Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #255
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 12 Jun 94 12:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #255, Volume #2                Sun, 12 Jun 94 12:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Do Digiboard intelligent serial ports work with Linux? (Brad Block)
  Re: QWK newsreader for Linux (Beverly J. Brown)
  Re: "Projects under development" list (Ken Sorensen)
  Re: Linux on PPC (Ken Sorensen)
  Re: ZEOS PANTERA anyone???? (David Myers)
  How do I use TERM with Seyon? (Danny Vezeau)
  Re: XFree2.1 Server without WD90C33 support ? (Glen Reesor)
  Re: future of Unixware (william.c.brown)
  Re: How do I use TERM with Seyon? (Glen Reesor)
  Re: future of Unixware (Keith Smith)
  Re: Linux on PPC (Philip Brown)
  Re: GL/3-D libaries for Linux (Philip Brown)
  Linux Bible available from Universal CD-ROM (Charles Liu)
  PCI Considerations? (Paul Quinn)
  Re: future of Unixware (Keith Smith)

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From: bradb@bronze.coil.com (Brad Block)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Do Digiboard intelligent serial ports work with Linux?
Date: 10 Jun 1994 21:17:55 -0400


Do Digiboad intelligent serial ports work witth Linux?  If not, are there 
any problems with the "dumb" ones?
-- 
----|Brad Block|----                            ----|Sysoop: Wave 2 BBS|----
     AKA: MaKi                                          614\766-1258
                                                    bradb@bronze.coil.com


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From: bjb@shore.net (Beverly J. Brown)
Subject: Re: QWK newsreader for Linux
Date: 10 Jun 1994 01:59:52 -0400
Reply-To: bjb@shore.net

In article <1994Jun8.012204.1601@pandora.Las-Vegas.NV.US>, Eric J. Schwertfege wrote:
> 
> Well, I doubt that this is really what you're interested in, but you can try
> this.  I do, and I like it.  I've got C-news running on pandora, and a
> UUCP-mail only feed, but I can use term to connect to a different machine.
> There I create "soup" packets using uqwk, compress and download the *.MSG
> files to /var/spool/new/in.coming and then run the cnews "newsrun" command,
> which incorporates the packet into my regular news, and I can read it using
> rn, trn, tin, nn, etc.
> 
> You'd have to modify this procedure to get it to work for both mail and
> news, but I'm sure it could be done.
>  

This is exactly what I want to do! Thanks! BTW, does anyone have any pointers
on setting up cnews? I couldn't find any docs that went into enough detail.

Beverly J. Brown
bjb@shore.net
beverly@datacube.com

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From: ksore@atr-14 (Ken Sorensen)
Subject: Re: "Projects under development" list
Date: 3 Jun 1994 15:51:33 GMT

Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de) wrote:
[snip]
: project they are working on, and the maintainer would post it
: regularly (weekly? bi-weekly? monthly?) in one of the linux
: newsgroups (perferably c.o.l.m or c.o.l.a).

Weekly would be the best.

: Hopefully this would reduce the overall traffic in those
: newsgroups (and rumours concerning those projects, the PCI SCSI
: driver being a good example ;).  At last, only such projects

True.

[snip]

: - developers e-mail address(es)
Make it optional for the sake of the developer's mailbox.

[snip]

This is a *Smashing* idea! I like it. It's a less obtrusive way to
get some news and views on whats going on with Linux. This could
potentially cut traffic by half on our news groups.

[snip]

: -- 
: Harald Milz                             office: hm@ix.de
: iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      home:   hm@seneca.ix.de
: Opinions are mine, not my employer's -- the answer is Forty-two


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From: ksore@atr-14 (Ken Sorensen)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.powerpc
Subject: Re: Linux on PPC
Date: 3 Jun 1994 15:55:02 GMT

Piner (bpine@harp.aix.calpoly.edu) wrote:
: In article <2sg6c1$68g@terminus.cc.gatech.edu>,
: L. Drew Davis <drewd@cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
: >
: >bpine@harp.aix.calpoly.edu (Piner) writes:
: >
: >>Oh, if anyone knows whether Linux is Sys V, BSD or whatever, that would be
: >>nice to know.
: >
: >   Perhaps the kind folks over at comp.os.linux.* can help you there.
: >
: >   Accordingly, I've cross-posted to there.  Then, on my second attempt,

: The folks in #linux (IRC) informed me that Linux is POSIX.  Supposedly,
: this means it includes both Sys V and BSD compatibility and will compile
: programs written for either.

