Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #308
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 25 Jun 94 01:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #308, Volume #2                Sat, 25 Jun 94 01:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Will my Computer Blow Up? (Albert Hui)
  Re: lpd/ftp/nfs on a floppy only(1.44)?? (John Lellis)
  Re: SCO Framemaker? (was Re: WP Said NO GO to Native Port.) (Michael J Graven)
  Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx (Roy Hann)
  Xircom Ethernet/parallel port driver? (Chuck Meyer)
  Two IDE drives up, Thanks! (Bill McCarthy)
  Re: When is the Next Infomagic CD set? (Sarr J. Blumson)
  Memory Problems with Linux (ninworbg)
  Re: sco motif/iBCS/Linux ?? (Ramiro Estrugo)
  commercial software available (Marco Schramp)
  Two IDE drives (Bill McCarthy)
  Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware) (Martin Sohnius)
  Re: Umsdos+Swap (Brian Stoler)
  NCSA-lpr 4 DOS and linux as printserver HELP (Hans Schligtenhorst)
  Re: future of Unixware (David Wright)
  Re: future of Unixware (David Wright)
  Re: future of Unixware (David Wright)

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From: s931306@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Albert Hui)
Subject: Re: Will my Computer Blow Up?
Date: 24 Jun 1994 15:12:27 GMT

aappel@panix.com (Andrew Appel) writes:

>In <1994Jun24.094736.579@duquesne.ie> asmall2@duquesne.ie (Alastair J. Small) writes:

>>Apologies if this has nothing to do with Linux, but I'm concerned that my
>>computer is about to blow up! Joking aside though, yesterday I noticed that
>>whenever I was doing anything that accessed the disk (IDE 540Meg with >1024
>>cylinders) FM 104 here in Dublin started crackling on the radio which is about
>>6 ft from the computer!

Are you using X when this happen?

>Move your radio or turn it off. 

When I'm using MS-Windows similar thing happens, but when I switch the
DOS box fullscreen the crackling stops, quit dramatically.
Knowing this, when recording sounds I always expand a DOS box.  :)
(the virtual console in Linux does the sames thing, more conveniently,
you just press Alt-Ctrl-Fn, nice feature indeed)

It's a well known fact that modern GUIs have suididal tendency.  ;)
--
`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._
  Albert Hui (The Avatar)            |
  - avatar@suburbia.apana.org.au     | "Your mind is the only prison
  - s931306@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au    |  that can ever bind your soul."

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From: lellis@dmccorp.com (John Lellis)
Subject: Re: lpd/ftp/nfs on a floppy only(1.44)??
Date: 24 Jun 1994 15:15:33 GMT

jeffrey d evans (evans@clunix.msu.edu) wrote:

: Hi all,
:   I remember a while back someone had a linux distribution that fit all on one 
: disk.  All I need to be able to do is boot up the disk and use the workstation
: for an nfs server, ftp, and lpr server(hp4 lus printe).  It will mostly be 
: used for a lpr server with an HP laserjet 4 plus connected to it?
:   I've looked at the big ftp sites, but haven't found anything that looked like
: what I want out there(although there are a heck of a lot of files out there)..
:   I know I could install it on the harddisks, but being able to flip in a disk
: into any pc would be nice.

Sounds like you want cramdisk, which puts a 3-4mb ramdisk root filesystem in
compressed form on a bootable floppy.  You first build the file structure on
your hard disk and then generate the compressed boot floppy.  Very useful.

You can find cramdisk on sunsite.unc.edu in

                /pub/Linux/kernel/patches/diskdrives/cramdisk-1.0.tar.gz

Good luck!

--

John Lellis (lellis@dmccorp.com)

--
... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore
strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4.




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From: mjg@cs.stanford.edu (Michael J Graven)
Subject: Re: SCO Framemaker? (was Re: WP Said NO GO to Native Port.)
Date: 24 Jun 94 17:15:34 GMT
Reply-To: mjg@cs.stanford.edu (Michael J Graven)

swampler@noao.edu () writes:

>   I much prefer FrameMaker (call me weird).  

You're weird.  But so am I.

> money no Linux-native version of FM is likely to show up, is there an
> existing version for SCO?  

There is an iBCS version, as best I can tell.  I tried unsuccessfully to
get a straight answer from Frame last fall.  Theoretically, the iBCS
version should work with the iBCS emulation support.  However, Frame
only guarantees the software will work on certain systems: complete iBCS
compatibility isn't assured.

Had I money to burn, I'd give it a shot.  troff/mm is getting a little
old.  You could try running Frame on a supported platform (Sun/HP/etc) and just
redirect the display back to your Linux system.

