Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #298
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Linux-Misc Digest #298, Volume #2                Thu, 23 Jun 94 00:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware) (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
  Re: Linux.... On a Sparc? (bill bass)
  Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY? (Vince Giambalvo)
  Re: Mosaic and WWW on LINUX (Alan Osborne)
  Re: NETWORK--Outbound TELNET ok but Inbound TELNET fails (Jude Giampaolo)
  Re: Mosaic and WWW on LINUX (Alan Osborne)
  Re: Using floppy tapes under Linux? (Kit-pui Wong  kpwong@cuhk.hk)
  AX25 and newer 1.1 kernels (Sean McCarthy)
  Re: S3 Support - A bit lacking? (John Lellis)
  Re: Mosaic and WWW on LINUX (Frerk Meyer)
  Re: What other notebooks does Linux run on well? (Martin Ouwehand EPFL-SIC/SE)
  Re: NETWORK--Outbound TELNET ok but Inbound TELNET fails (Kevin Martinez)
  LATEST VERSION OF SLACKWARE??? (Serge Solski u)
  SLIP sessions HANGING (Bill Heiser)
  MT graphics package (mastert)
  Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY? (Reginald D Hody)
  Re: comp.os.linux.misc (Reginald D Hody)
  DELL-66 and/or NEC-6FPG Xconfig, please (Todd Smith)
  ELM source (David G. Komlosy)
  Re: Re: 700 Linux Boxes (Anthony Awtrey)
  Re: Linux on Compaq Contura Aero (Kevin B. Fluet)
  BUG: ReRead Partition Table (HIGGINS@DELBOX.ZER.DE)

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From: romanov@alex.nacto.lkg.dec.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: Multiport Bored and Linux (Was: future of Unixware)
Date: 21 Jun 1994 14:32:09 GMT

In article <WAYNE.94Jun20223757@backbone.uucp> wayne@cse.unl.edu writes:
>
>Why not?  People have been running stuff on unsupported systems for
>years.  If it works for what they want to do and it is cheaper, then
>there is little reason why they won't use Linux to run "real"
>applications.  There are people today using Linux to run "real"
>applications, and I think that that is fine.

I am application developer with some past experience working for PC UNIX
reseller, here are my $0.02 about "real" level of support which can be
obtained from for the supported OS.

What is the "real" level of support one can expect from OS vendor ?

It is practically nil, ever in case you have expensive support contract:
in most cases vendor will call you back a week later and aknowledge that
there is a bug which will be fixed in the next release scheduled for next
year. For all questions which can be answered by vendor, one can get
much better support from the net. IMHO, Linux is miles ahead of others
from the support point of view. 

How stable is "real" OS ?

In 1990-1994 there were at least one major release of each "real" UNIX'es : 
    
           HP-UX:  8 -> 9 -> 10
           SunOS:  4 -> Solaris 1 -> Solaris 2
           SVRx.y: 3.2 -> 4.0 -> 4.2

Each of them introduced new bugs and compatibility problems, moreover
OS vendors do not have enough resources to fix bugs in their stuff due
to the fact that they are overloaded with ne development. IMHO, Linux
is also has an edge here. IMHO, it will be more stable over period of
5 years.

Application support: there are practically two applications in wide use
C-compiler and data bases. If Linux people will make any one of major data
bases to run reliably on Linux, they will get even with the rest of the UNIX
world.

Am I using Linux - no, it is not there yet, but it is coming.

BTW & IMHO, Linux is the only UNIX-like OS which can survive competition
with NT.


>-wayne

Aleksey



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: mabramso@Emerald.tufts.edu (bill bass)
Subject: Re: Linux.... On a Sparc?
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:36:57 GMT

Leonard N. Zubkoff (lnz@dandelion.com) wrote:
: In article <2u5s4j$ch1@uc.msc.edu> alk@et.msc.edu (Anthony L. Kimball) writes:

:    I've been thinking about getting rid of the sparc, and picking up a
:    pentium, simply because of Linux, but the loss of muscle would hurt.

