Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #326
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Tue, 28 Jun 94 07:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #326, Volume #2                Tue, 28 Jun 94 07:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING ! (Robert Wolf)
  Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows (Mike Jagdis)
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Dan Foster)
  DigiBoard,BocaBoard: work w linux? (Mark Metson)
  Re: X resources (was Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?) (David Barr)
  Linux talk with other machines (Jun Tian)
  any reason _not_ to get an Adaptec 1542? (Paul Fox)
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (Tim Smith)
  X resources (was Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?) (David Barr)
  Slackware 2.0 + umsdos + 386/20Mhz/4Meg (Dr. Jacques Gelinas)
  Re: commercial software available (Sebastian W. Bunka)
  Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ? (Michael Condict)
  Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ? (Dan Pop)
  Re: FORTRAN on Linux (Dan Pop)
  SCO and Linux (J.J. Paijmans)
  Philips CM225 possibel to use ? (Jonas Svensson)
  Re: SLIP sessions HANGING (James Ivey)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Alex Ramos)
  Re: Install woes (Alex Ramos)

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From: acc-corp@tigger.jvnc.net (Robert Wolf)
Subject: Re: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING !
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 22:59:24 GMT


>They overstepped their bounds when they posted instead of emailing the
>person requesting information. Are there not certain usenet classifications
>(.biz??) in which these people could post this information? If so perhaps
>they should start biz.linux.cd.reseller.
>

Now here is a good idea.  

It should be called comp.os.linux.commercial

Anyone know how to go about implementing such a thing?


Bob.



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From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 23:27:00 +0000

Hj> Everyone is talking about Wordperfect for X-Windows, but
Hj> when I went to the
Hj> site all Icould not find anything for Linux (the closest was
Hj> for SCO)

That's right. Get the SCO demo. Then go to tsx-11.mit.edu and get the latest 
iBCS emulator from /pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2 so you can run it...

                                Mike  
 

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From: dsfoster@marlin.ssnet.com (Dan Foster)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 00:13:10 -0400

The original poster has a valid point there - this really helps for software
support, as well as seeing what an intruder is doing to hack around the
system or if he/she's planting any kind of bombs... rare, but it has happened
where I used to work, a large VMS and Ultrix site.

Under VMS, this kind of thing was implemented by telling the kernel to
send data to two different virtual terminals at once... maybe this could
be implemented as either some kind of kernel hack/mod or pty (pseudo-terminal
) code running at kernel level? Of course, under VMS, anything that used
kernel mode code always had a chance to crash the system...

-Dan
Internet:       dsfoster@ssnet.com


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From: gpurdy@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mark Metson)
Subject: DigiBoard,BocaBoard: work w linux?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 22:24:51 -0300
Reply-To: gpurdy@fox.nstn.ns.ca

One of the machines I am to convert to linux has a DigiBoard 8-port board.
I seem to have some reason for thinking it wont work with linux but cannot
find any specific "it will not work" listing. But it has a 80186 on it and
the docs seem to be saying that most 'smart' cards arent going to work
because the makers dont let us disclose the programming info. The Serial-
HOWTO says intelligent boards arent likely to become supported. But it also
says any board that has contiguously-addressed chips of certain types is OK.
Perhaps the DigiBoard falls into such a category andf could be used that
way without invoking its 'inteligence' ?

My dealer is suggesting a BocaBoard 8-port card; claims its 'the' board for
Unix, that if Linux DOESNT support it, that would be a real problem for
Linux inasmucxh as MANY people use them. Boca 8-port card is listed in the
Serial-HOWTO; are there multiple versions or would the one offered pretty
much have to coincide with the one listed as working? (ie there arent umpteen
versions some of which dont work are there?)

Blessed Be. -MarkM-

--
Mark Metson              How many mystics does it take to bring Peace on Earth?
gpurdy@fox.nstn.ns.ca    Only one - but each one has to do it for themself.....
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From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: X resources (was Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?)
Date: 27 Jun 1994 16:11:26 -0400

In article <1994Jun27.181307.1902@cu23.crl.aecl.ca>,
Glen Reesor <glenr@cu74.crl.aecl.ca> wrote:
>I challenge you to find a fresh UNIX/X-windows user to figure this out in 1 day. 

