Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #257
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Date:     Sun, 12 Jun 94 22:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #257, Volume #2                Sun, 12 Jun 94 22:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: IRC for Linux? (Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??))
  Re: NFS ? AFS ? (Peter Desnoyers)
  Q: Where to get linpkt for dosemu? (Alan Hagge)
  Re: i have an idea:  comp (Andrew Grillet)
  Re: future of Unixware (Rick Richardson)
  Re: i saw chicago! (Andrew Grillet)
  Re: database system for e (Andrew Grillet)
  Re: i have an idea:  comp (Lars Wirzenius)
  Re: QWK newsreader for Linux (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
  SVGALIB111 and Linux (Tom)
  Re: My OS is better than yours... (Queenie)
  How do you connect a UPS to a Linux box to shutdown when power-fails (Brad Block)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Peter da Silva)
  Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)) (Peter da Silva)
  Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi C (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Will Linux work on a system with ESDI drives? (Craig Sanders)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: IRC for Linux?
From: boekhold@morra.et.tudelft.nl (Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??))
Date: 12 Jun 94 22:55:48 +0200

Clarence Smith (optik@u.washington.edu) wrote:
> In article <2taoh5$ae5@bronze.coil.com>,
> Brad Block <bradb@bronze.coil.com> wrote:
> >Is there any IRC binaries or source for Linux?
> >

>     Yes, on sunsite.unc.edu in pub/Linux/apps/comm/termstuff
>     you will find irc sources, and most likely the bins as
>     well. Also, in pub/Linux/Incoming you will find the
>     newest irc source..and this is configured to run 'for Linux'.

> good luck!

> -Clarence
> optik@carson.u.washington.edu

Well, as I see this, I presume they are compiled with term-support. Do 
they run without term also then???

You can also just do an 'archie' on IRC and compile it yourself. Very 
easy, and no probs at all

Maarten



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From: peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers)
Subject: Re: NFS ? AFS ?
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 17:20:04 GMT

sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson) writes:

>In article <peterd.771085202@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com>, peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com
>(Peter Desnoyers) writes:
>|> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>|> 
>|> >Anyway the AFS _spec_ isnt a problem - you'd only need the license to use
>|> >their code.
>|> 
>|> Transarc would probably complain that you'd be infringing on some of
>|> their patents, although that wouldn't be a problem for you folks
>|> outside of the US.
>|> 
>Do you know of any actual patents, granted or pending, regarding AFS?

Not offhand. I think I recall mention of patents in their literature,
though. 

(if you call them up, they'll send you lots of free literature
including reprints of real papers, not just marketing fluff.)

                                Peter Desnoyers
-- 

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From: hagge@avery.com (Alan Hagge)
Subject: Q: Where to get linpkt for dosemu?
Date: 12 Jun 1994 13:55:45 -0700

Hi all,

I'm (desperately) trying to get DOSemu to talk to a Novell file server.
It appears that with the latest kernel (1.1.19?) that IPX is now firmly in
the kernel, and dosemu0.50p1 seems to have some IPX support.  But there is
mention of a linpkt (Linux packet driver?) file which (presumably) provides
the interface between Linux's IPX support and the DOS world.

Does anybody know where this file exists?

Or better still, can someone give me a good explanation of how to set up
DOSemu to talk IPX to a Novell server?  What extra files are involved, etc.

If this is a FAQ, I can't find it...any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Alan
 


-- 
Alan Hagge, Systems Administrator              Opinions are mine and mine alone
Avery Research Center                           (they _should_ be yours, too!)
hagge@avery.com     "Oh, life!"  she cries, "There must be more" - Alan Parsons

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From: Andrew.Grillet@purplet.demon.co.uk (Andrew Grillet)
Subject: Re: i have an idea:  comp
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 18:15:00 +0000

 -=> On 04-14-94  23:26, Dan Newcombe posted to All <=-

 DN> From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
 DN> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 14:55:10
 DN> Organization: Clayton State College
 DN> Message-ID: <newcombe.55.000EEBE0@aa.csc.peachnet.edu>
 DN> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc

 DN> In article <1994Apr14.110225.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>
 DN> khockenb@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes:
 
 >I think that the HOWTOs are useful.  Why should the HOWTO repeat 
 >information that is already available elsewhere?  Very little of UUCP is 
 >Linux specific, and the HOWTO is not supposed to be a general UUCP 
 >tutorial.

