Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #292
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Date:     Mon, 20 Jun 94 17:13:59 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #292, Volume #2                Mon, 20 Jun 94 17:13:59 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows (Alan Cox)
  Re: S3 Support - A bit lacking? (l_kbb@vb.nwl.ac.uk)
  Needed: HPGL or ps -> .gif software
  Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ... (Robert Wolf)
  Re: future of Unixware (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Reagan Blundell)
  INGRES access (Roy Hann)
  sco motif/iBCS/Linux ?? (Cyrill Vatomsky)
  Re: what sound-cdrom combination is good ?? (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Cobol (Felix v.Leitner)
  Re: Video Card Reviews (Shane Jensen)
  Video Card Reviews (Shane Jensen)
  .... SB16 SCSI-II and a CD drive, again! .... (Analytical Methods {NWNet})
  Re: Support for modem based on IBM's MWAVE chip??? (Michael W. Small)
  Re: Linux Journal issue #3 (July) (Stephen Parkinson)
  Re: S3 Support - A bit lacking? (Brian Wellington)
  Re: Linux/TMS320C30 experience ? (Alberto Vignani)

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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:48:42 GMT

In article <1994Jun18.040135.28691@escape.widomaker.com> shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:
>I also wish I could get software without paying for user support.  I
>don't need it, why should I pay for it?  There should be several
>changes in commercial software:
>
>* source code provided
Not yet very common unfortunately.
>* support should be unbundled if you don't need it or only need
>  minimal support
Everyone is going this way. The price war can only be maintained by charging
elsewhere after you have the user caught. 
>* old software that is no longer sold should be given to the public 
>  domain.  Locking old code away or destroying it is STUPID

Its not stupid. For most jobs the old stuff is far smaller faster and better.

Alan




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From: l_kbb@vb.nwl.ac.uk
Subject: Re: S3 Support - A bit lacking?
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 15:32:09 GMT

In article <CrIoDv.74t@madhouse.demon.co.uk>, andy@madhouse.demon.co.uk (Andrew Bray) writes:
> In article <2tpahjINNsen@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> paul@holmes.ece.orst.edu (Paul Stoffregen) writes:
>>I've got an S3 card (which is quite speedy under X, but cost < $140),
>>but quite often I switch over to a good 'ole tty.  I've tried several
>>times to get something higher than 80x25 in text mode, including an
>>attempt tonight.  Typing 'rdev -v /vmlinuz -#' where I try dozens of
>>different numbers seems to have no effect whatsoever.  I also tried
>>configuring lilo to set the video mode, but with little success.
> 
> I had the same problem with my S3 based Spea/V7 Mirage.
> The only fix I found was to hack the Linux start up code to recognise
> my VGA BIOS, and offer extra video modes.

Could you share what you did, as my couple of hours playing with the
VGA clock registers failed to get me anthing other than standard VGA
with my S3 based Spea/V7 Mirage. I only have 40 Mbytes for Linux, so
rebuilding anything large may be a bit of a problem.

> 
>>The text-only tty just doesn't display very much information in
>>80x25, and looks downright funny on my 17 inch monitor.
> 
> Even funnier on my 21".  Its a shame I can't use X at a resolution
> higher that 1024x768 to take advantage of this extra size
> (my card has 1MB RAM, and isn't upgradable).
> 
Are we still talking "S3 based Spea/V7 Mirage". Mines got 2MB ram
(it was upgradable!).