: Loss of muscle??  My personal Pentium-90 system feels and measures faster than
: the SparcStation 10 Model 41 I have at the office.

I am prolly wrong, but are you talking about a sparc 10?
I run linux on a dx33 (hoping to get a p90 tower :) and it really bogs 
down in mutil user mmode.  HOw does the pentium keep up with mutil users 
on at oncce?  The sparc we have a schoool can have 50 users on it, and it 
is still zippy.


-- 
===============================*boink*=============================
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From: vgiambal@nmsu.edu (Vince Giambalvo)
Subject: Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY?
Date: 22 Jun 1994 13:42:00 GMT

>   I presume that you are asking this because you want to copy a
>   directory tree with all the subdirectories and have the program create
>   the directories if they do not exist. I always do this with cpio:
           cd sourcedir
           find . -depth -print | cpio -pvdum targetdir
>   Works good, hope this helps
Yikes! Glad this works for you, but most of us would never have
thought of anything like this. How about
         cp -R sourcedir targetdir

Infact cp can to everything that xcopy does, I think. I never used
xcopy, since my dos experience ended with version 3.3.
                   Vince


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From: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk (Alan Osborne)
Subject: Re: Mosaic and WWW on LINUX
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:25:20 +0000

Alan Osborne (alan@osborne.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: on Linux as on any Unix in general.  I've already had to give up

er.. PS except patches 20 and maybe 21, of course ;-)

--
Alan


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From: giampaol@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Jude Giampaolo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: NETWORK--Outbound TELNET ok but Inbound TELNET fails
Date: 22 Jun 1994 13:55:43 GMT

In article <2u5amr$lhu@hearst.cac.psu.edu> HZJ@ECL.PSU.EDU (Houzhi S Jin) writes:
>Hi, I am still having this problem (i.e., outbound TELNET or FTP works
>fine but the inbound TELNET or FTP fails.  The inbound TELNET or FTP
>will work for a few minutes after each outbound network access.)  I
>saw a few other people posted message saying thwy had the same problem.
>Have you guys solved this problem yet?  If so, what is the solution?

Its a hack, but I put the following in my rc.local:

ping -i 20 donald > /dev/null &

OF course you should replace donald with some other local host.....



-- 
Jude Charles Giampaolo           -   Case Western Reserve University
Electrical Engineering           -                  jcg8@po.cwru.edu 
and Applied Physics              -   giampaol@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu
 'The missing mass of the universe is really lost airline luggage.'

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From: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk (Alan Osborne)
Subject: Re: Mosaic and WWW on LINUX
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:10:07 +0000

Howie Grapek (howie@fc.hp.com) wrote:
: Hi, 

: I'm looking for people who have experiences using Mosaic and the WWW 
: on Linux.  

Well, this time I'm going to say it :

Please - your posting has nothing whatsoever to do with Linux in
particular.   WWW clients and servers work as advertised the same
on Linux as on any Unix in general.  I've already had to give up
taking the c.o.l.help group because of all the noise.

--
Alan


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From: kpwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Kit-pui Wong  kpwong@cuhk.hk)
Subject: Re: Using floppy tapes under Linux?
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 03:03:45 GMT

Hi Steve,

I am running in an opposite direction.  :)
I am about to give up my Qic 80 floppy tape 
(AIWA ???803) since I can't get it working
stably in my Linux box (1.1.19) even I have 
reading a lot of HOWTOs, FAQs, InternetNews, 
e tc. I am going to try a Qic02 tape drive 
(Cipher ST-350, QFA-700). 

How difficult (or impossible!) to get a Qic02 
drive working on Linux ? 

