Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #266
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Linux-Misc Digest #266, Volume #2                Tue, 14 Jun 94 20:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Pascal compiler for Linux? (Andre April)
  Re: Pascal compiler for Linux? (Eric Gustafson)
  S3 Support - A bit lacking? (Rupert E.D. Johnson)
  Re: Does WP demo work? (was:WordProcessing again) (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (David Holland)
  Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)) (David Holland)
  Re: Suggestions: Tape drives? (Maxim Spivak)
  Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ? (Michael S. Scheidell)
  Re: Returning my linux partition to dos. (Leung Leung)
  Re: Suggestions: Tape drives? (Chun Hsu)
  Re: Two times INGRES, what's the difference? (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: How do I delete a linux partition? (Yasuo Ohgaki)
  Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)) (Paul Nash)
  Re: IOMEGA PC2 Driver Available (Dieter Fritzsche)
  Re: Where is archie for Linux? (Kevin Spousta)
  Re: Linux and UltraStor 34F SCSI Controller (Bruce Evans)

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From: aa@info.ucl.ac.be (Andre April)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Pascal compiler for Linux?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 15:56:24 GMT

Timothy Murphy (tim@maths.tcd.ie) wrote:
: vermeule@wi.leidenuniv.nl (Hans Vermeulen) writes:

: >I am looking for a Pascal compiler for Linux.
: >Is there one out there? I don't like to use a pascal-to-c translator and gcc.
: >So, anybody got a clue? After all, there is modula-2/3, eiffel, fortran, ....,
: >so why no pascal?

: There is a Pascal compiler, gpc, based on gcc.
: It shouldn't be difficult to compile under Linux.


: -- 
: Timothy Murphy  
: e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
: tel: +353-1-2842366
: s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

You may also use uvapc from the University of Virginia. The University price
is $100.


=====
Andre April
Unite d'Informatique
Universite Catholique de Louvain
Belgium

E-Mail: aa@info.ucl.ac.be
Tel: +32.10.47.31.13

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From: eleeb28@columbine.egr.uh.edu (Eric Gustafson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Pascal compiler for Linux?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 16:08:35 GMT

Timothy Murphy (tim@maths.tcd.ie) wrote:
: vermeule@wi.leidenuniv.nl (Hans Vermeulen) writes:

: >I am looking for a Pascal compiler for Linux.
: >Is there one out there? I don't like to use a pascal-to-c translator and gcc.
: >So, anybody got a clue? After all, there is modula-2/3, eiffel, fortran, ....,
: >so why no pascal?

: There is a Pascal compiler, gpc, based on gcc.
: It shouldn't be difficult to compile under Linux.

I just built it for linux yesterday.  I'll wrap up the bin's and docs
in a tar file and put it on sunsite in a little while.  Look for
'gpc-2.5.8-bin.tar.gz' 

--
Eric Gustafson                                      eleeb28@tree.egr.uh.edu
Electrical Engineering                               egustafs@gem.valpo.edu
University of Houston                                 Phone: (713) 265-9430
** Warning ** Planet is 97% full please remove unneeded inhabitants !!

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From: R.E.D.Johnson@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Rupert E.D. Johnson)
Subject: S3 Support - A bit lacking?
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 16:36:11 GMT

Hi all,

After a few teething troubles I now have Linux from the Slackware
distribution working.  I have upgrade the kernel from 1.0.8 -> 1.1.18 with
virtually no problems at all, and I am also running X via XF386_S3 X server
that came with Slackware 2.1.0 (I think?).

My problem is that not only does svgalib not support the S3, (well its in
there but it does not work) but this consiquentily means that Ghostscript
does not work (expect in X), and that anything else using resoultions above
the 16 color margin don't work.  I was wondering what the problem was with
the S3, not many people got them I suppose?

I have also noticed from looking a the kernel sources for booting
(linux/boot/setup.S) that no S3 detection is does so only mode 80x25 and
80x50 are available :-<.  I know that there are other modes supported by my
card (S3 805 local bus, in Dell 450/ME) since under Dos libglx (part of the
djpp distribution does recognise these extra modes and displayes them with no
problem!  I don't suppose that these could be of any help? It just a question
of getting it into the correct mode some how...

I have actually tried to alter the setup.S file with no affect, basically I
trying to figure out exactly where to route the code since I trying to create
a solution that will benfit all S3 owners....

