Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #269
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Date:     Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:13:16 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #269, Volume #2                Wed, 15 Jun 94 10:13:16 EDT

Contents:
  Clean eXit from X possible? (Bogdan Urma)
  Re: 8 megs --> 16 megs ??!? (Yasuo Ohgaki)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (Bart Schuller)
  PCI cards (Summary) (Andre M.A. van Leeuwen)
  Re: Chain booting Linux? (BAdelsman)
  Re: PCI Motherboards (Markus Kuhn)
  E-mail address for Yggdrasil please (Terry Gliedt)
  Open apology to all Linux users (william.c.brown)
  Re: 8 megs --> 16 megs ??!? (Bret Patterson)
  Trantor T130 SCSI-2 with texel cdrom (Bret Patterson)
  Term115 compile problem! (Tony Wang)
  Re: i saw chicago! (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Why Linux? (Bill Hogan)
  Re: i saw chicago! (guy keren)
  Re: Need recommendation for SVGA card (Southiere Alain)
  Re: Why Linux? (John Dyson)
  Re: Why Linux? (John Dyson)
  ATI GUP ISA cards for sale (Yi Jin)
  Re: Pascal compiler for Linux? (Dan Pop)

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From: bogdan@crl.com (Bogdan Urma)
Subject: Clean eXit from X possible?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 23:22:39 -0700

   Is there any way to have a clear screen after exiting X. Like
some way to automatically issue the 'clear' command as soon as X is done?


Thanks,
Bogdan Urma
bogdan@crl.com


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From: yasuo@via.term.none (Yasuo Ohgaki)
Subject: Re: 8 megs --> 16 megs ??!?
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 07:26:19 GMT

Bogdan Urma (bogdan@crl.com) wrote:
:    I've installed 8 more megs RAM to my 486/dx 33, to a previous 8, and so I
: now have 16 megs RAM. Well, so far I haven't seen any speed increases, 
: expecially
: when compiling the kernel. It takes the exact same amount of time to
: compile the kernel with 8 megs as it does with 16 megs of RAM. How come??
: I realize that its using less of the swap space but shouldn't real RAM be
: accessed faster than swap space? How does it work, and when will I start
: to see any benefits from having added the extra 8 megs of RAM?

: Thanks for your input,
: Bogdan Urma
: bogdan@crl.com

:    Is it possible that I got a BAD 8 meg RAM module?? What's an exhaustive
: way of testing that all my RAM is working correctly under Linux?

: Thanks again!

Do you have enough L2 cache? 
I guess if you install more cache, you'll see the difference.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

--
Yasuo Ohgaki
e-mail: yohgaki@diana.cair.du.edu


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From: schuller@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Bart Schuller)
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:34:41 GMT

In article <DHOLLAND.94Jun14122735@husc7.harvard.edu>,
David Holland <dholland@husc7.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>The LGPL wasn't his point; his point was that the module interface is
>a published API. By your reasoning, all elisp is GPL'd too, because it
>uses an API that's specific to Emacs, which is GPL'd. This is, I hope,
>preposterous. 

The problem is: the module interface isn't a _published_ API. I wouldn't
even call it an API. A kernel module can essentially call any internal
kernel function. IMHO, the _time_ of linking shouldn't alter the GPL-ness
of kernel modules.

Bart.
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From: leeuw@cwi.nl (Andre M.A. van Leeuwen)
Subject: PCI cards (Summary)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:56:11 GMT


-- 
Hello all,

Some time ago I posted a question regarding PCI video cards that
are Linux and Xfree86 compatible. I promised to submit a summary
of the results, well, this is it.

Cards reported to work:

PCI S3/928-1Mb, offered by Intel
PCI S3/908p, Quantel(?), needs 'option nolinear'
ATI xio card, Mach32
ATI GUP-PCI, 2Mb VRAM, Mach32
ATI Mach32 PCI, 2Mb DRAM, noname and ACER
Elsa Winner 1000 PCI
SPea Mercury 2Mb, (no burst mode?)
Number 9 level 12 PCI Video Controller (135Mhz not supported)
miro Crystal 8S S3-805 based graphics card


Someone has used both a ATI Mach32 based card and a PCI S3/928 based
card and reported sharper images with the latter.
Note: I am told that the PCI version of the ATI Mach32 only comes
in the DRAM version, though some people reported having VRAM on
the card. If anyone is sure (s)he has VRAM on it (you can check
with the test programs supplied with the card) please drop me
a note.

