Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #314
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 26 Jun 94 08:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #314, Volume #2                Sun, 26 Jun 94 08:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Watching a user on an tty? (Andries Brouwer)
  Re: DOSEMU and ANSI.SYS (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha (Dwight M Evers)
  Re: VP/ix for Linux? (James B. MacLean)
  Re: ST-01 SCSI & Tape Backup (Louis Lagendijk)
  Wanted: source for Linux CD-Rom.... (moses k yee)
  Re: DIP-3.3.7c (Louis Lagendijk)
  Graphics Ultra Pro VLB and X (Paul Quinn)
  Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: fvwm question (Jim Balter)
  Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2 (QeyS)
  Re: Yggdrasil and PAS16 SCSI/CDROM: Any successes? (Jason Van Patten)
  fvwm question (Jason Van Patten)
  Re: Will my Computer Blow Up? (Andrew Appel)
  Finite element packaga anyone? (Paul Derks)
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (Brandon S. Allbery)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: aeb@cwi.nl (Andries Brouwer)
Subject: Re: Watching a user on an tty?
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 20:57:40 GMT

muenx@speedy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Holger Muenx) writes:


>Guten Tag!

Goeienavond.

>  In order to examine problems happening to my users who dial in via a serial
>port I would like to spy on a tty, ie. see what a user types there.
>  Is there any solution to this problem?

Lots of possibilities. You might for example replace his login shell
by a small script that does a tee(1) or starts a pty like script(1)
or something similar.
Or was your purpose to help the user remember his password?


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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: DOSEMU and ANSI.SYS
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 20:19:32 GMT

In <1994Jun23.233651.227@orca.drep.dnd.ca> rusk@orca.drep.dnd.ca (Raymond Rusk) writes:

>In article <1994Jun23.230705.226@orca.drep.dnd.ca>, rusk@orca.drep.dnd.ca (Raymond Rusk) writes:
>> I presume that the latest versions of DOSEMU still do not
>> support ANSI.SYS.  In any case, I find that DVANSI.COM
>> from my ancient copy of DESQview 2.01 (circa 1988) allows
>> the Waite Group's "Master C" and "Master C++" programs,
>> which rely on the ANSI.SYS/NANSI.SYS driver, to run under
>> DOSEMU.

>Following up on my own message, I looked in the Simtel MSDOS
>archive at oak.oakland.edu and found that an updated (92/05/12)
>version of the executable file dvansi.com resides in
>/pub/msdos/desqview/dvansi.zip.  This version seems to work as a
>slightly faster ANSI.SYS replacement for DOSEMU.  Both versions are
>slow under DOSEMU.  Does anyone know of a faster executable
>providing the functionality of ANSI.SYS?

I am using NNANSI.SYS, dated 1/93
It is a modified version of NANSI.SYS

Rob
-- 
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| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
=========================================================================

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From: evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers)
Subject: Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 22:12:29 GMT

Arthur Tateishi (ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu) wrote:
: In article <1994Jun18.142440.92@light-house.uucp>,
:  <whome!light-house!las@planix.com> wrote:
: >In an obscure post on c.o.l.d. Linus has in effect announced that Linux
: >will be soon ported to the DEC Alpha.

: Let's not exagerate here!
I agree... more than one programmer, as good as they may be, have put a 
program on the back burnner for months, even years.

: All he said was DEC is shipping him an AlphaPC and he intends to get
: Linux running on it. No promises. No time frame. Just interesting for
: other porters since Linus (who is presumably the most familiar with
: the kernel) will be encountering and dealing with unportable stuff
: from the kernel so porters will hopefully have an easier time of it.
I wonder what, _if_any_, support DEC has provided Linus.

: This implication of "soon" has no basis in fact and there will still
: be tons of work to do after a functional kernel is completed.

NOTICE, this is an ALPHA "PC", not a AXP!!! Hopefully device drivers for 
some of the new 64bit graphics cards will be made available as either a 
direct or indirect outgrowth. Then, the average joe _might_ be able to 
afford true workstation quality and performance w/o workstation price.