Any help is much appreciated, or any information on how to get
informationabout the S3

        Rupert E.D. Johnson 

                        (3rd Year Computer Systems Engineering)
---
What ever you do don't e2fsck a mounted partition, I install linux several
times before I realsed what I was doing.  Makes me feel like a W.E. Coyote

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Does WP demo work? (was:WordProcessing again)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 16:36:40 GMT

In article <2tk65m$dr9@deneb.dur.ac.uk>, "A.J.Scholl" <A.J.Scholl@durham.ac.uk> says:
+---------------
| 1) An error in the supplied shell script "demo.wp" - in line 54
| there is a "'" missing at the end of the sed command. 
+------------->8

Known problem:  sh/ksh tolerate that kind of lenience; bash doesn't.  This
could be considered a bash incompatibility.

| 2) Having fixed that, I couldn't run the binary wpbin/xwp (it got
| a segmentation fault). I'm running 1.0 kernel (with ELF/COFF
| support) and XFree 2.0.
+------------->8

ELF/COFF executable support in the stock kernel is just binary formats, not
system calls.  You need the iBCS2 emulator, on tsx-11.mit.edu in
/pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2.  Use one of the mid-May releases:  the most recent two
are reported not to patch into the 1.0 kernel properly.  (Yes, this is being
worked on.)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
From: dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Date: 14 Jun 94 12:27:35


bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org's message of Mon, 13 Jun 1994 21:45:16 GMT said:

 > But modules don't link to the GNU C library; they link to the
 > kernel, which is not LGPL'ed.  And the "API" is specific to the
 > GPL'ed program in question (the kernel!) (compare GNU libmp), so
 > it's not exempt from the GPL.  Or such is my understanding.

The LGPL wasn't his point; his point was that the module interface is
a published API. By your reasoning, all elisp is GPL'd too, because it
uses an API that's specific to Emacs, which is GPL'd. This is, I hope,
preposterous. 

--
   - David A. Holland          | "The right to be heard does not automatically
     dholland@husc.harvard.edu |  include the right to be taken seriously."

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist))
From: dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Date: 14 Jun 94 12:32:46


iwalker@kaiwan.com's message of 13 Jun 1994 23:07:59 -0700 said:

 > >rt-11 sucked. That's about all you can say...
 >
 > rt-11 ran real well from paper tape with 16K memory and was truely a
 > Real Time OS.

Perhaps, but if you tried to boot it from a disk... look cross-eyed at
it while it was booting, and bye-bye filesystem.

It did a passable job of running DUNGEON, though.

--
   - David A. Holland          | "The right to be heard does not automatically
     dholland@husc.harvard.edu |  include the right to be taken seriously."

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From: maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Suggestions: Tape drives?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 17:12:09 GMT

In article <2tig58$mqa@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, Chun Hsu <hsuc@egr.msu.edu> wrote:
>Hello all,
[deleted]
>Some questions:
>1.) If I have 2 IDE drives and 2 floppies, can I still hook
>up a tape drive through the floppy controller?

Yes. The tape cable will plug into the floppy controller, and the floppy 
cable will plug into the tape cable.

>2.) Is it worth it to consider a SCSI tape drive?  I am afraid
>that I may eventually need a third disk drive.  Using SCSI now
>would give me that option later.

Probably. Although I have the Jumbo 250, I wish (I think) I have gotten a 
SCSI tape drive. It's faster, and would work fine with my SCSI adapter.

>3.) Will a tape drive be able to back up everything?  Another
>words, if I back up everything, can I redo the partitions and
>restore the OS'es without problem?

Don't know, sorry.

>
>Any help would be appreciated,
>Chun Hsu
>


-- 
**************************************************************************
Maxim Spivak                            |  #include <GoBears.h>
University of California, Berkeley      |  #include <StdDisclaimer.h>
maxims@ucsee.berkeley.edu               |  #include ".signature"

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From: scheidel@gate.net (Michael S. Scheidell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 22:04:16 GMT

Pim Zandbergen (pim@cti-software.nl) wrote:
: After the Adaptec AHA-1742 EISA SCSI host adapter went out of production,
: I tried my luck with a couple of BusLogic 747S cards. They were to
: run with ISC Unix 4.0. At that time, the AHA-2742 driver was not there yet.