Yes, it is predominantly SysV, but it has all the BSDisms to available
to compile for that as well. It's kinda like SunOS 4.x except backwards,
i.e. SunOS is BSD with some SysV compatibility...

--
Kenneth Sorensen                    |  ksore@sed.hac.com
====================================+==================================
Hughes Aircraft Company             |  Phone: (714) 732-9816
P.O. Box 3310                       |  Fax:   (714) 732-1953
Fullerton, California, US           +----------------------------------
92634-3310, Mail Station: 618/B223  |  #include <std-disclaimer.h>

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From: dem@skyline.dayton.oh.us (David Myers)
Subject: Re: ZEOS PANTERA anyone????
Date: 12 Jun 1994 14:28:15 GMT

Barzilai Spinak writes:

 >    I'm buying a new computer soon and so far I like the ZEOS Pantera. They
 > seem to be very good and not very expensive. I'm looking for the DX4-100
 > system. Has anybody tried Linux on them?  Any problems?  Does the CD-ROM
 > and everything else work OK?  Is there any problem with these systems' being
 > PCI?  Finally, it seems that they use Diamond graphics cards :-(  
 > Could ask them to include another card or none at all?  (I guess I'll ask
 > them about this)


   This message is coming from a Pantera (Pentium-60).  Linux runs
great on it.  This is a 16MB system with an IDE boot drive.  I have no
problems with the CD-ROM.

   I have had a couple problems with the system along the way, but
Technical Support has come through.

   I returned the Diamond card and bought an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro
for PCI elsewhere.  I've had no problems with the ATI.  I also didn't
buy a Zeos monitor, but instead splurged on an NEC 5FGp.

--
David Myers                                   dem@skyline.dayton.oh.us
Dayton, Ohio                                          dem@meaddata.com

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From: spice@bmerha2f.bnr.ca (Danny Vezeau)
Subject: How do I use TERM with Seyon?
Date: 11 Jun 1994 05:18:24 GMT

Anyone as got TERM to work with Seyon?
I've tried it by starting term on my remote
host and then using the Shell push button
I typed 'tcsh' to bring up a shell in my
terminal window and I ran term in it.
I then ran trsh in a local window and it
just hung.

Anyone can describe to me how to do it?

p.s.  my problem is not with using TERM
      since I can get it to work with XC.
      (But I would rather use Seyon)

-- 
Danny Vezeau    | Bell-Northern Research | Of course, opinions expressed 
spice@bnr.ca    | Ottawa, Canada         | are my own
ESN 393-7908

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From: glenr@cu71crl.aecl.ca (Glen Reesor)
Subject: Re: XFree2.1 Server without WD90C33 support ?
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 07:26:32 GMT

In article <1994Jun10.084437.26086@janix.pcs.dec.com>, chr@decsys.unt.dec.com (Christian Siebert) writes:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a Grafikcard Paradise with a WD90c33 Chip and tried XFree2.1 with the
> SVGA-Server.
> 
> When X starts, the Server aborts immediately with a message "not supported chip-
> set". Specifying the wd90c31 Chipset in my Xconfig file, then the server starts
> only with the background coming up, but hangs afterwards.
> I can't specify the right chipset line in my Xconfig. 
> 
> With the VGA16 Server my X starts, but I only have 16 colors.... :(
> 
> Can anyone help? Must I wait for a new XFree Revision or can I get
> the right Xserver somewhere else?

No problem.  Just grab the source, and recompile it with the changes as
per Bill Conn in his posting from comp.windows.x.i386unix.  It worked
for me.  And what a difference!  Not just the colors, but it's fast!

I'm running a stock Slackware 1.2.0.  When I recompiled the server,
the only thing I changed was the source as described below.  If this is
what you're running, I could send you a binary.  (Hope I'm not deluged
by requested :-)

Enjoy!
 