-- 
-Michael                           "Jealous gun-toting ex ends a cozy weekend"
mjg@cs.stanford.edu                    --Headline, {Chicago Tribune}, 5 Jan 92

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From: rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann)
Subject: Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx
Date: 24 Jun 1994 15:21:25 GMT

bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
: 
: I think part of it is also the supposedly "English-like" nature of the
: language (which mysteriously vanishes when you go to write real-world queries
: that require all sorts of garbage to work around SQL braindamage :-)

I always wondered about that.  Would you hire people who claim to be
able to analyse and automate complex bet-your-business systems who
also claim not to be able to grasp the limited complexity of, say,
QUEL--so they have to have the crutch of an "English-like" language?  

Since SQL violates not only the relational model, but also 
every principle of good language design that has been articulated in
the last 20 years, it sure isn't "easy to learn," for all its pretense
to be "English-like."  So it is a disaster on that account too.

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Roy Hann
Senior Analyst, Information Systems        rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca
University of Alberta Hospitals            (MIME-capable mail agent)
WMC 2C2.21, 8440-112th Street,     
Edmonton, Alberta                          Tel: (403)492-4367
T6G 0N4                                    FAX: (403)492-3090
Canada

PLEASE: No shipments by courier from outside Canada; use regular mail.
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Subject: Xircom Ethernet/parallel port driver?
From: chuck@hous.inmet.com (Chuck Meyer)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 22:46:58 GMT

Is there an ethernet driver available for the Xircom (model PE3-10B2) pocket
ethernet adapter that connects to a PC parallel port? If not, is anyone
working on one?

Thanks.

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    |____/  / ___|/      ,`  / )         713-480-4101 voice
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/_____________/|                         "When your only tool's a hammer, all
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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Two IDE drives up, Thanks!
Date: 24 Jun 1994 20:27:36 -0400

Just want to thank all who responded with suggestions re. my two IDE
drives and linux and dos. Got them up and booting. Thanks a lot. Nothin
like the 'net for good folk and plenty help!




Bill McCarthy
bmccarth@gulfaero.com

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From: sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
Subject: Re: When is the Next Infomagic CD set?
Date: 24 Jun 1994 17:22:17 GMT
Reply-To: sarr@citi.umich.edu

When I called a couple of weeks ago they said it should ship around July 1. 
I got a flyer describing its contents in the mail yesterday.
-- 
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Sarr Blumson                         sarr@citi.umich.edu
voice: +1 313 764 0253               home: +1 313 665 9591
CITI, University of Michigan, 519 W William, Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943

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From: gbrownin@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu (ninworbg)
Subject: Memory Problems with Linux
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 15:01:43 GMT


I have Linux up and running on a 486 DX 33 with 20 megs of Ram,
3c503 ethernet card, 2 Quantum 100+ meg drives, AMI bios with
A20 Fast Gate option.  I have the 1.1.8 linux kernel.

The problem is that when memory gets used up it doesnt seem to
get released.  The kernel reports a warning the bdflush is not
running.  I have contacted LSL before about this and they could
only suggest rebuilding the kernel.  I have rebuilt the kernel
many times and still doesnt work.  My memory keeps getting
'gobbled' up till nothing is left.  What can I do about this?

Second problem is that sometimes telnet sessions to the linux
box freeze.  However, even though the screen is frozen, all keyed
commands are processed.  It is as though local echo is getting
turned off.  This only happens when using FTP's PC/TCP software.
I have connected using NCSA for Mac and had no problems freezing.
FTP's software works with other linux boxes.. is there a fix for
this?

Thanks

Gary R. Browning, Senior Consultant
Indiana University South Bend Computing Services





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From: restrugo@netcom.com (Ramiro Estrugo)
Subject: Re: sco motif/iBCS/Linux ??
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 01:31:43 GMT

Cyrill Vatomsky (cyrillv@netcom.com) wrote:
: Mike Jagdis (jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: : * In message <cyrillvCrpDFw.F3L@netcom.com>, Cyrill Vatomsky said:

: : CV> I have SCO installed on my second drive and it has motif. Is
: : CV> it possible to use it for Linux, maybe vie iBCS?

: : Yes and no. Yes you can run it under iBCS. But first you have to get at it. 
: : It is probably on an EAFS filesystem (unsupported by Linux) on a divvy 
: : subpartition (unsupported by Linux) of a partition on your second HD. Only 
: : the old SYSV filesystems are supported on non-divvied partitions. Now if you 
: : had a second _machine_ with it on running NFS...

