Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #253
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 12 Jun 94 08:13:06 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #253, Volume #2                Sun, 12 Jun 94 08:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Nihcl port--anyone? (Pieter de Visser)
  Re: future of Unixware (Keith Smith)
  Re: future of Unixware (Rick Richardson)
  ZEOS PANTERA anyone???? (Barzilai Spinak)
  How do I delete a linux partition? (ronb@cc.usu.edu)
  Re: /dev/ftape (Rick Narron)
  How to stop Flood Pings? (James Barber)
  Re: 40M Syquest Removeable (root)
  Re: Mouse under X ... (Marcus Geselle)
  Prospero v5 Client? (Fred Homan)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (jbriscoe@delphi.com)
  telnet Segmentation fault (Phil Howard)
  Re: How do I delete a linux partition? (Carsten Whimster)
  dual-monitor patch? (PETERSEN KIRK A)
  Re: /dev/ftape (Rick Narron)
  Re: What PCI video card works good with Linux? (Andrew Anderson)
  Re: Recreational COBOL programming (Grant Edwards)
  Re: future of Unixware (Bruce Evans)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (System Administrator)
  Linux, IP server and Muds.... (Stuart Tily)
  Re: future of Unixware (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: menu/toolbar for Linux? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: future of Unixware (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: ML for Linux? (Marko Schuetz)
  Re: future of Unixware (Terry Lambert)

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From: pieterdv@knoware.nl (Pieter de Visser)
Subject: Nihcl port--anyone?
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:00:06 GMT

Has anyone ported NIHCL to Linux? I seem to remember an article, a couple
of months ago, saying just that. However, I'm not able to find that
article, nor the resulting port. I started porting it myself, but encountered
more problems than I care for.

Pieter

pieterdv@runner.knoware.nl


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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: keith@ksmith.com (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 94 01:41:15 GMT

In article <2tagvo$1qv@kralizec.zeta.org.au>,
Bruce Evans <bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au> wrote:
>In article <rick.771219594@digibd>,
>Rick Richardson <rick@digibd.digibd.com> wrote:

[ Smart Cards ]

>Linux takes 2.8% of 486DX2/66 to run one port at 115kbaud output in raw
>mode.  Input takes 6.6%.  The operation is memory-bound and i/o-bound,
>so a 486/25 would not be much slower (4.x% for output).

Actually this is not really true.  It _is_ much more of a hog, because
your logic is faulty.  You are drawing a conclusion from an irrelevant
fact (being i/o bound).  The CPU LOADING time is only the time it takes
to respond to the interrupt, fetch the available chars, and store them,
and reset the interrupt.  The overall interrupt SERVICE time for the
486/66 (real time servicing the '550) will be significantly better due
to the faster memory / cache.  The I/O cycle time will be the same.  The
AVAILABLE cycles between interrupts will be over double on the 66.

We are measuring CPU loading here, not thruput.  Under IX your CPU is
doing other things while waiting for the I/O.  A 486/66 can do a hell of
a lot more other things waiting for the interrupt, than a 486/25, over
twice as much in fact.  There is _NO_ memory binding with a reasonable
cache with the teensie amount of data we are talking here.

>Output is much easier than input!  I doubt that any 486 can handle 16
>fully bidirectional 115Kbaud if it has to handle interesting protocols
>such as ppp or zmodem.  It would take about 20% of the system just to
>handle 368640 bytes of i/o if the i/o has to go through the 16-bit ISA
>(8 MHz) i/o ports.

Sorry,  Those 16550 ports are NOT 16 bit.  They are 8-bit.  They also
run over the I/O channel which is about twice as slow as a memory mapped
access on an intelligent card, which _IS_ 16 bit.  Also the intelligent
cards generally do _not_ use interrupts.  This dramatically reduces the
overhead on your system, since you cut the per byte bus transfer time in
1/4th or better, just for starters.

>Downloadable protocol handlers and busmastering DMA would help avoid
>these limits.  Do I get that for $1095?  I'd prefer extra 486 CPU's
>and dumb i/o ports.

You get flow control and cannonical (LD 0) processing with most of the
smart cards.  You generally get stuff like thru-print, and support for
VP/ix and merge too.

