Re: VP/ix for Linux?
>>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 14:14:34 GMT

>>>>>>> "JBM" == James B MacLean <jmaclean@fox.nstn.ns.ca> writes:

>>  JBM> Since I have never used anything other than DOSEMU :-(, what are these 
>>  JBM> features that DOSEMU should put on it's wanted list?

>>        Other than the DPMI I wouldn't say it is any one feature, but rather
>>the level of "polish" on the package. There ARE things that I don't think
>>that DOSEMU can do that VP/IX does, however:

>Great, the kinda feedback that one learns form :-)

>>        1) Ability to grab & release floppy disks "on the fly".

>Well, if you mean you can switch floppies as in real DOS, sure, it's been 
>there since Robert :-). 

In fact, in VP/ix you can give up the floppy disk so that someone else
can use it in his VP/ix or directly under UNIX.  I believe we (dosemu) are
not locking floppies at all, which can be dangerous but avoids the problem :-)

>>        2) Ability to grab & release serial ports "on the fly".

>Thanks to Markkk, we are that close to not stealing COM ports until they are 
>first used, in time this could be made so.

>>        3) No problems with multiple people on the same machine running the
>>           emulator at the same time. (Is this a problem with DOSEMU? I never
>>           used it except on my own machine)

>Mutliple DOSEMU's certainly can be run, the only problem is their vast uses 
>of memory(resources)

At the time I last saw VP/ix, it was much worse in this respect than dosemu
is now.  VP/ix allocated its base memory in some 'nonswappable' mode, so that
if you had 4MB RAM (we had this at the time), starting 2 or 3 VP/ix sessions
would grind the system to a halt without even doing something.

This could be improved by now, but I doubt it is better than with dosemu.


>>        4) Pop-up window for managing all of the above.

>This would be a big PLUS to be added to DOSEMU, and aggreed this would be a 
>bonous feature to have for all those things that the emulator is taken down 
>for, or just to adjust stats o nthe fly :-) It has been discussed for the 
>upcoming client/server version.

>>        5) Ability to use DOS device drivers for custom hardware directly.

>Good one. Not yet. Some day though :-) One big obstacle at this point for 
>many drivers is DMA access.

You would need to control the DMA controller in a similar way as is done
for virtual COM ports.


Rob
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From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim Cutts)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 28 Jun 1994 11:43:50 GMT

cmiller@golden.ncw.net (Craig A. Miller) writes:


>Anyway... Give Unix (Linux) a whirl.  It is really quite intuitive once you learn what 
>the commands mean.

Oh God, you crack me up.  Go look 'intuitive' up in a dictionary.  The whole 
point about something being intuitive is that you *don't* have to learn what
everything means before you use it.  Sheesh.

Tim. 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
From: leachbj@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Bernard James Leach)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:38:39 GMT

Well darned if I can help myself!

QeyS (mgursk1@umbc.edu) wrote:
: -------------------------------------
: Before anything else is read, let me say I own, run, and love OS/2,
: and as soon as I get more disk space, a Linux partition goes on.
: -------------------------------------

: |>Yeah right. OS/2 and TCP/IP for OS/2 are the best products on the market. 
: |>Maybe if you consider the OS/2 market only. Like I said before, for 
: |>TCP/IP networking Linux is better than OS/2. Spend a few dollars on the 
: |>best product ? Excuse me, but the best product is FREE.

: Different strokes for different folks.  How many businesses use Linux?

Dont know really, I'm sure someone can tell you though.

But then how many businesses run Windows - a lot - how many of them
sit 80% idle running AfterDark - a lot.

-- 
Bernard Leach - LaTrobe Uni Melb Australia
cscbl@lux.latrobe.edu.au


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Subject: Re: [Q] Programing-HOWTO & Guide ???
From: leachbj@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Bernard James Leach)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:59:24 GMT

Matt Welsh (mdw@cs.cornell.edu) wrote:
: In article <2un34d$pnl@nippur.irb.hr> domikuli@cromath.math.hr (Dean Domikulic) writes:
: >I think that Linux is a very good (and cheap) platform for writing all
: >kinds of software. But since there is a lot of questions on this pages 
: >about geting started in programing with Motif or tcl or Smalltalk I
: >think that it would be worthwhile to make efforts and write some
: >documnet like 
: >
: >             Programing-HOWTO

: There's not much that differs from other UNIX systems when 
: programming Linux. I would like to see a Programming HOWTO, at
: somepoint, which concentrates on Linux-specific issues at the
: system call level; e.g., use of various defines for POSIX
: behaviour, particular's of Linux's tty, signal handling, and
: so forth. Even if everything is 100% POSIX.1 compliant (is it?) 
: this would be a nice thing to have.