============================================================================
                        |       "...peace is a thing which a person
Dwight M. Evers         |           must be willing to fight for..."
evers@plains.NoDak.edu  |
        NDSU            |                       -Abe Lincoln
============================================================================


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From: jmaclean@fox.nstn.ns.ca (James B. MacLean)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: VP/ix for Linux?
Date: 25 Jun 1994 22:03:54 -0300

In article <1994Jun23.175359.20570@taylor.infi.net> mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>>       There are many features in VP/IX that are extremely usefull that
>>dosemu just doesn't have (at least the last time I looked), and that I
>>wouldn't want to have to do without (if I had to use VP/IX or dosemu
>>personally, which I don't).

>I have to agree.  If I had the features of VP/ix *or* Merge, I could
>totally dump the MS-"DOS" partition at home.
>-- 
>  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
>  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
>  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
>  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

Since I have never used anything other than DOSEMU :-(, what are these 
features that DOSEMU should put on it's wanted list?

LAter,
JES
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
James B. MacLean                    jmaclean@fox.nstn.ns.ca
Department of Education
Nova Scotia, Canada (902) 424-8438

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From: etmelag@dcrosby27.ericsson.se (Louis Lagendijk)
Subject: Re: ST-01 SCSI & Tape Backup
Date: 25 Jun 1994 22:10:09 GMT

In article <CrHvu1.E7@cyanamid.uucp>, Jim Trocki <trockij@Cyanamid.COM> wrote:
>  Has anyone gotten the Seagate ST-01 SCSI controller to work with
>a SCSI tape drive, such as the Archive 2150S? I have an ST-01 lying
>around, and I'm looking to buy an Archive 2150S tape backup to
>attach to it, and I would like to know if anyone has had success with
>such a configuration.
>
I have an ST-01 with a Seagate ST296 harddisc (80M) and a tape drive.
Teh tape drive uses a scsi -> QIC02 board. It works quite allright.
The problems I have with the harddisk seem to be caused by the drive.
The tape drive does work. But you have to keep in mind that the ST-01
is slooooooow. System performance suffers quite badly when the tape
drive is used.

Cheers, Louis


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From: moses@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (moses k yee)
Subject: Wanted: source for Linux CD-Rom....
Date: 25 Jun 1994 22:05:11 GMT

Hi to all,

        I am new to the world of Linux and to this newsgroup. I have 
scanned thru hundreds of articles but have no luck in finding a concrete 
source. My questions are these: There appears to be two popular versions, 
Infomagic's two CD's and the yggdrasil's summer 94 edition. Which one is 
simpler to install and maintain? Ease of installation is my priority, 
since my experience is limited to dos and some UNIX commands.

        Can someone please e-mail me with the address, ftp.site or phone 
numbers of vendors that deal with these CD's..Universal CD, InfoMagic etc...

        Thanks a million!!

moses


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From: etmelag@dcrosby27.ericsson.se (Louis Lagendijk)
Subject: Re: DIP-3.3.7c
Date: 25 Jun 1994 22:15:18 GMT

In article <2uapvt$19d9@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>,
Uri Blumenthal <uri@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
>OK, an interim release of DIP-3.3.7-uri is out. It fixes
>a few [minor?] bugs, adds a couple of features, namely
>S/Key for those who are a bit hesitant to type their
>password in clear, and something else - I forgot
>what... Ypu'll find it all in the source, plus
>maybe README* files...
>
Using your version of dip is nice, except for one nasty little
problem: I made my system more or less FSSTD compliant. Dip however
still expects all binaries of other net progs in /etc instead of 
/sbin. The install script installs the binary of dip in /usr/etc
instead of /usr/sbin. Would it be possible to make your dip 
(optionally)  FSSTND compliant?