I hope this is of use to anyone; I currently own a Mach32 based card
with 2Mb DRAM. It has a 135MHz clock, but because I don't have my new
monitor yet, I could not try to use that clock yet.


Greetings,

Andre.

 =================================================
|Drs. Andre M.A. van Leeuwen          leeuw@cwi.nl|
|Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science (CWI)|
|Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands|
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From: badelsman@aol.com (BAdelsman)
Subject: Re: Chain booting Linux?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 19:58:01 -0400

In article <2tjq91$76e@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, anon123a@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Yanming PENG) writes:

> YES, it works. I did it with Slackware 1.2.0 standard installation.
> create a 2MB partition on your IDE and mount it as /boot. Edit the 
> /etc/lilo.conf to reflect the change. Put the map on /boot (it is
by
> default). Try this first by install LILO on floppy. BTW: you had
better
> to create an ext2 file system on /boot or you will have troubles
with
> Slackware installation program. If everything works, install lilo
map on
> /boot and add this partition into OS2 boot manager. VOILA!

Forgive me, I am a bit of a newbie.  What exactly do you mean by
'map'?
Do you mean I should specify boot = /boot   in my lilo.conf and then 
simply execute 'lilo' to write out the boot record?

I'll give it a try, based on what I think you're describing but I
tried pointing
boot = /dev/hda5 and using 'lilo' to write a boot record but when I
booted it
via boot manager it came up with the 'L01010101...' screen.  I'll
ensure I
mkfs the partition and see if that matters.

I should mention, I am trying to boot chain from a logical drive on
the IDE drive.

Thanks for any help!
Bruce Adelsman

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From: unrza3@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
Subject: Re: PCI Motherboards
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:04:18 +0200
Reply-To: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

zxmgv07@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will) writes:

>I would recommend PCI - and if you do use PCI you have to use 72pin simms anywy.

The PCI bus itself doesn't require PS/2 72pin SIMMs. Most of the first
PCI boards based on the Intel chipsets were intended for the high end market
and there the new 32-bit wide PS/2 SIMMs are most appropriate. Now,
over 8 months after the first PCI boards have been sold, about half
a dozend other chip manufacturers offer PCI chip sets and boards
for the low cost market have already started to become available.
These boards often have also VLB slots, and in contrast to the
Intel chipsets, they sometimes contain some kind of VLB/PCI bridge, i.e.
the PCI bus is behind the VESA bus. This doesn't give the very high
performance of the pure PCI chip sets like Intel's Saturn, but it is much
cheaper and offers both VLB and PCI slots. Some of these new low cost PCI
boards use the old SIMMs. So if you want to continue to use your old
SIMMs, there is no need to stay away from PCI today.

BTW: There has been some rumour that Drew will present his Linux
NCR SCSI PCI driver on the Linux conference in Heidelberg in a few
weeks. Any confirmations ... ;-)

Markus

-- 
Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student -- University of Erlangen,
Internet Mail: <mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> - Germany
WWW Home: <http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/user/mskuhn>

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From: tpg@trillian.mr.net (Terry Gliedt)
Subject: E-mail address for Yggdrasil please
Date: 15 Jun 1994 00:47:06 GMT
Reply-To: tpg@mr.net

I'd like to contact someone at Yggdrasil.  Would someone from there
contact me directly or others provide an e-mail address.  Thanks
===================================================================
Software Toolsmiths      Terry Gliedt   (507) 356-4710   tpg@mr.net

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: corey@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (william.c.brown)
Subject: Open apology to all Linux users
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:25:11 GMT


        Several days ago I posted a reply to a message that had
        originally made a statement about someones "Grandma" using
        Linux. My reply to the original poster was intended to be
        a joke about Grandma having a good Internet provider.

        Well evidently my reply struck a raw nerve with some Linux
        users and I was flamed TERRIBLY. This letter then is my formal
        apology to all the Linux users that I might have pissed off.

