Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #287
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Linux-Misc Digest #287, Volume #2                Sun, 19 Jun 94 15:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  Re: HTTP with LINUX PL20 (Erik Olson)
  Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY? (Albert Hui)
  Xfm man pages, again (Bill McCarthy)
  Using floppy tapes under Linux?
  Re: Limit memory to low 16MB ? (Bill McCarty)
  Re: Limit memory to low 16MB ? (Robert Sanders)
  Re: Universal CDROM - enough already -give us a break! (John Miller -- sysadmin)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Arlie Davis)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Arlie Davis)
  Help with Irwin Accutrak A250E tape drive (Ashok Aiyar)
  Re: XDM (login problems) (Tim Holmes)
  Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ? (Terry Lambert)
  Re: future of Unixware (Terry Lambert)
  Re: future of Unixware (Terry Lambert)
  Re: future of Unixware (Terry Lambert)
  Re: Does WP demo work? (was:WordProcessing again) (Zhuo Er Lin)

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From: erik@marge.phys.washington.edu (Erik Olson)
Subject: Re: HTTP with LINUX PL20
Date: 19 Jun 1994 14:49:49 GMT

root@ppotocki.dialup.access.net (system admin) writes:

>Bill Heiser (bill@bhhome.ci.net) wrote:
>: I built a patch-level 20 kernel today, and after booting it up, found
>: I could not run MOSAIC or LYNX!  Actually I can _run_ them, but when they
>: try to reach any remote hosts, indicate that the remote document can not
>: be accessed.

>: I am running SLIP.

>: I guess something obscure must have broken in pl20 (what would cause
>: http not to work?)

>Same here...
>Maybe Mosaic should be recompiled with the new kernel?

Nope, I tried recompiling lynx and it's still got the problem.

Has anyone had this problem NOT been using SLIP?  I have seen it with
both SLIP and PPP (I think), but I haven't tested it on our
local ethernet yet.  It might be important data for Alan & co. to know.

   - Erik
--
---
Erik D. Olson                                olson@phys.washington.edu
Linuholic                               erik@marge.phys.washington.edu

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From: s931306@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Albert Hui)
Subject: Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY?
Date: 19 Jun 1994 14:52:26 GMT

kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:

>+--- Rob Janssen:
>| Try GNU "cp"...

>2. The difference between XCOPY and COPY is that it will read several
>   files into memory before writing them to disc.

You can always use the powerful but somewhat cryptic `dd'

>So, can GNU cp handle copying from floppy to floppy? No... The easiest
>solution is to copy to the hard disc as an intermim step.

The `diskcopy' script is real nice for fd-to-fd copy.
(hey you are not required to know that it work by copying to hd first!)

--
`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._
  Albert Hui (The Avatar)            |
  - avatar@suburbia.apana.org.au     | "Your mind is the only prison
  - s931306@yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au    |  that can ever bind your soul."

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From: bmccarth@gulfaero.com (Bill McCarthy)
Subject: Xfm man pages, again
Date: 19 Jun 1994 12:21:11 -0400

Hiya:

Again, I have a question about downloaded man pages - BTW, thanks Jaime.
I was able to get the man command to call up the man page for Xfm, and 
xearth fine after I changed them to  xfm.1.Z xearth.1.Z and moved them
to the usr/man/cat1 dir. But when the pages come up, they are unformatted.
Any suggestions? I'm using the Plug&Play Linux with a custom install, hence
lots of symlinked files. Any suggestions. pointer, etc. are more than welcomed.
TIA.




Bill McCarthy
bmccarth@gulfaero.com

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From: swampler@noao.edu ()
Subject: Using floppy tapes under Linux?
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 16:11:35 GMT

I'm about to give up on my QIC-02 drive and am thinking of replacing
it with a floppy tape drive.  I have two floppy disk drives already,
does the floppy tape drive *replace* one of these, or can I have
three floppy devices?  (I'm assuming I have to replace one of the
floppy disks, right?)  Is there anything I should watch out for when
getting a floppy tape drive?

My QIC-02 drive has never worked reliably with Linux, with 1.0.8, it
now rewinds right off the end of the tape!