 DN> The word HOWTO (at least to me) seems to indicate that it would be HOW
 DN> TO set  something up (UUCP, X, MAIL, etc...)   There was nothing in
 DN> there that told me 
 DN> HOW TO do anything.  I'm not asking for a UUCP tutorial, I'm asking
 DN> for a file that tells me HOW TO set up UUCP.

 I found the HOWTOs useful, but also disappointing, in that they certainly
 could have been better. One of my biggest problems was that on the
 Yggdrasil CD, they were well buried in the directory structure, and it
 was several days before I found them. 

 The real disaster was the sys-admin-guide, which I really needed, consisted
 mainly of 

 %%% we really need to supply some info about <difficult subject> %%%

 where ever it got near the points I was unsure of!

 I hope this has been fixed now. 

 I have also used 386BSD, and Linux is easier to use, and supports more
 variety of disk controllers, but BSD wins hands down on documentation.
 Meanwhile after four weeks of blood sweat and tears, I still cannot 
 print anything on a dumb ASCII printer on a parallel port (Actually
 I have a deskjet and a laserjet. 
 Both unix camps seem compelled to ship postscript documents as well as
 the source, but omit plain UNFORMATTED ASCII. This is berserk.
 ALL printers can print unformatted ASCII. Once the document is formatted, 
 you can be sure that it will print on hardly any printers. Even if
 you have a printer that understands the control codes, your paper is
 ALWAYS the wrong size/shape.



.. C++ - Algol 68 after a disk crash!


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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 17:35:05 GMT

rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:

>>Hooking up >96 ports to a commercial Unix box is trivial; doing it with
>>Linux is impossible without a terminal server, which adds in its own
>>series of headaches, especially if you just want a stand-alone box with
>>no networking.

>Why would you ever want to have >96 RS232 ports on a Unix box??
>Are you still using serial terminals to work on?  Aieee...  Today, most
>people prefer to have an X terminal or a PC on ethernet, running terminal
>emulation.

There are just tons and tons of database applications that don't need
anything more than a $300 character based terminal.  Its true that
probably *none* of the people that read these groups would be happy
to use that configuration for themselves.

As far as wiring costs go, if there is twisted pair to an office or
cube, it can be used for serial *or* 10baseT.

-Rick
--
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From: Andrew.Grillet@purplet.demon.co.uk (Andrew Grillet)
Subject: Re: i saw chicago!
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 18:15:00 +0000

 -=> On 04-14-94  23:26, Bruce D. Scott posted to All <=-

 BDS> From: bds@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce d. Scott)
 BDS> Date: 14 Apr 1994 16:27:08 GMT
 BDS> Organization: Rechenzentrum der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft in Garching
 BDS> Message-ID: <2ojqssINNj3n@sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de>
 BDS> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc

 BDS> In article <1994Apr14.115143.16710@inmos.co.uk>, dsmith@inmos.co.uk
 BDS> (David Smith) writes:
 
 |> Hear, hear.  As soon as a wordprocessor as easy to use as Microsoft Word
 for Windows comes out on Linux 
 
 BDS> I like certain MS-Windows stuff (eg, Ventura), but try doing serious
 BDS> equations with it. I cannot use anything under MS-* for writing.

 I dont need equations to dash off a letter to the tax man, or bank manager.
 After 8 years intermittent use I still cant remember how to use emacs
 And I cant use VI even with the documentation in front of me.

 IMHO the BEST PROGRAM EVER WRITTEN was MS WORD 5.0
 Nothing else comes near it for ease of use and speed, but it would be
 even better if it put ROFF codes in the document - would anyone pay 
 me to write this? 


.. Coldbeer.can not found sysop not loaded.


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From: Andrew.Grillet@purplet.demon.co.uk (Andrew Grillet)
Subject: Re: database system for e
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 18:15:00 +0000

 -=> On 05-10-94  23:29, Jim Graham posted to All <=-

 JG> From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham)
 JG> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 14:33:32 GMT
 JG> Organization: Future site of Vaporware Corporation (maybe). 
 JG> --Teletoons (NW) Message-ID: <1994May9.143332.13505@n5ial.mythical.com>
 JG> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help

 JG> Followups redirected to col.misc only....

 JG> In article <1994May8.150347.4206@hhdo.ping.de> hh@hhdo.ping.de
 JG> (Henning Holtschneider) writes:
 
 >I need a database system that runs under Linux that is useable! 

 JG> I've been looking for information on this, myself, 

 JG> So....  I'm thinking about writing the thing myself 
 It would be a really good idea to make it compatible with dBase files
 and possibly PC-File user interface.
 Most database programs ccan import/export dBase format, and PC-File
 is both easy to use and very flexible. I have taught non-pc literate
 people to do enter new data in under 10 mins, and very complex 
 operations in a day or so.


