Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #305
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Date:     Fri, 24 Jun 94 11:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #305, Volume #2                Fri, 24 Jun 94 11:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Motif Owners: Xephem (Jonathan Magid)
  Re: XT disk controller still supported? (Bernard URBAN)
  Re: Need recommendation for SVGA card (Grant Edwards)
  Mosaic and WWW on LINUX (Howie Grapek)
  Xephem 2.5 available for FTP (Bob Kupiec)
  comp.os.linux.misc (max talebi)
  ext2fs - Max. size per partition (Chris Lo)
  Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha (Dwight M Evers)
  Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware) (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: future of Unixware (Eduard Marghidan)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (Ian McCloghrie)
  Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY? (Ron Smits)
  Re: what sound-cdrom combination is good ?? (Ron Smits)
  Re: Can a DOS virus harm my linux partition? (Mark A. Davis)

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From: jem@bittyblue.oit.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Motif Owners: Xephem
Date: 21 Jun 1994 18:42:49 GMT

In article <1994Jun21.000529.5905@tigger.jvnc.net>,
Bob Kupiec <kupiec@tigger.jvnc.net> wrote:
>If you have Motif on Linux, would you happen to have a binary of
>Xepehem 2.5?  Or would you be able to compile it for me?
>
>Both myself and many other Linux users would be grateful for this.

I've compiled a copy for Linux- I can make no guarrantee except that it
runs (I am not an astronomer, I just own motif).

It compiled out of the box, minus one modification- its definition of PI
(which is in double variable- not a define or a constant) conflicted with
the one in math.h.  I went with the math.h definition.

The binary is statically linked and available in 
/pub/Linux/Incoming/xephem-2.5.tar.gz on sunsite.unc.edu.

jem.


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From: urban@hathor.meteo.fr (Bernard URBAN)
Subject: Re: XT disk controller still supported?
Date: 24 Jun 1994 09:22:46 GMT

In article <2ucb48$7hg@cayman.Cayman.COM> pgf@cayman.com (Paul Fox) writes:

You write :

   From: pgf@cayman.com (Paul Fox)


   hi -- is the XT-style disk controller interface still supported in 
   the latest kernels?  can anyone vouch that it works?

   i need to get a bigger disk.  currently i have an MFM AT-controller.
   if i get an IDE disk (i have a controller), i need to quit using my
   MFM controller, so i lose the use of my current disks unless i can move
   them to an XT controller.

   the alternative is of course to be forced to spring for scsi controller
   and disk...

I have both an IDE controller with an AT-disk (/dev/hda) and a MFM controller
with a XT-disk (/dev/xda, build in 1986 !!). I need 2 little changes in the kernel
driver to make it work :
  1) Add the signature of the ROM of my controller to the predefined ones
  2) Switch from DMA transfert mode to PIO mode. (DMA mode locked sometimes
     access to the XT disk)     

This worked fine from kernel 0.99.10 to my current 1.0.8. Of course, access
is quite as slow as on a diskette...

B. Urban

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for SVGA card
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 18:11:33 GMT

Ziniu "Michael" Wei (ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: Grant Edwards (grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com) wrote:

: > Depends on what you're doing.  The extra memory is used by the server
: > as a font cache and for pixmaps, cursors, backing store, etc.  Having
: > _some_ extra memory is pretty much required, and having a bunch is
: > nice.

: I don't have much expertise on low lever X.  But I got confused how
: the frame buffer can be used as a font cache?  I can't imagine how
: it can be used for backing store, either.  'cause XFree 86 use the
: extra frame buffer memory for those "extra virtual display area, you
: know what I'm talking about".  Can any X guru give me an good
: explaination?  Thanks a lot!

If you define the virtual display so that it takes up all of your RAM, then
it can't use any of it for those purposes.  Some of the drivers require that
you have 1K free for the cursor bitmap.

If you have a 2M board, and define your virtual display as 1280x1024,
then you're using up 1,310,720 bytes of video RAM for the frame
buffer, and have 786,432 bytes of video RAM left over for "other"
usage.

Some window managers also provide "virtual desktops" that are bigger than
the "virtual display" size (which itself might be bigger than the physical
display).  This "virtual desktop" is managed using normal memory.