: >     - a list of all development tools avaliable for Linux,
: >       both commercial packages like Motif libs. and tools,
: >       and free software like tcl,Smalltalk ...

: This would be good fodder for such a HOWTO.

: >This HOWTO could be made also like 
: >     
: >     Linux Programming Guide
: >
: >and be a part of Linux Documentation Project.

: The LDP has considered doing a Programming Guide; all we need 
: is someone to step forward to write it. It should probably concentrate
: on programming at the system call level, in C, but chapters on other
: languages and programming tools would make sense as well.

This would be a fine idea.  I think I would be able to contribute
to this kind of a document.  But where to start!

bernard.

-- 
Bernard Leach - LaTrobe Uni Melb Australia
cscbl@lux.latrobe.edu.au


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From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Install woes
Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:40:03 GMT

Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) wrote:
: Thomas  Fletcher (tfletche@uglz.UVic.CA), quoted out of context, wrote:
: > Allright folks,

: >   Got up this morn, all ready and raring to go to put Linux 
: > Slackware 1.2.0 (I beleive those are the right #'s) and I set
: > about the install.  I have a 486dx with 4 megs of RAM and a 
: > 204 meg HD partitioned into 3 drives C,D,E. I want to install
: > only a basic Linux system right now so I am want to only use
: > my E partition which has approx 70 megs of space on it.  Plenty
: > of room for just a bare bones system right now (or so I am told).

: First, you have only 4M, so a swap partition is absolutely required.
: Setting up a swap partition can be tricky when you don't already have
: Linux running.

: Backup your D: drive, and try this:
:       mkswap /dev/hda2 4096
:       swapon -v /dev/hda2

Linux is will accept a msdos partion as swap partition with no problems.
I use this setup to share swap space between linux and MS-Windows. Simply
create the swap partition with the msdos fdisk and enable it in the rc
startup scripts or the root prompt of your installation floppy.

Andreas
--

Andreas Helke

Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg
Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 
69122 Heidelberg

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Screen Capture/Grabber for X?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:49:31 GMT

In <tcsmith.52.0012002A@csi.nb.ca> tcsmith@csi.nb.ca (Tim Smith) writes:

>Hello All,

>Does anyone know where I could find a Screen Capture program for X?

XV can do that...

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Can't Get B: Floppy to work but A: OK.
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:56:13 GMT

In <2uldi3$mpp@tekadm1.cse.tek.com> alanr@lacamas.pen.tek.com (Alan Rovner) writes:

>Hi folks, can anyone help get my B: floppy working?  Or is it /dev/fd1?
>I've been a DOS user too long :-).  I can properly mount and access my
>/dev/fd0 drive just fine, no problems.  My /dev/fd1 gives me these error
>messages:

>floppy I/O error
>dev 0201, sector 0
>floppy I/O error
>dev 0201, sector 0
>MSDOS bread failed
>mount: wrong fs type, /dev/fd1 already mounted, /mnt busy or other error

>My setup is:
>       * Running Yggdrasil Summer '94 kernel
>       * /dev/fd0 is a Teac 1.2 MB unit
>       * /dev/fd1 is a Teac 1.44 MB unit
>       * Also attached in the floppy cable is a Irwin Accutrak 250 Tape.

First find out if it is detected by the kernel.  Something like:

        Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M, fd1 is 1.2M

In the boot messages.

>I tried disconnecting the tape drive, and that made no difference.  One
>thing that interesting (if it matters) is /dev/fd0 shows up with a June 17
>date, while /dev/fd1 shows up with a July 21, 1993 date?  Don't know what
>that's all about.

That is only the date/time when the device node was created in /dev.
It has no significance to this problem.

Make sure your entries look like this:

brw-rw-rw-   1 root     root       2,   0 Mar 19 10:15 /dev/fd0
brw-rw-rw-   1 root     root       2,   1 Mar 19 10:15 /dev/fd1
 ^^^^^^^^^
 permissions field may look different when you are security-aware.