I'm running an EISA C/X card in an SCO box right now.  All I _do_ know
is that Nobody on the other 48 terminals notices when all 8 Worldblazers
light up for file transfers under UUCP.  I don't see where the PPP
protocal could be that much worse than 64/3 UUCP-g.  Packet size is
about the same.  If you want dial-up PPP though, _that_ would be a good
reason to buy a TERMINAL SERVER that supports the protocall.  Probably a
heckuva lot cheaper too.
-- 
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5719 Archer Rd.                    Free Usenet News and Internet Mail Services
Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201                    (910) 423-4216/7389/7391
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...       PEP+14.4K/14.4/14.4

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 03:39:54 GMT

[ My back-of-the-envelope calculation of SVR4 users served by serial ports
  has been deleted. -Rick
]

wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) writes:

>* I had no idea that the intelegent multi-port market was so
>  _expensive_.  I bought a 4-port 16550 based multi port card for
>  around $100, or $25 per port.   Your above calculations say that
>  they cost around $100 per port.

I actually purposely picked a figure out of the hat that I knew was too
high, in order to make the number of ports lower, giving the benefit of the
doubt in Linux's favor.  In fact, every number I picked was designed to
make Linux look as good as possible.

Checking an old Unix review ad from a reseller, I find, for example, our
very popular PC/16em discounted to $1095, or about $69/port street price.
A pretty fair deal for what you get - *true* 115kbaud performance on 16
ports expandable to 64.  I think it uses about 12% of a 486/25 to run 16
ports at 115kbaud output.  If I remember correctly, the excellent FAS
driver on 16550's uses about the same amount of CPU to run 1 or maybe 2
ports on a 486/25, and I don't even want to talk about the hideous host
loading with *some* nameless operating systems stock drivers on 16550's.

-Rick
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Eden Prarie, MN 55344  Tel:   (612) 947-1111   <standard disclaimer>

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From: barspi@wam.umd.edu (Barzilai Spinak)
Subject: ZEOS PANTERA anyone????
Date: 12 Jun 1994 04:28:49 GMT

   I'm buying a new computer soon and so far I like the ZEOS Pantera. They
seem to be very good and not very expensive. I'm looking for the DX4-100
system. Has anybody tried Linux on them?  Any problems?  Does the CD-ROM
and everything else work OK?  Is there any problem with these systems' being
PCI?  Finally, it seems that they use Diamond graphics cards :-(  
Could ask them to include another card or none at all?  (I guess I'll ask
them about this)



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From: ronb@cc.usu.edu
Subject: How do I delete a linux partition?
Date: 10 Jun 94 03:40:14 MDT

        I was running linux on a 120 MB partition on my hard drive, but now
need to clear it... I'll be puting Unix on a second drive.  I used fips to
split the main partition, but it will not allow me to delete the linux
partitions and expand the DOS partition to reclaim the space.  Any ideas?

          rOn

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From: rexx@netcom.com (Rick Narron)
Subject: Re: /dev/ftape
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 05:37:24 GMT

Oystein Homelien (oystein@powertech.no) wrote:
: How do I create /dev/ftape with mknod?

Oystein,
   I had the same problem.  I looked in the /dev/MAKEDEV file but could not
find ftape so I wrote a shell script from information in
the /ftape-1.12/Install-guide.  
    
   There is one difference in my script from the Install-guide in that my
script creates a hard link from ftape to rft0 and not a symbolic link:

#! /bin/sh
# create the rewinding and non-rewinding floppy tape devices for ftape
mknod -m 666 /dev/rft0 c 27 0
mknod -m 666 /dev/rft1 c 27 1
mknod -m 666 /dev/rft2 c 27 2
mknod -m 666 /dev/rft3 c 27 3
mknod -m 666 /dev/nrft0 c 27 4
mknod -m 666 /dev/nrft1 c 27 5
mknod -m 666 /dev/nrft2 c 27 6
mknod -m 666 /dev/nrft3 c 27 7
#    link the first rewinding floppy tape to the word ftape
# and the first non-rewinding floppy tape to the word nftape
ln /dev/rft0  /dev/ftape
ln /dev/nrft0 /dev/nftape

# Regards,
# Rick Narron (rexx@netcom.com)

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From: barberjd@cs.curtin.edu.au (James Barber)
Subject: How to stop Flood Pings?
Date: 9 Jun 94 18:35:39 GMT

Hi,
        I was wondering if there is a way to disable incoming pings or
even more specifically flood pings. I use SLIP to my university at
2400bps and sometime some wise guys with a faster modem will flood
ping my machine. Needless to say both my Transmit and Receive lights
stay on constantly, and interactive response is just about gone.
My machine has rebooted once due to a flood ping using 1.1.18 of
the kernel, so maybe there is a bug there.