So, you might have a physical display of 800x600, a virtual display of
1280x1024, and a virtual desktop of 3x3 virtual displays (3840x3072).
And you would still have 700K of Video RAM that can be used for font
caching and pixmaps.

Confusing, isnt' it?

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  TAPPING?  You
Rosemount Inc.                                |POLITICIANS!  Don't you
                                              |realize that the END of the
grante@rosemount.com                          |``Wash Cycle'' is a TREASURED
                                              |MOMENT for most people?!

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From: howie@fc.hp.com (Howie Grapek)
Subject: Mosaic and WWW on LINUX
Date: 21 Jun 1994 18:46:25 GMT

Hi, 

I'm looking for people who have experiences using Mosaic and the WWW 
on Linux.  

Specifically, I'm interested in finding proponents of the setup and
use of Mosaic on Linux.  Anyone with good (and no so good) experiences
please reply to me with your experiences.

Initially, I am interested in peoples experiences on 
how difficult is it to set up, any tricks which can be passed along, etc.
Any other titbits (good or Bad) would be appreciated.
Any experiences with httpd and LYNX are also welcome.

I am embarking on setting up Mosaic on Linux, and have not seen any 
FAQs to help this one out (except from the Mosaic People).
I currently have slip working VERY well with my internet provider as
well as on a network which already has a http proxy set up.

Is there a FAQ for Mosaic on LINUX?  ( I haven't seen anything written
about it in the Linux Doc Project ).  Would there be any interest if
I collected experiences and distributed a FAQ about Mosaic and the WWW 
on Linux? 

I'd be happy to author it and own it.

Thanks, Howie

--
Howie Grapek, Contractor          __o          Hewlett Packard
Voice: (303) 229-2318           _ \<,_         3404 E. Harmony Road
FAX:   (303) 229-4977          (_)/ (_)        Fort Collins, Co  80525
                            howie@fc.hp.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x.motif
From: kupiec@tigger.jvnc.net (Bob Kupiec)
Subject: Xephem 2.5 available for FTP
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 23:25:16 GMT

In <1994Jun21.000529.5905@tigger.jvnc.net>, kupiec@tigger.jvnc.net writes:
>If you have Motif on Linux, would you happen to have a binary of
>Xephem 2.5?  Or would you be able to compile it for me?
>
>Both myself and many other Linux users would be grateful for this.
>
>Please send email or ftp a copy to: ftp.jvnc.net, in
>/priv/kupiec/incoming.

For all those who were looking for Xephem 2.5, a binary is now available at
ftp.jvnc.net in /priv/kupiec/xephem.  Thanks to all those who
responded so quickly to my call for help!

-- 
Bob Kupiec  (HAM: N3MML) Phone: 609-897-7319             JvNC (GES, Inc.)
Network Operations            & 800-35-TIGER x7319      3 Independence Way
Email: kupiec@jvnc.net    Fax : 609-897-7310            Princeton, NJ 08540

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From: mtalebi@netcom.com (max talebi)
Subject: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 03:05:43 GMT


Does anyone know any ftp sites for downloading the linux OS. I heard you can runthis OS on 386 PC w/ 4-8 Meg. RAM, any Idea anyone.

Thanks.
-- 
Max R. Talebi@netcom.com
                                             mtalebi@netcom.com

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From: cklo@hkucs92.air.org (Chris Lo)
Subject: ext2fs - Max. size per partition
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 11:54:10 GMT
Reply-To: cklo@hkucs92.air.org

Hi there,

I'm trying to find out the max. limit of ext2fs. Since I could
probably be able to loan a huge storage system as large as > 4GB.
(note: 9GB drives are now avaiable)

Please e-mail my address. Thanks.