Rob
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From: bjb@shore.net (Beverly J. Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 00:49:26 -0400
Reply-To: bjb@shore.net

In article <1994Jun24.093231.6984@muvms6>,
copley1@muvms6.wvnet.edu (Ronald Copley) wrote:
> In article <uUB1kukh1K09066yn@shore.net>, bjb@shore.net (Beverly J. Brown) writes:
> > In article <merlyn.771807115@winternet.com>, Doug McIntyre wrote:
> >> stroutl@polaris.nova.edu (Leeman Strout) writes:
> >> >Okey... Well... dad says he wants to see if he can by a Sparc 5 without 
> >> >the Solaris 2.x license.  He wants to run Linux on it.  Can he do that?  
> >> >Will it work?  How hard would it be to make it work?
> >> 
> >> No, Linux isn't ported to the Sparc. But why would you? Solaris (V1.1B) is 
> >> much more stable, and Linux is trying to copy alot of it. By owning
> > 
> > Solaris and stable do not belong in the same sentence without a NOT in 
> > between! And GOD! PLEASE tell me Linux is NOT copying such a piece of crap!
> > I haven't had much opportunity to put it to much of a test, but if it's as 
> > stable as Solaris, I'll delete it from my machine! From all I'[ve heard from 
> > others, Linux is MORE stable than Solaris. 
> 
> By Solaris 1.1, he means SunOS 4.1.3, which is quite stable and a pleasure to
> use.
> 

I agree. SunOS 4.1.3 is stable. I just wasn't used to referring to it as 
Solaris. When my Sparc boots up it says SunOS 4.1.3, not Solaris. My 
experience with Solaris (the name) has been the 2.X variety,  
which I don't think many (if any) will claim is the least bit stable.
It's a shame Sun felt it necessary to abandon a good, stable OS in exchange 
for the SVR4 thing that so many people seem to want until they try to run it.

Beverly J. Brown
bjb@shore.net
beverly@datacube.com

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From: bjb@shore.net (Beverly J. Brown)
Subject: Doom for Linux?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 00:49:28 -0400
Reply-To: bjb@shore.net


I heard that there is a version of DOOM that runs under Linux. Where can I 
find it?

Beverly J. Brown
bjb@shore.net
beverly@datacube.com

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From: domikuli@cromath.math.hr (Dean Domikulic)
Subject: [Q] Programing-HOWTO & Guide ???
Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:43:41 GMT


Hi Linuxers!

I think that Linux is a very good (and cheap) platform for writing all
kinds of software. But since there is a lot of questions on this pages 
about geting started in programing with Motif or tcl or Smalltalk I
think that it would be worthwhile to make efforts and write some
documnet like 

                Programing-HOWTO

This document should have:

        - a list of all development tools avaliable for Linux,
          both commercial packages like Motif libs. and tools,
          and free software like tcl,Smalltalk ...
        - for every language or package should be a breaf information
          on where you can get it, what is it for and some small introduction
        - most popular languages and tools should be described much more
          along with some advices on new object oriented languages like 
          Eifel, CooL then some OOMURDBMS-s like LINCKS or OBST, object 
          standards like CORBA and so on.
        - a pointers to informations about every package

This HOWTO could be made also like 
        
        Linux Programming Guide

and be a part of Linux Documentation Project.
 
I think that this would be very usefull for Linux programers and for Linux
community too.

Thanks for answering

domikuli@math.hr
        

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From: orondo@cyways.com (Peter O Orondo)
Subject: test
Date: 28 Jun 1994 12:42:00 GMT

test please ignore

orondo@cyways.com       info@cyways.com

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:40:44 GMT

In article <1994Jun28.010920.5169@manwe.fmsoft.com>, shaw@manwe.fmsoft.com (Greg Shaw) says:
+---------------
| Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
| : In article <2ufhj0$r99@galaxy.ucr.edu>, rhyde@cuda.ucr.EDU (randy hyde) says:
| : | such companies are ready targets for leaner, meaner, more speculative 
| : | companies willing to take a calculated risk and thus reap the rewards 
| 
| : No, they won't.  They do what Microsoft, etc. do:  wait for the speculator
| : to create the market, then invade in force and drive the speculator out of
| 
| Which is why Microsoft is having to rip out disk compression from DOS,
| correct?  These sorts of practices are predatory, and can backfire badly.
+------------->8

True, but for Microsoft that's one backfire out of how many attempts?  They
find the risk of being caught to be justified by the profit when they aren't.
(That doesn't mean I approve...)  Most of their targets don't have the money
to fight back --- and Stac, rather unfortunately, only succeeded because of
software patents :-(

I also slighted IBM somewhat; they *do* fund smaller companies by means of
partial ownership with an option on greater ownership if they take off (Locus
is, I believe, one example).  This spreads the risk a bit.  It's certainly a
healthier model than Microsoft's...

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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From: paul@holmes.ece.orst.edu (Paul Stoffregen)
Subject: Re: S3 Support - A bit lacking?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 09:08:50 GMT

>: You haven't read Videomodes.doc
>
>Sounds like a good doc to read.  Where do I find it?  I just did a
>
>                       ll -R / | grep Videomodes
>
>and got nothing.  If you would just point us less privileged in the right
>direction maybe we could help outselves out...