Any help is appreciated

See Ya
Jim Barber

barberjd@cs.curtin.edu.au


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From: root@vortex.usw.nps.navy.mil (root)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: 40M Syquest Removeable
Date: 10 Jun 1994 06:10:44 GMT

If Linux can utilize a syquest 40 Mb I would like to know also,
I continually get bad partition table messages when I try to mount
it. (SCSI version)
thanks,
Carl


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From: df6e@rs22.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (Marcus Geselle)
Subject: Re: Mouse under X ...
Date: 10 Jun 94 06:33:44 GMT

nrh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nicholas Hall) writes:

>Hi,
>       I've just got Linux 1.0.8 installed (binary snapshot as of Monday this
>week from sunsite) and am having problems with my Logitech Pilot 3 button 
>serial mouse under X.  I used the Config-XF86 package to get my card/monitor
>setup (BTW this is a very useful package - how about including it in a binary
>release .... it made my monitor setup easier :) but I can't get my mouse to 
>work.

>From my /etc/Xconfig :

>       Logitech        "/dev/mouse"
>       BaudRate        1200
>       SampleRate      150

>All that seems to happen is that the mouse pointer occasionally moves with
>the mouse, but more often than not pops up the odd menu (when I don't press
>any buttons !) or moves fairly randomly.  Seems like a protocol error to me,
>but I sure can't find it!!!

>Any suggestions welcomed ......

>Thanks,

>Nick.
>-- 
>|\ ||~~)|__|   Nicholas Hall  -  Undergraduate  -  Edinburgh University
>| \||~~\|  |   ---------> Email: nrh@{dcs,festival}.ed.ac.uk <---------
>main(){printf(".......Madness is in the eye of the beholder........");}   

Hi,

well, your mouse is a microsoft compatible one. I got a Logitech Pilot myself.
My entry in Xconfig reads: microsoft  "/dev/mouse". The lines with BaudRate and
SampleRate are commented out.

Cheers,

Marcus

Marcus Geselle   marcus@marvin.materie.th-darmstadt.de


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From: fred@vt.edu (Fred Homan)
Subject: Prospero v5 Client?
Date: 12 Jun 1994 05:27:39 GMT

        My summary pretty much sums it up:  Has anyone ported an Archie for
Prospero version 5 servers to Linux yet?  The latest I've seen is Archie
1.4.1 which is based upon Prospero Beta.4.2E.  Unfortunately I am not a 
programmer else I would port it...

--
Fred Op

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+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
+  Fred Homan, PO Box 232, Blacksburg, VA 24063-0232   (703) 231-3722  +
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
+                "Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it..."            +
+            "But, a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it."        +
************************************************************************

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From: jbriscoe@delphi.com
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 21:54:58 -0500

Is there anything to prevent Torvalds or anyone else who's released a
program under the GPL from accepting bucks from Novell to write a commercial
version reusing whatever parts of his code that he likes?  In other words,
does releasing a program under the GPL prevent the author from selling
a later version as an ordinary commercial product?  Just wondering.

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From: phil@zeus.fasttax.com (Phil Howard)
Subject: telnet Segmentation fault
Date: 12 Jun 1994 02:08:31 -0500

I'm getting "Segmentation fault" when I run telnet to other UNIX hosts,
including Linux, NetBSD, BSD/386 (BSDI), and SunOS.  However when I
telnet to a mud game, or special ports like nntp (119) or test (19)
it works just fine.  Obviously something is triggered by what goes on
to establish the kind of telnet session needed with telnetd.

I am running from Slackware 1.2 and Linux Kernel 1.0.  I recompiled
telnet from telnet-552.tar.z I found on a couple of hosts in their
Linux areas.  The Segmentation fault still happens.

My configuration is Gateway 2000 4SX-33, 4meg RAM, 425meg HD.

