Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #265
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Date:     Tue, 14 Jun 94 14:13:22 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #265, Volume #2                Tue, 14 Jun 94 14:13:22 EDT

Contents:
  Re: future of Unixware (Wayne Schlitt)
  Re: Chain booting Linux? (Yanming PENG)
  Re: Does WP demo work? (was:WordProcessing again) (Gareth Webber)
  Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux (Yanming PENG)
  Re: future of Unixware (Jonathan A Buzzard)
  Re: future of Unixware (Jonathan A Buzzard)
  Re: Pascal compiler for Linux? (Timothy Murphy)
  Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ? (Michael L. VanLoon)
  Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ? (Bill Campbell)
  Re: Xwindow screen saver/lock program (Gregor Schulz)
  wtmp corrupted, then...   (Cheung Wing Yiu)
  Re: Two times INGRES, what's the difference? (Roy Hann)
  Re: Fast Ethernet Adapter (Mark Lord)
  help installing slackware linux (bob)
  stability and kudos (Ron Smits)

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From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:14:07 GMT
Reply-To: wayne@cse.unl.edu

In article <2tjc5g$4ma@bhairav.ee.iitb.ernet.in> vinod@annapurna (Vinod.G.Kulkarni) writes:
> 
> Any product, to be successful, requires
>   -- A very good marketing support
>   -- A good amount of advertising
>   -- After sales support
>   -- support from other peripheral vendors  etc.

Ah, yes, that explains why no one used GNU emacs, gcc, perl, pcomm,
cnews, etc.


> For linux, NONE of these are available. It is perhaps IMPOSSIBLE to 
> advertise for linux since the benefits of advertising neednot necessarily
> go to advertiser.  (At least not at the scale expected.)  After sales
> support is not possible easily - no one company can set up its offices
> all over to support linux. 

Ah, yes, you are obviously very well informed about Linux.  Other than
the fact that there _are_ people who market, advertise, give after the
sales support for Linux.  Some people/companies are even working with
some peripheral vendors.  I guess it is _not_ impossible to advertise
Linux, since you can pick up most Unix World magazines and find at
least one or two adds for it.  Oh, I guess that isn't the scale that
you expect.  After the sales support is never easy, but people are
doing it.


> In spite of so many deficiencies, you find so much of discussion going on  
> about linux! Does it convey anything?

Yeah, your premises of your argument are false, therefore your
argument isn't sound.



-wayne
-- 
The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of
enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is
that he wants to believe.    -Voltaire

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From: anon123a@nyx.cs.du.edu (Yanming PENG)
Subject: Re: Chain booting Linux?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 02:37:53 -0600

badelsman@aol.com (BAdelsman) writes:

>I have Linux installed on the third disk in my system (I have 2 IDE,
>1 SCSI).  OS/2 boot manager can only do boots from the first two
>disks, hence it won't boot Linux.

>However, I think I can still use boot manager, if I simply chain from
>a partition on one of the first two IDE drives.  Here's what I'd like
>to do:
>a) Create a small partition on the second IDE drive (about 2M in
>size)
>b) Copy my floppy disk boot image into that partition
>c) Set up boot manager to boot that partition

you had better put LILO there too.

>Would this work?  

YES, it works. I did it with Slackware 1.2.0 standard installation.
create a 2MB partition on your IDE and mount it as /boot. Edit the 
/etc/lilo.conf to reflect the change. Put the map on /boot (it is by
default). Try this first by install LILO on floppy. BTW: you had better
to create an ext2 file system on /boot or you will have troubles with
Slackware installation program. If everything works, install lilo map on
/boot and add this partition into OS2 boot manager. VOILA!

With LILO, you can put several kernels there in case you want them:-)

>Any assistance would be appreciated.  E-mail prefered:
>badelsman@aol.com

Hope it helps.

>Thanks,
>Bruce Adelsman
>Rochester, MN

Good luck!

Yanming


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From: gpw1000@cus.cam.ac.uk (Gareth Webber)
Subject: Re: Does WP demo work? (was:WordProcessing again)
Date: 14 Jun 1994 13:32:11 GMT

: 2) Having fixed that, I couldn't run the binary wpbin/xwp (it got
: a segmentation fault). I'm running 1.0 kernel (with ELF/COFF
: support) and XFree 2.0.

Did you get and compile the iBCS2 emulator module from tsx-11.mit.edu as this
is required for SCO progs to work under linux...

: Has anyone got this to work???

: Tony (a.j.scholl@durham.ac.uk)

gary...

