Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #306
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Date:     Fri, 24 Jun 94 17:13:10 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #306, Volume #2                Fri, 24 Jun 94 17:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  DataTech SCSI Card (Brian Freeman)
  Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha (Andrew Riebs)
  Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Slackware/Shadow Passwd. (William Beckner)
  Re: Can a DOS virus harm my linux partition? (Patrick Schaaf)
  Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware) (Alan Cox)
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (Harald Milz)
  How to split large tar file to fit on floppy (P Fennema HV018 x4174)
  Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware) (David Lesher)
  Re: DIP-3.3.7c (Eric Jui-Lin Lu)
  Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
  Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware) (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  Re: NETWORK--Outbound TELNET ok but Inbound TELNET fails (Houzhi S Jin)
  MIPS Board ? (Richard Ingram)
  Re: Novell to bundle DOS7/Linux ? (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
  Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware) (Anthony Lovell)

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From: bfreeman@nmsu.edu (Brian Freeman)
Subject: DataTech SCSI Card
Date: 21 Jun 1994 21:54:00 GMT

I recently got a DataTech SCSI card and am trying to use it with
Linux. Its an old card (I THINK SCSI-1) and I cant get linux to work
with it. I added all the SCSI support that the Slackware version comes
with and whenever it boots up, it says it cant find any SCSI drives. I
also tried to find drivers for it, but no luck. DOS recognizes it
fine, but not linux.

Anyone ever use one of these cards with linux, or have a similar
problem? A friend running linux said that there may be a problem with
me using an IDE controller too, but that doesnt sound right.

Any ideas?

Thanks

--
=======================================================================
=  Brian Manoel Freeman                   | bfreeman@nmsu.edu         =
=  New Mexico State University            |       or                  = 
=  CS Computer Operations Group           | brian@freedom.nmsu.edu    =
=======================================================================
"We ought never to do wrong....when others are looking."

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From: riebs@tanfl.amt.ako.dec.com (Andrew Riebs)
Subject: Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha
Date: 24 Jun 1994 13:08:30 GMT
Reply-To: riebs@tanfl.amt.ako.dec.com (Andrew Riebs)


In article <CrvF0t.12x@ns1.nodak.edu>, evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers) writes:

> NOTICE, this is an ALPHA "PC", not a AXP!!! Hopefully device drivers for 

"Alpha", "AXP", "Alpha AXP", "Alpha PC", etc., though all legally
incorrect ("incorrect usage", according to the trademark lawyers :-), all
refer to systems built around Digital's Alpha AXP chip.  So called Alpha
PC's are characterized by the use of common PC-style components for their
buses, disks, etc., but they are still built around the Alpha AXP cpu chip.

A number of us are pushing to get to the day where we can the world's only
*open* operating system, Linux, on the world's fastest desktop systems
(Alphas, of course) for our own use, and for anyone else who wants it.


-- 
Andy Riebs, Alpha Migration Tools Group |                (508)264-7854
Digital Equipment Corporation AKO2-1/G3 | (work) riebs@amt.ako.dec.com
"Opinions are mine, not my employer's"  | (home)  andy@freckles.mv.com

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 03:18:02 GMT

In article <CrvF0t.12x@ns1.nodak.edu>, evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers) says:
+---------------
| NOTICE, this is an ALPHA "PC", not a AXP!!! Hopefully device drivers for 
+------------->8

!!!CHOKE!!!  You mean the machine that DEC was only going to support NT on?!

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 03:21:10 GMT

In article <2ud890$l0l@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann) says:
+---------------
| bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
| : In article <2ucl0s$8hh@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann) says:
| : | Amen to that!  SQL is seriously botched.  How it got to be the 
| : | industry standard defies comprehension.  QUEL has its problems, God
| : 
| : Trivially:  IBM invented it, so everyone followed the (then) leader.
| 
| Superficially that explanation has some appeal, but IBM has invented
| a lot of things which did not come to dominate the world.  And not
+------------->8

Well, it didn't help that Oracle shipped their first version *before* IBM got
DB2 out the door...

I think part of it is also the supposedly "English-like" nature of the
language (which mysteriously vanishes when you go to write real-world queries
that require all sorts of garbage to work around SQL braindamage :-)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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From: wbeckner@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us (William Beckner)
Subject: Re: Slackware/Shadow Passwd.
Date: 23 Jun 1994 11:09:37 -0500

Niedner (niedner@petrus.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr) wrote:

>Seems to be a silly question, even to me, but i wasn't able to figure it out 
>for myself:

>DOES Slackware use shadow passwords?


