Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #319
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Date:     Mon, 27 Jun 94 06:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #319, Volume #2                Mon, 27 Jun 94 06:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Term118 connection problem??? (Tony Wang)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (Sean Connery)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (Ronald Copley)
  Infomagic (Jon Saken)
  Word Perfect (cummings)
  Re: ext2fs - Max. size per partition (Leonard N. Zubkoff)
  Re: Can Linux mount NeXT filesystem (Jonathan E Brickman)
  Re: NETWORK--Outbound TELNET ok but Inbound TELNET fails (Terry Dawson)
  Re: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING ! (randy hyde)
  Re: Will my Computer Blow Up? (Burton Bicksler)
  Re: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING ! (randy hyde)
  Re: SCO Framemaker? (was Re: WP Said NO GO to Native Port.) (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k (Terry Dawson)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (Matt Austern)
  Re: Term w/ Mosaic (Jeff Crilly N6ZFX)
  Re: Can a DOS virus harm my linux partition? (Ludwig Van.)
  Re: Does PPP on Linux Route TCP/IP? (Michael O'Reilly)
  What is wrong if lpr kills networking? (F.W.Zandvoort)
  Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ? (Dragon Fly)

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From: hwang@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tony Wang)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Term118 connection problem???
Date: 26 Jun 1994 22:15:27 GMT

Hello there:

        This is the first time I am using the term program. I have the term118,
and it compiled ok on my Linux machine and the HP-9000/735 running HP-UX 9.01
(p.s. it has some warning messages on HP, but it passed).

        I am using c-Kermit to establish the connection between local and remote
machine. 
        
        I am sure the line is connected, but I always get the following error
message:
Term: No such file or directory
Term: Failed to connect to socket /home/t/.term/socket
It seems the connection is not there.

        I am not sure what I missed on the term-HOW-TO document or what I did
wrong. Can someone give a hint or some clue?

        Any help will be very appreciated.


Thanks, :)

Tony Wang
---
e-mail: hwang@ecst.csuchico.edu

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From: bond@access1.digex.net (Sean Connery)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: 26 Jun 1994 19:19:34 -0400


>I take it that you don't use TCP/IP or you did not pay for your copy of 
>OS/2 ?
>OS/2 set me back almost $200. I was not about to invest another $150 in it
>when I could get superior software for free.

I got 2.1 for $80 at MicroCenter one day...where in the hell did you get 
it from?!?!?!  No wonder you like free software..you obviously don't know 
how to compartive shop...

Also, I'm interested in what you system specs are...please provide...


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
From: copley1@muvms6.wvnet.edu (Ronald Copley)
Date: 24 Jun 94 09:32:31 EDT

In article <uUB1kukh1K09066yn@shore.net>, bjb@shore.net (Beverly J. Brown) writes:
> In article <merlyn.771807115@winternet.com>, Doug McIntyre wrote:
>> stroutl@polaris.nova.edu (Leeman Strout) writes:
>> >Okey... Well... dad says he wants to see if he can by a Sparc 5 without 
>> >the Solaris 2.x license.  He wants to run Linux on it.  Can he do that?  
>> >Will it work?  How hard would it be to make it work?
>> 
>> No, Linux isn't ported to the Sparc. But why would you? Solaris (V1.1B) is 
>> much more stable, and Linux is trying to copy alot of it. By owning
> 
> Solaris and stable do not belong in the same sentence without a NOT in 
> between! And GOD! PLEASE tell me Linux is NOT copying such a piece of crap!
> I haven't had much opportunity to put it to much of a test, but if it's as 
> stable as Solaris, I'll delete it from my machine! From all I'[ve heard from 
> others, Linux is MORE stable than Solaris. 
> 
> 
> Beverly J. Brown
> bjb@shore.net
> beverly@datacube.com

By Solaris 1.1, he means SunOS 4.1.3, which is quite stable and a pleasure to
use.

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From: saken@stsci.edu (Jon Saken)
Subject: Infomagic
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 18:08:54 GMT


Sorry if this an FAQ question, but I can't find one for this group.
I'm interested in installing Linux on a 486.  Could someone post or
e-mail the address and phone number for Infomagic, and any other
company selling Linux packages?  Thanks.

jon saken

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From: cummings@stingray.net (cummings)
Subject: Word Perfect
Date: 26 Jun 1994 18:53:04 -0500

I am curious, in order to run this program Word Perfect under the emulation,
are any libs from the sun needed?  And if so, what are they?

Thanks.