: Although the cards seemed to work fine, the machine would lock

: The firmware on my cards is revision 1.37.
  you mean 3.37?

  last fw that worked on multi-ple drives was 3.36
  seems Buslogic doesn't seem to care
  but, look out, fw 3.36 has problem access ram >16mb (using buslogic driver)
  so tell sco you are running a 1540 and it should be ok.


  ps, we sell a 32 bit EISA card that runs 1540 software.  Needed to when 
1740 stopped production
 call dave in sales here for pricing (yes we export, take mc/visa and wire)

--
Michael S. Scheidell                    Florida Datamation, Inc. 
scheidel@inca.gate.net                  (407) 241-2966
Distributers of QNX Real Time OS Products (finger for more info)

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From: h9206508@hkuxa.hku.hk (Leung Leung)
Subject: Re: Returning my linux partition to dos.
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:01:08 GMT



But how to delete the partition in such a ways that the HD has only one 
Dos partition. ie, just like a new harddisk in which 100% of capacity is
allocated to one dos partition. ( Of course, without destroy the original
contents )   Fips can make partition without destroy the old datas but it
seems cannot do the reverse procedure ...



leung
h9206508@hkuxa.hku.hk



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From: hsuc@msu.edu (Chun Hsu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Suggestions: Tape drives?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 20:46:39 GMT
Reply-To: hsuc@egr.msu.edu

Tom Maki (tom@chaos.gw.umn.edu) wrote:
> hsuc@msu.edu (Chun Hsu) writes:
> >2.) Is it worth it to consider a SCSI tape drive?  I am afraid
> >that I may eventually need a third disk drive.  Using SCSI now
> >would give me that option later.

> This is you best choice, IMHO. Unfortanately the are more expensive
> than the cheap 120 MB floppy drives.

> You didn't say how much data you need to backup... you might be

I should have known I would forget something.  I have 2 IDE disk
drives: 212 Mb and 300+ Mb.  BTW, a quick glance through PC Magazine
showed most SCSI tape drives to be expensive and have capacities
around 1 Gbyte or greater.

My current partitions:

OS           Mbyte
DOS/Windows  100+
Linux        100+
OS/2         300+

I need to repartition to give more room for DOS/Windows and Linux.
With this information, what would people recommend.  I don't think
I need much more than 250 Mbyte capacity for the tape drive and
I can't afford to spend a fortune.  However, if I can find a 
reasonably priced 250 Mbyte SCSI tape drive, that would be nice.
As I said before, I may eventually get another disk drive.  SCSI
would be convenient at that point.

Suggestions?
BTW, thanks for all who responded.
--
===========================================================================
 Chun Hsu                                     E-mail: hsuc@egr.msu.edu   
 Masters of Science
 Electrical Engineering                       Michigan State University
===========================================================================

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Two times INGRES, what's the difference?
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 16:52:39 GMT

In article <2tkg2f$7l1@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann) says:
+---------------
| BTW, if you have only ever used SQL, QUEL could be a real eye-opener.
| SQL didn't get to the de facto standard based on its fidelity to the
| relational model--in fact SQL is very badly broken.  When I first had
| to switch to SQL from QUEL I thought it was damned nearly unusable.
| I still curse it daily.  Learning QUEL would be good for your soul.
+------------->8

Sentiment echoed from the other side:  I started out with SQL and hated it.
Later, I designed a embedded query language to autocode a certain RDBMS's
complex API --- and it turned out that I had to some extent reinvented QUEL...
(I'm half tempted to include QUEL compatibility in the next version :-)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: yasuo@via.term.none (Yasuo Ohgaki)
Subject: Re: How do I delete a linux partition?
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 17:56:26 GMT

ronb@cc.usu.edu wrote:
:       I was running linux on a 120 MB partition on my hard drive, but now
: need to clear it... I'll be puting Unix on a second drive.  I used fips to
: split the main partition, but it will not allow me to delete the linux
: partitions and expand the DOS partition to reclaim the space.  Any ideas?

:         rOn

You can use the flopply disk to restore old partition, but I think it's
not good idea. How about just make the partition to DOS partition? 
It's less than 128MB, so you will get smaller sector than one large
partiton. Just an idea. (You can delete linux partition using DOS
fdisk(or linux fdisk). Of course, you can't make 2 partition to 1 partition,
though.

--
Yasuo Ohgaki
e-mail: yohgaki@diana.cair.du.edu


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From: paul@frcs.alt.za (Paul Nash)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist))
Date: 14 Jun 1994 18:40:02 +0200

peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva) writes:

> Oh, then I can talk about the 3 user 1802-based development system with 4K of
> ROM and 12K of RAM and 2 bog-standard 250K IBM-style 8" floppies. I think it

It's not in the same class, but the first "real" computer that I worked
on was a Varian (now Sperry) with 16kbytes (8kwords) of magnetic core,
than could multitask 12 users running Basic from Teletype terminals.