We better go for a SCSI/DAT drive if we have
sufficient budget.  ;-)

It seems that no NON-SCSI tape drive works
well in Linux.   :( 

Good Luck,
KiT


In comp.os.linux.misc you write:

>I'm about to give up on my QIC-02 drive and am thinking of replacing
>it with a floppy tape drive.  I have two floppy disk drives already,
>does the floppy tape drive *replace* one of these, or can I have
>three floppy devices?  (I'm assuming I have to replace one of the
>floppy disks, right?)  Is there anything I should watch out for when
>getting a floppy tape drive?

>My QIC-02 drive has never worked reliably with Linux, with 1.0.8, it
>now rewinds right off the end of the tape!


swampler@noao.edu () writes:

>I'm about to give up on my QIC-02 drive and am thinking of replacing
>it with a floppy tape drive.  I have two floppy disk drives already,
>does the floppy tape drive *replace* one of these, or can I have
>three floppy devices?  (I'm assuming I have to replace one of the
>floppy disks, right?)  Is there anything I should watch out for when
>getting a floppy tape drive?

>My QIC-02 drive has never worked reliably with Linux, with 1.0.8, it
>now rewinds right off the end of the tape!

>Thanks for any help!
>-- 
>Steve Wampler
>swampler@gemini.edu
>Gemini Project (under AURA)

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From: wx8l@vtc.tacom.army.mil (Sean McCarthy)
Subject: AX25 and newer 1.1 kernels
Date: 21 Jun 1994 19:48:05 -0400

Does ax25 work with the newer kernels ( >1.1.16)
If yes, what do I need to get/do
Ive tried ax25017 and ax25021, no luck

Thanks Sean



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From: lellis@dmccorp.com (John Lellis)
Subject: Re: S3 Support - A bit lacking?
Date: 22 Jun 1994 15:30:05 GMT

Mark van Hoeij (hoeij@sci.kun.nl) wrote:
: In article <CrIoDv.74t@madhouse.demon.co.uk>, andy@madhouse.demon.co.uk (Andrew Bray) writes:

: >>The text-only tty just doesn't display very much information in
: >>80x25, and looks downright funny on my 17 inch monitor.
: > 
: > Even funnier on my 21".  Its a shame I can't use X at a resolution
: > higher that 1024x768

: You haven't read Videomodes.doc

Sounds like a good doc to read.  Where do I find it?  I just did a

                        ll -R / | grep Videomodes

and got nothing.  If you would just point us less privileged in the right
direction maybe we could help outselves out...

--

John Lellis (lellis@dmccorp.com)

--
... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore
strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4.




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From: frerk@educat.hu-berlin.de (Frerk Meyer)
Subject: Re: Mosaic and WWW on LINUX
Date: 22 Jun 1994 08:55:53 GMT
Reply-To: frerk@educat.hu-berlin.de

In <2u7ci1$n8i@tadpole.fc.hp.com>, howie@fc.hp.com (Howie Grapek) writes:
>Hi, 
>
>I'm looking for people who have experiences using Mosaic and the WWW 
>on Linux.  
                  howie@fc.hp.com

Our WWW Server (see below) is running very well under Linux 1.0. We use
our Linux Box as a development Workplace too with Mosaic 2.4 with great
satisfaction. I simply installed the binary distributions for Linux without
hassle, and there were no Linux specific difficulties.
So IMHO there is no need for a WWW/Mosaic FAQ on Linux.

Perhaps Linux Distribution CD-ROMs should wear a sticker saying:
"YES, it runs with WWW&Mosaic!"

---
Frerk Meyer <frerk@educat.hu-berlin.de>
Department for Computers in Education
"http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~frerk/frerk.html"

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From: velo@sesun3.epfl.ch (Martin Ouwehand EPFL-SIC/SE)
Subject: Re: What other notebooks does Linux run on well?
Date: 21 Jun 1994 10:10:44 GMT

In Article <GTAYLOR.94Jun13160704@god.ext.tufts.edu>,
gtaylor@god.ext.tufts.edu (Grant Taylor) wrote:

    A friend of mine is interested in getting Linux up on a notebook.
    I've read the Hardware-HOWTO, and its notebook section is kind of
    sketchy, and none of them looks like the sort he wants to buy.