Ta. Kevin
l_kbb@vb.nwl.ac.uk

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From: boyle@mantis.chem.unb.ca ()
Subject: Needed: HPGL or ps -> .gif software
Date: 20 Jun 1994 15:21:38 GMT

I'm looking for software which will take a HPGL or a postscript
plotter file and produce a .gif file.  I've looked at a recent
sunsite INDEX file, but I haven't found anything.  If anyone can
point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Paul

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From: acc-corp@tigger.jvnc.net (Robert Wolf)
Subject: Re: Only 7000 Linux boxes, Re: Multiport Bored ...
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 03:44:04 GMT

In Article <1994Jun14.035515.3041@truffula.sj.ca.us>, cls@truffula.sj.ca.us
(Cameron L. Spitzer) wrote:
>In article <1994Jun13.134758.13245@frmug.fr.net> bernard@cpio1.frmug.fr.net
(Bernard Fouche) writes:
>Argh!  I work for (but don't speak for!) a major manufacturer of
>boards for PCs.
>As far as I can tell, the *ONLY* reason we have not already developed,
>tested, documented, released, and field-supported performance-optimized
>Linux drivers is that the best data we can get say there are less than
>7000 actual Linux systems in use!  That data is from the Linux Counter
>project

Your marketing people are asleep at the switch.

If they are relying on the world to bring new opportunities to their door
and knock then they are not doing their job.  As a "marketing-dweeb" myself,
I find the Linux market fascinating for the very fact that there is no good
hard data to base market size and growth rate data on.

But there is a lot of strong anecdotal data.

Including the size of the readership of the Linux Newsgroups.  Compare it to
this group.
Or check in with any computing department of any university.

Or, my favorite, count the number of Linux CD roms being printed and sold
per month.  While this is proprietary information of the CD rom Vendors, as
a reseller we get a glimpse of this data.

You will be interested to note that in May 94 there were enough Linux-on-CD
sold to more than double your "total number of Linux sites" in the one
month.  Also interesting is that the May sales of Linux on CD were greater
than the total sales of Linux-on-CD for all of 1993.  

Keep in mind: most Linux users have downloaded the system off the net, and
there are no copy restrictions on Linux, ie single CD can be used to load
the OS on dozens, or hundreds of machines - all perfectly legally.

When was the last time your marketing guys had the opportunitiy to build
products for a market suffering exponential growth rates?

Or (if your marketing guys only relate to other marketing guys) get them to
call me.

Cheers,  Bob

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 16:00:59 GMT

In article <2u39kg$5tq@u.cc.utah.edu>, terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) says:
+---------------
| In article <1994Jun19.195258.10335@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
| [ ... multisession ... ]
| ] Your definition of "multisession" differs from what others use, then.  None
| ] of the above programs use either "screen"-like sessions or multiple
| ] ports/consoles; they use dedicated look-up windows.
| 
| I didn't mention the database programs specifically.  But "my definition"
| is the same one DEC used in the VT330/VT340 and DECServer 200 in 1983.
+------------->8

I think your original post was perhaps unclear; it was that definition of
multisession that you seemed to be excluding, not the other (false) one.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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From: noddy@desire.apana.org.au (Reagan Blundell)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: 20 Jun 1994 23:47:12 +1000

ROBERT ADAMS (robert@ksmith.com) wrote:
: Jonathan Lennox (lennox@news.cs.columbia.edu) wrote:
: :   Why not just have a DIRCOLORS (or LSCOLORS or something) environment
: : variable storing the escape sequences?  It could be completely
: : configurable, and terminal-dependent, in your .profile/.login, or
: : re-configurable on-the-fly, it wouldn't require any special files or
: : paths cluttering things up, it wouldn't require hitting libcurses, and
: : it would seem to be very much in the UNIX spirit.  Wouldn't this
: : address everyone's objections?

: Have you looked at the size of the DIR_COLORS file?  1828k on my machine
: man that would be one HUGE environmnet variable..  better yet a
: use_dir_colors environmant varible..  if set..  it uses colors..
: but then you have an even more bloated ls 

You have a DIR_COLORS file close to 2Mb in size????? Considering mine
is only 1872 bytes (including comment lines) then i'd suggest there
is something particularly wrong with yours.


-- 
Reagan Blundell                 The bats have left the bell tower
noddy@desire.apana.org.au       The victims have been bled
n1186337@water.fit.qut.edu.au   Red velvet lines the black box
                                Bela Lugosi's dead         -- Bauhaus

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From: rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann)
Subject: INGRES access
Date: 20 Jun 1994 16:33:12 GMT

I am aware of Onyx and University INGRES, but is there anyone out there
accessing a commercial (ie ASK/CA) INGRES from a Linux client?  How are
you doing it, and what is the INGRES host system? 

