Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #320
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Date:     Mon, 27 Jun 94 10:13:17 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #320, Volume #2                Mon, 27 Jun 94 10:13:17 EDT

Contents:
  Re: commercial software available (Jens Krauss (Steinfath))
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Ralf G. R. Bergs)
  Re: When is the Next Infomagic CD set? (Thierry FELT)
  [Q] Wangtek 6200HS experience ? (Jussi Laako)
  Re: Can a DOS virus harm my linux partition? (Tony G. Wu)
  Re: SCO Framemaker? (was Re: WP Said NO GO (Tor Arntsen)
  XFree86 configuration on Midwest Micro Laptop (Jay Sipelstein)
  Re: commercial software available (Sebastian W. Bunka)
  Re: Do I need Motif to install Mosaic? (Matthias Rabe)
  Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY? (Matthias Rabe)
  Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing (Richard Laxton)
  Re: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING ! (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha (Alan Cox)
  Re: SLIP sessions HANGING (Alan Cox)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (Alan Cox)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (Alan Cox)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (William Guido Sohne)
  Do drivers exist for these PCI cards? (Richard Hipp)
  Re: Umsdos+Swap (Operator)

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From: krauss@stanley (Jens Krauss (Steinfath))
Subject: Re: commercial software available
Date: 27 Jun 1994 08:30:37 GMT

Marco Schramp (schr@si.tn.tudelft.nl) wrote:
: Hi everybody,

: I'd like to know if there's any commercial software
: available. I'm particulary interested in wordprocessing,
: accounting and database management, CAD, spreadsheets,
: etc...

: Can anybody give references to list of available
: software, and where is can be bought? Is this
: software available is Europe (the Netherlands?).

: Please reply by mail.

: Greetings,

: Marco Schramp (schr@si.tn.tudelft.nl)

: ________________________________________________________
: M. Schramp                 Tel: + 31 (15) 571039
: Kloosterkade 226           e-mail :schr@si.tn.tudelft.nl
: 2628 JJ Delft
: The Netherlands



Yes there is cormercial Software,

1. Poet, a oodbms
2. Mint, an interface builder
3. a CAD system (shareware, i forgott the name)
4. Motif
5. OI, parkplace`s Interface builder

and I heard that some dbms systems will be ported!


ciao Jens


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From: rabe@rama.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Ralf G. R. Bergs)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 09:41:56 GMT

aeb@cwi.nl (Andries Brouwer) writes:

>muenx@speedy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Holger Muenx) writes:


>>Guten Tag!

>Goeienavond.

>>  In order to examine problems happening to my users who dial in via a serial
>>port I would like to spy on a tty, ie. see what a user types there.
>>  Is there any solution to this problem?

>Lots of possibilities. You might for example replace his login shell
>by a small script that does a tee(1) or starts a pty like script(1)
>or something similar.
>Or was your purpose to help the user remember his password?

You'd better asked that BEFORE you told him how to do it... :-)))

  Ralf

-- 
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snail: H"uckeswagener Str. 42, D-51647 Gummersbach, Fed. Rep. of Germany
phone/fax: +49 2261 21968  E-Mail: rabe@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
Click <A HREF="http://www-users.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~rabe">here</A>.

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From: felt@mines.u-nancy.fr (Thierry FELT)
Subject: Re: When is the Next Infomagic CD set?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 07:48:40 GMT

In article <2uf237$c2o@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, btf57346@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Byron
Faber) writes:
> Anybody know when the next infomagic cd set is going to be
> released?
> 
> Byron

        Just right now (JUNE 1994) !!!!

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        FELT Thierry                            felt@mines.u-nancy.fr
        Ecole des Mines de Nancy                tel : 83.58.42.89
        Laboratoire de Mecanique des Terrains   fax : 83.53.38.49
=============================================================================


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From: visitor@news.clinet.fi (Jussi Laako)
Subject: [Q] Wangtek 6200HS experience ?
Date: 26 Jun 1994 08:10:56 GMT


Does anyone have Wangtek 6200HS (SCSI) DAT-unit working under Linux ?
If so, what is your opinion about the unit ?


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From: tonywu@u800620.SHIN.AB.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu)
Subject: Re: Can a DOS virus harm my linux partition?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 10:23:10 GMT

Patrick Schaaf (bof@wg.saar.de) wrote:
: spin@netcom.com (Nancy Perry) writes:

: >This may be a stupid question, but I just have to know.  If my 
: >DOS partition gets a virus, is my linux partition in jeopardy?

: If you run DOS, your Linux partition is in jeopardy. :)

  Maybe not... Linux partition is hiden when running DOS.