>Thanks for any answer, and, better, a description of how to find this out.


>Sven

I'd also like to know what happened to the shadow passwords.  Linux 0.99 
had them, but 1.1.xx does not.  Is there an additional package and or 
diskette that needs to be installed?  

Also, Linux 0.99 login used a file called /etc/porttime.  Version 1.1.xx 
does not support it anymore. There's not even a man page (it used to 
exist on the older OS).  Is there a patch, fix, or is it something else 
completely different now?

Thanks in advance for all of your help!

--
=============================================================================
William Beckner - System Manager/SysAdmin     wbeckner@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us
                                              (309) 694-5513

Resource Sharing Alliance of West Central Illinois, Inc.
East Peoria, IL (USA)            "Off of Route 24 on the Information Highway"
=============================================================================

System Administration - 
    It's a dirty job, but somebody said I had to do it.

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From: bof@wg.saar.de (Patrick Schaaf)
Subject: Re: Can a DOS virus harm my linux partition?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 18:03:12 GMT

spin@netcom.com (Nancy Perry) writes:

>This may be a stupid question, but I just have to know.  If my 
>DOS partition gets a virus, is my linux partition in jeopardy?

If you run DOS, your Linux partition is in jeopardy. :)

Patrick

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:19:33 GMT

In article <Crrup0.39E@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>Not really. The lack of interest in Linux by major applications and
>hardware vendors can do that better than I can, whether or not you
>choose to ignore that fact of life. You want to argue with DigiBoard
>and Oracle and Ataptec and Borland, go ahead.

I don't care about Digiboards attitude - there are other drivers in Alpha
and Digiboard can either make sure decent specs are available (and people
will write the drivers needed) or watch as the other vendors for whom
Alpha test drivers come out. Most vendors are very helpful. I've had quite
interesting conversations with several about 'Can I get XX sale or return to
try with Linux iBCS2. Normally not only is the reply yes but also let us know
how well it works'. 

Oracle is looking promising under Linux. Adaptec provided good info for the
writing of the AHA SCSI drivers (and thats sold them at least 3 boards just
to friends of mine). As to Borland - no thanks I'll stick to gcc.

There are a few hardware people who have been unhelpful to say the least
including the well known diamond and Xfree86 matter and the Xircom network
adapters. Fine - they've got as much chance of selling me product as seagate
have disks after the sticky disk drive fiasco a few years back.

>How does that ad go? "You can pay me now, or pay me later..."

Or pay someone else. Which is part of what the GPL is about. Since after
90 days people like microsoft are now you've paid us once now pay us again
and again and again I don't see the difference.

>>Why not?  People have been running stuff on unsupported systems for
>>years.
>People, individuals, maybe. Big companies who depend on their computers
>to run the business, rarely.

Big companies regularly. Oh it may claim to be supported but its cheaper
to buy a different product and quicker to tour australia than to actual get
an answer from their 'support' phones.

>>If it works for what they want to do and it is cheaper, then
>>there is little reason why they won't use Linux to run "real"
>>applications.  There are people today using Linux to run "real"
>>applications, and I think that that is fine.
>
>How nice for them. Would they put their jobs on the line for it?

Linux is running hospitals, NASA projects, our mail hub, problem tracking
database, usenet and MIPS cross development. I have had mail from inside three
different 'national security' agencies and two of those I know for sure use
Linux internally.

Alan


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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 07:50:01 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

Cameron L. Spitzer (cls@truffula.sj.ca.us) wrote:
: > We can't spend tens of thousands of US dollars and divert critical
: > personnel based on a survey in a German magazine, or newsgroup Arbitron

This survey was conducted not by ourselves but by a well-known and 
well-respected survey company. They found that in the overall sample, 
around 7,000 linux users existed amongst the readers of iX in June 1993. 
This translated to 29% of the total audience. 6% of the overall sample used
Linux in a commercial environment. Now clearly not all Linux users in Germany
read iX (*sigh* ;^) . When comparing those numbers to the Linux Counter
and assuming that Germany was not the country with the highest number of
Linux users, there's clearly *far more* than 7,000 Linux users worldwide. 
Taking into account the exponential growth of Linux installations ...