========================================================================

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University of Alberta Hospitals            (MIME-capable mail agent)
WMC 2C2.21, 8440-112th Street,     
Edmonton, Alberta                          Tel: (403)492-4367
T6G 0N4                                    FAX: (403)492-3090
Canada

PLEASE: No shipments by courier from outside Canada; use regular mail.
========================================================================

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From: cyrillv@netcom.com (Cyrill Vatomsky)
Subject: sco motif/iBCS/Linux ??
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 15:52:44 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.windows.x.i386unix ]
[ Author was Cyrill Vatomsky ]
[ Posted on Wed, 15 Jun 1994 22:23:57 GMT ]

I have SCO installed on my second drive and it has motif. Is it
possible to use it for Linux, maybe vie iBCS? Sorry, my question
can be outrageously naive, but I do not know much about unices, 
just starting learning.

The reason I ask is that I'd rather use Linux (my experiences with
SCO was at best unpleasant, whence I really like Linux)
-- 

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Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 01:17:00 +0200
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: what sound-cdrom combination is good ??


Hello NGUYEN  SON TRUNG and all others,

on 18.06.94 NGUYEN  SON TRUNG wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

NST>    I am thinking of getting a CD-ROM drive and a Sound Card and have every
NST> intention of using it within the Linux environment.  Does anyone have a
NST> suggestion as to which combination would be good.  Should I get a Sony 33A
NST> with a
NST> SB  multiCD or a SB 16 + Creative Lab CDROM ??  I am looking for something
NST> that works well in  Linux.

Read /usr/src/linux/drivers/README.sbpcd and guess my advice. ;-)

Speed, PhotoCD, MultiSession, maximum number of drives are the points.

Greetings ... Eberhard


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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 16:05:27 GMT

In article <1994Jun20.125700.25931@taylor.infi.net>, mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) says:
+---------------
| bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
| >In article <1994Jun20.033921.21976@taylor.infi.net>, mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) says:
| >| Agreed.  And it DOES happen. Look at SCO-PRO.
| 
| >Not a fair example; if SCO released it, Lotus would throw a fit.  :-(
| 
| more multi-user, supports real administration, etc.  Why didn't Lotus somehow
| GET the code from SCO and *LEARN*?
+------------->8

If Lotus didn't believe in litigation instead of innovation, SCO Professional
would still exist today.  :-(

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.              Linux iBCS2 emulation

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From: leitner@cs.tu-berlin.de (Felix v.Leitner)
Crossposted-To: al.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Cobol
Date: 20 Jun 1994 17:11:04 GMT

aragon@rz.fh-augsburg.de (Paul Haller) writes:

>: Does anyone know if I can get a Cobol compiler that will run under Linux, 
>: if you do please Email me at mstlouis.world.std.com.
>: Thank-You.

>Cobol cripples the mind and should therefore be regarded as a criminal
>offence!!     ;>)

Cobol gives you COBOL fingers ;)  Read the JARGON file about that ;)

COBOL is in fact misspelled, it's the curse of the CABAL ;)

Felix




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From: jensen@dorothy.as.arizona.edu (Shane Jensen)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
Subject: Re: Video Card Reviews
Date: 20 Jun 1994 18:59:19 GMT

I forgot to add that I want to run this in 1280x1024.

thanks again,
Shane
jensen@dorothy.as.arizona.edu


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From: jensen@dorothy.as.arizona.edu (Shane Jensen)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
Subject: Video Card Reviews
Date: 20 Jun 1994 18:19:13 GMT

I'm looking for recent reviews(or opinions) on PCI video cards.
I want a card that is capable of 24 bit color and high refresh 
rates.  In the majority of magazines I have looked at, their
reviews are, not surprisingly, directed more toward the lower cost
cards.  I have been looking at cards in the $400-$600 dollar
range, and have ended up partial to the PCI #9GXE lv12, but 
this is an uninformed opinion right now.  