Have a look at the file "laptop-survey". It must be on tsx11; using Archie
I found it also on ftp.engr.ucf.edu, in the directory

        /pub/linux-mirrors/tsx11/packages/laptops.


--
Martin

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: Kevin Martinez <lps@rahul.net>
Subject: Re: NETWORK--Outbound TELNET ok but Inbound TELNET fails
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 02:09:41 GMT

HZJ@ECL.PSU.EDU (Houzhi S Jin) writes:

>Hi, I am still having this problem (i.e., outbound TELNET or FTP works
>fine but the inbound TELNET or FTP fails.  The inbound TELNET or FTP
>will work for a few minutes after each outbound network access.)  I
>saw a few other people posted message saying thwy had the same problem.
>Have you guys solved this problem yet?  If so, what is the solution?


Upgrading my kernel from 1.1.0 to 1.1.18 seemed to make this problem go 
away. Before that, I wrote a daemon, "lamerd" to run at boottime. It 
was just a shell script to tcpspray a certain Sparc on another subnet 
several times per minute. I understand that when the Sparc would slow 
down, the operator would power it down then up as a fix. ;^)
-- 
========================================================================
 Kevin Martinez    lps@rahul.net    Member of the Julie Kangas Fan Club
 Work: 1 800 50 SATAN                              Home: 1 510 676 1111
========================================================================

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From: sols7520@mach1.wlu.ca (Serge Solski u)
Subject: LATEST VERSION OF SLACKWARE???
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 15:31:43 GMT


        A local store has Trans-Ameritech Slackware for $50. It's version
1.2 from April '94. Is this the latest version? Is it a stable
distribution? Any distributions that may be better?


        -Mark
-- 
"Key chuckles. 'If Skinny Puppy, in terms of the movie _Alien_, is a
chest-burster, then Doubting Thomas is more of a face-hugger,' he informs,
as if that were an explanation."
                                                        -Keyboard, Jan '92

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From: bill@bhhome.ci.net (Bill Heiser)
Subject: SLIP sessions HANGING
Date: 23 Jun 1994 01:17:45 GMT

I am running [trying to run] essentially a full-time SLIP connection to
my Internet Service Provider (ISP) using a Microcom FAST 28.8 modem.  The
modem at the other end is a Microcom ES 28.8.  I have recently started having
troubles with the SLIP session HANGING.  The carrier doesn't drop, but
individual sessions using the SLIP session hang.  Most susceptible seems
to be INBOUND TELNET.  I'll be in the middle of typing something or receiving
a screen of text, and it will just stop, "never" to continue.  The other day
I also experienced this type of thing during a download of an 800kb file using 
Mosaic.

My configuration is as follows:

  486 DX2/66
  32mb ram
  256kb cache
  three scsi disks (maxtor 8760s, maxtor 8345s, cdc wren iv)
  archive 2150s tape
  Buslogic BT-445S scsi HA
  ATI Graphics Ultra

I am presently running PL 1.1.21.  The same symptoms existed in 1.1.19.
(I skipped 1.1.20 after a brief trial because mosaic broke in that release).

The symptoms *seem* to have started at around the time I upgraded to 32mb
memory from 16mb.  Yet other things work and don't seem to be adversely
affected!

Is anyone else running a similar environment?  Similar symptoms/problems?

Bill

-- 
Bill Heiser:    bill@bhhome.ci.net

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From: mastert <mastert@shoreline.ca>
Subject: MT graphics package
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 22:23:44 GMT

Does anyone know where this X-windows MT 3d package is located?


mastert@shoreline.ca


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From: hodyrd@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Reginald D Hody)
Subject: Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY?
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:16:01 GMT

> >>>>> "David" == David Flood <dcflood@u.washington.edu> writes:
>     David> Before re-inventing the wheel, I am looking for the source
>     David> code of a program that works like the messy-dos program
>     David> XCOPY.  Anyone know of one?