: > ratings, which suggest the numbers might be higher.
: > (Or at least that's what the product managers tell me.)

They must be really asleep. Digiboard and Comtrol decided to release free 
drivers for their multiport boards. I don't think their decision was based
on 7,000 users worldwide ;^)


-- 
Harald Milz                             office: hm@ix.de
iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      home:   hm@seneca.ix.de
Opinions are mine, not my employer's -- the answer is Forty-two


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From: pfennem@hzsbe04.ns-nl.att.com (P Fennema HV018 x4174)
Subject: How to split large tar file to fit on floppy
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:47:15 GMT

Hello,

I know this sounds silly, but what is an efficient method to split
a large (gzipped) tar file into pieces which fit on a 1.44 MB floppy?
I know the concatenating is easy with 'cat', but splitting is a little
harder. I can do it with split, but this works with line numbers and 
I'd like to split exactly at the 1.44Mbyte limit of the floppy.

Please excuse me if this is not the appropiate newsgroup.

Regards,

Paul Fennema
pfennem@hzsbg01.att.com


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From: wb8foz@netcom.com (David Lesher)
Subject: Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware)
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:22:38 GMT

iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:

>Nothing says that usenet must be working with RFC822 addressing. 



|Request for Comments:  1036                       AT&T Bell Laboratories
|
|              Standard for Interchange of USENET Messages
|
{...}
|2.1.  Required Header lines
|
|2.1.1.  From
|
|    The "From" line contains the electronic mailing address of the
|    person who sent the message, in the Internet syntax.
|

And you could fix it -- add a Reply-To: header of your own.....

-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close...........(v)301 56 LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close)....kibo# 777............pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead..............vr....................20915-1433

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From: jlu@cs.umr.edu (Eric Jui-Lin Lu)
Subject: Re: DIP-3.3.7c
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:48:18 GMT

Hi *,

Maybe this is not related question, but ....

I'm happily using dip337-uri.  However, I'm still confused
by the commands/meanings that I can put into the script
file.  Can someone tell me if there is a command reference
anywhere so that I can learn more about dip? (I used man
dip, but don't think it's quite helpful.)  Thanks!!



  --Eric

In article <2uapvt$19d9@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>,
Uri Blumenthal <uri@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
>OK, an interim release of DIP-3.3.7-uri is out. It fixes
>a few [minor?] bugs, adds a couple of features, namely
>S/Key for those who are a bit hesitant to type their
>password in clear, and something else - I forgot
>what... Ypu'll find it all in the source, plus
>maybe README* files...
>
>Enjoy.
>--
>Regards,
>Uri.           uri@watson.ibm.com     N2RIU
>------------
><Disclaimer>


-- 
***************************************---       Grad. student          ---*
* Obviousness is always the enemy of  *   \     Jui-Lin Lu (Eric)      /   *
* correctness.  -- Bertrand Russell   *   /      jlu@cs.umr.edu        \   *
***************************************---   Univ. of Missouri-Rolla    ---*

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From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
Subject: Re: Looking for GNU-SQL (GSQL) for Onyx
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:23:13 GMT

In article <Crst40.Eq7@news.ess.harris.com>,
David C. Brown <dbrow42@rfc.comm.harris.com> wrote:
>I got University Ingres, and find it to be very nice for the price -- more
>than adequate for managing a set of databases at home.  But I'd really like
>to try using SQL.  I downloaded Onyx, but it requires something that it calls
              ^^^
>gnu-sql or gsql.  I don't see gnu-sql in archie, and searches for gsql turn
>up just something used for SQL over Mosaic.  

Unless you HAVE to use SQL (eg. job requirement) you are better off using
QUEL instead. I believe Onyx comes with an SQL interpreter written in sh.

Zeyd


-- 
---
Zeyd M. Ben-Halim       zmbenhal@netcom.com
10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281

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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Subject: Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware)
Date: 24 Jun 1994 10:31:30 +0200

In <1994Jun23.132848.11029@uk.ac.swan.pyr> 
 iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:

[in reply to wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)]

>Nothing says that usenet must be working with RFC822 addressing. Back in the
>old days it was a mixture of DARPA, UUCP and the odd X.29 address. If it _was_
>my host I'd have fixed it.

