Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #310
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 25 Jun 94 09:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #310, Volume #2                Sat, 25 Jun 94 09:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx (Roy Hann)
  Slackware 1.2.0 and Mitsumi CDROM (sysop@comet.sb.sub.de)
  Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY? (Kelly L. Fulks)
  Re: Need recommendation for SVGA card (Paul Stoffregen)
  Enhanced IDE with Linux? (Joe Janakovic)
  Re: fvwm question (Patrick Reijnen)
  Re: SLIP sessions HANGING (Stefan Wikstrom)
  input overrun (Michel Anders)
  Re: Scanner (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows (Donald Jeff Dionne)

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From: rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann)
Subject: Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx
Date: 23 Jun 1994 18:41:32 GMT

zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
: In article <Crst40.Eq7@news.ess.harris.com>,
: 
: Unless you HAVE to use SQL (eg. job requirement) you are better off using
: QUEL instead. I believe Onyx comes with an SQL interpreter written in sh.

Amen to that!  SQL is seriously botched.  How it got to be the 
industry standard defies comprehension.  QUEL has its problems, God
knows, but it is 100 times--a 1000 times--better than SQL.  And if
a testamonial doesn't convince you, how about an appeal to authority?
You will not find a single expert in the field who will tell you 
SQL is better than QUEL in any sense other than that it is ubiquitous.

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University of Alberta Hospitals            (MIME-capable mail agent)
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From: sysop@comet.sb.sub.de
Subject: Slackware 1.2.0 and Mitsumi CDROM
Date: 22 Jun 1994 08:34:12 +0200

Hi,
i`ve got a problem, hope you can help me...

I installed Slackware 1.2.0 from CDROM Mitsumi Double Speed.
Works fine, even the Installation from CDROM.
But after installing, when i use the system, i have
no chance to use my CDROM.
I want to install a part of Linux after the main installation,
but no CD-Rom can be mounted...
With the same setup-programm on the installed Linux, it can not mount.

When i reboot with the disks, everythings go fine, and the CD will be 
mounted.

Please, help me, i`m just beginning with Linux, and i dont know how to 
solve the problem.



Richard Koenig +-----------------------+ Comet-Link
says: RAVING ! ! Sysop@comet.sb.sub.de ! +49-621-28823
what else ?    +-----------------------+ Mannheim, Germany

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Subject: Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY?
From: c60283@lauren.aedc (Kelly L. Fulks)
Date: 24 Jun 94 08:21:23 -0600
Reply-To: fulks@hap.arnold.af.mil

In article <RON.94Jun22002900@draconia.hacktic.nl>, ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:
|> >>>>> "David" == David Flood <dcflood@u.washington.edu> writes:
|> 
|>     David> Before re-inventing the wheel, I am looking for the source
|>     David> code of a program that works like the messy-dos program
|>     David> XCOPY.  Anyone know of one?
|> 
|> I presume that you are asking this because you want to copy a
|> directory tree with all the subdirectories and have the program create
|> the directories if they do not exist. I always do this with cpio:
|>      cd sourcedir
|>      find . -depth -print | cpio -pvdum targetdir
|> 
|> Works good, hope this helps
|> --
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>              Ron Smits
|>              ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
|>              Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM
|> 
|> /*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
|> /*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/
What is wrong with "cp -r *"?
-- 
Kelly L. Fulks                    Reply to: @hap.arnold.af.mil:c60283@troi.aedc 
Scientific Programmer/Analyst             : fulks@hap.arnold.af.mil
OAO Corporation                           : kelly@kc4rdj.raider.net
Arnold Air Force Base, TN 37389           : csklf@knuth.mtsu.edu

Amateur Radio: KC4RDJ@AB4ZB.#MIDTN.TN.USA.NA   
             : kc4rdj.ampr.org. [44.34.0.8]

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From: paul@holmes.ece.orst.edu (Paul Stoffregen)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for SVGA card
Date: 25 Jun 1994 11:06:48 GMT

>one of the reasons I haven't done anthing on adding 16bit support to the S3
>server is that I only have 1MB on my 801, and I can't find anyone that sells
><=60ns DRAM to expand it...