I wouldn't challenge a new UNIX/X windows user to understand man pages --
that's not the issue here.  The issue is that the accusation was made
that the X resource mechanism wasn't documented.  This was shown to
be patently false.  It's documented not only in the man page for the
X application aforementioned (see subject line), but the man page for
the X window system.

This is not the place to debate man pages.  We all know that they are
an incomplete solution, and cater to the minority.  However, they _are_
a source of fairly complete documentation as was demonstrated here.

>>Funny, it's all explained in one 21 page X(1) manual.
>                                  ^^
>21 pages so you can set some fonts and colors???  I hope you forgot a 
>smiley off this one!

X is more than fonts and colors.

--Dave
-- 
"WAIS is the Pinto of the Information Superhighway" - me

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From: juntian@owlnet.rice.edu (Jun Tian)
Subject: Linux talk with other machines
Date: 27 Jun 1994 19:52:43 GMT

Dear Linux users,
I am using Slackware 1.2.0 via SLIP to connected to Internet. Now there is a
trouble using the talking command with other machines. I can receive other
machines' talk request. When send it back, it either check the invitation of
caller's machine, or can't find the talk daemon of that machine. Telnet,
rlogin, ftp, mail are all working well except talk. Could anyone help me or
give me some informtion where I should look at to slove this problem?
Thanks in advance!
Jun
-- 
    ^-^
   (O O)
   ( v )    ~{11IODOOBHNNRPP~}
----m-m-----------------------------
            ~{Ll>}~} 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^           

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From: pgf@cayman.com (Paul Fox)
Subject: any reason _not_ to get an Adaptec 1542?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 19:33:04 GMT


hi -- i'm finally in the market for SCSI for my linux box.  i've found
(i think) a cheap barely used Adaptec 1542C that i was thinking about
buying.  questions:
        1) what makes it a 'C'?  what are the differences between the
                various Adaptec controllers?
        2) i have a vesa localbus system.  is it worth it to get a vlb
                scsi adapter?
        3) what else should i know that i obviously don't?  :-)

if you email your reply, please use the address below...  the other will
probably work, but not for long, and you'll just get a bounce and be
annoyed with me.  :-)

paul

--
=====================
    paul fox pgf@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma)


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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: 28 Jun 1994 06:01:56 GMT

Greg Shaw <shaw@manwe.fmsoft.com> wrote:
>Which is why Microsoft is having to rip out disk compression from DOS,
>correct?  These sorts of practices are predatory, and can backfire badly.

Microsoft isn't ripping disk compression out of DOS.

--Tim Smith

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From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: X resources (was Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?)
Date: 27 Jun 1994 13:08:41 -0400

In article <2umkma$c7l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Anthony J. Stuckey <stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
[setting colors via command line, then someone says to just use X resources. ]
>       I have certainly never seen any user's guide which will, even vaguely,
>tell you what resources each program listens to, what possible values there
>are, and/or what to do about setting/changing them.

First you read the (gasp) man page to xterm.

Gosh, there's resources listed in there!  It tells what each resource
does, and what values you can set it to.

In the "See Also", there's a reference to X(1).  Read X(1)

Under X(1), under the RESOURCES section it tells you what resources
are and their syntax and (another gasp) how to set them.

RTFM.

>       You can configure anything in X, but it takes 7-600 page books, 4
>years+ of a University Education, and 18K man-hours in a dark room to
>figure out where.

Funny, it's all explained in one 21 page X(1) manual.

--Dave
-- 
"Opera is when a guy gets stabbed in the back and instead of bleeding
he sings." - Ed Gardner

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From: gelinas@VAX1.cmr.ca (Dr. Jacques Gelinas)
Subject: Slackware 2.0 + umsdos + 386/20Mhz/4Meg
Date: 28 Jun 1994 04:51:31 -0400
Reply-To: gelinas@VAX1.cmr.ca (Dr. Jacques Gelinas)

I have installed without any difficulty Linux 1.0.9 on a small machine:
a 1990, 20 mhz 386 with 4 megs of RAM and two disks of 40 megs each.
The first disk is used for Windows 3.1 and a Banyan Vines network,
while the second one was empty... a temptation difficult to resist.

