Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #286
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Date:     Sun, 19 Jun 94 10:13:13 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #286, Volume #2                Sun, 19 Jun 94 10:13:13 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Yggdrasil CD-ROM question (Adam J. Richter)
  Re: VP/ix for Linux? (Rob Janssen)
  Refurbished NEC monitor ... (Zhou Yong)
  Re: GNU tar-1.11.2 bugs - patch and new binary available (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  Re: future of Unixware (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  Re: HTTP with LINUX PL20 (system admin)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Craig Miller)
  IBM 3510 CD-Rom (Don Garrett)
  Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows (Shannon Hendrix)
  Re: Limit memory to low 16MB ? (Shannon Hendrix)
  Re: S3 palette restore problem exiting X server (Shannon Hendrix)
  Re: Universal CDROM - enough already -give us a break! (Rick)
  Re: QIC tape drives (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Novell to bundle DOS7/Linux ? (Jim Vlcek)
  Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)) (Stephen White)
  Re: Clean eXit from X possible? (Ken Cheung)
  Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY? (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
  UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING ! (Tim Bass)
  Re: future of Unixware (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)

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From: adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil CD-ROM question
Date: 18 Jun 1994 18:08:03 GMT

In article <2tv1tl$8k0@perot.mtsu.edu>,
Mr. Steve Wilkinson <wally@perot.mtsu.edu> wrote:
>I have an NEC3xi with a SoundBlaster 16 SCSI-II!  Yggdrasil CD-ROM does
>not mount the CD.  

        There is an experimental aha-152x driver in the Yggdrasil
Summer 1994 kernel, and in the standard Linux kernels driver for that
matter.  This driver can talk to the Adaptec chip on the Soundblaster
SCSI board.  We list the driver as "experimental" in our product
literature because it did not work on all of the CDROM drives on which
we tested it.

        In the original 1.1 kernel distribution, the aha152x driver
did not work the with NEC CDR-84dj drive, but we were able to make it
work with that drive by increasing some of the timeouts, so your
chances of making the system work are slightly better with our kernel
than with others.  Other drives, like the Texel dm3021 still fail.
You can get a chart of the SCSI testing that we did, from
ftp.yggdrasil.com:pub/support/scsi_tests.summer94.

        See page 58 of the Plug-and-Play Linux manual for instructions
on how  to turn on SCSI drivers for BIOS-less controllers (use the
aha152x driver for your Soundblaster SCSI).

-- 
Adam J. Richter                     -      --------------   "Free software for
adam@yggdrasil.com                    \  /                   the rest of us."
4880 Stevens Creek Blvd., Suite 205    || g g d r a s i l    408-261-6630
San Jose, CA 95129-1034                ||  Computing Inc.    fax 408-261-6631

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: VP/ix for Linux?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 23:42:13 GMT

In <KNIRSCH.94Jun15105343@dspaul7.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> knirsch@dspaul7.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Peter Knirsch) writes:

>Hello,

>has anybody ported the 386/ix DOS-emulator called "VP/ix" from
>INTERACTIVE/Phoenix to LINUX?

>VP/ix is not public domain software, but it is - compared with dosemu
>- a realy nice DOS-emulator.

How can one port something like that, when the source is not freely
available?  And what is better about VPix than dosemu?
(I must say I have only experience with VPix releases dating back to
before 1990, and it was certainly not better than dosemu then)

Rob
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From: YONG@uwnuc0.physics.wisc.edu (Zhou Yong)
Subject: Refurbished NEC monitor ...
Date: 19 Jun 1994 02:58:11 GMT

Hi,

Does anybody has any experience with refurbished monitors from NEC?
How do people compare CTX 15" monitor to MAG's?
Thanks for your time.

Yong

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From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: Re: GNU tar-1.11.2 bugs - patch and new binary available
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 04:15:44 GMT

Andreas Klemm (andreas@knobel.knirsch.de) wrote:


> But I think one important security related thing isn't fixed yet. 
> I noticed, that extracted files with unknown user id's get the number 
> as UID only then if you extract them as root.