        I am very sorry if I offended you, your grandma or the Linux
        community at large.

        BTW. Check the new improved shortened .sig

        --Corey

/* Corey Brown  (WB0RXQ): 20m, 15m, 2m(146.82) 70cm(443.65)     */
/* AT&T NSD                  |  corey@hustler.att.com           */
/* Alpharetta, Ga 30202      |  attmail!wcbrown                 */
/* (404)750-8071                                                */

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From: faustus@zilker.net (Bret Patterson)
Subject: Re: 8 megs --> 16 megs ??!?
Date: 15 Jun 1994 01:01:37 GMT

Bogdan Urma (bogdan@crl.com) wrote:
:    I've installed 8 more megs RAM to my 486/dx 33, to a previous 8, and so I
: now have 16 megs RAM. Well, so far I haven't seen any speed increases, 
: expecially
: when compiling the kernel. It takes the exact same amount of time to
: compile the kernel with 8 megs as it does with 16 megs of RAM. How come??
: I realize that its using less of the swap space but shouldn't real RAM be
: accessed faster than swap space? How does it work, and when will I start
: to see any benefits from having added the extra 8 megs of RAM?

When you run X windows you will notice a big difference when you have
many applications opened. When you compile the kernel you don't need
more than 8 megs of ram unless you are compiling from X-Windows. So you
won't notice and speed difference. You just plainly don't need more
than 8 megs unless you run X Windows or do something out of the
ordinary.
: Thanks for your input,
: Bogdan Urma
: bogdan@crl.com

:    Is it possible that I got a BAD 8 meg RAM module?? What's an exhaustive
: way of testing that all my RAM is working correctly under Linux?

: Thanks again!


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From: faustus@zilker.net (Bret Patterson)
Subject: Trantor T130 SCSI-2 with texel cdrom
Date: 15 Jun 1994 01:10:34 GMT

Does anyone know how, or where to find out how to get linux to work
with a Trantor SCSI-2 and a Texel CD-Rom drive. Sucks to have a CD-Rom
and not be able to use it under linux.


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From: hwang@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: Term115 compile problem!
Date: 15 Jun 1994 01:15:37 GMT

Hello there:

        I am really new to the Linux system, and I have some compile problem/ I
hope someone can help me here.

        I am using the Slackware 1.2 linux distribution. I am trying to compile 
the term115, but it keeps giving me the following error message. I am using
the original makefile. I would like to know if I need to modify the makefile
or do something else to  make this program to work.

        Any help will be very appreciated.

Thanks, :)


Tony Wang
---
e-mail: hwang@ecst.csuchico.edu

============================= Error Message =========================
make  all
make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/test1/term115'
gcc -O  -o term main.o serial.o misc.o link.o pty.o compress.o checksum.o meta.o statistics.o sevenbit.o spipe.o client.a 
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ZERO referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ZERO referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ZERO referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_SET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_SET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_SET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_SET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_SET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_SET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ISSET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ISSET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ISSET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ISSET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ISSET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ISSET referencedd from text segment
main.o: Undefined Symbol _FD_ISSET referencedd from text segment
                         . . . . .
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/test1/term115'
                         . . . . .

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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: i saw chicago!
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:01:49 GMT

choo@actcom.co.il (guy keren) writes:

>The man is right about one thing: neither emacs nor VI are comfortable as
>Word Processors. You might say it is convinient, but Many people i learned 
>in the university with, didn't like vi, and many others didn't like emacs.
>the fact that i use vi for virtually anything (except for typing hebrew text)
>doesn't mean it's comfortable using it. So it's pointless to argue about
>how much emacs is free and great, when many people simply don't like it.

Fine.  Then buy and use WordPerfect for Unix, Island Write for Unix,
Applixware for Unix, Framemaker for Unix, etc, etc...

> If Linux want to compete with other OSes, it should pay attention to
>what people want that they have in systems like mswindows.

You switched from wordprocessing applications to OS's.  There are plently
of very good wordprocessors for the Unixes.  Just because they are not
free is rather irrelevant- they are not free for other OS's either.