I don't think that you are on Usenet, but on JANET, which "uses 'backward' 
addressing from most other addressing" (from A Directory of Electronic 
Mail, ISBN 0-937175-15-3). Your messages are entering Usenet via a broken
gateway. According to my path line it must be one of 
 uknet!cf-cm!cybaswan!iiitac.
UKnet uses Usenet's addressing style. The Gateway must rewrite the headers.

OTOH it is possible that iitac is just misconfigured to attach _directly_
to Usenet instead via a gateway.

I know that gateways between JANET and Usenet exist, because sometimes I 
see messages like
 Path: ...!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!pete
 From: pete@physchem.ox.ac.uk (Pete Biggs)
 Message-ID: <1994Jun8.065655.2420@physchem.ox.ac.uk>
whereas the signature reads
 Pete Biggs :{)                         Janet: pete@uk.ac.ox.physchem
                                     Internet: pete@physchem.ox.ac.uk

I know that JANET's addressing style seems to be better than Usenet's,
but that doesn't matter any longer.
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  ws@xivic.bo.open.de
 Like all poets he was more used to talking about blood and gore 
 than actually getting his hands into it.
  -- Zelazny & Sheckley, Bring Me the Head of Prince Charming

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From: HZJ@ECL.PSU.EDU (Houzhi S Jin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: NETWORK--Outbound TELNET ok but Inbound TELNET fails
Date: 21 Jun 1994 23:40:23 GMT

In <1994Jun21.104859.5220@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr writes:

> In article <2u5amr$lhu@hearst.cac.psu.edu> HZJ@ECL.PSU.EDU (Houzhi S Jin) writes:
> >Hi, I am still having this problem (i.e., outbound TELNET or FTP works
> >fine but the inbound TELNET or FTP fails.  The inbound TELNET or FTP
> >will work for a few minutes after each outbound network access.)  I
> >saw a few other people posted message saying thwy had the same problem.
> >Have you guys solved this problem yet?  If so, what is the solution?
> 
> I've fold a load of people with misconfigured network routing that have this
> problem. People who should be running gated but aren't, people who shouldn't
> be running gated but who are, misconfigured campus routers all sorts.
> 
> Alan
>a

I am pretty sure that my network is configured correctly in terms of the
gateway, netmask, network address, and broadcast address (we have SGI
workstations that use the same network.)  As I mentioned, the inbound 
connection works fine for a few minutes after each outbound connection is 
made.  Anyone knows what the problem might be?
 

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From: rji@cheetah.inmos.co.uk (Richard Ingram)
Subject: MIPS Board ?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:52:53 GMT

Hello !

Last year I was on the mailing list for the Mips/Linux project, but lost my 
old account so lost many mailings.

Whatever happened to the project ? 

Seems a shame that ShaBlamm Computer have introduced such a MIPS based board 
for WinNT accelaration and fairly cheap as well.

So will Linux beable to make use of this ?

Thanks for any info.

Rich.





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From: king@wildebeest.cig.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: Novell to bundle DOS7/Linux ?
Date: 22 Jun 1994 14:52:28 GMT
Reply-To: king@cig.mot.com

uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) publicly declared:
>Yes!  The project is code-named "Bermuda Triangle".  Ray Noorda got the idea  
>from Bigfoot, whom he had stumbled across in the Utah mountains.  The latter  
>had just loaded Linux onto a Macintosh given him by the CIA and which [s]he  
>uses to track alien spacecraft rendezvousing about Devil's Tower.  Elvis  
>himself wrote the updated Soundblaster device driver.

Ever notice that the face on Mars bears a striking resemblance to 
Linus Torvalds?  And the crop circles in England, when viewed from
20,000 feet, look just like permission flags given by 'ls -l'!

                                      --Steven King
                                        Living in constant fear of
                                        "umount /dev/earth"

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk (Anthony Lovell)
Subject: Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:40:02 GMT

Martin Sohnius (msohnius@novell.co.uk) wrote:
: Alan Cox (iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr) wrote:
:                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: <snip>
: : Linux is running hospitals, NASA projects, our mail hub, problem tracking
:                                                  ^^^^^^^^
: : database, usenet and MIPS cross development. I have had mail from inside three
: : different 'national security' agencies and two of those I know for sure use
: : Linux internally.

: Thanks, but no!

As Alan is at a uk academic site his address is in the correct order 
I would have expected you to know that being sited in the uk your self

--

anthony

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