> If you are a normal user, then again the files get the ownership of the
> one who is extracting the files. This is not ok. As normal user you
> shouldn't be allowed to extract files you don't own.

> I think standard behaviour is - correct me if I'm wrong - that only
> root is allowed to extract files with UID != your_own_uid.

This is a misunderstanding of tar.  Tar is intended for carring data
from one machine to another.  So if you have the access to the media,
you should be able to extract all the data stored inside.  What the
tar will do is:

1.  tar will store the original UID and GID (not the user/group name)
2.  If user doing untar (tar x) doesn't have UID=0, the untared file
will have UID and GID set to that user.
3.  If user doing untar have UID=0, then the untared files keeps the
original UID and GID.

--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
Rule # 1:  Network *is* computer

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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 17 Jun 1994 21:18:04 +0200

In <2tq61a$b4u@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> jensen@dorothy.as.arizona.edu (Shane Jensen) writes:
...
>Just to waste my share of bandwidth:  If you are all so worried about
>bandwidth why didn't you continue this by email?   

The TV said it's been pretty hot in Arizona yesterday. True ?

>Your response wasted 
>more bandwidth than the .sig, 

You didn't bother to read my .sig ? Try again, I won't repeat it.


>and then posting it to two newsgroups?

You have _no_ idea how news works. You want to read some books about it
before you get *lots* of mail from all over the world, because you
might pick the wrong guy the next time.


>Go figure...

Is she good looking ?


[a baker's dozen lines of .sig deleted]

Nice of you to prove the point I made in my previous post. I won't repost. 

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From: root@ppotocki.dialup.access.net (system admin)
Subject: Re: HTTP with LINUX PL20
Date: 19 Jun 1994 05:26:02 GMT

Bill Heiser (bill@bhhome.ci.net) wrote:
: I built a patch-level 20 kernel today, and after booting it up, found
: I could not run MOSAIC or LYNX!  Actually I can _run_ them, but when they
: try to reach any remote hosts, indicate that the remote document can not
: be accessed.

: I am able to do all other network things though, such as ftp, telnet,
: archie, gopher, etc.

: I am running SLIP.

: I guess something obscure must have broken in pl20 (what would cause
: http not to work?)

: Bill

: -- 
: Bill Heiser:    bill@bhhome.ci.net,  heiser@world.std.com

Same here...
Maybe Mosaic should be recompiled with the new kernel?

Pawel

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: cam@rdwarf.apana.org.au (Craig Miller)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 07:23:35 GMT

: >How many readers would be interested in an officially-compiled and
: >supported version of POVRAY, with X-Windows support, for LINUX ???

Yep, I'd be interested :-)
cm
-- 
=============================================================================
        Craig Miller                    Linux - the choice of
email : cam@rdwarf.apana.org.au         a GNU generation.

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From: dgarrett@orbit.cs.engr.latech.edu (Don Garrett)
Subject: IBM 3510 CD-Rom
Date: 19 Jun 1994 08:25:34 GMT

  By chance, I seem to have access to an IBM 3510 CD-Rom drive. That's
all I know about it, except the ports on the back look like SCSI. The
cable coming off of it is standard SCSI, and will plug into the back
of my Adaptec 1542 controller, the other end of the cable is something
different, similar looking but smaller.
  What are the chances of my being able to use this drive? Is it worth
going out and buying a scsi cable for it? I don't have much real use
for a CD-Rom, but it might be fun to play with.

--
Don Garrett                                                   Louisiana Tech
dgarrett@engr.latech.edu                                      University
                  http://info.latech.edu/~dgarrett/

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From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 04:01:35 GMT

Mark A. Davis (mark@taylor.infi.net) wrote:

: Most all commercial software is in binary form.  Otherwise, people would
: just steal the code.

So?  They just steal the binaries now if they want to.  There is no reason
for them to not distribute code.  They can make all the excuses they want,
most of them are nowhere near being valid.