You might find a source by sending e-mail to newmanj@csos.orst.edu
who is a saleman at a place that, last I checked, had a small
stock of 45ns DRAM chips for video card upgrades.

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From: redgt@io.org (Joe Janakovic)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Enhanced IDE with Linux?
Date: 23 Jun 1994 21:31:24 -0400

Do large capacity enhanced IDE drives work well with Linux?  I'd like to buy
a Dell XPS P90 system that comes with a 1Gb IDE hard drive.  Would I have any
problems running Linux?  If it does run, are there any restrictions to how I
partition the hard drive?

-- 
Joe Janakovic                      Internet: joej@golddisk.com
Software Developer                           redgt@io.org
Gold Disk, Inc.            
Toronto, Ont., Canada      "ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!"

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From: patrickr@sci.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: fvwm question
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 11:31:22 GMT

In <2uejjk$h0e@library.erc.clarkson.edu> vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason Van Patten) writes:

>Hi -

>       I was playing around with the settings in the system.fvwmrc file, and
>one thing was bothering me.  The icon placement.  I see AutoPlace, and Smart
>Place. 

>       I want neither of these.  I'd like my icons to end up in the upper left
>hand side of my screen.  Does anyone know the proper setting?  I checked the
>man pages on fvwm, and, while helpful in most respects, when it came to icon
>placement, nothing.

Try something like this : IconBox -150 90 -5 -140
Struggle a bit with the numbers and you can place your icons everywhere you want them to have. :-)
 

>       Reply via email if you could.  Thanks.

>                                               Jason



>--
>Jason Van Patten                 | If at first you don't succeed, keep |
>Clarkson University              | on sucking till you do succeed.     |
>vanpatjm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu  |                    - Curly Howard  |
>                                 |                 (The Three Stooges) |
>           ** Any opinions expressed here are actually
>              yours, you just don't know it yet. **
> 

Patrick Reijnen

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From: ehsstwi@ceres22.ericsson.se (Stefan Wikstrom)
Subject: Re: SLIP sessions HANGING
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 12:09:18 GMT

bill@bhhome.ci.net (Bill Heiser) writes:

>I am running [trying to run] essentially a full-time SLIP connection to
>my Internet Service Provider (ISP) using a Microcom FAST 28.8 modem.  The
>modem at the other end is a Microcom ES 28.8.  I have recently  started having
>troubles with the SLIP session HANGING.  The carrier doesn't drop, but
>individual sessions using the SLIP session hang.  Most susceptible seems
>to be INBOUND TELNET.  I'll be in the middle of typing something or receiving
>a screen of text, and it will just stop, "never" to continue.  The other day
>I also experienced this type of thing during a download of an 800kb file 
>using Mosaic.

I have the same problem, and apparantly several others as well. I asked 
about this problem for a month ago or so but never got any replies,
except for others who had the same problem and also wanted to find
a solution.

I guess it is a bug in the networking code that causes SLIP to hang.
I use 1.0.9. I don't know if the 1.1.x code has a solution to the
problem. Does anyone know? Alan maybe?

>The symptoms *seem* to have started at around the time I upgraded to 32mb
>memory from 16mb.  Yet other things work and don't seem to be adversely
>affected!

I don't think that has anything to do with the problem. I have only 16mb.

--
Stefan Wikstrom
ehsstwi@ehs.ericsson.se

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From: michela@sci.kun.nl (Michel Anders)
Subject: input overrun
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 16:53:58 GMT

When i'm receiving data via kermit over my 9600b modem, and simultaneously
doing a mread on on another virtual console, mread gives the message:
TTY65: input overrun. On the VC that runs kermit the transfer indicator
turns to N. killing mread solves the problem, but where can i get info on
curing this more permanently? (Faqs are great for single topic problems,
but combinations of problems are a pain)

Any info appreciated,

Michel. (BTW my kermit is 5A(188) 23 nov 92, mtools is version 2.0.5+)



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From: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Scanner
Date: 25 Jun 1994 12:17:25 GMT

In article <2ugvcu$9td@hobel.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>,
Juergen Richter <fdsa@guug.de> wrote:
>Which scanners are supported by Linux? Which application programs for scanners
>do exist for Linux?