I would be grateful if you could direct me toward performance reviews
on the video cards or offer personal opinions on your favorite card
(and if possible, how it works with Linux).

I would be using it with the Viewsonic V17 17" monitor, running Linux,
on a Pentium 100Mhz.

Thanks,
Shane
jensen@dorothy.as.arizona.edu

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From: ami@cac.washington.edu (Analytical Methods {NWNet})
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: .... SB16 SCSI-II and a CD drive, again! ....
Date: 20 Jun 1994 17:24:22 GMT

I have a Soundblaster 16 SCSI-II and a Chinon 535 CD-Rom drive with which I
would like to install the Infomagic's Linux distribution.  The HD is a
Quantum LPS240 SCSI drive, also. (I will get to that later :)

I have read all the relevant documentation before turning to the wisdom of
the net; Installation.howto, SCSI.howto, Slackware.faq, other similar post
here and... etc.

The combination works just fine under DOS/Windows but not under Linux, as
it stands right now. :-(

I have created the bootdisk floppy according to instructions (both SCSI
and SCSINET) and issue the command line "ramdisk aha152x=0x340,11,7,1" at
the lilo: prompt.  The SCSI interface and the CD drive are recognized but
the process fails with the following results;
__________________________________________________________________________
scsi0:  Adaptec 152x scsi drive
scsi:   1 hosts

Vendor: CHINON  Model: CD-ROM CDS535    Rev: Q20
Type:   CD-ROM                          ANSI SCSI revision 02

Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, id 1, Lun 0

scsi0: target 1 Lun 1 request sense failed, performing reset
__________________________________________________________________________

Then every thing hangs and I am stuck. REBOOT!  All through this the HD
is never recognized.  The CD id ID=1 and the HD is ID=2.

HELP PLEASE.

Thanks,

Jahan
ami@nwnet.net

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.develop
From: mwsmall@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Michael W. Small)
Subject: Re: Support for modem based on IBM's MWAVE chip???
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 16:15:59 GMT


In article <1994Jun14.191735.24719@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>, mwsmall@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Michael W. Small) writes:
> 
> Could anybody tell me if there is work being done to support modems
> based on DSP chips, such as the MWAVE chip from IBM?  I purchased one
> of the first 'ACE' modems from Best Data Products Corp..  This Voice-
> mail/modem/fax modem board is based on the MWAVE chip.  The card works
> great in a windows environment, no drivers exist yet for solely DOS
> usage, and I'm pretty sure that support under linux does not exist
> either.
> 
> Please let me know if anyone has knowledge of either a similar situation,
> or of a possible soloution.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Michael Small
> mwsmall@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
> 
>        _/_/_/  _/_///  _/_/_/
>       /       _/  _/  /    
>      _/_/_/  _/  _/  _/_/_/             Michael W. Small
>     /       _/  _/      _/              EDS - Delco Electronics Corp.
>    _/_/_/  _/_///  _/_/_/               mwsmall@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com

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From: Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk (Stephen Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal issue #3 (July)
Reply-To: Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 06:23:05 +0000

In article <2u2shi$i2@nwfocus.wa.com> danubius@coho.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon) writes:
> I just noticed the July issue at a neighborhood magazine stand but I
> have not received it myself.  I was very tempted to buy it right on the
> spot because it looked even better than the first 2 issues.  This time it
> had a nice glossy color photo on the cover like most computer magazines
> do.  Very nice job! 
> 
> Joe Pannon

I don't suppose you can post a table of contents ?

Go back with a pencil and paper ?