Keep up the good work!
Louis

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From: p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA (Paul Quinn)
Subject: Graphics Ultra Pro VLB and X
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 22:11:43 GMT


I am trying to get X to work with an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro VLB card.  Whenever
I try to start X, I get a message stating : no screens found.  I had X working
perfectly with my Graphics Ultra.  I installed the X server for the mach 32 and
it stopped.

Are there any special settings that I need for this card?

--
________
Paul Quinn
p_quinn@ece.concordia.ca
Computer Science: Systems Architecture
Concordia University
Montreal, QC, CANADA
========

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:45:15 GMT

In article <2ucl0s$8hh@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann) says:
+---------------
| zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
| : Unless you HAVE to use SQL (eg. job requirement) you are better off using
| : QUEL instead. I believe Onyx comes with an SQL interpreter written in sh.
| 
| Amen to that!  SQL is seriously botched.  How it got to be the 
| industry standard defies comprehension.  QUEL has its problems, God
+------------->8

Trivially:  IBM invented it, so everyone followed the (then) leader.

| knows, but it is 100 times--a 1000 times--better than SQL.  And if
+------------->8

No argument.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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From: jqb@netcom.com (Jim Balter)
Subject: Re: fvwm question
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 22:54:44 GMT

In article <2uhjgl$gdc@library.erc.clarkson.edu>,
Jason Van Patten <vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> wrote:
>Hi again -
>
>       OK, again, let me say thanks to the flood of email :).  Thing is, as
>I mentioned in my last post, IconBox in the system.fvwmrc (I set it there 
>because I'm the only one who uses it) DOES NOT WORK.  I get no errors or 
>anything like that, but I also get no IconBox either.

Works for me (yggdrasil summer '94). What exactly is the line you added to
system.fvwmrc?  And are you expecting a visible box on the screen?  The box is
really a region.  Did you actually try to iconify anything?

>       As I posted earlier, I checked and rechecked and triple checked the
>man pages on both X and fvwm, and neither said anything about a IconBox.

The yggdrasil installed fvwm man page is very out of date.  Look at
/usr/src/X11/contrib/window-managers/fvwm-1.21c/fvwm/fvwm.man

-- 
<J Q B>

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From: mgursk1@umbc.edu (QeyS)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: TCP/IP: The reason I dumped OS/2
Date: 26 Jun 1994 06:46:50 -0400

=====================================
Before anything else is read, let me say I own, run, and love OS/2,
and as soon as I get more disk space, a Linux partition goes on.
=====================================

In article <1994Jun25.093822.24697@princeton.edu>,
William Guido Sohne <wgsohne@stone.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
|>In article <361_9406242100@genesplicer.org>,
|>Mark Woolworth <Mark.Woolworth@choice.genesplicer.org> wrote:
|>>Hello William
|>>
|>>On Jun 24, 1994 you wrote in a message to All:
[deletia]
|>I could either cough up $150 for TCP/IP for OS/2 bringing my total 
|>investment to almost $350 or could get a better implementation for free. 
|>Guess which one I chose. So, OS/2 bigot, ya better shut yer mouth.
|>I have used TCP/IP for OS/2 on an experimental machine in the University. 
|>What did I find out ? It *sucks*. 

If it was an experimental machine, how do you know everything was
stable?  Did you check the complete installation of OS/2 and TCP/IP?

|>*superior* product for free. It boggles my mind. Perhaps you have 
|>invested too much in OS/2 to let go ? Tell me, did you get the base 
|>package only ? 

Well, I've invested a grand total of $100 in OS/2, for the base
package only.  I use GNU ports of just about everything, use emx for
programming, use DOS stuff when I need it.

|>      a) telnet and ftp to other machines
|>      b) mount the files on my Unix machine via NFS

Must be nice to be somewhere that has this type of connectivity...  We
get ROLM phones that hook to a serial port and can't handle their
advertised 19200 bps....

|>      d) run thousands of *free* programs with *source*

Almost everything I use for OS/2 comes with source as well, except the
actual OS....

|>Have you ever encountered a bug using OS/2 ? From my experience with OS/2 
|>I'd say hell yeah. With the source to Linux and all the programs I use 
|>under it I can fix it myself

I don't think I'd trust myself to patch the source to any OS I was running...

|>In fact, after using Linux for almost a year and a half, I have 
|>encountered exactly *one* bug. Only once did Linux crash. But you *paid* 
|>for an operating system that is bug-infested, huh ? I guess you're a 
|>pretty smart guy - you think I'm cheap when I'm getting a better deal. 
|>I'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

Questions: Was Linux developed wholly independently from other Unix
sources?  How long has it been around?  How many of the earlier
versions were buggy?

|>Free software is cheap, as cheap as it gets.