  Tony.

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From: tor@spacetec.no (Tor Arntsen)
Subject: Re: SCO Framemaker? (was Re: WP Said NO GO
Date: 27 Jun 1994 11:04:07 GMT
Reply-To: tor@spacetec.no

In article 94Jun26162318@backbone.uucp, wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) writes:

>When I bought my copy of frame, I was getting quotes of the SCO
>version for ~$800, but I was told that I _had_ to have the iBCS2
>version for SVR4 and that ended up costing me ~$1200.  Since I use my
[...]

I'm going to get FrameMaker these days (multiuser environment, we have a
license server on site already).  The demo stuff that I have tested works
ok (WP5.1 demo, xess demo) so I'm ready to try real stuff.

The above quote makes me feel uncertain about which version of FrameMaker
actually works with Linux.  Could someone *please* comment on the following:

- iBCS2 SVR4 version of FrameMaker does work on Linux? (is 'iBCS2 SVR4' *the*
   version name, or is it a Unixware version or whatever?)

- SCO version of FrameMaker does *not* work on Linux?

A quick reply is very much appreciated!

Thanks, 
Tor (tor@spacetec.no)



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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: sippy+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jay Sipelstein)
Subject: XFree86 configuration on Midwest Micro Laptop
Reply-To: Jay.Sipelstein@cs.cmu.edu
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 20:05:28 GMT

I'm running Linux/XFree86 on a Midwest Micro Elite Soundbook, with a 
monochrome (6 bit gray-scale) display.  I can run X using one of
the default Xconfig file and the VGA16 server.  Unfortunately, this
reduces the number of levels of grey I can use.  VGA256 says that 
it can't find a recognizable device.

Does anyone have a better suggestion for a server, and/or an Xconfig
file hacked for this machine?  The video chip set is the
Chips & Technologies 65540 VGA.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
-- Jay Sipelstein
   CMU School of Computer Science

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From: seb@i102pc1.vu-wien.ac.at (Sebastian W. Bunka)
Subject: Re: commercial software available
Date: 27 Jun 1994 11:04:57 GMT
Reply-To: Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at

Jens Krauss (Steinfath) (krauss@stanley) wrote:
: Marco Schramp (schr@si.tn.tudelft.nl) wrote:
: : Hi everybody,

: : I'd like to know if there's any commercial software
: : available. I'm particulary interested in wordprocessing,
: : accounting and database management, CAD, spreadsheets,
: : etc...
: Yes there is cormercial Software,

: 1. Poet, a oodbms
: 2. Mint, an interface builder
: 3. a CAD system (shareware, i forgott the name)
       ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^ ^
You mean SISCAD-P (available at sunsite & mirrors); It's some kind
of professional 2-D CAD from a German company (all texts in german!)
But it's not shareware; if you use it in buisiness you'll have to buy
it (Its also available (buyable) for *other* UN*XES.


: ciao Jens
SWB
                      [ Sebastian.Bunka@vu-wien.ac.at ]
                        phone:                   FAX:
                +43-1-71155260          +43-1-7149110
Location: earth, europe, austria, vienna  Inst. of Bacteriology  Vet.Univ.

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From: rabe@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Matthias Rabe)
Subject: Re: Do I need Motif to install Mosaic?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 07:42:53 GMT

In article <CryKw3.2229@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>,
neal kettler <kettler@CS.ColoState.EDU> wrote:
>In article <2uhdh4$p5s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
>Daniel Alex Finkelstein <daniel@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>You don't need OSF/Motif to install Mosaic, you just need it to run it.  I
>
>You can get a copy with the motif libraries staticly linked, then you
>don't need motif. I am running it just fine on my machine without motif.

But isn't it quite huge with Motif linked statically? And even dynamically
linked, it will chomp your (machines) memory if it's the only application
using Motif. I have only 8MB and use Chimera over a term link happily.
Although, I must admit Mosaic looks nicer.

-- 
rabe@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de                          Matthias Rabe
Universit"at Bielefeld                            Privat: Avenwedder Str. 494
U5-133                                                    D 33335 G"utersloh
Tel.: (0521) 106-3871                                     Tel.: (05209) 6673

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From: rabe@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Matthias Rabe)
Subject: Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 07:46:20 GMT

In article <1994Jun24.082124.2044@hap.arnold.af.mil>,
Kelly L. Fulks <fulks@hap.arnold.af.mil> wrote:
>|>     David> Before re-inventing the wheel, I am looking for the source
>|>     David> code of a program that works like the messy-dos program
>|>     David> XCOPY.  Anyone know of one?
>|> I presume that you are asking this because you want to copy a
>|> directory tree with all the subdirectories and have the program create
>|> the directories if they do not exist. I always do this with cpio:
>|>     cd sourcedir
>|>     find . -depth -print | cpio -pvdum targetdir
>What is wrong with "cp -r *"?