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From: anon123a@nyx.cs.du.edu (Yanming PENG)
Subject: Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux
Date: 14 Jun 1994 07:42:16 -0600

krauss@charlie.igd.fhg.de (Jens Krauss (Steinfath)) writes:

>Hy all,

>I want to buy such a tape drive. But I know, that you can only write
>80MBs on such tapes physically. Dos software has abilities to compress
>the data, so that you can get 250MBs on them. (I know gnu tar, wich compresses the data!) How much do YOU get on your floppz tape????
>(sorry, the tape you put in your drive....)

>ciao Jens

I have just put 185MB linux stuffs on one tape with Conner 250MB,
ftape 1.1.2 kernel 1.0.8. Everything works find. I use GNU tar
with z option (compression). 5 times faster than DOS/Windoze
backup programs on my SCSI HD.

BTW: Conner BACKUP Basic 1.1 for DOS and 1.2 for Windows suck! They
always give buserror or DMA violation error if I check the compare
option. I can't even restore the backup because of the error.
I use cpbackup.exe to restore backup. The backup speed is very low
on my SCSI HD. (but normal on my 2 IDE HD).

Yanming

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: phyjab1@phyd4c4.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Jonathan A Buzzard)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Reply-To: phyjab1@phyd4c4.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Jonathan A Buzzard)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 12:52:52 GMT


--

>>2)    What working groups exist and how can they be contacted?  I'm
>>      afraid I can't take the Yddragsil(sp?)/Russian effort seriously
>>      with the information I've seen.
>
>Check the comp.window.x and motif groups.  There has been quite a bit of
>discussion recently.  As well in the Linux groups, of course.

Done that seen nothing! Now does anyone know of a real effort underway?

JAB.

===============================================================================
Jonathan A. Buzzard,              
Physics Department,           Email:-
Heriot-Watt University,            phyjab1@caledonia.hw.ac.uk   InterNet
Edinburgh. EH14 4AS                phyjab1@uk.ac.hw.clust       JANET
United Kingdom.

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: phyjab1@phyd4c4.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Jonathan A Buzzard)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Reply-To: phyjab1@phyd4c4.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Jonathan A Buzzard)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 13:06:33 GMT


--

>Are you referring to "the specifications" in the sense of the widely
>available OSF Motif "White book" documentation for 1.1 and (recently) 1.2?
>
>If so, this is necessary but not sufficient information... it does not
>include the value of manifest constants, and the assignment order is
>not the same as the appearance order in the documentation, as you would
>expect.

Nope I think he means the IEEE standard P1295.

  The P1295 standard specification of more than six hundred pages is derived
  from the OSF/Motif documentation set, and specifies both the application
  programming interface (API) and appearance and behavior (look and feel) for 
  Motif. Motif 1.2 is compliant with this new standard.

However I believe that this is missing darg&drop, internationalization and gadgets.


JAB.

===============================================================================
Jonathan A. Buzzard,              
Physics Department,           Email:-
Heriot-Watt University,            phyjab1@caledonia.hw.ac.uk   InterNet
Edinburgh. EH14 4AS                phyjab1@uk.ac.hw.clust       JANET
United Kingdom.

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From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Pascal compiler for Linux?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 15:30:32 +0100

vermeule@wi.leidenuniv.nl (Hans Vermeulen) writes:

>I am looking for a Pascal compiler for Linux.
>Is there one out there? I don't like to use a pascal-to-c translator and gcc.
>So, anybody got a clue? After all, there is modula-2/3, eiffel, fortran, ....,
>so why no pascal?

There is a Pascal compiler, gpc, based on gcc.
It shouldn't be difficult to compile under Linux.


-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

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From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ?
Date: 14 Jun 94 15:55:55 GMT

In <CrDswJ.7qE@cti-software.nl> pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) writes:

>I tried my luck with a couple of BusLogic 747S cards. They were to
>run with ISC Unix 4.0. At that time

>Although the cards seemed to work fine, the machine would lock
>up when multiple SCSI drives are accessed simultaneously.
>This could happen when accessing both tape and disk simultaneously,
>but would almost happen immediately when accessing two disks.
>When that happens, all processes seem to keep running, until
>they access the disk.

>I have tried all sorts of hardware.

>At the time, I was unable to test any other OS than ISC.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Replacing the BusLogic with an Adaptec (1542 or 1742)
>would *always* fix the problem.

>The problem is that our BusLogic dealer says "the cards work
>just fine with SCO and Netware, it must be your ISC driver"
>and our ISC dealer claims I've got a hardware problem, as the card
>fails with two different ISC drivers.