: :                                 Mike  
: :  
: I can reinstall SCO on another machine. But unfortunately I do not have
: network here. (We live in stone ages). Is it possible to read/grab SCO
: Motif from distribution floppies (SCO original)?  Verbose suggestions 
: are really appreciated, since I am a four months linux user with no
: prior unix or programming experience.

Hi,

  I once wanted to do exactly what you want to do.  After MUCH
frustration with SCO, I gave up and shelled up the 150 bucks for
Sequoia Motif for Linux.  It was a very good investment.  I cant see
another way to go for serious development.  IMHO, with some
tinkering, you can set up a much better development environment under 
Linux than SCO.  

  If all you want to do is port Motif programs...thats another
story...besdies, someone probably has ported it allready....

  I know sometime we are hesitant to shell out hard-earned money for
software (Thats why I use Linux and not dog/windoze) but I think 150
bucks for Motif 1.2.3 (Sequoia) is definetly a good investment.

-Ramiro

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From: schr@si.tn.tudelft.nl (Marco Schramp)
Subject: commercial software available
Reply-To: schr@si.tn.tudelft.nl
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:13:54 GMT

Hi everybody,

I'd like to know if there's any commercial software
available. I'm particulary interested in wordprocessing,
accounting and database management, CAD, spreadsheets,
etc...

Can anybody give references to list of available
software, and where is can be bought? Is this
software available is Europe (the Netherlands?).

Please reply by mail.

Greetings,

Marco Schramp (schr@si.tn.tudelft.nl)

________________________________________________________
M. Schramp                 Tel: + 31 (15) 571039
Kloosterkade 226           e-mail :schr@si.tn.tudelft.nl
2628 JJ Delft
The Netherlands

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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Two IDE drives
Date: 23 Jun 1994 21:32:58 -0400

Hiya:

I have kind of a cross subject post, so please forgive the dual posting.
I was able to hook up two IDE segates as master and slave: st 3243a master 
with linux; st3144a slave with dos/windows. when I boot into linux, the boot
log records hda1 - the st3243a and hdb1 - the 3144a, but I can't access or
boot the 3144a. Conversly, if I switch the master/slave setup and run fdisk
under dos on the 3144a, I can see the 3243a as fixed drive 2, but can't get
to it. What am I missing here? Something basic, I'm sure. Booth drives work
fine alone or as the master drive. Any suggestions? I'm almost tempted to
call a local pc place and ask them to install the second drive for me, but
I'd really rather so it myself. Any advice/help/suggestions would be more
than welcome. TIA.




Bill McCarthy
bmccarth@gulfaero.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius)
Subject: Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 16:12:46 GMT

Alan Cox (iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr) wrote:
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<snip>
: Linux is running hospitals, NASA projects, our mail hub, problem tracking
                                                 ^^^^^^^^
: database, usenet and MIPS cross development. I have had mail from inside three
: different 'national security' agencies and two of those I know for sure use
: Linux internally.

Thanks, but no!

BTW, since this subject is now "Multiport Bored and Linux", can we stop
cross-posting to comp.unix.unixware?  This might cool down the 
discussion, too.

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                        +--------------------------------------------+
Martin Sohnius          | "The Information Superhighway"             |
Novell Labs Europe      | voted "Word of the Year 1993"              |
Bracknell, England      | by the American Dialect Society.           |
+44-344-724031          |            - The Wall Street Journal -     |
                        +--------------------------------------------+
                        (I speak for myself, not for Novell or anyone else.)

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From: sto2@netaxs.com (Brian Stoler)
Subject: Re: Umsdos+Swap
Date: 24 Jun 1994 01:10:05 GMT

John Bryan (jhonsrid@drealm.drealm.org) wrote:
: Btw, the youngest linux user I know is 15. Is that some kind of record?

Well I'm 15 now, but I started using Linux 5 monthes ago, when I was 14. 
Do I hold the record? :)



--

- Brian Stoler
- sto2@netaxs.com

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From: hansen@jupiter.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans Schligtenhorst)
Subject: NCSA-lpr 4 DOS and linux as printserver HELP
Date: 24 Jun 1994 13:41:51 GMT

Subject: 
Reply-To: hansen@rzserv.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de
Summary: 
Expires: 
Sender: hansen@rzserv.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Osnabrueck, FRG
Keywords: 

Hello *,

I use my Linux-Box as a printserver for a connected DOS-box.
Software: NCSA-Telnet, lpr-client.
The configuration is alright, ping tells, that the linux-machine
is up and running and so on. I can ftp onto my linux-box, telnet to it
and so on. lpr sends the printjobs to linux and it prints fine
--- but only one time per linux-boot! Then netstat tells me
tcp        xyz.blubb.maschine       FIN_WAIT2

I'm very astonisched about that, cause Ithought lpr sends the request to 
lp, when it is finished and closed. But now I see, the printer is working,
the connection is up, but the DOS-box has finished the job. Switching the
DOS-box off doesn't change anything, always FIN_WAIT2.