.. The problem with democracy is that it gives power to politicians!


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From: wirzeniu@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: i have an idea:  comp
Date: 13 Jun 1994 01:03:36 +0300

Andrew.Grillet@purplet.demon.co.uk (Andrew Grillet) writes:
>  The real disaster was the sys-admin-guide, which I really needed, consisted
>  mainly of 
> 
>  %%% we really need to supply some info about <difficult subject> %%%
> 
>  where ever it got near the points I was unsure of!

That's why it's called the ALPHA-1 version.

(The SAG is not supposed to be shown to people who need help.  Not yet.)

>  I hope this has been fixed now. 

I'm working on it, but don't hold your breath.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings/Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

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From: eric@pandora.Las-Vegas.NV.US (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: Re: QWK newsreader for Linux
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 21:24:56 GMT

Beverly J. Brown (bjb@shore.net) wrote:
: In article <1994Jun8.012204.1601@pandora.Las-Vegas.NV.US>, Eric J. Schwertfege wrote:
: > this.  I do, and I like it.  I've got C-news running on pandora, and a
: > UUCP-mail only feed, but I can use term to connect to a different machine.
: > There I create "soup" packets using uqwk, compress and download the *.MSG
: > files to /var/spool/new/in.coming and then run the cnews "newsrun" command,
: > which incorporates the packet into my regular news, and I can read it using
: > rn, trn, tin, nn, etc.
: > 
: > You'd have to modify this procedure to get it to work for both mail and
: > news, but I'm sure it could be done.
: >  

: This is exactly what I want to do! Thanks! BTW, does anyone have any pointers
: on setting up cnews? I couldn't find any docs that went into enough detail.

If anyone else is interested in this, please E-Mail me, Unless there's a lot
of interest, I'll keep the technical details in e-mail.

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From: tom@infomatch.com (Tom)
Subject: SVGALIB111 and Linux
Date: 12 Jun 1994 16:27:22 -0700

For some strange reason I've been having trouble with svgalib111 and my 
linux machine.  Everything else works fine for me.  First off I'll tell 
you what I have...

486DLC33 with 8MB Ram and a Trident 8900c video card
Linux.1.1.18 (although I've tried using 1.0 to see if that was the problem)
I also have the Cyrix FasMath math coprocessor (40mhz)

I have no trouble installing svgalib111, and it does work to some extent.
But for some reason a few programs just stop working.  For example, 
"seejpeg" crashes the screen on every console so bad I had to reboot.
ZGV will work up until the point where you select a picture which results 
in a message "svgalib: Floating point exception or divide by zero".

However, the demo programs that come with svgalib111 work like 3ddemo etc.
Strange.  I've tried different kernels (bootdisks), upgrading my 
libraries to 4.5.26, using precompiled binaries of zgv and 
libvga.so.1.1.7 from other people and I *still* get the same problems.

What the heck is going on?  I've never known ANYBODY to have trouble 
installing this, and my only solution so far has been to go back to 
libvga.so.1.0.11 (that file seems to be a problem...)

Has anyone got any ideas where I could start?


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From: cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Queenie)
Subject: Re: My OS is better than yours...
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 23:09:16 GMT

drzob@vectrex.login.qc.ca (Denis Solaro) writes:

>John William Chambless (chambles@whale.st.usm.edu) wrote:


>: I take it you've never had to call Sun with a major problem before.

>"Tech support !!!....  You mean your Sparc isn't under contract?
> Well it's $250 an hour, and an hour is counted as the minimum." 

>Now that is what I call being commercial.  

There are two different types of sevice contracts.  With
the first you call a lousy 800 number and WAIT to talk to
someone who can't help, and would really rather find
another job.  With the second a new machine is on the
way as soon as you gripe.  Both are available, cost is
mildly prohibitive for the second.
-- 
carinsj@vampyre.colorado.edu         | What do 7, 11, and 438479857 have in
common?  Send a self-addressed stamped envelope to 'PRIMES, PO BOX 17986,
Boulder, CO 80308, for your official prime number.        Inquire within.

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From: bradb@bronze.coil.com (Brad Block)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: How do you connect a UPS to a Linux box to shutdown when power-fails
Date: 12 Jun 1994 20:04:35 -0400

Say I have a Linux box and I want to connect a UPS to it.  How do I do 
this?  I mean if the power fails, I want the UPS to tell Linux to 
shutdown and to warn the other users of what is happening.  Then I want 
to have the UPS boot the computer back up when the power returns.