Thanks for any help!
-- 
Steve Wampler
swampler@gemini.edu
Gemini Project (under AURA)

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From: mccartyb@class.class.org (Bill McCarty)
Subject: Re: Limit memory to low 16MB ?
Date: 19 Jun 1994 16:32:12 GMT

I've been asked to configure a "powerhouse" Linux server for our
academic computing facility.  Is it possible to determine whether
a given ISA card is capable of working around the 16 MB barrier?
I'd go with EISA but I note that vendors advertising in Linux
Journal apparently offer ISA systems.

Are there specific IDE/video/SCSI cards that are known to work OK
WRT this problem?

I assume VESA/PCI cards do not share this problem.  But I've heard
that many such video cards have problems with X.  Does anyone know
the precise nature of this problem and how one can avoid it, say
by picking a proper card?

THANKS!!

In article <1994Jun19.000604.3112@escape.widomaker.com> 
  shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:
>Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
>
>: It's a workaround for (a) broken motherboards that disable caching when more
>: than 16MB is present and (b) old ISA-bus device drivers which do DMA but 
   don't
>: support bounceback buffers to work around the ISA bus limitation that DMA 
   can
>: only occur to the lower 16MB of memory (because the ISA bus can't address 
   more
>: than 16MB).
>
>On that note, has anyone been able to get a video card to map below 16
>megabytes when you have, say, 20 megs of RAM?  My S3 card will no longer
>run linear and it's addressed at A0000 now.  Not much speed loss but
>noticeable in memory intensive operations.  Seem like it should be
>possible to get Linux to 'move' a chunk of RAM to the end of memory so
>that there is enough space in the ISA address space to map my graphics
>card.

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From: rsanders@mindspring.com (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: Limit memory to low 16MB ?
Date: 19 Jun 1994 16:50:26 GMT

In article <1994Jun19.000604.3112@escape.widomaker.com> shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:

   On that note, has anyone been able to get a video card to map below 16
   megabytes when you have, say, 20 megs of RAM?  My S3 card will no longer
   run linear and it's addressed at A0000 now.  Not much speed loss but
   noticeable in memory intensive operations.  Seem like it should be
   possible to get Linux to 'move' a chunk of RAM to the end of memory so
   that there is enough space in the ISA address space to map my graphics
   card.

That's not really possible.  When you're talking about things like
this, virtual memory addressing doesn't come into play, and most
motherboards don't have the sort of hardware that can take an
arbitrary chunk of RAM off of one address and move it to another.

Do you have an ISA card or a VLB/PCI/EISA card?  The latter might be
remappable to some location above the 20 MB mark.


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From: jsm@n4vu.Atl.GA.US (John Miller -- sysadmin)
Subject: Re: Universal CDROM - enough already -give us a break!
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 13:36:04 GMT

Charles Liu (alte@rahul.net) wrote:
: In article <2trade$dr8@sun.cais.com>, Tim Bass <bass@cais.cais.com> wrote:
: >Universal CDROM is posting to many ads on this newsgroup.  Please give
:                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Are we ?

: >us a break and don't jump in on every CDROM question.  InfoMagic is
:                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Did we ?

: >perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

: That's their choice.

<plonk>
Argumentive or annoying businesses don't stay in business very 
long.  If this sort of attitude prevails, we may not have to worry 
about Universal CDROM much longer.  Meanwhile . . . 

No need EVER to get into net arguments with vendors, folks . . . just 
vote with your dollars AND killfiles.  
-- 
John Miller, N4VU                 Linux!                    Fayetteville
jsm@n4vu.Atl.GA.US                DoD #1942                    (Atlanta) 
{emory,gatech}!n4hgf!n4vu         AMA #671301                     GA, US

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From: arlie@thepoint.com (Arlie Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 9 Jun 1994 13:29:20 -0400

stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Ulf Bartelt) writes:

>pce60:~/io$ ftp ftp.wordperfect.com
>Connected to ftp.wordperfect.com.
>220 ftp Novell NetWare 386 FTP Server (V1.38), Copyright (C) 1992,93 MurkWorks Inc., ready
>Name (ftp.wordperfect.com:stub): ftp
>Password (ftp.wordperfect.com:ftp): <my address>
>531 Access Denied by supervisor
>Login failed.
>ftp> 

>Mhm.... ?!?!?! :-(

The username "ftp" often only works on UNIX machines.
The official anonymous FTP login is "anonymous".
The WP machine is running a Novell FTP server (blecch);
it only understands "anonymous".