I've missed the start of this thread, but I've always found the
magical incantation (cd fromdir; tar cf - .) | (cd todir; tar xf -) to
be acceptable. However, I assume that you are trying to recreate
XCOPY, so this would be no help.
-- 

                                        reg
(hodyrd@tuns.ca)

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From: hodyrd@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Reginald D Hody)
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:24:00 GMT

Brad Pitzel (pitzel@cs.sfu.ca) wrote:
> In <mtalebiCrs39p.8FI@netcom.com> mtalebi@netcom.com (max talebi) writes
> >Does anyone know any ftp sites for downloading the linux OS. I heard you can
> >run this OS on 386 PC w/ 4-8 Meg. RAM, any Idea anyone.
> >Max R. Talebi@netcom.com
> >                                             mtalebi@netcom.com

> Linux? Nope, never heard of it.

> :-):-):-):-):-)
> --brad
That was *really* cruel Brad. I assume that you sent him mail on the
subject. 
-- 

                                        reg
(hodyrd@tuns.ca)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: mtsmith@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Todd Smith)
Subject: DELL-66 and/or NEC-6FPG Xconfig, please
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:54:08 GMT


If you have either a DELL or an NEC-6FPG I would like
to recieve a copy of your Xconfig file.

Thanks in advance

Todd Smith
mtsmith@vision1.engr.utk.edu
University of Tennessee Knoxville

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From: dgk5@po.CWRU.Edu (David G. Komlosy)
Subject: ELM source
Date: 22 Jun 1994 14:37:35 GMT
Reply-To: dgk5@po.CWRU.Edu (David G. Komlosy)


Does any one know where I can get the ELM source.  Or how can I disable the
shell command ('!').

Thanks in advance
Dave
dgk5@po.cwru.edu

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From: tony@knight.tbaaim.com (Anthony Awtrey)
Subject: Re: Re: 700 Linux Boxes
Date: 22 Jun 1994 09:36:55 -0500

Here, Here! Well said Mark Horton! (This refers to post# 9179) I can't
fault your logic or your message. Long live King linus!!

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| tony@knight.tbaaim.com  | Automated Info Mgt, Inc  |    FAX: (713) 589-2013 |
===============================================================================

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From: kevin@valis.worldgate.edmonton.ab.ca (Kevin B. Fluet)
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq Contura Aero
Date: 22 Jun 1994 15:14:22 -0600

albayrak@cc.helsinki.fi writes:

>In comp.os.linux.misc david@ms.oks.fujitsu.co.jp (David Shen) wrote:

>>Is there anyone running Linux on Contura Aero?

>       I am and also many others. Here is very first Alfa version
>       of Aero-FAQ but it might contain some bugs and type errors.
>       Hope it can give any help.

You have '?' under the XFree86 compatibility.  Does X not run?

-- Kevin

============================================================
Kevin Fluet                WorldGate Public Access Internet
fax: (403) 444-7720         kevin@worldgate.edmonton.ab.ca      
email info@worldgate.edmonton.ab.ca for rates and other info

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,de.comp.os.linux
From: HIGGINS@DELBOX.ZER.DE
Subject: BUG: ReRead Partition Table
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:18:00 +0200

Frank Westheider         Linux Support Group Paderborn
higgins@uni-paderborn.de     higgins@delbox.zer
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Folks !

I just found a bug in the BLKRRPART function.
This function is called from fdisk to reread the partition-table
of the modified device. But creating a extended-partition (not ext2-fs !)
is not recognized from the apropriate function, only the primary- 
partitions are updated. I recognized this with SCSI-Disk, don't know
about IDE-disks, there exist different reread-functions for the various  
disk-types.
So i call the kernel-hackers. Is this known, should it be so or what ?


Ciao
  Higgins

--
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         USE LINUX   :-)     !
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