> If linux
>prefers not to do that, then next time just send email to the person directly,
>and tell him personally what your opinion is. 
>btw, being rude isn't the way to argue these things off.

Definately agreed.
-- 
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  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Subject: Re: Why Linux?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 23:42:20 -0700

Quoting what John Dyson (dysonj@delphi.com) wrote, I wrote:

 [...]

: No rug has been pulled out from FreeBSD -- */we/* are making many new
: improvements and rewriting large sections of the code.  */We/* are
: building on an existing, proven platform.  NIH (not invented here) is
: NOT one of /*our*/ mottos, and if the BSD code base is good (which it is),
: */we/* are not going to rewrite it just because it is not something that
: */we/* did ourselves. ... {my emphases} 

 [...]

    With Linux, nobody gets to speak in first person plural.

    There is only us.

    And that, to me, is an important difference.

  <BH
-- 
  Bill Hogan
{bhogan@crl.com}

Whereupon said John Tyson replied:
:  
: Apparently you mistook my tense.  Sorry, but apparently you *want* to
: understand it the way that you do, and that is fine with me.
:  
: FreeBSD is an ongoing project made up of dedicated software professionals,
: and all you have to do to join the project is to contribute and be in
: good cheer!!!  If you have ever had contact with a FreeBSD team member
: (like me), I think that you would have had a different impression.  Isn't
: prejudice terrible???
:  
: John
: dyson@implode.root.com

  I mistook nothing.

  I read what you wrote and I prefaced my statement of my personal
response to what you wrote by quoting exactly what I was responding to. 

  By deleting what I said and then loftily mischaracterizing it, you
merely confirm my point.

  What I said has the simple virtue of being true, yet you reacted to it
as if it were a personal attack. 

  Well, I am not a "dedicated software professional" and I don't wish to
be one; moreover, I do not conceive of myself as having "joined" Linux,
and that is another example of a difference between the BSD milieu (if you
will) and Linux that is *important to me*. 

  As you evidently do not seem to believe that what is important to me is
important enough not to mischaracterize it, let me be a little more blunt. 

  Why isn't FreeBSD distributed under the FSF GPL?

  That is a question, not an attack, and I would sincerely appreciate 
hearing answer to that question.
-- 
  Bill Hogan
{bhogan@crl.com}

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From: choo@actcom.co.il (guy keren)
Subject: Re: i saw chicago!
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 01:04:33 GMT

Leo L Turetsky (professor+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 12-Jun-94 Re: i saw chicago!
: by Andrew Grillet@purplet.d
: >  I dont need equations to dash off a letter to the tax man, or bank manager.

: So your needs are simplistic. So what?

: >  After 8 years intermittent use I still cant remember how to use emacs
: >  And I cant use VI even with the documentation in front of me.

: After 8 years of intermittent use a monkey can learn to use emacs and
: vi. This in no way demonstrates that Linux, UNIX, HP/UX, Sun, NeXTSTeP,
: Xenix, etc... are bad operating systems. Since we're on a Linux bboard
: I'll keep my argument to Linux examples but I'd like you to know that
: NeXTSTeP comes with emacs, gcc, and gdb on the CD and NeXTSTeP is not
: free (shows that these programs must be worthy of at least something for
: those of us that aren't monkeys). Emacs 19.25 is more of an operating
: system than DOS not only is but can hope to be. Emacs can do almost
: everything. Because you can't use it doesn't mean it's bad. There are
: plenty of things I can't do in Emacs but that only impresses me more.

[rest deleted]

The man is right about one thing: neither emacs nor VI are comfortable as
Word Processors. You might say it is convinient, but Many people i learned 
in the university with, didn't like vi, and many others didn't like emacs.
the fact that i use vi for virtually anything (except for typing hebrew text)
doesn't mean it's comfortable using it. So it's pointless to argue about
how much emacs is free and great, when many people simply don't like it. If
Linux want to compete with other OSes, it should pay attention to
what people want that they have in systems like mswindows. If linux
prefers not to do that, then next time just send email to the person directly,
and tell him personally what your opinion is. 
btw, being rude isn't the way to argue these things off.

guy keren


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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
From: southiea@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Southiere Alain)
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for SVGA card
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 23:19:10 GMT

In article <2tj0gr$bkt@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>, Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) wrote:
: Which ISA video card would give me the best quality 1024x768x256
: resolution, under Linux/XFree86, for the least cost?  What is the
: general opinion on the Trident SVGA cards (those you can find with 1M
: for $58.00).