Some could argue that you get what you pay for.

|> When software is cheap *and* 
|>quality, like Linux itself you have a winner. Why do you think a giant 
|>like Novell would even look at free software if it weren't obviously 
|>superior? Run OS/2 non-stop and reboot only to install the next version 
|>and see how far you'd get.

I power off for thunderstorms, new hardware installations, and reboot
when I want to play DOOM at a nice speed.

|> Oh, new versions only come out once a year at 
|>most - so sorry. I get new functionality at least once a month.

What's the use of a new version a month if you've encountered one bug
in 18 months?

|>Not so fast here. I was describing a method for those people (which 
|>happens to be most people) who don't have access to the Linux 
|>distributions via NFS.

So for most people still, it's nothing but the floppy shuffle.  How
many diskettes does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a
Linux installation for "Most people"?

|> It was so before me and my friends installed 
|>Linux. Now anyone in Princeton University wanting to install Linux needs 
|>only _2 floppies_.

Must be nice to have a nice network access.  But tell me, if I were
going to Princeton, would I be able to do this, or would I need some
sort of network card?

|> On the day you can install OS/2 using 2 floppy disks only 
|>on a networked machine could you please give me a call ?

I can install it from one diskette on a non-networked drive.  One
diskette and one CD-ROM...

|>Don't forget, I have installed *and* used OS/2 for a good length of time. 
|>I have also installed and used Linux for a longer time. From my 
|>experience, Linux is better. Perhaps you went off half cocked, huh ? Tell 
|>me, have you used Linux in any significant way ? 

Perhaps you should take a walk around campus before replying.  It
doesn't help your position to be insulting.

|>Yeah right. OS/2 and TCP/IP for OS/2 are the best products on the market. 
|>Maybe if you consider the OS/2 market only. Like I said before, for 
|>TCP/IP networking Linux is better than OS/2. Spend a few dollars on the 
|>best product ? Excuse me, but the best product is FREE.

Different strokes for different folks.  How many businesses use Linux?


==============================+==============================================
  |\/|ike Gurski              |  "Sure you can meet 'nice people' but who
  mgursk1@gl.umbc.edu         |   really likes 'nice people.'  Nice people
  qeys@tiger-pit.dorm.umd.edu |   are boring.  Crazy fucked up wacko's are
                              |   fun." --babs the wonder squid 
                              |  http://umbc8.umbc.edu/~mgursk1/
  finger -l for more          |
==============================+==============================================

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From: vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason Van Patten)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil and PAS16 SCSI/CDROM: Any successes?
Date: 24 Jun 1994 12:09:02 GMT

Hi -

        I posted something on one of the Linux newsgroups about the problem 
PAS16 SCSI and CDROM.  If it's expired on your end, well, here goes. :)

        To get it working properly, I first had to install it.  (I know.. 
almost seems like a paradox?).  I found, through experimentation that when
Linux does the autoprobe at startup, it looks for an interrupt for the SCSI
port.  Recent PAS's (and perhaps older ones) don't use interrupts for their
SCSI port.  Anyway, upon bootup (cold) it would fail.. It'd find the port, and
the CDROM (Toshiba), but it would time out when it tried to mount it.

        I found tho, that it I three-finger saluted that machine right after
it locked up, it WOULD figure out that the PAS wasn't using an interrupt, and
mount the CD properly.