I wrote a small scanner FAQLET. Here is is.

Hope it helps,

BAJ
============================================================================
From byron@cc.gatech.edu Mon Apr  4 00:38:00 EDT 1994
Article: 13041 of comp.os.linux.misc
From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: CFD: LINUX SCANNER FAQ (Re: Linux and scanners)

LINUX SCANNER HOWTO

[This is an editorial comment. I'll have a scattering of these in the document.
These are my own personal comments - BAJ ]

1.0 INTRODUCTION
================
Scanner drivers for Linux seem to be few and far between. In addition
documentation for the software is non existant. This document attemps to 
document the available information about scanner for Linux and propose some 
directions for future development.

The current editor of this document is Byron A. Jeff. I can be reached at
byron@cc.gatech.edu.

1.1 The misconception of TWAIN compliancy
=========================================
On of the comments I often see is "If we write a TWAIN driver then all
scanners will work..." Unfortunately this is an incorrect assertion. TWAIN
is a standard that the scanner manufacurers came up with to provide a
common, standard interface between their scanners and the DOS/Windows
applications that use them. Quick Picture:

###################-----------------------------------------
# DOS/WINDOWS APP #
# PhotoShop or    # This is the application. it can function
# PhotoStylers or # with different manufacturers scanners
# OCR.            # because of the TWAIN interface on the
#-----------------# bottom edge.
# TWAIN interface #
# Application     #
# Side            #
###################-----------------------------------------
# TWAIN interface # This is the software driver that comes
# Driver Side     # with the scanner. It has a TWAIN interface
#-----------------# on the top end so that it can mate with
# Hardware Driver # different applications. Each hardware driver is different.
###################-----------------------------------------
# Scanner Card    #
################### This is the scanner hardware.
#    Scanner      #
###################

The problem for us Linux folks is twofold:

1) We really don't have any DOS/Windows applications we can run. 
2) That for each scanner a different Hardware Driver must be written
   and the hard specifications for that scanner must be available.
  
So TWAIN doesn't buy us anything in terms of getting a single driver to
run all scanners.

2.0 CURRENTLY AVAILABLE
=============================
[ Instead of writing about currently available stuff I'll just put the
post where I've seen it. If anyone has updated information, let me know.]

2.1 GS4500 Scanner

>From jem@sunSITE.unc.edu Sun Dec 12 17:33:43 EST 1993
From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] Scanner software ?
Date: 9 Dec 1993 05:34:36 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill


There is a driver for scanners built on the GS4500 chip-set.. It can be
found at:

<file://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel/misc-patches/scanner-1.0.tar.gz>

Here is the lsm:


Begin2
Title        = Scanner driver for GS4500 and lookalikes
Version      = 1.0
Desc1        = Provides support for using GS4500 class hand
Desc2        = scanners with Linux.
Author       = Richard Lyons
AuthorEmail  = pclink@qld.npb.telecom.com.au
Maintainer   = Richard Lyons
MaintEmail   = pclink@qld.npb.telecom.com.au
Site1        =
Path1        =
File1        = scanner-1.0.tar.gz
FileSize1    = 4426
Required1    = GS4500 B&W hand scanner or workalike.
CopyPolicy1  = Freely distributable with acknowledgement of author.
Keywords     = scanner GS4500
Comment1     = Suggestions welcome.  Support for other scanners
Comment2     = particularly welcome.
Entered      = 25OCT93
EnteredBy    = Richard Lyons
CheckedEmail = pclink@qld.npb.telecom.com.au
End


[ I need to know exactly the brand names of scanners that work with this 
driver. Also I need to know the type (flattop/handheld), resolution, speed,
and #of colors for each. One section of this will have a list of available
scanners. Prices and places selling them might also be useful. ]

2.2 Mustek Scanners

Subject: ANNOUNCE: scan-driver-0.1.4 available! 