Ten diskettes were needed for installation, 2 5.25" and 8 3.5":

 1) The bare kernel for 1.2 meg drives, booted with the drive2 option
    allowing the use of the second diskette drive for the sources.
 2) The umsdos rootdisk for 1.44 meg drives
 3-5) The base package a1-a3
 6-8) The network package n1-n3
 9) The u1 disk from Slackware 2.0 containing fixes for umsdos
10) The blank 5.25" disk needed to boot after installation.

The installation program (setup) created a 4 meg swapfile (2 megs are
enough) on the DOS disk and finished by configuring the network with
success. After the manpages were deleted, 15 megs of the disk were used,
including the swapfile. The manpages, info files, and some binaries
could be used from a nfs partition on a server running SCO bzwix.

Performance would be acceptable for a beginner learning linux.
However the FAT file system slows things down a bit, since a DOS
file is used as a swap partition. Also it is clear that the
default kernel is too big for this machine and must be trimmed down,
freeing memory.

I had succeded twice in installing umsdos on this kind of hardware,
but at the price of hacking the rootdisk. This is no longer needed.

Sigh... the young generation will have it easy with Slackware 2.0.0!


Note: The only thing i have in common with the author of umsdos
      is a name.

-- 
Jacques Ge'linas, Ph.D., Maths,           INTERNET: gelinas@cmr.ca
Colle`ge Militaire Royal de Saint-Jean,
Que'bec, Canada, J0J 1R0.

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From: seb@i102pc1.vu-wien.ac.at (Sebastian W. Bunka)
Subject: Re: commercial software available
Date: 28 Jun 1994 09:35:22 GMT
Reply-To: Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at

: >: 3. a CAD system (shareware, i forgott the name)
: >       ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^ ^
: >You mean SISCAD-P (available at sunsite & mirrors); It's some kind
: >of professional 2-D CAD from a German company (all texts in german!)
: >But it's not shareware; if you use it in buisiness you'll have to buy
: >it (Its also available (buyable) for *other* UN*XES.

: Isn't that the definition of shareware? You get it for free, and if you
: decide to keep it and use it you are supposed to pay for it?
Gee, You ARE right - I thought it was free for private users (thats
different from shareware, but i was wrong!
In the lsm file it's stated...
ftp.univie.ac.at:/systems/linux/sunsite/X11/xapps/graphics/draw/siscadp1.3-3

                      [ Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at ]
Location: earth, europe, austria, vienna  Inst. of Bacteriology  Vet.Univ.

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From: condict@next19.osf.org (Michael Condict)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 15:45:32 GMT

In article <2u7q64$aj9@saigon.com> twc@szebra.Saigon.COM (Ted Chan)  
writes:
> Terry Lambert (terry@cs.weber.edu) wrote:
> : In article <2tl4b0$3e0@rand.org> edhall@nntp.rand.org (Ed Hall)  
writes:
> : ] :         5) What kind of system/motherboard are you using
> : ] 
> : ]     Nice SuperEISA ver.1
> 
> : It is (or should be) well known that NiCE EISA motherboards do not
> : support bus mastering DMAs in excess of 16M, just like ISA chip sets.
> 
> Ahem, NICE makes at least two lines of EISA boards.  One is HiNT based
> and the other is SiS based.  The latter board does support bus mastering
> DMA in excess of 16M.
> 
> As it happens, the SuperEISA Rev 1 board is one of those nice (no pun
> intended) SiS EISA chipset based boards that you recommend in your post.
> So the problems probably lies elsewhere...
> 
> --twc

Double ahem.  I have the NICE Mini-EISA motherboard running with an
Adaptec 1740 bus-mastering DMA SCSI controller, and *20* MB of memory,
without using a bounce buffer.  The NICE Mini-EISA motherboard uses
the Hint chip-set, but in "Pragmatic EISA" mode, not "Super ISA" mode.
The difference between the two is that Pragmatic EISA supports DMA to
any 32-bit address.  (Neither one supports level-triggered interrupts.)

