Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #249
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 11 Jun 94 12:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #249, Volume #2                Sat, 11 Jun 94 12:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Recreational COBOL programming (Roy Hann)
  Re: Cobol for Linux (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: future of Unixware (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: IRC for Linux? (Al Longyear)
  Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)) (ivie@cc.usu.edu)
  Returning my linux partition to dos. (ronb@cc.usu.edu)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (Brandon S. Allbery)
  color ASCII logo (David Biesack)
  Re: octave & gnuplot (R.D. Auchterlounie)
  Re: Returning my linux partition to dos. (Martin Koch)
  I'm in LOVE ... with Linux (Christopher Cason)
  Re: One Stop Information (Robert Snyder)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Michael Elbel)
  Where is archie for Linux? (Brad Block)
  Linux Quarterly CDROM Update (Michael R. Johnston)
  Q: why won't my GUS record? (Wigs)
  Re: Can Dosemu run DOOM? (David La Croix)
  Re: future of Unixware (Mark A. Davis)
  Linux Quest (I ho, off the way I go) (Arc Wave)
  Re: SCSI controller for OS/2, DOS, Linux, possibly even NT? (Colin Dunn)
  Re: SCSI controller for OS/2, DOS, Linux, possibly even NT? (Colin Dunn)

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From: rhh@tachy.uah.ualberta.ca (Roy Hann)
Subject: Recreational COBOL programming
Date: 9 Jun 1994 22:02:25 GMT

In light of all the recent whingeing about "Linux: the toy OS", and how
nobody would ever use it in the real world, I find it significant that
someone has recently posted a request for a COBOL compiler for Linux.
Perhaps he intends to use it to write a port of DOOM?

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Cobol for Linux
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 12:56:36 GMT

In article <Cr81MC.AvH@seneca.ix.de>, hm@seneca.ix.de says:
+---------------
| Mackenzie StLouis (mstlouis@world.std.com) wrote:
| : > Does anyone know where I can get a Cobol compiler for Linux.
| I understand that the ACU COBOL compiler is available for Linux.
+------------->8

Not so far as I know.  ACU COBOL for SCO runs under the iBCS2 emulator,
however.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 13:03:25 GMT

In article <1994Jun11.024029.11853@taylor.infi.net>, mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) says:
+---------------
| >Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
| >: *I* wouldn't.  I was amused to note that the POS terminals at MicroCenter are
| 
| Our local sleezy clone-only computer chain, called "Comp-USA", also runs
| their whole store and inventory and POS systems with Unix and regular and
| special POS terminals.  What is ironic is that they don't sell even a single
| version of Unix or a single piece of Unix software.
+------------->8

That's why I was amused WRT MicroCenter:  they don't know Unix from a hole in
the ground.  :-)  We have a CompUSA also, but I haven't been in there often
enough to try to figure out whast they're running.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: longyear@netcom.com (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: IRC for Linux?
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 13:37:42 GMT

bradb@bronze.coil.com (Brad Block) writes:

>Is there any IRC binaries or source for Linux?

The source package will compile with only one small problem in the
Makefile. Linux uses flex rather than lex, so the library used for the
lexical scanner is "-lfl" rather than "-ll".
-- 
Al Longyear           longyear@netcom.com

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From: ivie@cc.usu.edu
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist))
Date: 10 Jun 94 09:47:47 MDT

In article <2t7jbf$gq0@umd5.umd.edu>, mark@elea.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz) writes:
> In article <Cr2JxG.9v5@metapro.dialix.oz.au>,
> Rob Masters <rdm@metapro.DIALix.oz.au> wrote:
>>
>>Who first used UNIX on an 11/23 with 16 users in 128k Ram, runs FreeBSD on a
>>386sx-25/4Mb and /still/ supports a Xenix 286 system that handles 16 users 
>>in 1MB!
>>
>>(Who knows where this will all end! ;-)
> 
> It will end when all the people who used dinky-size PDP11's have said
> what they used. :)  It's a welcome diversion from "What is 386BSD 1.0"
> and "What is different between Linux and BSD".

Only as long as we stick to Unix...

Roger, who once discovered that you could not have more than 12 users on
a 32KW PDP-8/e under ETOS because as soon as the 13th user logged on, the
machine was stuck in its idle loop.