Hi Linuxers!

The subject says it all:

        scan-driver-0.1.4.tar.gz is available!

[ I just checked sunsite (6/25/94) and it's up to 0.1.8. 
  All drivers can be found in /pub/Linux/kernel/patches/scanner ]

It's a Linux device driver for Mustek M-105 handheld halftone scanners
and lookalikes. Included in the package is a simple (S)VGAlib-based demo
and a 5-line-script to create a portable bitmap file from the scanned
image. I hope you enjoy it!

Here is the LSM entry:

Begin2
Title        = M105 handheld scanner driver
Version      = 0.1.4
Desc1        = Character device driver for M105 handheld scanner
Desc2        = and lookalikes. 
Author       = Thomas Faehnle
AuthorEmail  = s_faehnle@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de
Maintainer   = Thomas Faehnle
MaintEmail   = s_faehnle@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de
Site1        = oracle.rz.uni-ulm.de
Path1        = /pub/linux/ulm
File1        = scan-driver-0.1.4.tar.gz
FileSize1    = 10378
Site2        = sunsite.unc.edu
Path2        = /pub/Linux/Incoming
File2        = scan-driver-0.1.4.tar.gz
FileSize2    = 10378
Site3        = tsx-11.mit.edu
Path3        = /pub/linux/ALPHA/scanner
File3        = scan-driver-0.1.4.tar.gz
FileSize3    = 10378
Required1    = M105 scanner or clone with GI1904 interface
CopyPolicy1  = GPL
Keywords     = M105 scanner device driver GI1904 interface 
RelFiles2    = scandemo -- a (S)VGAlib-based demo
RelFiles3    = scan.sh -- script to scan into a pbm file
Entered      = 11.03.1994
EnteredBy    = Thomas Faehnle
CheckedEmail = s_faehnle@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de
End



Charlie Brady * (W) charlieb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au * (H) charlieb@budge.apana.org.au
"Make it as simple as possible - | Tel: (02) 413 6838 ____Telectronics__| /\__
  but no simpler"   Einstein, A  | Fax: (02) 413 6060 Pacing Systems    \/  


3.0 CURRENT DEVELOPMENT
===================
[Again for now I'll just copy the posts I've seen. This is primarily Dr.
G.W. Wettstein's work. I haven't heard from him in about 4 months so I
don't know the status. Perhaps he can send me an update.]


Article: 2674 of comp.os.linux.development
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 09:25:07 CST
From: Greg Wettstein 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Scaner ?

I am embroiled in the middle of such a project right now.  My current
work is to develop an image processing/storage system for our corporate
Linux network.  I vended a Fujitsu scanner for this project and it is
sitting at home right now, connected to my Linux box there.

The Fujitsu scanner conforms to the SCSI-2 standard for scanners.  I
bought the technical documentation for it and it too is sitting at
home.  I currently have the basics of a driver for it built on top
of 0.99.13.  The driver currently only implements some selected ioctl's
and the basic framework for read etc.  It is not currently capable
of really scanning a document.  Finishing this is on an absolutely
high priority so the next month or so should bring this to fruition.

I would like to donate the driver back to the Linus for inclusion into
the official kernel sources.  I do not know how much appetite there is
for this type of thing but rumor has it that scanners are not well
supported (at least SCSI-2) in the desktop UNIX market.  Perhaps Linux
can be a leader there as well.

I am not sure what type of interface that the HP machine uses.  We
considered vending one of their scanners but the technical support people
were a little bit baucky about giving out interface and programming
details.  We chose the Fujitsu because it was one of the few that
seemed to support SCSI-2.