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In article <2s47d0$av@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> bpqui1@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Brendan Quinn) writes:

>   Path: crchh327.bnr.ca!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aurora.cc.monash.edu.au!bpqui1
>   From: bpqui1@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Brendan Quinn)
>   Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
>   Date: 27 May 1994 02:27:28 CDT
>   Organization: Monash University
>   Lines: 37
>   References: <CpzILz.8ot@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> <2rd6em$lr8@bmerha64.bnr.ca>
>   NNTP-Posting-Host: aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
>
>   kennyy@bmerhb35.bnr.ca (Kenny Yan) writes:
>
>   >This chipset is not supported yet in its SVGA mode, but
>   >I remember a posting a while back that said somebody is
>   >working on it.
>
>   Your memory serves you well... I am that person, but I am
>   having a few difficulties.... mainly not being able to get
>   the register specs for the chipset from Western Digital. A
>   friend knows someone who is apparently a senior engineer at
>   West Dig, but he was contacted over three weeks ago and
>   nothing has turned up.... Does anyone out there have
>   contacts in Western Digital, or better yet, already have 
>   the chip specs??? I have the VGADOC3 documentation, but
>   some parts seem to be missing...

I have been workking, silently until now, at getting my Paradise
Accelerator VL Plus board to work with Xfree86. It uses the WD90C33
chip.

I obtained the Data Book called 'WD90C33 High-Performance VGA
Controller' by calling Western Digital's Service and Literature number
at 714-932-4900 and leaving a voice message. The book arrived about a
week later in the mail. The data book by itself is hard to understand
without an understanding of VGA. 

I bought a book called 'EGA/VGA A Programmer's Reference Guide' by
Bradley Dyck Kliewer at a local bookstore. It is not up to date, it is
copyright 1990, but it did help fill in the gaps. The Richard Ferraro
book 'Programmer's Guide to the EGA and VGA Cards' mentioned in
'VGADriver.Doc' is not currently in print, and the updated version
does not seem to be available until late Summer.

I was able to get the card to work in 1024x768 256 color mode,
yesterday, by modifiying:

/usr/X386/lib/Server/drivers/vga256/pvga1/driver.c

I made the WD90C33 pretend it was an WD90C31, which is supported.
The second change, which is essential, disables Double Word Mode so
that the chip can work in byte mode.

This is the diff of the driver code:    

328,329c328
<               if ((sig[0] == '3') && ((sig[1] == '1')||(sig[1] ==
'3')))
<                     /* WFC pretend a 90c33 is a 90c31 */
---
>               if ((sig[0] == '3') && (sig[1] == '1'))
753d751
<   new->std.CRTC[20] = 0x00; /* WFC byte mode */

It does not work, for reasons unknown, with the accelerator enabled.
My Xconfig contains this entry for the VGA256 server, to disable the 
accelerator.

#
# The 8-bit colour SVGA driver
#
VGA256

#
# To disable SpeedUp, use NoSpeedUp
#
  NoSpeedUp
#  Virtual      1152 900

  Virtual       1024 768
  ViewPort      0 0
  Modes         "1024x768" "640x480"
  Clocks 25.10  28.32  64.70  36.00


ModeDB
# name        clock   horizontal timing     vertical timing      flags
"640x480" 28.32       640 680 720 864      480 488 491 521
"1024x768" 64.7       1024 1032 1176 1344  768 771 777 806

>   Hope this helps.
>
>   Brendan Quinn
>   svlad@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hope this helps.

If you want to take it from here, like supporting the accelerator and
making the proper changes to the driver to make it explicitly
understand the WD90C33 let me know. It would also be nice to have this
driver included with Xfree86 distribution eventually. It took me a
long time to get this far, but it is a joy to use 1024x768 mode.


--
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AECL Research                        | Phone: (613) 584-3311
Station 92, Building 145             | I speak for myself, not AECL Research.
Chalk River, ON       Canada K0J 1J0 |

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: corey@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (william.c.brown)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 14:51:49 GMT

In article <2tcqmk$qg6@ukelele.gcr.com>, spj@ukelele.gcr.com (Guru Aleph_Null) writes:
> In article <jameslCr7Cvp.Mu6@netcom.com>,
> James Logajan <jamesl@netcom.com> wrote:
> >Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
> >: In article <1994Jun08.120424.29415@taylor.infi.net>, mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) says:
> 
> >: | You would be surprised how many people use Unix at work and do
> >: | not know it.
> 

        [gobs deleted]
> 
> To tie this into Unixware, my grandmother was almost lured into buying
> it the other day.  $250 she doesn't have. I'll be sure to install
> Slackware for her when/if she gets a new machine. Nyah nyah nyah.. one
> less Unixware user to count.  ;)



        Well make sure your grandmother has a good internet provider
        so she can get her kernel patches every 15 minutes just like
        all the other Linux users...


> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: glenr@cu71crl.aecl.ca (Glen Reesor)
Subject: Re: How do I use TERM with Seyon?
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 07:38:01 GMT

In article <2tbhf0$rg3@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, spice@bmerha2f.bnr.ca (Danny Vezeau) writes:
> Anyone as got TERM to work with Seyon?
> I've tried it by starting term on my remote
> host and then using the Shell push button
> I typed 'tcsh' to bring up a shell in my
> terminal window and I ran term in it.
> I then ran trsh in a local window and it
> just hung.

Hmmmm.  Looks like you're not exiting from Seyon.  If you don't exit,
it'll be trying to talk to the modem while term is--conflict. This is what
I do:

- start Seyon
- logonto the remote host
- start term on the remote host:  term
- exit from Seyon without hanging up
- start an xterm on my local system
- start xterm on my local system: term < /dev/modem > /dev/modem
- start another xterm on my local system to run trsh, txconn etc.

Hope this helps.
-- 
Glen Reesor                          | Email: glenr@cu59.crl.aecl.ca
AECL Research                        | Phone: (613) 584-3311
Station 92, Building 145             | I speak for myself, not AECL Research.
Chalk River, ON       Canada K0J 1J0 |

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: keith@ksmith.com (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 94 04:06:41 GMT

In article <rick.771219594@digibd>,
Rick Richardson <rick@digibd.digibd.com> wrote:
>Checking an old Unix review ad from a reseller, I find, for example, our
>very popular PC/16em discounted to $1095, or about $69/port street price.
>A pretty fair deal for what you get - *true* 115kbaud performance on 16
>ports expandable to 64.  I think it uses about 12% of a 486/25 to run 16
[...]
>Rick Richardson               Senior Staff Engineer   Visit my WWW home page:
>DigiBoard APD         Email: rick@digibd.com  http://www.digibd.com/people/rick

Yep, now all we need is a EPC/X and PC[8|16][i|e] driver for Linux, no
don't start the Copyleft / Kernel Driver discussion again please.

Now can U explain to me why you solder down, rather than socket all your
1488/89 chips on your cards? Pain in the ass when a single channel takes
a hit.  I had a lot of PC8i's that had some real junk Ti 88's and 89's
on them that I replaced with MOTO and Samsung parts.  It was pretty
obvious they must have been weak since one of the cards had mixed
manufacturers and all the TI parts blew, but the other ones did not, and
neither did the Zilog/AMD SIO controllers.  Although warranty would
probably have covered it in most cases I was onsite with the replacement
chips and sockets on hand.  If you would socket these puppies it would
save a lot of hassle.  All the ARNET cards used to, and I think they
still do.

Now that I'm done picking nits, the DIGI stuff is probably the best card
on the market with the most stable software for most *IX implementations.
Generally speaking the stuff is plug and go albeit a tad expensive.

Followups to comp.ibm.pc.hardware
-- 
Keith Smith aka Digital Designs                 keith@ksmith.com
5719 Archer Rd.                    Free Usenet News and Internet Mail Services
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Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...       PEP+14.4K/14.4/14.4

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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.powerpc
Subject: Re: Linux on PPC
Date: 11 Jun 1994 06:36:20 GMT

Ken Sorensen (ksore@atr-14) wrote:
: : The folks in #linux (IRC) informed me that Linux is POSIX.  Supposedly,
: : this means it includes both Sys V and BSD compatibility and will compile
: : programs written for either.

: Yes, it is predominantly SysV, but it has all the BSDisms to available
: to compile for that as well. It's kinda like SunOS 4.x except backwards,
: i.e. SunOS is BSD with some SysV compatibility...


More like "it's like Solaris, but you don't have to explicitly do
             -I/usr/ucbinclude"

:-)


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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: GL/3-D libaries for Linux
Date: 11 Jun 1994 06:38:25 GMT

Philip Brown (philb@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:
: Is it "OpenGL" compliant?