Any ideas?

Has anyone seen this before?
-- 
Phil Howard KA9WGN      | The drive spec says the capacity is 600mb unformatted
Unix/Internet/Sys Admin | and 525mb formatted.  So where do I find an unformat
CLR/Fast-Tax            | utility?
phil@fasttax.com        |

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From: bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster)
Subject: Re: How do I delete a linux partition?
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 22:45:13 GMT

In article <1994Jun10.034014.21301@cc.usu.edu>,  <ronb@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>       I was running linux on a 120 MB partition on my hard drive, but now
>need to clear it... I'll be puting Unix on a second drive.  I used fips to
>split the main partition, but it will not allow me to delete the linux
>partitions and expand the DOS partition to reclaim the space.  Any ideas?

I don't think you can expand a DOS partition. Try using fdisk to make
an extended partition with logical drives in it.
-- 
===================================================================
  Carsten Whimster              --- EDM/2 Associate Editor
  bcrwhims@uwaterloo.ca         --- EDM/2 Book Review columnist
===================================================================

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From: un17@clark.edu (PETERSEN KIRK A)
Subject: dual-monitor patch?
Date: 10 Jun 1994 19:11:27 -0700

        I saw some talk a few months ago about using more than one monitor
at a time on a linux box.  Of course, figuring I would never have two
monitors, I paid no attention.  Well, now I have two monitors and I would
like to know how to get it working.  If there is a FAQ, point me to it.

Kirk Petersen
un17@clark.edu


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From: rexx@netcom.com (Rick Narron)
Subject: Re: /dev/ftape
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 01:33:40 GMT

Oystein Homelien (oystein@powertech.no) wrote:
: How do I create /dev/ftape with mknod?

: : How do I create /dev/ftape with mknod?

Rick Narron (rexx@netcom.com) wrote:
:    I had the same problem.  I looked in the /dev/MAKEDEV file but could not
: find ftape so I wrote a shell script from information in
: the /ftape-1.12/Install-guide.  

Oystein wrote a letter to Rick:

::: Thanks very much for that information.  Now I have the devices in /dev/. 
::: But I get the error message "No such device" when trying to access them. 
::: Does this mean that my kernel (compiled with FTAPE enabled) does not find
::: such a tape drive when it boots?

    This is because the floppy tape driver is not included in the Linux
kernel yet and has to be loaded separately as your machine starts up.

    Besides properly defining the /dev/ftape, rft0 devices, I also run the 
following line from my rc.local batch file every time that I turn on my
machine:

        insmod ftape.o

    The program "insmod" will insert code into the active linux nucleus and
comes from a package called:

        modutils-0.99.15.tar.gz

    The relocatable code file "ftape.o" is a device driver for my Colorado
250 tape drive and comes from a package called: 

        ftape-1.12.tar.gz

    To make a Colorado tape drive work, both of these packages are needed and
can be gotten by using anonymous ftp from:

        sunsite.unc.edu

       paths:
        /pub/Linux/kernel/modutils-0.99.15.tar.gz
        /pub/Linux/kernel/tapes/ftape-1.12.tar.gz

   To build the packages, you will also need to have the Linux kernel
source files available, at version of 1.0 or later.

   Every time that I build a new Linux kernel, I also re-build my ftape.o
file because it checks for the specific version of the kernel.  My ftape.o
checks for Linux kernel version 1.1.18.

Regards,
Rick Narron (rexx@netcom.com)
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From: andersoa@news.db.erau.edu (Andrew Anderson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: What PCI video card works good with Linux?
Date: 11 Jun 1994 02:23:12 GMT

Brad Block (bradb@bronze.coil.com) wrote:
: What PCI video card works good with Linux?

My ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (2 Meg) works just fine.

--
|===========================================================================|
|  Andrew Anderson                              andersoa@erau.db.erau.edu   |
|  Novell Network System Administrator          andersoa@bart.db.erau.edu   |
|  Linux System Administrator                   andrew@wilbur.db.erau.edu   |
|                                         andrew_anderson@cts.db.erau.edu   |
|                                                                           |
| I don't speak for ERAU, and God knows I don't want them to speak for me!  | 
|===========================================================================|

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From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Recreational COBOL programming
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 19:11:17 GMT

Recreational COBOL programming?!?!