This doesn't preserve everything. GNU cp has the -a switch. 
So do a 'cp -a <src> <dst>'.

Matthias

-- 
rabe@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de                          Matthias Rabe
Universit"at Bielefeld                            Privat: Avenwedder Str. 494
U5-133                                                    D 33335 G"utersloh
Tel.: (0521) 106-3871                                     Tel.: (05209) 6673

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: u2105546@aix00.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Richard Laxton)
Subject: Re: Linux better than OS/2 for net surfing
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:32:34 GMT

[a long argument on OS/2 vs. Linux deleted]
Just thought I would throw my comments into the fray...

I have been using OS/2 since 2.0 came out and have been very happy with it.
It crashes *very* rarely on my machine, runs very quickly and is very good
as a development platform. 

I have also been using UNIX for years and Linux for about 4 months, and I must
say that I am very impressed with its stability and speed. However, despite
everything, there are things that I miss from Linux. First and foremost is
the Workplace Shell. This kicks the arse of any similar product that I have
ever seen. It is powerful, easy to use, and in my experience quite stable.

Another things that I miss is multi-threading. The threaded model of 
programming fits a lot of programs very well, programs that otherwise would
require a fair amount of effort to get running well. (My thesis is one of them
worse luck :-( )

Anyway, all I can say is that both operating systems are equally valid, and
each has it's place. For example, a linux box would be next to useless in 
an SNA (or APPC) environment, while an OS/2 box fits in very nicely. Similarly,
Linux is very good for users who want to connect their machines to the Internet
and are operating under budgetary constraints.

Enough babbling for now. 

Richard Laxton
u2105546@cumulus.csd.unsw.oz.au
User of OS/2 *and* Linux

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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING !
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:40:07 GMT

In article <acc-corp.1122886404A@tigger.jvnc.net> acc-corp@tigger.jvnc.net (Robert Wolf) writes:
>Now here is a good idea.  
>
>It should be called comp.os.linux.commercial
>
>Anyone know how to go about implementing such a thing?
>
It should be biz.linux(.cdrom)

The biz.* groups are carried away from those networks that have non commercial
AUP's. This allows them to carry very commercial traffic, even commercial
paid tech support, contract discussions and stuff.

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:43:12 GMT

In article <1994Jun25.022353.1400@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
>In article <2uelse$a89@sousa.amt.ako.dec.com> riebs@tanfl.amt.ako.dec.com (Andrew Riebs) writes:
>+---------------
>| A number of us are pushing to get to the day where we can the world's only
>| *open* operating system, Linux, on the world's fastest desktop systems
>+------------->8
>
>I wonder what the NetBSD/FreeBSD folks would say to that.

Legitimately miffed I suspect 8). Seriously I hope they get involved in Alpha
ports too. Even though IMHO Linux is far superiour there is both much to learn
from *BSD, and perceived 'competition' is good for both OS groups.

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: SLIP sessions HANGING
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:45:50 GMT

In article <1994Jun25.120918.14681@ericsson.se> ehsstwi@ceres22.ericsson.se (Stefan Wikstrom) writes:
>I guess it is a bug in the networking code that causes SLIP to hang.
>I use 1.0.9. I don't know if the 1.1.x code has a solution to the
>problem. Does anyone know? Alan maybe?
>
People keep adding fixes and cleaning up. 1.1.19 has changes from various
sources (Charles Hedrick and Matt Dillon especially) to correct violations of
spec and to work in such a way as to evade bugs in some other stacks.

If you can get traces on the hangs mail them to me (A.Cox@swansea.ac.uk)
as all evidence helps. It gets harder as time goes on as very few people now
get hangs like this..

Alan


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:02:21 GMT

In article <2ujmaqINN8tv@umbc9.umbc.edu> mgursk1@umbc.edu (QeyS) writes:
>Almost everything I use for OS/2 comes with source as well, except the
>actual OS....
The quality of the gnu tools nearly persuaded me to run OS/2. But then Linux
turned up 8).
>I don't think I'd trust myself to patch the source to any OS I was running...
A lot of Linux people just run 1.0.x (x is some random number between 0-9)
they don't bother upgrading because it works.

>Questions: Was Linux developed wholly independently from other Unix
>sources?  How long has it been around?  How many of the earlier
>versions were buggy?