Hmmmmm, I'm very surprised. Is there anybody, who has had success or
can give me any hints? I'm really not a network champ, but the basic 
things I thought I've understood.

Tx in advance.

BTW: Is there a lockd for linux? LSM2405  gave no answer.

Hans Schligtenhorst
---
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:23:46 GMT

>>>>> "BE" == Bruce Evans <bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au> writes:

  BE> No 486 can handle 96 simultaneous Zmodems at today's modem speeds.

        I don't think any (single) 486 can handle 96 high-speed transfers at
the same time of ANY kind (ftp, nfs, etc). But at least for ethernet the load
gets spread around evenly and there are no flow control concerns.

  BE> However, for 96 POS terminals, the average throughput should be much
  BE> lower (how much?), and a smart card should be useful for guaranteeing
  BE> no data loss under transient high loads.

        One of the main benefits of all the intelligent cards I have seen is
that they do all the flow control on their own. That is, the main host does
not have to deal with interupt servicing/latency when someone is running
38kb and using XON/XOFF, or 57/115kb and RTS/CTS.

        My favorite board (although pricy) is the Specialix RIO series. They
put an Inmos transputer on the host card, and one in each terminal cluster
adapter. So your host adapter has 4 ports on it, each RTA has 4 network ports
on it, and you can daisy-chain up to 16 RTA's in any configuration you want.
You can also set up redundant lines between the host adapter & the RTAs, so
if one line gets cut or disconnected it can transparently switch over to
another line with no loss of data or time lag.

        Another nice thing about this setup (and the main reason I use it
over some of the other boards) is that you can have a pretty long distance
between any two devices on the network, like 150 meters. This lets me string
a single wire (2 UTP pairs) inbetween two of our buildings and still get the
ability to have clusters of serial and parallel ports in both buildings
attached to the same Unix machine. They have a fiber-optic module that lets you
go like 1.5km between devices, but I haven't needed that kind of distance or
isolation yet, so I don't know how well it works.

        Anyway, I would take a decent intelligent card like the Specialix,
DigiBoard, or Computone (Maxspeed?) over a dumb board or a CPU upgrade *IF*
I thought that I/O loading would be a problem. If you only need 4 or 5 more
ports, and you don't expect to do much more than character terminal
interaction, I don't know that an intelligent board would make a noticeable
difference. Just make sure you dumb board can share the same interupt for
all the ports on it.


                                                        Dave

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:40:08 GMT

>>>>> "BSA" == Brandon S Allbery <bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org> writes:

  BSA> In article <2tu16s$33m@u.cc.utah.edu>, terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) says:
  BSA> +---------------
  BSA> | Actually, a customer service rep who can look up part numbers without
  BSA> | losing their place on an order entry screen is much more productive
  BSA> | than one who has to start over because he only has one window to do his
  BSA> | work in.
  BSA> +------------->8

  BSA> But you can do that in character mode with Accell, Informix-4GL, Progress, ...
  BSA> and even DOS Quicken.  (Well, not part numbers :-)


        And you can do it on AlphaWindow's terminals under unix, or on any
character tube with things like JSB MultiView, FacetTerm, GNU Screen, the
various "screen" clones bundled with just about every intelligent I/O card,
etc. I like FacetTerm the best personally, as it lets you switch from one
running application to another, and the screens for things you have running
will be current when you switch back (IE: no need to "pause" them before
leaving for fear of seeing garbage when you get back). Plus it can also
pop up a drop-down menu on top of your running applications to give you
access to things like email, news, etc.

        Character mode isn't dead yet! :-)

                                                        Dave

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: dmw@prism1.prism1.com (David Wright)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:43:47 GMT

>>>>> "MAD" == Mark A Davis <mark@taylor.infi.net> writes:

  MAD> terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) writes:
  MAD> I still prefer Xterminals also, but they are more load on the system.
  MAD> One *CAN* make serial terminals multisession through the PD "Screens"
  MAD> app, or several commercial serial multisession products.  SCO ODT even
  MAD> includes a serial multisession utility (although rather basic).

        Actually, just about all versions of SCO Unix & Xenix provide a serial
multisession package of some sort. The main problem is that the supplied
packages are not very good, and I had some real trouble at one point using
"mscreen" in early versions of SCO Unix. under Linux you could just run the
GNU "screen" package. It would be nice if FacetTerm was available for Linux
though.

                                                Dave

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