How do I do this...???

- Frantic in Columbus!


-- 
----|Brad Block|----                            ----|Sysoop: Wave 2 BBS|----
     AKA: MaKi                                          614\766-1258
                                                    bradb@bronze.coil.com


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From: peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: 12 Jun 1994 19:37:25 -0500

In article <2ta8jr$ii9@nkosi.well.com>,
Patrick J. Volkerding <gonzo@magnet.mednet.net> wrote:
>In article <2t9jo2$gek@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
>Peter da Silva <peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>>In article <me.771084458@tartufo>,
>>Michael Elbel <me%dude.pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> wrote:
>>>Does it? I'm pretty sure, it doesn't. I distinctively remember that the
>>>/etc/DIRCOLORS file holds the actual escape sequences to use.

>>What if you have more than one terminal?

>Then you can use $HOME/.dir_colors to override the file in /etc.

How does that help? You log in with a different account on each terminal?

(sorry, I don't see how this could help at all. Seriously. The kludge of
renaming $HOME/.dir_colors when you log in isn't going to help with concurrent
logins.)

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From: peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist))
Date: 12 Jun 1994 19:43:14 -0500

In article <1994Jun10.094747.21313@cc.usu.edu>,  <ivie@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <2t7jbf$gq0@umd5.umd.edu>, mark@elea.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz) writes:
>> In article <Cr2JxG.9v5@metapro.dialix.oz.au>,
>> Rob Masters <rdm@metapro.DIALix.oz.au> wrote:
>>>Who first used UNIX on an 11/23 with 16 users in 128k Ram, runs FreeBSD on a
>>>386sx-25/4Mb and /still/ supports a Xenix 286 system that handles 16 users 
>>>in 1MB!

>>>(Who knows where this will all end! ;-)

>> It will end when all the people who used dinky-size PDP11's have said
>> what they used. :)  It's a welcome diversion from "What is 386BSD 1.0"
>> and "What is different between Linux and BSD".

>Only as long as we stick to Unix...

Oh, then I can talk about the 3 user 1802-based development system with 4K of
ROM and 12K of RAM and 2 bog-standard 250K IBM-style 8" floppies. I think it
used bit-banger uarts. Cooperative multitasking, so if one user forgot to put
a "sleep" in a long-running loop you were hosed.

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From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi C
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 19:49:31 GMT

Dances With Geeks (lilo@slip-2-28) wrote:
: On Thu, 2 Jun 1994 03:57:17 GMT, Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.com) wrote:

: > : > Well, compare Xemacs (aka UoI/Lucid emacs) with v19 emacs.

: > : > I guess there are diferent kinds of professionals as well as
: > : > different kinds of volunteers.

: > : I would, if I could, but I suspect I can't afford it. ;)

: > Lucid emacs can be freely copied as it still resides under the GPL.

: That's good, then it's probably just the overhead of learning and running
: emacs I can't afford.  ;)

: I'm just not an emacs enthusiast....but there's room for everyone's
: preferences, right? :)

True.  However, lemacs is an editor that accomadates the mouse user.

Buttons, etc.

I usually end up using vi, as I work on a lot of UNIX platforms and it
is always there.


-- 

Rick Kelly  rmk@rmkhome.com  rmk@bedford.progress.com

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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
From: cas@muffin.apana.org.au (Craig Sanders)
Subject: Re: Will Linux work on a system with ESDI drives?
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 05:16:41 GMT

ckalin@cae.uwm.edu (Christopher A. Kalin) writes:

> I'm anxious to install Linux on my system.  Problem is, all I have are
> ESDI drives; a Seagate and an HP.  Plus, since the HP is so big (1455
> cyl) I have the controller translating it down to 1024 cyl, but 63
> sectors/track.  Will any of this interfere with Linux?

Under Linux you won't have to use sector translation.

The only restriction on size of disk is that LILO can only boot Linux
from a cylinder in the first 1024.  This is because LILO uses the PC
BIOS to boot the linux kernel.  As soon as Linux is loaded, however, the
BIOS is no longer used (for ANYTHING), and Linux has no limits on number
of cylinders.

So, the solution is to have a boot/root partition which fits entirely
within the first 1024 cylinders, and make separate partition(s) for the
rest of the disk.

I do this with my ESDI Priam 638 (1225 cyls by 15 heads by 36 sectors)
disk on a WD-1007 ESDI controller.  No problems!

-- 
Craig Sanders                                     cas@muffin.apana.org.au


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