Akk.. unfortunately, I can answer this question already.
The library is very impressive. The demos look just like the horrile
stuff I had to go through for a GL class :-)
The trouble with it being.. it is the old-style "IRix GL", _NOT_ the
now-becoming-standard OpenGL :-(

ironically, I found a program, "togl", from sgi.

Unfrotunately, instead of being a library, it translates Irix GL programs
to Open GL programs, _at_the_source_level_. This doesn't help me :-/


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From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: Linux Bible available from Universal CD-ROM
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 04:31:44 GMT


Price $39.95 + $6 US UPS Ground shipping + CA tax if applicable.

Credit card or check acceptable.

Universal CD-ROM
1645 S. Bascom Ave., #7
Campbell, CA 95008
408-369-9818

(We also carry four major Linux distributions: InfoMagic, 
Trans-Ameritech, Yggdrasil, Morse Telecommunications)
-- 
End of Note

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
From: p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA (Paul Quinn)
Subject: PCI Considerations?
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 15:40:14 GMT


I have pretty much decided on a PCI motherboard (Thanks for all the help
from the people in this group).  Are there any chipsets and/or motherboards
that I should avoid for Linux or OS/2?



--
________
Paul Quinn
p_quinn@ece.concordia.ca
Computer Science: Systems Architecture
Concordia University
Montreal, QC, CANADA
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: keith@ksmith.com (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 94 14:58:21 GMT

In article <Dr6vC5.CIr@pe1chl.ampr.org>, Rob Janssen <pe1chl@rabo.nl> wrote:
>In <Cr5zEF.Ltx@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

>>Hooking up >96 ports to a commercial Unix box is trivial; doing it with
>>Linux is impossible without a terminal server, which adds in its own
>>series of headaches, especially if you just want a stand-alone box with
>>no networking.
>
>Why would you ever want to have >96 RS232 ports on a Unix box??

Why not?  If the application is horizontal, and doesn't need anything
else?

>Are you still using serial terminals to work on?  Aieee...  Today, most
>people prefer to have an X terminal or a PC on ethernet, running terminal
>emulation.

Who exactly are "most people"?

>In case you want to tell me it is less expensive: you forget the cost of
>the cabling and its maintenance.  (e.g. when relocating users or adding
>additional terminals at a location)

This is a dumb argument

1) Cableing: moving cable is the same for RS-232 or Ethernet or
whatever.  If you run other than UTP cable it is WORSE for ETHERNET, WAY
worse, and WAY more expensive.  You can run RS-232 over telephone
station wire.  Assuming you cabled right in the first place with Level 4
or 5 UTP, and RJ-45 blocks into a wiring closet, moving a terminal is a
matter of swapping a RJ-45 jumper in a wireing closet, or maybe even
just plugging it into another jack.  'Splain to me how ethernet works
any easier?  Especially if you are running THINNET or THICKNET cable. 
That stuff is a BITCH to move.  Ugly too.  We won't even MENTION moving
FIBRE OPTIC's.

2) Most USERS have no clue as to what they are using.  Give them a menu,
and let them do their job.  A customer Service rep is no more productive
on an EXPENSIVE PC or X terminal than a $400 Text terminal.

3) Why would say a LARGE uucp or dial-in hub need ethernet? 96 serial
ports and 96 HS modems would be about perfect.

4) Why does everyone want to use an ICBM to shoot squirrels, when a .22
will do fine? Oh, and the Windows productivity argument is a bunch of
horseshit too.  The screens are slower, and generally in a business
enviroment The work is all text based anyway.  Someone can hit a '2'
much quicker than finding the Customer Lookup ICON on a graphical
screen, and double-clicking it.  The only purpose of a graphical
enviroment is for a graphical APPLICATION, maybe something like document
retrieval or archival systems, Publishing systems, etc.  Frankly I don't
WANT desktop published WYSIWIG business letters, when a Q&D text
hammered one will do.

This is not to say that systems like X and MS/Win have no purpose.  The
ability to generically define graphical images accross different
hardware is very important, provided the APPLICATION calls for this
need.  Purchasing hardware beyond ones current needs in todays hardware
enviroment is plain STUPID, since whatever you buy today is either
obsolete, or half the price tomorrow.
-- 
Keith Smith aka Digital Designs                 keith@ksmith.com
5719 Archer Rd.                    Free Usenet News and Internet Mail Services
Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201                    (910) 423-4216/7389/7391
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