An excerpt about this, from the PC Hardware FAQ (available at rtfm.mit.edu
in /pub/usenet/news.answers/pc-hardware-faq), is attached below.

--
Michael Condict                 condict@osf.org
OSF Research Inst.              (617) 621-7349
1 Cambridge Center
Cambridge, MA 02142

==========================================================================
Q) 2.33  What disadvantages are there to the HiNT EISA chip set?

[From: ralf@wpi.wpi.edu (Ralph Valentino)]

The HiNT Caesar Chip Set (CS8001 & CS8002) can come in three different
configurations.  All three of these configurations have EISA style
connectors and are (sometimes incorrectly) sold as EISA motherboards.
The differences should be carefully noted, though.

The rarest of these configuration uses a combination of the first HiNT
chip (CS8001) and the Intel chip set.  This configuration can support
the full EISA functionality: 32 address bits, 32 data bits, level
sensitive (sharable) interrupts, full EISA DMA, watch dog (sanity)
timer, and so forth.

The second configuration is called Super-ISA, which uses both of the
HiNT chips.  This configuration is very common in low-end models.  It
supports a very limited functionality: 24 address bits, 32 data bits,
edge triggered (non-sharable) interrupts, ISA (16 data, 24 address)
DMA, and no watch dog timer.  Some EISA boards, such as the Adaptec
1742A EISA Fast SCSI-2 host adapter, can be configured to work in this
mode by hacking their EISA configuration file (.CFG) to turn off these
features.  Other EISA cards require these features and are therefore
unusable in these systems.

The final configuration is called Pragmatic EISA, or P-EISA.  Like
Super-ISA, both HiNT chips are used but external support logic
(buffers and such) are added to provide a somewhat increased
functionality: 32 address bits, 32 data bits, edge triggered
(non-sharable) interrupts, ISA (16 data, 24 address) DMA, and no watch
dog timer.  The full 32 bits for address and data allow bus mastering
devices access to the complete range of main memory.  As with
Super-ISA, there may be incompatibilities with some EISA cards.



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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help
From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 17:01:04 GMT

In <2umkma$c7l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony J. Stuckey) writes:

>       I have certainly never seen any user's guide which will, even vaguely,
>tell you what resources each program listens to, what possible values there
>are, and/or what to do about setting/changing them.
>
>       You can configure anything in X, but it takes 7-600 page books, 4
>years+ of a University Education, and 18K man-hours in a dark room to
>figure out where.
>
>       Why is there no advertised, obvious way to do this?

Because there is :-)

man X
man xterm

Requirements:

- Understanding the English language.
- Basic Unix skills.

I think that a high school user can fulfill these requirements.

Dan
--
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: FORTRAN on Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 17:08:54 GMT

In <1994Jun27.142541.16927@ktibv.uucp> rdb@ktibv.uucp (The Graphical Gnome) writes:

>My question is:
>
>Is there a FORTRAN compiler for LINUX.
>
>I prefer a GNU compiler, but iif not available everything handing F77
>and F90x will be ok.
>
F90: no chance in the next few years for a free compiler.
g77: finger -l fortran@gate.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Available: f2c, an F77 to C converter, that can be used until g77 is
ready.

Dan
--
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
Subject: SCO and Linux
Date: 28 Jun 1994 09:23:38 GMT

Every once in a while I hear references to the fact that SCO binaries
and/or the SCO filesystem can be read/executed under Linux, but
I can't find no clues in FAQ's or HOWTO's.
As I have a complete SCO sitting somewhere on a pile of disks, my
interest is not purely academic.
Anybody any idea?
Paai.

-- 
Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of
gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het
oorspronkelijk is geplaatst.  Nothing of the above may be cited
outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted.