It sounds to me like ISC has to be at fault.  I know of many people
using BusLogic bt747s cards happily under NetBSD and FreeBSD, and you
know some of them have to be using multiple drives.  I personally, run
a bt747s under NetBSD-current with a single Quantum SCSI-2 hard drive.
I have at times in the past, however, had an external SCSI-1 Exabyte
tape drive connected to the machine at the same time, and it worked
flawlessly (well, except for the damn tape drive eating a tape...
*grrrr*).

You might also check two other things: First, make *sure* you have
good SCSI cables and termination is completely correct.  You might
also try switching which device is the end of the chain and which
device gets end termination.  Also, make sure not more than two
devices have termination power enabled.  Second, have you tried this
combination in a different brand EISA machine?  Maybe your motherboard
manufacturer has a screwie EISA chipset or something.

>       1) Which OS are you running

NetBSD-current

>       2) Are you using native or aha1540 drivers

No.  This could likely cause you problems.  I am using the
NetBSD-current bt747s driver.

>       3) What is the firmware revision of your card

BIOS 4.70; Firmware 3.37.

>       4) What SCSI drives are you using
>       5) What kind of system/motherboard are you using

>The firmware on my cards is revision 1.37.

Are you sure that's not 3.37?  Otherwise, that sounds OOOoooooold.
If it is 1.37, I'd call BusLogic and ask for an upgrade.

-- 
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    michaelv@iastate.edu                    Project Vincent Systems Staff
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From: bill@camco1.celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: Anyone using a BusLogic 747S with multiple disk drives ?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 09:23:06 -0700

In <CrDswJ.7qE@cti-software.nl> pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) writes:

:After the Adaptec AHA-1742 EISA SCSI host adapter went out of production,
:I tried my luck with a couple of BusLogic 747S cards. They were to
:run with ISC Unix 4.0. At that time, the AHA-2742 driver was not there yet.

I'm running 5 disks on this system with a BusLogic BT742s, 2 on
another workstation with a BT747S, and 2 hard disks plus 6 optical
drives on another BT747S.  No problems with them under ODT 3.0.

Bill
-- 
INTERNET:  bill@Celestial.COM   Bill Campbell; Celestial Software
UUCP:   ...!thebes!camco!bill   8545 SE 68th Street
                   camco!bill   Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?

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From: gschulz@pille (Gregor Schulz)
Subject: Re: Xwindow screen saver/lock program
Date: 14 Jun 1994 14:30:26 GMT

dbl@levad.oau.org (/bin/bash) writes:

>Does anywone know of a screen saver other than xlock for Xwindows? I hate to
>admit it, I have a Messy Dos Windoze screen saver that kicks butt. I have xlock
>but it seems lame compared to the one I have for Windoze. I hate to see 
>Windoze have something better than Linux!!!!!


I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE WRITING UNMISTAKEBLE HEADLINES
IF SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION WHICH SHOULD BE ANSWERED FOR HIM.
IT IS SUCH A WASTE OF TIME READING ARTICLES WHICH DON'T CONTAIN
WHAT I EXPECT AFTER READING THE HEADLINE OR IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
ARTICLE CONTAINS.

YES, THE CAPITALIZED LETTERS ARE OK BECAUSE I'M REALLY FURIOUS ABOUT
THIS.

Gregor


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From: ac_cwyiu@uxmail.ust.hk (Cheung Wing Yiu)
Subject: wtmp corrupted, then...  
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 13:19:07 GMT

[ Article crossposted from hkust.testgroup1 ]
[ Author was A kid from Questions ]
[ Posted on Tue, 14 Jun 1994 07:04:27 GMT ]

Hello all...

   Just want to ask what can i do if i have removed the wtmp and utmp
    files from my little Linux box... ??
    cos.. the information from 'lasting' the logon_users are now messed up..
    in very ugly ways..... like violin.. :P 
   
   So.. are there any way to fix it ??
    :)

Thanks... :)
yiu.
--
Dream_Land := Wagga^2, Australia.                 ac_cwyiu@uxmail.ust.hk.
wondered : WhenWhereWhatWhichWhoseWhoHowEVER U R, cpacwyiu@dma290.ust.hk. 
            I will be there, right here.

--
                                                    Ernest, CHEUNG Wing Yiu
                                   Year2 BBA(Hons) in Managerial Accounting
                         The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology

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From: rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann)
Subject: Re: Two times INGRES, what's the difference?
Date: 14 Jun 1994 14:49:51 GMT

janw@cs.ruu.nl (Jan Willems) writes:
: 
: Dear netters,
: 
:       As a new user on an a large Ingres database system I wondered what
:       the differences are between Ingres, the commercial product, and
:       the free Ingres on my linux cd-rom (other than pure size).
:       Have they evolved from the same source (like unix)? Can they still
:       read each others databases? Is there any further reading on 
:       similarities/differences between the two?
: 
:       Please respond to clear this up.