Stephen Parkinson

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From: bwelling@wam.umd.edu (Brian Wellington)
Subject: Re: S3 Support - A bit lacking?
Date: 20 Jun 1994 19:21:54 GMT

In article <1994Jun20.153209.1@vb.nwl.ac.uk>,  <l_kbb@vb.nwl.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <CrIoDv.74t@madhouse.demon.co.uk>, andy@madhouse.demon.co.uk (Andrew Bray) writes:
>> In article <2tpahjINNsen@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> paul@holmes.ece.orst.edu (Paul Stoffregen) writes:
>>>I've got an S3 card (which is quite speedy under X, but cost < $140),
>>>but quite often I switch over to a good 'ole tty.  I've tried several
>>>times to get something higher than 80x25 in text mode, including an
>>>attempt tonight.  Typing 'rdev -v /vmlinuz -#' where I try dozens of
>>>different numbers seems to have no effect whatsoever.  I also tried
>>>configuring lilo to set the video mode, but with little success.
>> 
>> I had the same problem with my S3 based Spea/V7 Mirage.
>> The only fix I found was to hack the Linux start up code to recognise
>> my VGA BIOS, and offer extra video modes.
>
>Could you share what you did, as my couple of hours playing with the
>VGA clock registers failed to get me anthing other than standard VGA
>with my S3 based Spea/V7 Mirage. I only have 40 Mbytes for Linux, so
>rebuilding anything large may be a bit of a problem.
>
>> 
>>>The text-only tty just doesn't display very much information in
>>>80x25, and looks downright funny on my 17 inch monitor.
>> 
>> Even funnier on my 21".  Its a shame I can't use X at a resolution
>> higher that 1024x768 to take advantage of this extra size
>> (my card has 1MB RAM, and isn't upgradable).
>> 

I have an Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 Plus/VLB, and was able to get 132x43 by
editing setup.S, only changing the string searched for in BIOS, it's
length and location (got those from DOSEMU getrom), and modified the
Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 values.  It works in text mode, and is fine with
X, but svgalib programs don't work (the screen has a bunch of black
vertical columns, and dosemu really screws up when it's quit, and there's
no way to fix it.   Any ideas?

Brian



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From: Alberto Vignani <alberto.vignani@pmn.it>
Subject: Re: Linux/TMS320C30 experience ?
Date: 20 Jun 1994 17:08:56 -0400
Reply-To: alberto.vignani@pmn.it


bass@cais.cais.com (Tim Bass) writes:

|I am interested in doing some nice DSP projects using my Linux/P5
|system as the development/interface platform to the TMC320C30.
|
|Anyone have any experience with such a configuration of know of
|any C code ftp sites, or test fixtures available?

I use the set of TMS320 development tools, but not on Linux (you can
run the TI C compiler in REAL mode under dosemu, and maybe in PROTECTED
mode when DPMI support will be finished).

I don't know of any free tool for developing TMS320 applications. I
have explored almost the whole Internet, and all I found were example
source codes coming from the TI Application books.

Generally, if you want to develop your own tools for TI chips, you
have to get the sources from them, and this is not going to be free.
Actually, there's always some critical point missing from the docs,
like the description of the C30 emulator protocols (which are not JTAG).

I don't have the TI Evaluation Board (I run my own 'C31 hardware), but I
know that the TI5x0 Emulator has a very poor documentation concerning
register locations: I mean, I don't know how to initialize it apart
from using the MSDOS tools, and I suspect you can get into troubles
with IRQ collisions if you don't configure the board (I had the tape
wildly crashing the kernel before I cut the IRQ5 trace on the TI card).

If you are more generally interested in free DSP development software,
you can try the Ptolemy package from Berkeley I ported to Linux a
couple of months ago; it currently produces C code and assembler for
the Motorola DSPs. Could be great if you or someone else found a way
of supporting TI DSPs under Ptolemy.

Some references:
* TI material
        ftp.ti.com                      mirrors/tms320bbs
        bode_ee.ualberta.ca             pub/dos/TI
        ftp.tu-clausthal.de             pub/ham-radio/dsp/dsp-tms320/bbs
* Ptolemy
        ptolemy.eecs.berkeley.edu       (main site)
        cnuce-arch.cnr.it               pub/Linux-local/ptolemy

Alberto Vignani         <a.vignani@crf.it>


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