I also wish I could get software without paying for user support.  I
don't need it, why should I pay for it?  There should be several
changes in commercial software:

* source code provided
* support should be unbundled if you don't need it or only need
  minimal support
* customized versions should be available that eliminate the vast
  majority of stupid features and bloated auto-PR
* old software that is no longer sold should be given to the public 
  domain.  Locking old code away or destroying it is STUPID


: >(I suppose from your 
: >answers thaw WP _will_ run under Linux/X11).

: Apparently, yes.  With some hacks....
: -- 
:   /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
:   | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
:   | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
:   \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/
-- 
csh
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shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University

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From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: Re: Limit memory to low 16MB ?
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 00:06:04 GMT

Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:

: It's a workaround for (a) broken motherboards that disable caching when more
: than 16MB is present and (b) old ISA-bus device drivers which do DMA but don't
: support bounceback buffers to work around the ISA bus limitation that DMA can
: only occur to the lower 16MB of memory (because the ISA bus can't address more
: than 16MB).

On that note, has anyone been able to get a video card to map below 16
megabytes when you have, say, 20 megs of RAM?  My S3 card will no longer
run linear and it's addressed at A0000 now.  Not much speed loss but
noticeable in memory intensive operations.  Seem like it should be
possible to get Linux to 'move' a chunk of RAM to the end of memory so
that there is enough space in the ISA address space to map my graphics
card.

: ++Brandon
: -- 
: Brandon S. Allbery       kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
: Friends don't let friends load Windows NT.            Linux iBCS2 emulation
-- 
csh
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shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University

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From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: Re: S3 palette restore problem exiting X server
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 00:41:44 GMT

andro@louie.cc.utexas.edu wrote:
: Keywords: 
: Cc: 
: I saw this problem mentioned here recently -- Upon exiting XFree,,
: with some S3 boards [mine is a Taiwanese 928 VLB] the palette
: is not restored correctly, giving me invisible text.

: Someone mentioned some Xconfig settings for saving and restoring
: the palette, but I missed them.  There was a post following claiming
: the problem was solved by "nomemaccess", so I just went with that.

: No such luck for me.  Anyone have the palette save/restore settings
: for Xconfig?

Running Slackware?  Try starting X with 'runx' then.  There are some
programs from svgalib that will save/restore text mode.

: Thanks in advance :)


: -- 
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Steve Chauvin
: andro@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
: "Of course I believe in free will, I have no choice!"
-- 
csh
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shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University

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From: rick@razorback.brisnet.org.au (Rick)
Subject: Re: Universal CDROM - enough already -give us a break!
Date: 19 Jun 1994 20:32:03 +1000

alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu) writes:

>In article <2trade$dr8@sun.cais.com>, Tim Bass <bass@cais.cais.com> wrote:
>>Universal CDROM is posting to many ads on this newsgroup.  Please give
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Are we ?

Well, yes.  Advertisements should be posted to c.o.l.announce, not to
discussion groups.  You seemed to have toned down the frequency recently
(only four article with advertising in nine days in two groups), but a
while back it appeared you were posting outright ads every two days.
Morse/TA/IM/SLS/Ygg follow charter and etiquette, why don't you?

Rick.
-- 
 _-_|\  | Rick Lyons : C/C++/X/Unix/DOS/86/DSP | "My ethicator machine must've
/     + | rick@razorback.brisnet.org.au        | had a built-in moral
\_.-._/ | Work: +61.7.837.4008 (2300-0700 GMT) | compromise spectral release
     v  | Home: +61.7.349.2764 (0800-1300 GMT) | phantasmatron! I'm a genius!"

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: QIC tape drives
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 08:49:29 GMT

In <CrH7rs.BAH@seneca.ix.de> hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz) writes:

>David Lesher (wb8foz@netcom.com) wrote:

>: > Find a used QIC150 tape drive. It will back up {surprise} 150 meg/tape.
>: > You should pay about $150.00 for such used.

>Most of the SCSI QIC150 drives are able to backup 250 MB uncompressed 
>on DC6250 tapes, such as the Archive Viper 150S which I use. I was told that
>Wangtek 5150S is able too. 