What a horrifying thought.  Everybody's got to eat, so I can see why
there are COBOL programmers, but doing it as recreation is about as
warped as anything I can think of.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I'm also pre-POURED
Rosemount Inc.                                |pre-MEDITATED and
                                              |pre-RAPHAELITE!!
grante@rosemount.com                          |

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From: bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 11 Jun 1994 06:04:08 +1000

In article <rick.771219594@digibd>,
Rick Richardson <rick@digibd.digibd.com> wrote:
>...
>Checking an old Unix review ad from a reseller, I find, for example, our
>very popular PC/16em discounted to $1095, or about $69/port street price.
>A pretty fair deal for what you get - *true* 115kbaud performance on 16
>ports expandable to 64.  I think it uses about 12% of a 486/25 to run 16
>ports at 115kbaud output.  If I remember correctly, the excellent FAS
>driver on 16550's uses about the same amount of CPU to run 1 or maybe 2
>ports on a 486/25, and I don't even want to talk about the hideous host
>loading with *some* nameless operating systems stock drivers on 16550's.

Linux takes 2.8% of 486DX2/66 to run one port at 115kbaud output in raw
mode.  Input takes 6.6%.  The operation is memory-bound and i/o-bound,
so a 486/25 would not be much slower (4.x% for output).

Output is much easier than input!  I doubt that any 486 can handle 16
fully bidirectional 115Kbaud if it has to handle interesting protocols
such as ppp or zmodem.  It would take about 20% of the system just to
handle 368640 bytes of i/o if the i/o has to go through the 16-bit ISA
(8 MHz) i/o ports.

Downloadable protocol handlers and busmastering DMA would help avoid
these limits.  Do I get that for $1095?  I'd prefer extra 486 CPU's
and dumb i/o ports.
-- 
Bruce Evans  bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au

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From: root@desaster.student.uni-tuebingen.de (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 00:33:04 GMT

stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Ulf Bartelt) writes:

>Reuben Regucera (reubenr@netcom.com) wrote:
>: It can be found in : ftp.wordperfect.com:/unix/demos/sco/sco.Z
>: It is an 8M file, uncompress works, but the tar file is not recognized 
>: by Linux or Sun.
Because it probably is no tarfile at all, but a rather big executable? 

just a wild guess :-) 

Cheers, Michael Will

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From: Stuart@seminal.demon.co.uk (Stuart Tily)
Subject: Linux, IP server and Muds....
Reply-To: Stuart@seminal.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 03:01:43 +0000


I'm looking to set up a TCP/IP server and run dial up internet access and a
mush or two - a small scale sort of project, but maybe geting bigger if I
can show this working to my employer...

Does anyone have any documentation on this type of thing, or does anyone
who has done this feel like telling me how it worked for you i.e. any
problems I'm likely to encounter.

Any help much appreciated, and mail is even better than a comment here...

 -----------------------------------------
|Stuart Tily | stuart@seminal.demon.co.uk |
 -----------------------------------------

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 02:22:34 GMT

terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) writes:

>In article <1994Jun08.132553.4032@taylor.infi.net> mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>] Motif is likely to be THE standard look and feel for all Unix and non-Unix
>] X Windows applications.  This is the reason for the push for a Motif clone.

>1)     Who is pushing for a clone?

Many people!

>2)     What working groups exist and how can they be contacted?  I'm
>       afraid I can't take the Yddragsil(sp?)/Russian effort seriously
>       with the information I've seen.

Check the comp.window.x and motif groups.  There has been quite a bit of
discussion recently.  As well in the Linux groups, of course.
[...]
>This would delay a clone, but on the other hand, a free clone would
>probably gain momentum quickly and end up representing "the" correct
>values for the manifest constants.

:)  Funny how standards can be created, then twisted around!  Whatever
works!!

-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: menu/toolbar for Linux?
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 02:37:17 GMT

remco@emc.rvt.com (Remco Treffkorn) writes:

>Cyrill Vatomsky (cyrillv@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Is there a user-configurable toolbar package for Xfree? I looked through
>: linux/X newsgroups and in ftp sites and could not find anythin. I am
>: not talking about tcl or other programming, sorry I am not a programmer.
>: There are lots of toolbar packages for MSWin, that can make life much
>: easier. Anybody knows of anything along those lines? 