   The Trident is a good card, run on everything and has drivers for 
everything. The downside is that it's one of the slowest card around.

   For good speed at 1024x768x256, I would suggest a 2 mb video card,
S3 based (except Diamond, which have a non-standard architecture) and
probably ET4000w32 would be good choices. The w32 is probably the best
around for text mode. S3 is better for graphics, but not very good
on text mode.

--
Alain Southiere                    | You can't always get what you want,
southiea@jsp.umontreal.ca          | But if you try sometimes,
===================================| You might find you get what you need !
OS/2 2.1 Operate at a higher level |                -The Rolling Stones

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From: John Dyson <dysonj@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Why Linux?
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 21:05:31 -0500

Bill Hogan <bhogan@crl.com> writes:
 
>: */we/* did ourselves. ... {my emphases} 
>
> [...]
>
>  With Linux, nobody gets to speak in first person plural.
 
Apparently you mistook my tense.  Sorry, but apparently you *want* to
understand it the way that you do, and that is fine with me.
 
FreeBSD is an ongoing project made up of dedicated software professionals,
and all you have to do to join the project is to contribute and be in
good cheer!!!  If you have ever had contact with a FreeBSD team member
(like me), I think that you would have had a different impression.  Isn't
prejudice terrible???
 
John
dyson@implode.root.com

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From: John Dyson <dysonj@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Why Linux?
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 21:09:25 -0500

Dan Newcombe <newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu> writes:
 
>       Is there Mitsumi support better than the current Linux support?  In other 
>words, can the FreeBSD driver run my double speed drive at double speed???
>
>And if so, would it be possible to use it for a basis for a new Linux one?
 
I do not use the FreeBSD Mitsumi driver, but if you are looking for
an upgrade -- the FreeBSD one wont' be it :-).  It is a little primitive.
I have been thinking about getting a Mitsumi drive (just for program loading)
and if I do -- it (the driver) will be UPGRADED!!!
 
John
dyson@implode.root.com

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From: Yi.Jin@launchpad.unc.edu (Yi Jin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone
Subject: ATI GUP ISA cards for sale
Date: 15 Jun 1994 13:57:38 GMT


I have a few ATI Graphics Ultra Pro  ISA, 2MB VRAM, for sale.
They are new, never used. Genuine ATI cards, not OEMs. Includes 
manuals and software, in original package.

The video cards come with a mouse (the GUP ISA cards also have a
mouse port).

They support 1280x1024x256,1024x768x65K,800x600x16M, etc.
The GUP video cards are supported by Windows, OS/2, Linux, etc.

Price: $225 plus $10 shipping in US. I will beat any GUP ISA price.

Yi


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: Pascal compiler for Linux?
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 22:57:28 GMT

In <nstnCrEDpM.L6v@netcom.com> nstn@netcom.com (Nathan Stratton) writes:

>In article <2tkeu8$9rt@hamilton.maths.tcd.ie> tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) writes:
>>
>>There is a Pascal compiler, gpc, based on gcc.
>>It shouldn't be difficult to compile under Linux.
>>
>Can you tell us where to get it?
>
Oh, it it soooo difficult to install xarchie and ask it :-)

Since I couldn't see how this question relates to comp.os.linux.admin
and comp.os.linux.development I've removed them from the "Newsgroups"
line. 

People should learn how to use the net _before_ starting posting
questions on Usenet. There are lots of good books on this subject, some
of them _free_.

And now the answer: if you don't mind using a compiler which is in beta
tests and it's actually a hacked gcc, you can find it on
ftp.zdv.uni-mainz.de:/pub/gnu/gpc

xarchie can tell you many other places, if you don't like this one.
And before you ask where you get it, try:
cse.unl.edu:/pub/jbettis/linux/kernel/net-source/Other/xarchie-2.0.9.tar.gz

Dan
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Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
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