If you installed Slackware (or standard Xfree packages) then the
file in question ought to be on your system in

/var/X11/lib/X11/etc or /usr/X11/lib/X11/etc named VideoModes.doc

Note that the 'M' is in caps.  If you use the -i flag with grep,
it'll ignore the case of letters... usually a good idea, but not
the default. 

There's also a copy of this file sitting around on sunsite somewhere.


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From: kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 12:05:44 GMT

Bruce Haggerty (haggerty@acf2.nyu.edu) wrote:

> >And finding out passwords, eh?  I don't mean just login, but PGP, for
> >instance.  I sure wouldn't appreciate my SysAdmin doing that to me.

root doesn't need your passwords. Although, if root discovers your
password, that may affect the security of other accounts that you access.
Of course, using the same password everywhere invites such risks.

> Hmm...at the risk of starting a policy discussion...

> There are times that such "snooping" is necessary.  The example that
> Dan Foster gave above, of seeing what an intruder is doing, is a perfect
> example.

> My responsibility to protect the *legitimate* users not only doesn't
> extend to a (would be) system cracker, but demands me to take whatever
> action is needed to prevent him from doing further damage.  I would never
> go through a users $HOME, but if that user attemps to compromise the
> system, you can bet I'll see what's in the file ~cracker/hack.sh!

I am part of a group which runs a general access machine for students at
Monash University, here in Melbourne. Part of our user agreement (which all
users sign) states that we have the right to monitor activities if a breach
of the agreement is suspected. Those breaches include any illegal
activities, even net abuse

In this way we get around the moral and possibly legal issues
involved by getting initial consent. On the other hand, we don't go around
looking.

If you do things right, observing users  in the right situation is not a
problem. How to do it is another question. 

[And since disclaimers seem to be the go in this thread - the above
represents the policies of the General Access Unix Group (GAUNIX) at Monash
University, adminsitering yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au. It does not represent
views/rules or actions of the Computer Centre or the University. Blah Blah
Blah.]
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From: rusty@indirect.com (Rusty Carruth)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux
Subject: What CD-Rom distribution did you use?  Did you like it?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:51:48 GMT

Well, I've been out of the linux flow for a while, and now suddenly our 
company decides to use Linux to run a DNS for the internet, and I am
asked to find a good CD-ROM version to buy.

So, I figured I'd do two things - first, answer the selfish motive, and
second take a count of cdrom users and their success/fail rate.

Thus, this mini-survey.  If you have purchased a Linux cdrom anytime in 
the recent past (you decide what recent is, but no more than 2 years old!),
then I'd like to hear from you.

I will "summarize" (in other words, quote unmodified ;-) any 
(appropriate) comments I get, and I will tally the multiple-guess 
responses and report the totals.

(I'd also like to hear from all cdrom vendors, just in case some
manage to not get represented!  Thanks!)

Here's the questions.

1. What is the CD-Rom vendor, and the version of the cdrom?

2. What version(s) of Linux did it have?  Source included?

3. How hard was it to install?
    a - trivial
    b - easy
    c - non-trivial, but not quite "not for the faint of heart"
    d - pretty tough  ("not for the faint of heart")
    e - guru's only need apply.

4. How complete was it in your opinion
   a - 100%  - I'll only need ftp sites for updates!
   b - I only needed a minor trip or two to FTP or News for 
           help/programs/data
   c - I had to look around outside the material provided with/on the
           CDrom to be able to finish the job.
   d - incomplete enough to be pretty much useless

5. Would you buy that cdrom again, were you to be starting over?
   a - yes!
   b - probably
   c - probably not
   d - no way.

6. are you associated with the cdrom vendor in any way?

7. Does the vendor provide support?  What kind (phone, email, etc)?

8. Did you require support?  How much?

9. If you required support provided by the vendor, was the support:
    a - adequate
    b - inadequate

10. In your opinion, were the support people knowledgeable?

11. Any other notable software included?  What?

12. Any comments you wish to share with fellow netters (the following
will be "summarized" in typical net fasion - i.e. unless you tell me 
otherwise, I'll quote it pretty much verbatim and attribute it to
you):


PLEASE!!!!! Email only!!! I **will*** miss posted responses!

Thanks.  And I *will* summarize as soon as the responses seem to
have died down (and I may give a partial summary partly through
my datagathering, also.   Since this is anything BUT a scientific
survey, I doubt that partial summaries will damage the scientific
value of the survey any at all ;-)

rusty@indirect.com
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           Coming SOON (supposedly before Aug 31): rusty@acoustic.com
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