>If you have Motif you could try: bricons. There might also be a Xlib version.
>Just use archie. (I think you will find it on sunsite)

If you have Motif, I would also recommend rtc  (check Archie).  It is
very nice, and works under SCO properly also (unlike bricons), and has no
real limits on number of buttons.

-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.infi.net           |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 02:40:29 GMT

jamesl@netcom.com (James Logajan) writes:

>Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
>: In article <1994Jun08.120424.29415@taylor.infi.net>, mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) says:
>: +---------------
>: | You would be surprised how many people use Unix at work and do not know it.
>: +------------->8

>: *I* wouldn't.  I was amused to note that the POS terminals at MicroCenter are
>: Wyse 60-series (probably WY-160s) terminals, and that the POS application is
>: written in Progress...  Leaves little room for anything *but* Unix, probably
>: SCO.

Our local sleezy clone-only computer chain, called "Comp-USA", also runs
their whole store and inventory and POS systems with Unix and regular and
special POS terminals.  What is ironic is that they don't sell even a single
version of Unix or a single piece of Unix software.

>I seem to recall that either MacDonalds or Burger King (I forget which)
>used Xenix on their front counter order-entry systems. Maybe to get Unix
>experience, a person should flip burgers :-)

"Hey- we are out of virtual memory.... I mean french fries..."
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From: marko@hisplace.rhein-main.de (Marko Schuetz)
Subject: Re: ML for Linux?
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 15:02:04 GMT

dmmcandr@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Deron McAndrew) writes:

>Does anyone know where I can get hold of either binaries or adapted source for 
>an ML compiler for Linux?  I tried yesterday to get SML/NJ to compile, but I 
>just don't know enough about the flags field for the exec stuct as defined in
>/usr/include/linux/a.out.h (if I've piqued your curiosity, you can get SML/NJ 
>from research.att.com ).

You can get a compiled version of LML 0.999.5 at ftp://dcs.glasgow.ac.uk/pub/linux.
They might also have it at ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/...

You get LML (Lazy ML) and Haskell B. in one package.

Hope this helps
        Marko

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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 10 Jun 1994 20:18:18 GMT

In article <rick.771073998@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes:
] You missed one source of users for SVR4.  Using information which
] is publically available, I estimate the size of the PC multiport
] serial market at $200M, or about 2 million ports/year.  70% of
] that is Unix (all flavors), or 1.4 million ports/year.  I don't
] know what the breakdown is after that, but lets be conservative:
] 
]       -SCO 80%        1,112,000 ports/year
]       -SVR4 20%         280,000 ports/year
]       -Linux 0%               0 ports/year

I'd like to know how you arrived at these estimates, and would like to
see the publically available source statistics.  I am not refuting your
claim, but I am extremely skeptical.

] We do get inquiries about Linux from time to time, but not enough
] at this point to cause the Sales droids to beat up on Marketing
] who would then beat up Engineering.  Right now, I suspect the
] hottest source of interest for Linux drivers in this company
] would be from our own engineering hacker types.  I think this is
] really indicative of the real world use of Linux today.

How about this:

Are you getting enough inquiries total from all OS's for which you do not
internally produce drivers to provide system-neutral download code and
driver programming information without non-disclosure strings attached?

I'm unclear on Digiboard's policies in that area anyway, and if there
are "programming kits" available I'd like to know.

The big thing for the operating systems research that is occurring in the
academic community is that ability to share your work with others in the
academic community so that they can build on it (this is one problem with
the SVR4 restrictions on sharing changes to SVR4 with other licensees).
Certainly all of the operating systems (BSD, Linux, Choices, Mach, etc.)
coming out of academia fall into this category.

I think that perhaps one reason that you aren't seeing the large number
of inquiries you expect are that people write the drivers themselves, and
lacking the ability to put the driver sources up for FTP puts a hefty
restriction on the use of intelligent vs. non-intelligent boards.

I know several people who would be more than willing to work on drivers
if there wasn't such a barrier to entry for doing that work, and it is
quite possible that commercial vendors could use the results for commercial
interests, greatly offloading your own developement staff, eventually.


                                        Regards,
                                        Terry Lambert
                                        terry@cs.weber.edu
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