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From: jonass@lysator.liu.se (Jonas Svensson)
Subject: Philips CM225 possibel to use ?
Date: 28 Jun 1994 09:45:21 GMT

Is it possible to use an Philips CM225 CD-ROM with linux ?
Its an external unit, probably the same as the internal CM205.
It is supposed to be a quite regular IDE interface, maybe it is
compatble to something ?
Prefer answer my email. (jonass@lysator.liu.se)

/Jonas


--
__/// I need a 486... |  jonass@lysator.liu.se  | 2:204/404.8 @ Fidonet |
\\X/ to play games on |                         |    jonass@augs.se     |
======================+     Jonas Svensson      +=======================+

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From: jive@indirect.com (James Ivey)
Subject: Re: SLIP sessions HANGING
Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:11:57 GMT

Stefan Wikstrom <ehsstwi@ceres22.ericsson.se> wrote:
>bill@bhhome.ci.net (Bill Heiser) writes:
>
>>modem at the other end is a Microcom ES 28.8.  I have recently started
>>having troubles with the SLIP session HANGING.  The carrier doesn't 
>>drop, but individual sessions using the SLIP session hang.  Most 
>>susceptible seems to be INBOUND TELNET.  I'll be in the middle of 
>>typing something or receiving a screen of text, and it will just 
>>stop, "never" to continue.  The other day I also experienced this type 
>>of thing during a download of an 800kb file using Mosaic.
>
>I have the same problem, and apparantly several others as well. I asked 
>about this problem for a month ago or so but never got any replies,
>except for others who had the same problem and also wanted to find
>a solution.

     I've always had this problem, even in pre 1.0.  It seems to be 
vaguely related to sudden burts of large amounts of data, but I haven't 
been able to reliably produce/diagnose it.  I've tried just about every 
combination of modem settings and SLIP settings.  No MTU seems to be more 
reliable than others, and compression/error-checking on or off doesn't 
help.

>
>I guess it is a bug in the networking code that causes SLIP to hang.
>I use 1.0.9. I don't know if the 1.1.x code has a solution to the
>problem. Does anyone know? Alan maybe?

     I'm currently running with 1.1.19, and I still have problems.  It 
occurs with PPP also, so I believe it's most likely a problem with the 
underlying network code, not with the SLIP or PPP implementation.  The 
odd thing about the behaviour is that when the connection hangs, the 
modem lights say there is _no_ data coming in, but it still shows outgoing 
data (which, contrary to what I said in the previous sentence, sounds 
more like a problem with the SLIP/PPP implementation :).  Maybe some bad 
control sequence is sent during a large burst of data telling the other 
end to buffer for a second, then never telling it to continue?  Wish I 
knew something about networking :/ 

     Jim

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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:07:53 GMT

Colin Dunn (dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU), quoted out of context, wrote:

> As for Linux, its constant evolution and lack of easy availability/technical
> support are two things that have kept me away from it. But due to OS/2's
> shortcomings, I am more and more tempted to try it...

Lack of easy availability?? Try sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu or....

Technical support? Okay... you just finished complaining that some drivers
don't work on OS/2... how soon do you think IBM will fix them? What a joke...

And, the "constant evolution" is there only as an option. I'm still using
Linux 1.0.8 ("anciently old"). 

--
Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine

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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Install woes
Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:16:30 GMT

Thomas  Fletcher (tfletche@uglz.UVic.CA), quoted out of context, wrote:
> Allright folks,

>   Got up this morn, all ready and raring to go to put Linux 
> Slackware 1.2.0 (I beleive those are the right #'s) and I set
> about the install.  I have a 486dx with 4 megs of RAM and a 
> 204 meg HD partitioned into 3 drives C,D,E. I want to install
> only a basic Linux system right now so I am want to only use
> my E partition which has approx 70 megs of space on it.  Plenty
> of room for just a bare bones system right now (or so I am told).

First, you have only 4M, so a swap partition is absolutely required.
Setting up a swap partition can be tricky when you don't already have
Linux running.

Backup your D: drive, and try this:
        mkswap /dev/hda2 4096
        swapon -v /dev/hda2

--
Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine

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