-- 
-- Arlie Davis <arlie@thepoint.com>  | The Point: Inexpensive Internet access:
-- System and network administrator  | (812)246-8032: 32 lines, all 28.8K Hayes 
-- Linux: PCs are finally useful.    | $20/month flat rate -- call or mail me.

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From: arlie@thepoint.com (Arlie Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 14 Jun 1994 10:58:38 -0400

miguel@lucy.crs4.it (Miguel Alvarez Blanco) writes:

>  But surely xterm knows about the mouse. That's how cut&paste works. I
>suppose it's through the X server, but shouldn't be the same problem as
>with selection? You have a program controlling the mouse (selection/xterm)
>and make LWPS know about how this program does it. Surely this would require
>modifying xterm?

XTerm knows quite a lot about the mouse.  There are escape sequences
that can be sent to XTerm that will make it send all mouse clicks,
and even movement, to the tty.  Look up the XTerm Control Sequences
document in the MIT X11R5 release.

-- 
-- Arlie Davis <arlie@thepoint.com>  | The Point: Inexpensive Internet access:
-- System and network administrator  | (812)246-8032: 32 lines, all 28.8K Hayes 
-- Linux: PCs are finally useful.    | $20/month flat rate -- call or mail me.

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From: axa12@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Help with Irwin Accutrak A250E tape drive
Date: 19 Jun 1994 17:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)



I have an Irwin Accutrak A250E external tape drive with the
4100 controller card.  Is there any possibility of using
these under Linux?

Thanks,
Ashok
-- 
Ashok Aiyar                                      tel: (216) 368-3300
Department of Biochemistry                       fax: (216) 368-4544
CWRU School of Medicine                  ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu

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From: timh@psammead.demon.co.uk (Tim Holmes)
Subject: Re: XDM (login problems)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 16:18:10 GMT

Gernot M. FUCHS (gfuchs@afm02.iac.tuwien.ac.at) wrote:

: I've received several mails, all pointing towards a problem with the
: shadow passwd file. I'm not running shadow passwd file, and if my XDM
: wants a shadow system, there should be no login possible for all the
: users under XDM. However several users can login w/o any problem under
: XDM and some only with an ASCII terminal calling their wm from there. So
: i think the problem is not a shadow/non-shadow conflict.

I too have this problem, except that I wasn't using shadow passwords at all
until I tried xdm. Believing that I couldn't log in this way because xdm was 
linked with the shadow-password stuff I installed the shadow password suite. 
Unfortunately this didn't solve the problem (Transameritech slackware 1.1.1).

Tim.

-- 
// Tim Holmes | +44 480 435565 (Huntingdon) | Ingres Systems Consultant \\
\\  at Home   | timh@psammead.demon.co.uk   |  part time Linux Hacker   //

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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ?
Date: 19 Jun 1994 09:27:53 GMT

In article <2tl4b0$3e0@rand.org> edhall@nntp.rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
] :     5) What kind of system/motherboard are you using
] 
]     Nice SuperEISA ver.1

It is (or should be) well known that NiCE EISA motherboards do not
support bus mastering DMAs in excess of 16M, just like ISA chip sets.

It may be that the EISA detection is not taking this into account,
probably because NiCE wasn't willing to put the string "FAKE EISA"
or some similar identifier at some memory location for marketing
reasons.  8-).

Drop down to 16M (potentially less, if the 384k hole below 1M is
being back-filled) and the problem should go away.

If you want to run more memory, ask for a hack to force the use
of bounce-buffers on EISA (not likely to happen in your lifetime)
or buy only motherboards with known working chipsets (I'm partial
to SiS for EISA, but that's just me -- and my very, very fast
machine... Sis has the fastest Gate A20 I've ever seen, too).


                                        Terry Lambert
                                        terry@cs.weber.edu
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.

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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 19 Jun 1994 10:11:49 GMT

In article <2tnqdd$4l@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> ivan@djomolungma.Eng.Sun.COM writes:

[ ... ]

] claims are made that marketing, sales etc are requirements for a
] successful product. A counter is made that only ubiquity
] is neccessary.