-- 
Internet: cummings@stingray.net

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From: Leonard N. Zubkoff <lnz@dandelion.com>
Subject: Re: ext2fs - Max. size per partition
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 18:34:38 GMT

In article <1994Jun25.115410.2149@hkucs92.air.org> cklo@hkucs92.air.org (Chris Lo) writes:

   I'm trying to find out the max. limit of ext2fs. Since I could
   probably be able to loan a huge storage system as large as > 4GB.
   (note: 9GB drives are now avaiable)

You cannot have an EXT2 FS larger than 2gb.  The reason for this is that the
file system creation and checking tools must use lseek on the raw partition to
create the file system, and lseek can only refer to an offset 2gb in size since
off_t is typedef'd to long.

I found out the hard way a while back by trying to create a file system on a
SCSI disk with 2049 1mb cylinders...

                Leonard

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From: brickman@world.std.com (Jonathan E Brickman)
Subject: Re: Can Linux mount NeXT filesystem
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 04:22:44 GMT

Phil Howard (phil@zeus.fasttax.com) wrote:

: You might also consider doing the backup on a whole disk basis.  Linux can
: read the full drive image.  Just compress that and back it up to the tape.
: The catch is restoring it means restoring it all.  But this is what I do
: with my Sun SparcStation which I don't have a way to boot if the hard drive
: dies ... I back up the disk image with Linux.

When you mean the full drive image, do you mean a tar -cz on the whole
directory structure, or something more advanced?  If so, that sounds
pretty good...
||Jonathan E. Brickman
brickman@world.std.com





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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: NETWORK--Outbound TELNET ok but Inbound TELNET fails
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 23:53:02 GMT

iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:

>I've fold a load of people with misconfigured network routing that have this
>problem. People who should be running gated but aren't, people who shouldn't
>be running gated but who are, misconfigured campus routers all sorts.

Sorry to post and not mail but I'M having trouble reaching your mail
address Alan. Would you mind writing a quick point form summary of who
should be using gated/routed and when ? I'll include it in the next
release of the NET-2-HOWTO. A cc: by mail would be appreciated so I don't
miss it.

regards
Terry

-- 
--- Terry Dawson, terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

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From: rhyde@cuda.ucr.EDU (randy hyde)
Subject: Re: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING !
Date: 24 Jun 1994 19:15:37 GMT

>>>>
The problem is that Universal is the only reseller of CD's doing this. 
There are several hundred CD vendors (including ourselves) who could post
similar "we have it, just call 1 800 lots-a-cds" type posting everytime a CD
is mentioned on the net.  Which would create a LOT of postings of marginal
value to most readers.

This is why a bias against advertising has developed on the net.  

As for being unfair, it is only the complaints (flames) of the newsgroup
readers that will keep those of us with a commercial interest in posting to
the net from going beyond generally accepted behaviour.
<<<<

Some of us actually enjoy reading the ads.

I have a suggestion for you, since you seem to have an econonmic interest.
Why not collect press releases from each of the vendors, phone numbers,
prices, etc., and post them once a month.  That would be a good service
and an appropriate use of "network bandwidth" IMHO.

I find the constant bitching about ads far more offensive and a bigger
waste of my time than *any* ad I've seen posted to the net.

Let's face it, as more and more people come on line, advertising on the
net is going to become a bigger and bigger "problem".  Perhaps we should
develop a reasonable way to handle the ad traffic *right now* so that it
doesn't get out of hand later.  Encapsulating the ads in a weekly or monthly
post seems like a reasonable solution to me.

For those who don't want to pay for the download, a simple filter should
take care of everything.

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From: bbick@netcom.com (Burton Bicksler)
Subject: Re: Will my Computer Blow Up?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 18:27:35 GMT

Andrew Appel (aappel@panix.com) wrote:
: In <1994Jun24.094736.579@duquesne.ie> asmall2@duquesne.ie (Alastair J. Small) writes:


Alastair,                       

What you are experiencing is RF noise caused by the switching transients 
on the bus when your computer is executing various pieces of code.  In 
the early days of the MITS 8800 one of the first programs that was 
written was one to play "music" on a nearby radio when the program ran.  
This as also one of the few programs that did anything useful that could 
run in 256 Bytes of RAM.

Things to check:
Are all external cables shielded, or are some plain ribbon cables.  
Unshielded and/or ungrounded cables are a common cause of Radio Frequency 
Interference.

Are all of the metal covers for any empty board slots in place on the 
back of the computer.

Is the cover on the computer, and is it secured by mounting screws.

If all of the above is true then the following are possibilities:

The computer in question is not designed for use outside of an "office" 
enviornment, that is it is Class A (US FCC).  Class B machines meet a 
higher standard, and are less likely to cause interference in nearby 
radios and TVs.

The RFI Filter in the computer's power supply is defective and is not 
trapping the RFI properly.