Linux is totally independent of any other Unix sources. As to 'how many versions
were buggy' this obviously depends on what you call a bug. Every OS/2 version
has a giant bug list. Most however are of the form 'Printing 37 files at the
same time with unusual options x y and z set causes pages to appear out of 
order'. Similarly with Linux.

>Some could argue that you get what you pay for.
Yep like microsoft free 90 days tech support 8)

>I power off for thunderstorms, new hardware installations, and reboot
>when I want to play DOOM at a nice speed.

Snap... and when Linux DOOM appears out that'll save a few reboots on the one
box.

>What's the use of a new version a month if you've encountered one bug
>in 18 months?
He said _features_ not bug fixes. Most people as I've said just run 1.09 but
if they want PPP, 8K NFS, ultra fast SCSI, PCMCIA then they can run the newer
stuff. 1.0 is a release 1.1.x is the developer snapshot (the sort of weekly
goodies the real IBM developers get).

>So for most people still, it's nothing but the floppy shuffle.  How
>many diskettes does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a
>Linux installation for "Most people"?

1 and a CD-ROM. A decent system with about 5 compilers, X windows, openlook,
games and the full unix tool set in binaries is about 25 disks.

>I can install it from one diskette on a non-networked drive.  One
>diskette and one CD-ROM...
Snap.

>Different strokes for different folks.  How many businesses use Linux?

We do .. and we don't currently run OS/2. Although OS/2 for windows is about
to 'save' the non power users very soon 8)

Alan

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:30:13 GMT

In article <MATT.94Jun26173945@physics2.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
>Oh, I realize that it's largely not IBM's fault: OS/2 just isn't
>popular enough to have built up the network of third-party support and
>freeware that other operating systems have.  But if I'm deciding what
>operating system to run, why should I care about fault?  Shouldn't I

I'm a huge Linux fan and I disagree with that. The support for GNU tools
in OS/2 is second only to that in 'Real operating systems' like Linux/Unix

Alan


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: wgsohne@tucson.Princeton.EDU (William Guido Sohne)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 08:13:53 GMT

In article <2ukph3$4du@popeye.hamburg.germany.eu.net>,  <ron@crew.de> wrote:
>In <1994Jun25.093822.24697@Princeton.EDU>, wgsohne@stone.Princeton.EDU (William Guido Sohne) writes:
>
>[munch]
>
>>On the day you can install OS/2 using 2 floppy disks only 
>>on a networked machine could you please give me a call ?
>>
>
>No problem, I can do and have done. Two disks. No more, no less.
>

Interesting. My opinion of OS/2 has risen slightly. How exactly did you
achieve this  ?

>Hendrik
>
>p.s. E-mail me for a list of needed files and a sample config.sys
>     -- and by the way - I really do not like your tone ...
>

Tough for you if you didn't like my tone. Someone flamed me and I replied.        

>---
>Hendrik H. Fulda                    IBM Certified OS/2 Engineer, TeamOS/2
>e-mail: ron@crew.de, ron@chaos-hh.zer                  OS/2 EDAP & DevCon
>---

--
Guido

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From: drh@world.std.com (Richard Hipp)
Subject: Do drivers exist for these PCI cards?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 12:55:32 GMT

Two quick hardware compatibility questions:

  *  Will the Adaptec 1542 SCSI drivers work with the new 32-bit
     Adaptec PCI SCSI-2 controllers?  If not, are there other
     drivers which will work?

  *  Will XF86_S3 work with the #9GXE64 cards for the PCI bus?
     If not, are there other XFree servers that will work with
     the #9GXE64?

I'd like to know answers to these questions before I spend big $$$
on a new system.  Any help is appreciated.  e-mail responses to
drh@world.std.com and I'll post a summary in a week or so.


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From: pp@lyseo.otol.fi (Operator)
Subject: Re: Umsdos+Swap
Date: 27 Jun 1994 11:50:42 GMT

: John Bryan (jhonsrid@drealm.drealm.org) wrote:
: :  
: : Btw, the youngest linux user I know is 15. Is that some kind of record?
: :  

: I started Linux when I was 14, Now I am 15. I installed it about 5 months
: ago.. I love it..

Well, that isn't the record either :)
I installed linux around november 1991, I think I tested it from a boot
floppy(0.95a or something like that) before that, but had to wait for
st-02 support before I could install it. And I was 13 (maybe 12 when I 
tested the boot floppy) Installation wasn't that easy back then, 
there was a boot and a root floppy, and everything else had to be
installed manually.
btw. I deleted the whole drive by accident while installing.
When the installation script asked for the destination drive, I answered
/dev/sda instead of sda2 :)

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