For the answer to these and other questions, consult the excellent 
INGRES FAQ in /pub/ingres on fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (~230Kb).

To answer your question quickly here: the answer is "sort of."

Commercial INGRES was launched by Relational Technology Inc using the
code from the Berkeley project.  This went through several revs based
on the original architecture.  In the late 80s the back-end was 
completely re-designed from the ground up with a single multi-threaded
server.  Some of the guts are no doubt still of Berkeley origin, but
probably not much.  Another big difference is that the commercial
version has native SQL support in addition to QUEL.  Now that 
Computer Associates has bought the ASK Group (the last vendor of
INGRES), QUEL support will probably be dropped completely real soon.

The commercial version also has dozens of layered products: NET and
STAR, ABF, Windows4GL, KME (rules and procedures), OME (object 
management), Replicator (synchronous and asynchronous replication),
VISION, etc, etc.

I am inclined to think that they could not access each other's 
tables, although the import/export functions probably are compatible
provided you don't use NULLs (supported in the commercial version).

BTW, if you have only ever used SQL, QUEL could be a real eye-opener.
SQL didn't get to the de facto standard based on its fidelity to the
relational model--in fact SQL is very badly broken.  When I first had
to switch to SQL from QUEL I thought it was damned nearly unusable.
I still curse it daily.  Learning QUEL would be good for your soul.

========================================================================

Roy Hann
Senior Analyst, Information Systems        rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca
University of Alberta Hospitals            (MIME-capable mail agent)
WMC 2C2.21, 8440-112th Street,     
Edmonton, Alberta                          Tel: (403)492-4367
T6G 0N4                                    FAX: (403)492-3090
Canada

PLEASE: No shipments by courier from outside Canada; use regular mail.
========================================================================

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Fast Ethernet Adapter
Date: 14 Jun 1994 15:22:23 GMT

In article <2tia1l$520@galaxy.ucr.edu> rhyde@mirage.ucr.edu writes:
>Yes, I've read the FAQ.
>Yes, I've read lots of recent posts.
>Hell, I've even read the source code to the existing ethernet cards.
>And, yes, I've read the BYTE article.
>
>Now, is there anyone who can give me a definitive answer concerning:
>"what is the fastest ethernet card I can buy for my system?"
>I am willing to buy a new system to get better ethernet performance, btw.

The Ethernet-HOWTO has a discussion of various ethernet cards,
and of their performance under linux.  The 3C509 was highly regarded
for systems which can tolerate its very low interrupt latency requirements
(ie.. if you use IDE, then install the IDE Perf.Pkg and use hdparm x 1).


-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: rjw@four-h.purdue.edu (bob)
Subject: help installing slackware linux
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:19:43 GMT


I am attempting to install the Slackware version of Linux on a PCI bus
machine with a 540 Mb Conner CFA540A IDE hard drive.  When I boot from
the
boot kernel diskette, I get the following error:

   hd.c:  ST-506 interface disk with more than 16 heads detected,
probably           due to non-standard sector translation.  Giving up.
           (disk 0: cyl = 524, sect = 63, heads = 32)

The boot proceeds, but I am unable to mount the hard drive (making
installation
somewhat difficult).

In the SETUP for my PC, the hard drive is defined with the following
geometry:

   cyl = 1048, sect = 63, heads = 16


So... At the LILO prompt of the boot diskette, I enter 

   ramdisk hd=1048, 16, 63

This time, the hard drive mounts correctly.  However, when I try to use
Linux fdisk is seems confused about the drive geometry.  It complains
about the logical and physical size of my existing DOS partition being 
different.  Throwing caution to the wind, I created a new Linux
partition and
installed the software.  I installed LILO to the MBR of the hard drive
and rebooted.  After rebooting, all I get is:

L404040404040404040404040... (ad infinitum)

I was able to restore the boot block with DOS fdisk, but I don't know
how to
proceed with the Linux installation.

Can anyone enlighten me?



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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: stability and kudos
Date: 14 Jun 1994 17:47:24 GMT

I'm running linux 1.1.19 now with ppp, soundblastercard, ide
performance patches and it is as stable as rock!!

I would like to extend a lot of kudo's and thanks and everything
positive to all the developers who make this possible.

My system is up 24 hours a day, 7 days a week it receives faxes, it
sends them, it is abused by the kids playing cbzone and xboing, it can
be found on the internet while I play Go on the IGS, it gets a
reasonably big newsfeed, my mailfiles are 100K+ gzipped and still the
system performs like a champ.

Guys, I don't know how you did, but it's absolutely fabulous!! kudos
to you all and please keep up the marvelous work!!

--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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