--
Chris Lo
cklo@hkucs92.air.org
Association for Internet Resources
Hong Kong


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From: evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers)
Subject: Re: Linux on the DEC Alpha
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:16:36 GMT

Alan Herrlich (herrlich@ptpm21.tay1.dec.com) wrote:
: In article <CrvF0t.12x@ns1.nodak.edu> evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers) writes:

: >   NOTICE, this is an ALPHA "PC", not a AXP!!! Hopefully device drivers for 
>>>SNIP<<<
: I suspect Dwight is making the destinction between the larger Alpha's,
: some of which only run OpenVMS or OSF/1, and the smaller Alpha's, some
: of which are extremely PC like hardware-wise. All these machines are
: based on the Alpha AXP chip. I suspect that if Linux ran on the "PC"'s
: it would run on at least some of the larger Alpha AXP's...  especially
: on the ones that run Windows NT. Of course, Linux might have trouble
: with the multi-processor Alpha AXP's. :-)
You are CORRECT! The ALPHA I use runs that wonderful little thing you DEC 
people call OpenVMS. It has been mine as well as others opinions, that 
OpenVMS is far from a perfect system to exploit the power of the ALPHA.
Maybe this is _ONE_ of the reasons that contributed to the DEC 
involvement w/ Linus. Just a speculation...

: Alan Herrlich
: Disclaimer: It is not my job to know Digital's hardware nor am I in
: any way a Digital spokesperson.
Alan, I can't help but wonder if even the people who are supposed to 
know, even have a clue some times. DEC hardware is damn nice! But I think 
that I can speak for a few when I say that the sofware and OS they 
provide might not be up to their hardware standards.

============================================================================
                        |       "...peace is a thing which a person
Dwight M. Evers         |           must be willing to fight for..."
evers@plains.NoDak.edu  |
        NDSU            |                       -Abe Lincoln
============================================================================
REMEMBER: Friends don't let Friends use DOS... Choose 32bit!!!

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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 02:41:28 GMT

hutch@cs.concordia.ca (HUTCHINSON jonathan) writes:

>Everyone is talking about Wordperfect for X-Windows, but when I went to the 
>site all Icould not find anything for Linux (the closest was for SCO)

>Could anybody point me in the right direction please (ie ftp site and the 
>directory it is in) 

:)  Don't you know that WordPerfect is a commercial product?
If you mean the demo program, it is for SCO, but can run under Linux using
the COFF/IBCS support.  WordPerfect can be bought for many Unixen through
your favorite Unix software vendor (the list includes SCO, SUN-OS, Solaris,
HP/UX, Unixware, AIX, and others)
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 02:50:28 GMT

jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne) writes:

>You know, all this talk about source for commercial software has me thinking
>about an idea I has a while ago again.  In an organized manner, perhaps by 
>a mail counter, register potential purchasers of commercial software ported
>to Linux, and present one "lobby group" face to the comunity.

>What do you think?  Feel free to flame if I'm way off base, but by the
>response to the iBCS2 project, I think it would be a good thing for 
>the future, and the image, of Linux.

I, for one, think it is a good idea.  Those who think commercial software
is "evil" should get a clue.  Those who think there is no market for
commercial software for Linux are probably in the dark.  Not paying for
an OS does *not* necessarily mean people will not pay REASONABLE prices
for software to run under it (I stress reasonable).

The interest is now growing DUE to the iBCS2 project.  The reason is that
we should expect that large software companies are not going to be interested
in porting software to the ever changing Linux.  But, the iBCS2 project
offers the hope that perhaps the SCO or plain X86 Unix versions of their
software could run with little or no modification.  There is a much greater
chance of getting them to support THAT concept, with some new install
scripts and release notes than their spending lots of development time on a
moving target.....

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  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:09:23 GMT

In article <Crt3pA.7Dr@novell.co.uk>, msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius) says:
+---------------
| Alan Cox (iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr) wrote:
|                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| : Linux is running hospitals, NASA projects, our mail hub, problem tracking
|                                                  ^^^^^^^^
| Thanks, but no!
+------------->8

His problem is that JANET is bass-ackwards :-) ...it has nothing to do with
Linux.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: eduard@qdeck.com (Eduard Marghidan)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 18:14:06 GMT