I will let everyone know when the driver is capable of doing things more
intelligent that it does now.  I would be interested in hearing from
other's who have similar interests or projects in progress.  E-mail
to the address in my .sig is probably preferable to referring to the
e-mail address in the newspost.  This machine is only used for reading
news.

As always,
Dr. G.W. Wettstein           Oncology Research Div. Computing Facility
Roger Maris Cancer Center    UUCP:  uunet!plains!wind!greg
Fargo, ND  58122             INTERNET: greg%wind.UUCP@plains.nodak.edu
Phone: 701-234-2833
============================================

4.0 POSSIBLE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT

4.1 Epson Scanners
[ OK this is my own personal baby. I don't have time to work on it now.
  with the permission of the author and a hookup with me maybe someone
  else can pick up the ball. ]

Terry Gliedt has written a scanner driver for the Epson series of scanners.
While the code is specifically targeted for the 300C it'll likely work
with the other models (600C and 800C). But more importantly Epson has the 
programming specs for the devices available. Here is the info:

References:
  "Epson Color-Monochrome Image Scanners ES-300C Programmers Guide"
  (X-ES300C-P) available from Epson at 1-800-922-8911 for $7.50.

I have the code. It was written for the NeXT. I'm not sure about distribution
and one of the copyrights specifically states that it can't be modified
without the consent of the author. 

However if it can be ported then we'll have another class of pretty good 
scanners to work with.

4.2 Desperate? Internetworking with DOS machines.
=======================================

Another faster way of getting a scanner working is to use the scanner software
in the native DOS environment and then transfer images to the Linux box.
For example I have access to a BJ10 color scanner/printer that I can't
even explain what I want to do their tech folks much less get technical specs.
However they do have a test program than scans in an image. It is involked 
from the DOS command line. So a possible scenario might be:

1) Drop the scanner and ethernet card in a second machine running DOS.
2) Get a copy of Wattcp and NFS along with a packet driver and PKTMUX. 
   These are all freeware/shareware products available via ftp.
3) Set up the DOS box with the software so that you can mount Linux directories
   and so that the Linux box can telnet to the Linux box (using telnetd, a 
   program in the Wattcp package on the DOS box.)
4) Ok. Now the linux box can send commands to the dos box using telnet.
   The linux box tells the dos box to do a scan. The destination for
   the scan file will be a file on the NFS drive. So once the scan is complete
   the scanned image is sitting on the Linux box ready to be processed.

This can work for any scanner that has a DOS scanner command. It may be
possible to write an app for windows - but I don't know Windows.

[ OK. That's enough for now. My connection is dog slow today and it's driving 
me crazy.  Send me your suggestions and information. Send commentary. Send
error corrections. Send anything about scanners. Later, BAJ]
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu


-- 
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Date: 21 Jun 1994 23:08:21 GMT

HUTCHINSON jonathan (hutch@cs.concordia.ca) wrote:
: Everyone is talking about Wordperfect for X-Windows, but when I went to the 
: site all Icould not find anything for Linux (the closest was for SCO)

Right.  That's the one.  Works great under iBCS2 emulator

: Could anybody point me in the right direction please (ie ftp site and the 
: directory it is in) 

: I would be extrmemly grateful,
: Jonathan Hutchinson
: hutch@cs.concordia.ca

You know, all this talk about source for commercial software has me thinking
about an idea I has a while ago again.  In an organized manner, perhaps by 
a mail counter, register potential purchasers of commercial software ported
to Linux, and present one "lobby group" face to the comunity.  It was 
suggested that this Idea might upset someone at the FSF, and I assure you
that's not my intent.  I think we could ALL benifit from such an undertaking.
Potential porters of code could then be given the proper contacts in the 
Linux community perhaps making them feel more at ease with the idea of 
porting a major work and having no support for the OS if and when they 
run into a rough spot.

What do you think?  Feel free to flame if I'm way off base, but by the
response to the iBCS2 project, I think it would be a good thing for 
the future, and the image, of Linux.

Jeff Dionne,
Jeff@EE.Ryerson.Ca


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