        Well this wasn't good enough for me.  I installed the kernel sources 
and found in /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/pas16.c the area that was causing the
trouble.  Right at the end of the search for an interrupt, I set it to NO_IRQ
or something like that.  (Take a look, you'll see what I mean.)

        Now it works fine, from both cold boots and three-finger salutes.  If
you'd like pas16.c, or, god forbid, my kernel, let me know.  G'luck.

                                                Jason

--
Jason Van Patten                  | If at first you don't succeed, keep |
Clarkson University               | on sucking till you do succeed.     |
vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu  |                     - Curly Howard  |
                                  |                 (The Three Stooges) |
            ** Any opinions expressed here are actually
               yours, you just don't know it yet. **
 

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From: vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason Van Patten)
Subject: fvwm question
Date: 24 Jun 1994 12:29:40 GMT

Hi -

        I was playing around with the settings in the system.fvwmrc file, and
one thing was bothering me.  The icon placement.  I see AutoPlace, and Smart
Place. 

        I want neither of these.  I'd like my icons to end up in the upper left
hand side of my screen.  Does anyone know the proper setting?  I checked the
man pages on fvwm, and, while helpful in most respects, when it came to icon
placement, nothing.

        Reply via email if you could.  Thanks.

                                                Jason



--
Jason Van Patten                  | If at first you don't succeed, keep |
Clarkson University               | on sucking till you do succeed.     |
vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu  |                     - Curly Howard  |
                                  |                 (The Three Stooges) |
            ** Any opinions expressed here are actually
               yours, you just don't know it yet. **
 

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From: aappel@panix.com (Andrew Appel)
Subject: Re: Will my Computer Blow Up?
Date: 24 Jun 1994 08:34:24 -0400

In <1994Jun24.094736.579@duquesne.ie> asmall2@duquesne.ie (Alastair J. Small) writes:


>Hi there,

>Apologies if this has nothing to do with Linux, but I'm concerned that my
>computer is about to blow up! Joking aside though, yesterday I noticed that
>whenever I was doing anything that accessed the disk (IDE 540Meg with >1024
>cylinders) FM 104 here in Dublin started crackling on the radio which is about
>6 ft from the computer!

>When the hard disk light stops flashing, the crackling stops, when I read my
>favourite linux news group with tin, the radio crackles while indexing the
>groups. When I do a 'ls -la', I get crackles. I came in this morning to find
>that my machine rebooted itself (only second time in 5 months) and that the
>crackling is still there.

>We have Macs, other Unix workstations and a Windows NT machine that don't seem
>to be causing any interference. Is this a self-destruct feature of linux 
>because I haven't upgraded my kernel for 2 weeks! or is my computer about to
>bite the dust. Are these warning signs because Linux shares a room with NT and
>doesn't like the company, or is it just getting touchy before the Ireland v.
>Mexico match tonight.

>Any suggestions welcome, 

>Alastair J. Small                      Tel: +353-1-676-0666
>duQuesne Limited                       Fax: +353-1-676-8417
>4 Merrion Square                       Email: asmall2@duquesne.ie
>Dublin, Ireland        


Move your radio or turn it off. 



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From: paul@stack.urc.tue.nl (Paul Derks)
Subject: Finite element packaga anyone?
Date: 26 Jun 1994 11:20:01 GMT

I seem to recall that a couple of months ago a finite element package 
was being announced on cola. Could anyone tell me where I can find it.

Thanks in advance!


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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 22:08:29 GMT

In article <2ufhj0$r99@galaxy.ucr.edu>, rhyde@cuda.ucr.EDU (randy hyde) says:
+---------------
| such companies are ready targets for leaner, meaner, more speculative 
| companies willing to take a calculated risk and thus reap the rewards 
| commensurate with such risks whilst the "business-as-usual" crowd will wake
| up one day and wonder what happened to their market share.
+------------->8

No, they won't.  They do what Microsoft, etc. do:  wait for the speculator
to create the market, then invade in force and drive the speculator out of
business (or in IBM's case, often buy them out and thereby end up owning the
market).

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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