The beauty of the magnetic memory was that you could power the machine
down, turn it back on again and carry on from where you left off.
-- 
 Paul Nash                    network grunt and bit-pusher extraordinaire
 paul@frcs.alt.za          PO Box 12475, Onderstepoort, 0110 South Africa

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From: dieter@dischw.toppoint.de (Dieter Fritzsche)
Subject: Re: IOMEGA PC2 Driver Available
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 15:00:13 GMT

In <2ti19i$itl@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Brian Hughes <bhu@amherst.com> writes:
>    On Friday (Jun 10 I guess) I uploaded my IOMEGA PC2/2B driver for
>Linux to sunsite.unc.edu.  It's under the filename iomega_pc2.tar.gz, and
>contains 2 files and kernel patches so you can use your PC2 under
>Linux.

>    For those if you that are curious: The PC2 is a SCSI card that was sold 
>by IOMEGA in the mid 80's.  It's a half-length 8-bit card that get's REALLY 
>HOT and, in addition to being the adapter for IOMEGA's old Bernoulli drives, 
>has the ability to heat a small room.  The PC2B is the same thing with a
>boot ROM on it so you can boot off of it.  

>    For those of you that are more curious: I have an A210H hooked up to
>mine.  It weighs 72 lbs (no kidding!), generates more heat than my PC2,
>sounds like a truck, and takes the giant 8 inch 10M cartridges.  I think
>the case is cast-iron, but even if it isn't, I'm sure it could withstand
>and small nuclear blast.  In spite of it's age, it has a 35ms average
>access time and will transfer 47k/s (with the Linux driver on my 486-33).
>I have been continually impressed with it's reliability ever since I got
>it (for $20 at and old equipment auction last year... with the card and
>15 cartridges!)

>    Have fun... 

>-     -     -     -    -   -  - -Brian Hughes- -  -   -    -     -       -
>            bhu@amherst.com || bwh8918@rit.edu || bwh8918@cs.rit.edu            
>-     -     -     -    -   -  - --          -- -  -   -    -     -       -

>--
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-- 
Dieter Fritzsche                                             dieter@toppoint.de
Maehlsweg 32 ,D-24159 Kiel Germany                            Master of the WOM
Tel   .: +49 431 362705 (Voice)                         BORLAND-NET:100:492/205
FAX\BOX: +49 431 361437 XA,CM,ZYX-Borland-Net           compuserve   100060,654

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: d00n@crash.cts.com (Kevin Spousta)
Subject: Re: Where is archie for Linux?
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:27:07 GMT

In <2tcjej$mdt@bronze.coil.com> bradb@bronze.coil.com (Brad Block) writes:

>Does anyone know where I could find archie for Linux?

I found an Xarchie client on sunsite last night, but haven't installed it yet.
I did seem to recall seeing archie something in either the apps or utils
directories, but I was X-hunting...


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From: bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Linux and UltraStor 34F SCSI Controller
Date: 15 Jun 1994 03:50:38 +1000

In article <2tito8$ed7@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>,
Drew Eckhardt <drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu> wrote:
>In article <CrD13M.3Bp@boulder.parcplace.com>,
>Warner Losh <imp@boulder.parcplace.com> wrote:
>>
>>You need to move the UltraStore from the default 0x330 to 0x340 when
>>booting the default kernels because the ethernet card probes scramble
>>the UltraStor's brain.  I have my turbo switch hooked up so I can boot
>>default kernels, and FreeBSD (which seems to want the card at 0x330,
>>at least early versions did).  If you don't have ethernet enabled,
>>then you'll be able to keep the card at 0x330.
>
>It's allready in the SCSI HOWTO, under the Common Problems subsection
>of section 3.12 (Ultrastor 14f, 24f, and 34f) - 
>
>2.  Using an Ultrastor at address 0x330 may cause the system to hang
>        when the sound drivers are autoprobing.

I thought that it was the Adaptec 1542 probe that scrambed the
Ultrastor.  When I was swapping a Buslogic 445S and an Ultrastor 34F
(with all device adresses and irqs the same as the 445S defaults, so
the U34F was at 0x330), I had to recompile the kernel with the
appropriate driver to get the SCSI controller to work.
-- 
Bruce Evans  bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au

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