It is extremely unlikely that your computer is in any danger of "blowing 
up", and this is not a Linux exclusive "feature".

If you have any questions feel freed to contact me via E-Mail.

Burt



-- 
                                             bbick@netcom.com

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From: rhyde@cuda.ucr.EDU (randy hyde)
Subject: Re: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING !
Date: 24 Jun 1994 19:20:08 GMT

>>>>
They overstepped their bounds when they posted instead of emailing the
person requesting information. Are there not certain usenet classifications
(.biz??) in which these people could post this information? If so perhaps
they should start biz.linux.cd.reseller.
<<<<

They overstepped *your* bounds, not theirs, or mine.
As for making new newsgroups like "biz....", who would subscribe?
Quite frankly, I find reasonable ads posted to the internet of far more
value that 80% of the other posts.  They contain useful information about
products and services which, if I can't use myself, I can pass on to others.

As long as we're booting all the commercial interests off the net, why don't
we get all the groups moderated?  That would *really* cut down on the waste
of bandwidth.  Especially since no one would have to read this message or
any other message in this thread.

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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: SCO Framemaker? (was Re: WP Said NO GO to Native Port.)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 23:58:46 GMT

wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) writes:

>In article <1994Jun24.011725.3981@taylor.infi.net> mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>> swampler@noao.edu () writes:
>> >  I much prefer FrameMaker (call me weird).  Since I'd be willing to bet
>> >money no Linux-native version of FM is likely to show up, is there an
>> >existing version for SCO?
>> 
>> Yes, the low street price is currently $2,000.00 for a single floating
>> license.

>When I bought my copy of frame, I was getting quotes of the SCO
>version for ~$800, but I was told that I _had_ to have the iBCS2
>version for SVR4 and that ended up costing me ~$1200.  Since I use my
>PC to run Unix 24 hrs a day (I am a news/mail hub for my area), the
>alternative of buying MS-Windows+MS-Word would have required me to buy
>another PC.  So, even at $1200, it was cheap.  No, make that less
>expensive.  :->

>p.s.  These were for fixed licenses, not floating licenses.

Yes, you were quoted for a note-locked, single user license of Frame.  The
floating is still $2000.  However, that is definately a route to save $$
if you are not using a multi-user system!

-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson)
Subject: Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 00:12:10 GMT

iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:

>In article <1141@blox.se> bj0rn@blox.se (Bjorn Ekwall) writes:
>>Are my eyes just extra sensitive to ham callsigns, or does Linux
>>have a special attraction for people such as us?

>It seems to , since I've released the Linux AX.25 I've been suprised the
>number of Radio amateur people using Linux - and a lot of them since before
>Linux had any usable amateur radio support even Wampes. In fact some quite
>big names in packet radio seem to have Linux systems.

>Alan
>GW4PTS

Seems to me to be the 'free' OS that best supports the Amateur Radio
operator ethic.

Terry
vk2ktj

-- 
--- Terry Dawson, terryd@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

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From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: 27 Jun 1994 00:39:45 GMT
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu

In article <2ul2e6$n9c@access1.digex.net> bond@access1.digex.net (Sean Connery) writes:

> >I take it that you don't use TCP/IP or you did not pay for your copy of 
> >OS/2 ?
> >OS/2 set me back almost $200. I was not about to invest another $150 in it
> >when I could get superior software for free.
> 
> I got 2.1 for $80 at MicroCenter one day...where in the hell did you get 
> it from?!?!?!  No wonder you like free software..you obviously don't know 
> how to compartive shop...

Presumably he means that he spent $200 for the operating system itself
and for one or two programs.  Which isn't at all unreasonable: the
operating system, a backup program (you don't get OS/2 backup programs
free with tape drives the way you get DOS programs), and a utility or
two could add up to $200 before you know it.

And indeed, after paying a few hundred dollars for OS/2 and for things
that you would get free with another operating system, but have to pay
for in the case of OS/2 it's depressing to find out that networking,
too, falls in this category.

Oh, I realize that it's largely not IBM's fault: OS/2 just isn't
popular enough to have built up the network of third-party support and
freeware that other operating systems have.  But if I'm deciding what
operating system to run, why should I care about fault?  Shouldn't I
just assess the advantages and disadvantages to me?  And should the
availability and cost of software be one of the things I consider?

I do run OS/2, incidentally---but software availability was quite
definitely one of the things I thought about when I made that
decision.
--
       Matt Austern                       "Se non e vero, e ben trovato"

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From: jeffx@netcom.com (Jeff Crilly N6ZFX)
Subject: Re: Term w/ Mosaic
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 04:49:24 GMT

ned (ned@netcom.com) wrote:
: Is there anyone out there that has/is using Mosaic with term?
Yes.  I'm using it.  It is quite amazing.