But when buying a drive, make sure it is SCSI.   There also exist drives
with a QIC-02 interface, for which you will need a controller.  They
can be recognized by the card-edge connector (as opposed to the dual row
of pins found on SCSI drives)

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek)
Subject: Re: Novell to bundle DOS7/Linux ?
Reply-To: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 04:08:34 GMT

Ray Berry writes
> A recent item in PC Week reported that they had seen an internal Novell
> document specifying a version of Linux integrated with DOS7, to be offered
> for $99 starting in July.  Is their any truth to this?

Yes!  The project is code-named "Bermuda Triangle".  Ray Noorda got the idea  
from Bigfoot, whom he had stumbled across in the Utah mountains.  The latter  
had just loaded Linux onto a Macintosh given him by the CIA and which [s]he  
uses to track alien spacecraft rendezvousing about Devil's Tower.  Elvis  
himself wrote the updated Soundblaster device driver.

-- 
Jim Vlcek                         Elements of the information superhighway:
uunet!molly!vlcek                                        UNIX: the concrete
molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net                             TCP/IP: the road signs
Beautiful downtown St. Paul                   Windows: the fast-food joints

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From: steve@adam.com.au (Stephen White)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist))
Date: 18 Jun 1994 15:48:44 -0000

Leigh Hart (hart@apanix.apana.org.au) wrote:
: Who first used CPM on a Fergusson Big Board (home-built-with-friend) 
: complete with an Eprom Burner on the motherboard :-)

Who first used a homebuilt 8080 S-Bus system which had a bare wire per key,
and you typed on it by touching a long ground wire to each "key". To start
it up, you toggled some switches in the right order to get it to load in a
small ROM monitor, and then "key"ed in a cassette tape loader in hexadecimal
then loaded in the OS from tape.

--
  steve@adam.com.au

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From: cs_ken@uxmail.ust.hk (Ken Cheung)
Subject: Re: Clean eXit from X possible?
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 09:36:26 GMT


:-> alias startx '\startx ; clear'

add "clear" to the startx script

--
Ken
(Pata Pata Peppy)
+------------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
| Rest if you must, but don't you quit.    | Name  : Ken Cheung              |
|                                          | Email : cs_ken@cs.ust.hk        |
|   Accept hardship as a pathway to peace. | Hong Kong University of Sci&Tech|
+------------------------------------------+---------------------------------+

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From: kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
Subject: Re: unix version of dos prog XCOPY?
Date: 19 Jun 1994 15:29:14 +0200

+--- Rob Janssen:
| Try GNU "cp"...

1. The question was a version of XCOPY, not COPY.
2. The difference between XCOPY and COPY is that it will read several
   files into memory before writing them to disc.
3. The above trait makes XCOPY perfect for copying from one floppy to
   another when you have only one floppy drive.

So, can GNU cp handle copying from floppy to floppy? No... The easiest
solution is to copy to the hard disc as an intermim step.

mcopy might help you, but I think it will entail a lot of disc
swapping.


Kjetil T.


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From: bass@cais.cais.com (Tim Bass)
Subject: UNIVERSAL CDROM - STOP ADVERTISING !
Date: 19 Jun 1994 13:36:56 GMT

A policeman I'm not, but UNIVERSAL CDROM uses almost every opportunity
to plug it's service.  I recommend that if it continues we completely
agree not to use their services.

Note to Charles at Universal:

None of the other CDROM vendors in this group bombard us with their ads.
Build a solid service and others will speak for you, continue polluting
this group with your unwanted ads and your business will suffer.

BTW:  THANKS TO ALL THE OTHER CDROM VENDORS FOR BEING SO PROFESSIONAL
      AND POLITE.  WE ALL APPRECIATE IT.


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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: mah@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 13:48:43 GMT

Aw, come on, folks... this discussion has digressed off of the original
posting so many times and into so many "religious" areas that I've
lost track.  The X vs. character argument is about as productive as the
emacs vs. vi argument as as likely to be won through debate.  Give it
up.  We're not even supposed to be using this group anymore anyhow!
Maybe it should be renamed comp.os.linux.religious.wars.  Until then
I'm removing it from my feed as was suggested months ago.

System ka4ybr signing off.... <*click*>

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