     Martin Sohnius wrote in article <CrrooM.HMw@novell.co.uk> :
>
>Eduard Marghidan (eduard@qdeck.com) wrote:
>:      James Logajan wrote in article <jameslCr7Cvp.Mu6@netcom.com> :
>: >: +---------------
>: >: | You would be surprised how many people use Unix at work and do not know it.
>: >: +------------->8
>: >
>: >
>: >I seem to recall that either MacDonalds or Burger King (I forget which)
>: >used Xenix on their front counter order-entry systems. Maybe to get Unix
>: >experience, a person should flip burgers :-)
>: >
>
>: I've done a bit of observing this phenomena. Her's what I found:
>
>: 7-Eleven uses an embedded SCO SVR4 application.
>: Wells Fargo Bank uses Tektronix terminals with Motif and a color text-based application.
>: AMC movie theaters use an MS-Windows application.
>: Merril-Lynch uses DESQview/X and Motif, to display Motif clients running off SunOS
>: and HP/UX.
>
>: I find it pretty fascinating...
>
>: Eduard
>: /* expressing my own views */
>
>What a life, Eduard!  After all this drudgery from bank to stock-broker,
>and to the movies, you then get your nourishment from 7-eleven?
>
>--
>                        +--------------------------------------------+
>Martin Sohnius          | "The Information Superhighway"             |
>Novell Labs Europe      | voted "Word of the Year 1993"              |
>Bracknell, England      | by the American Dialect Society.           |
>+44-344-724031          |            - The Wall Street Journal -     |
>                        +--------------------------------------------+
>                        (I speak for myself, not for Novell or anyone else.)
>

Well, you're lucky that I was browsing this group so I can answer your question.
I also watch the World Cup games and that is sponsored by Sun Microsystems.
And what's more important is that most of my friends still run MS-DOS 3.3 on old
AT machines. But, sorry to say, I haven't seen many Unixware systems being used
in the commercial world. ;-(

Eduard
/* expressing my own views */

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From: imcclogh@cs.ucsd.edu (Ian McCloghrie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
Date: 22 Jun 94 18:02:43 GMT
Reply-To: ian@ucsd.edu

mabramso@Emerald.tufts.edu (bill bass) writes:

>I am prolly wrong, but are you talking about a sparc 10?
>I run linux on a dx33 (hoping to get a p90 tower :) and it really bogs 
>down in mutil user mmode.  HOw does the pentium keep up with mutil users 

How much memory do you have?  If your answer's less than 16M (at a
minumum) then I'm really not surprised at all.  32M would be even
better.

--
____
\bi/  Ian McCloghrie      | FLUG:  FurryMUCK Linux User's Group
 \/   email: ian@ucsd.edu | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club
GCS (!)d-(--) p c++ l++(+++) u+ e-(soon) m+ s+/+ n+(-) h- f+ !g w+ t+ r y*

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY?
Date: 22 Jun 1994 00:28:59 GMT

>>>>> "David" == David Flood <dcflood@u.washington.edu> writes:

    David> Before re-inventing the wheel, I am looking for the source
    David> code of a program that works like the messy-dos program
    David> XCOPY.  Anyone know of one?

I presume that you are asking this because you want to copy a
directory tree with all the subdirectories and have the program create
the directories if they do not exist. I always do this with cpio:
        cd sourcedir
        find . -depth -print | cpio -pvdum targetdir

Works good, hope this helps
--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: what sound-cdrom combination is good ??
Date: 22 Jun 1994 00:32:19 GMT

Today I bought myself a Sony cd33a CD-ROM. It had a interface card
with it. Popped it in the machine, recompiled the kernel (1.1.20) and
it worked great!! This is the drive that can be used with it's own
card and with a soundblaster pro card. I can strongly suggest it. If
only all hardware installations were as easy as this one
--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Can a DOS virus harm my linux partition?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:14:17 GMT

rnichols@ih4ehw.ih.att.com (na8520d00-Nichols) writes:

>In article <1994Jun24.012255.4144@taylor.infi.net>,
>Mark A. Davis <mark@taylor.infi.net> wrote:
>>spin@netcom.com (Nancy Perry) writes:
>>
>>>This may be a stupid question, but I just have to know.  If my 
>>>DOS partition gets a virus, is my linux partition in jeopardy?
>>
>>Not if you don't boot up MS-"DOS" after that point :)

>A DOS virus could use absolute disk writes to corrupt any part of the
>drive.  It wouldn't be able to do anything meaningful with files in a

But that is not a fun answer!
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  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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