: Can you tell me anything about if how the performance is?  Slow, very
: slow...etc.

It's slow, but acceptable.  I use a 14.4k modem with compression.  I think
the line runs at 38.4k.  I notice that xfers accross this connection is
about 1400 bytes/sec.  On netcom I use lynx, a tty mode www browser.
No graphics, but you can download simages, browse ftp servers, etc. using
the www client style commands.  Pretty decent for a dialup browser.
I find mosaic over term to be about the same performance as the lynx
client.

Mosaic has a feature where you can delay the downloading of the in-line
images.  This speeds things up quite a bit.  If you want to see one
of the images, you can just click on the icon where the image is
supposed to be.

: Also, is it worth the effort to compile and use, if I only plan on using
: it with TERM or a 14.4k SLIP connection?

If you have it running over a ethernet/leased line, then yeah, it probably
doesn't make sense to run it on slip.  But if you don't have access
to a decent net connection, then slip or term is what you have to settle
for.  

I don't know how the term connection compares to a slip connection.  I
would expect to be comprable.  The real reason I use term is cuz of the
$2/hour slip charges.

Oh, I think I found Mosaic on sunsite.unc.edu already built for Linux.
So I just downloaded the binary. term does need ot built.  And you need
to do it twice.  Once on your Linux box and another on the unix host.
I don't know if there's a term out here on netcom, but I have it in
my home dir already built.

jeff

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From: lruppert@iguana.syr.EDU (Ludwig Van.)
Subject: Re: Can a DOS virus harm my linux partition?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 19:43:21 GMT

In article <Crwy5D.M72@wg.saar.de> bof@wg.saar.de (Patrick Schaaf) writes:
>spin@netcom.com (Nancy Perry) writes:
>
>>This may be a stupid question, but I just have to know.  If my 
>>DOS partition gets a virus, is my linux partition in jeopardy?
>
>If you run DOS, your Linux partition is in jeopardy. :)

No no.. If you run Linux, your DOS partition will soon be in jeopardy. :)

>Patrick

-Lou
UNIX Weenie, and Linus fan.
-- 
"Until you stalk and overrun, you can't devour anyone."   -Hobbes
Lou Ruppert                     lruppert@mailbox.syr.edu
My opinions are my own.  My attention span isn't long enough for

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From: michael@iinet.com.au (Michael O'Reilly)
Subject: Re: Does PPP on Linux Route TCP/IP?
Date: 27 Jun 1994 17:09:13 +0800

Gentry Howard (ghoward@hawk.depaul.edu) wrote:
: Will my Linux box be able to function like a TCP/IP router for the rest of
: my Ethernet if I run PPP or SLIP to a service provider? In other words,
: will my TCP/IP clients on my ethernet be able to request socket level
: services from hosts on the internet over a PPP or SLIP connection? What
: software/hardware/service combination would I need to make this happen?

Yes, it's definately possible. reggae.iinet.com.au does exactly that.
It handles an ether, and between 2 and 5 PPP links. Handle routing
traffic for a few subnets. No probs at all.

Nothing special needed. Just compile the kernel with forwarding turned
on, and start bringing up links. :)

Michael.
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From: rik@parsec.nl (F.W.Zandvoort)
Subject: What is wrong if lpr kills networking?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:14:40 GMT

I am using Slackware (from InfoMagic's CD-ROM, feb 1994) v0.99 P15,
and after some strugling almost everything seems to work by now,
BUT....

The system is connected via ethernet to an other Linux system, same
version etc. Things like nfs, rlogin, ftp and telnet work fine.
However, if I use 'lpr file', all network connections are
broken at the instant the file is sent to the printer. Both systems
still work, except for the networking. Route en ifconfig do still give
the same information as before the incident.

What might be wrong?
Who has a clue?

thanks,

Rik
-- 
Rik Zandvoort        <rik@parsec.nl>            Phone: +31 71 131000
Parsec Developments, Leiden, The Netherlands    Fax  : +31 71 142142

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From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Why cannot xterm use -bg option in .xinitrc ?
Date: 26 Jun 94 02:40:23 -0400

I'm customising X-windows and I have run
onto the following puzzle:
I can run xterm (or xclock or whatever else)
with -bg <color> option (background color)
from other xterm without any problem. However when I try
to use the very same option, say, when running
xterm (or xclock) from .xinitrc or from twm manager,
they kick me off saying that that -bg option is
illegal !!!  So the only way I can change the
background color in xterm is by running it from
other xterm or put the color as default in app-defaults/XTerm
file. Why is it ?

Serge

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