[ ... ]

] Seems like somehow a large corporations gets itself into the position
] where ubiquity becomes rather less relevant.
] 
] which in turn is why Linux has been so successful, since it bypassed
] all this junk.


Let me add:

        X
        Procomm
        Zmodem
        DOOM

All started as free or shareware products.
All are now sold commercially.
All are #1 in their respective categories (display systems, comms packages,
transfer protocols, VR games).


                                        Terry Lambert
                                        terry@cs.weber.edu
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.

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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 19 Jun 1994 10:19:23 GMT

In article <2tug55$9n2@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann) writes:
] $30/port for an Annex???!  We ARE talking about the Xylogics Annex
] terminal servers here?  Where are you buying your hardware?  Even
] allowing for the rate of exchange I expect to pay more like $300
] per port for an Annex lately.

Used.

And always the largest number of ports available. to average to cost
down.


                                        Terry Lambert
                                        terry@cs.weber.edu
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.

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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 19 Jun 1994 10:21:27 GMT

In article <1994Jun18.143639.5038@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
] In article <2tu16s$33m@u.cc.utah.edu>, terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) says:
] +---------------
] | Actually, a customer service rep who can look up part numbers without
] | losing their place on an order entry screen is much more productive
] | than one who has to start over because he only has one window to do his
] | work in.
] +------------->8
] 
] But you can do that in character mode with Accell, Informix-4GL, Progress, ...
] and even DOS Quicken.  (Well, not part numbers :-)

No fair.  You cut off the part where I said "unless you make it
multisession", and then went and gave "multisession" as an exception.
I had already excepted that.


                                        Terry Lambert
                                        terry@cs.weber.edu
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.


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From: umlin000@cc.umanitoba.ca (Zhuo Er Lin)
Subject: Re: Does WP demo work? (was:WordProcessing again)
Date: 19 Jun 1994 18:33:41 GMT

In <1994Jun14.163640.12524@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>In article <2tk65m$dr9@deneb.dur.ac.uk>, "A.J.Scholl" <A.J.Scholl@durham.ac.uk> says:
>+---------------
>| 1) An error in the supplied shell script "demo.wp" - in line 54
>| there is a "'" missing at the end of the sed command. 
>+------------->8

>Known problem:  sh/ksh tolerate that kind of lenience; bash doesn't.  This
>could be considered a bash incompatibility.

>| 2) Having fixed that, I couldn't run the binary wpbin/xwp (it got
>| a segmentation fault). I'm running 1.0 kernel (with ELF/COFF
>| support) and XFree 2.0.
>+------------->8

>ELF/COFF executable support in the stock kernel is just binary formats, not
>system calls.  You need the iBCS2 emulator, on tsx-11.mit.edu in
>/pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2.  Use one of the mid-May releases:  the most recent two
>are reported not to patch into the 1.0 kernel properly.  (Yes, this is being
>worked on.)

>++Brandon
>-- 
>Brandon S. Allbery        kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
>The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"


I am using 1.1.20 Kernel. In compiling ibcs2, both May 26 and Jun 10
versions, I got these errors:

What 's wrong here?

13:31:35 /dl/t/ibcs# make
cc -Iinclude -D__KERNEL__=1 -I../include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -m486 -DSOCKSYS_MAJOR=30 -DIBCS_TRACE -DVERBOSE_ERRORS -DCOFF_TRACE
-c binfmt_coff.c
In file included from binfmt_coff.c:52:
include/ibcs/ibcs.h:32: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype
binfmt_coff.c: In function `load_object':
binfmt_coff.c:655: structure has no member named `lcall7'
binfmt_coff.c:656: structure has no member named `signal_map'
binfmt_coff.c:657: structure has no member named `signal_invmap'
binfmt_coff.c: In function `parse_comments':
binfmt_coff.c:911: structure has no member named `signal_map'
binfmt_coff.c:912: structure has no member named `signal_invmap'
binfmt_coff.c: At top level:
binfmt_coff.c:1013: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
binfmt_coff.c:1013: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
make: *** [binfmt_coff.o] Error 1









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