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From: ronb@cc.usu.edu
Subject: Returning my linux partition to dos.
Date: 10 Jun 94 12:10:34 MDT

        I posted a question earlier today about removing a linux disk
partition, and I don't think I quite made it clear enough what I was doing. I
gave linux 120 megs that I need to return to dos.  Fips, however won't do
anything but split partitions.  When it asks me to enter the start cylinder for
the new partition, I give it the end cyl for my dos partition ( +1 ) and it
creates a partition of 0 length.
        Basicly, I wouldn't mind either of the following routes; Returning the
120 megs to my c: drive, or making a 120 meg d: drive out of it.  Either way, I
need the space back for dos applications.

        rOn
--
................/\/\/\/\/\................    The usual disclaimers         
.............../\......./\................    apply anywhere you can      
...../\/\/\.../\......../\.../\./\/\/\....     find a sticky spot.     
..../\..../\./\........./\../\/\....../\..      - RonB@cc.usu.edu      
.../\..../\../\......../\../\......../\... "Where the 'stuff of life' is  
../\/\/\/\.../\......./\../\......../\.... raining our of the skies... "
./\...../\.../\/\/\/\/\../\......../\.....      - Dr. Carl Sagan.
NOTICE:  The above disclamer translates as following: 
Any ideas/requests/desires/fetishes/opinions/flames/code/brainstorms/mental
hernium (sp?)/and kinky mathematical, geological, or algorithmic concepts are
not the fault nor the concern of my employer.  He knew nothing about them when
he hired me.   =]


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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 13:05:45 GMT

In article <Za4tH5K.jbriscoe@delphi.com>, jbriscoe@delphi.com says:
+---------------
| Is there anything to prevent Torvalds or anyone else who's released a
| program under the GPL from accepting bucks from Novell to write a commercial
+------------->8

Nothing at all.  Moreover, nothing's preventing said author from rereleasing
the *same* code under a different copyright/license:  it's *his* code, he can
do whatever he wants with it.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: sasdjb@unx.sas.com (David Biesack)
Subject: color ASCII logo
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:59:24 GMT


Here is a colorized version of the ASCII Linux logo.  (Please don't tell
Woody Allen what I've done :-) I've placed this in my /etc/issue.  I'm
sorry I can't give credit to the person who created the logo; I just
don't know.  Just uudecode and gunzip the following to create color-logo

djb

begin 644 color-logo.gz
M'XL("$ZG^"T``V-O;&]R+6QO9V\`K90]#L,@#(5W7R&+I>Y1HE;=>HFNF3IT
M*U/O+Y42VN"_.(18"A+P_/%,@&X:0C>=+P&@/RX`\3@2046OUW#*D8SO0A+H
MPFP!%L0_L(FW$"7O-Y('<G=9CLY[^8PF^J4G-$MD)@2$SLLU]'RKPM+2;,JL
M4B6NX4UO<@/U/4J.ZOPHI]#=(N=/I:AT(5V;I>M`AH,F,W[%SBFC7<>,AU8.
MH?)T<"SM0VS'<"LCC5.5%%7%O))=*YJ1%K[C$U_Q>^`[MH@C]C@8[K>8)YI]
M]8F*V,8OSX!V,<T'MN30:,JVD]GE)%&=H*2LR[G>41.]J\4*:19O$7Z5`!]J
'LB_QIP@``(!V
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end



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From: rda@eng.cam.ac.uk (R.D. Auchterlounie)
Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Subject: Re: octave & gnuplot
Date: 11 Jun 1994 14:29:25 GMT

root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox) writes:

[...]

>I've since discovered some problems with the gnuplot binary that is on
>sunsite.unc.edu;

>1) the binary distribution does not include gnuplot_x11, which is required
>if you run gnuplot in X;

>2) the gnuplot binary is missing a number of useful terminal types, such
>as latex.

[...]

>Comments?

I agree entirely. The older gnuplot (and incidently ghostscript) binary
distributions are security disaster areas - they needed to be installed
setuid-root for the svgalib drivers but neither program is safe running
setuid-root.

The latest gnuplot binary dist. _seems_ to fix the security problem, but
now doesn't run with svgalib at all - which is fine for me since I only
use it under X, but it also insists on trying to do a svga_init / 
card-probe / whatever _even when running under X_. Frankly, having another
program attempting a video-card probe while X is running (and visible and
writing to the card at the time) scares me. 

There's got to be a better way, I think the svgalib driver should be done
as an off-board driver (like the X11 driver - could use much of it's code
and be done very quickly). As a separate program the svga driver could 
then address the security issues better and wouldn't probe for cards until
you asked for it.

There's probably also a more generic way to make all the drivers separate
programs or dynamically loaded (at least under Linux - remembering that
gnuplot has to run on things like DOS...)

just my 0.02 \insert-local-currency

-ray
<rda@eng.cam.ac.uk>

PS. I volunteer some time if a few people want to get together and do this.

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From: nick@wembley.uni-paderborn.de (Martin Koch)
Subject: Re: Returning my linux partition to dos.
Date: 11 Jun 1994 16:38:28 +0200

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ronb@cc.usu.edu writes:

>       I posted a question earlier today about removing a linux disk
>partition, and I don't think I quite made it clear enough what I was doing. I
>gave linux 120 megs that I need to return to dos.  Fips, however won't do
>anything but split partitions.  When it asks me to enter the start cylinder for
>the new partition, I give it the end cyl for my dos partition ( +1 ) and it
>creates a partition of 0 length.
>       Basicly, I wouldn't mind either of the following routes; Returning the
>120 megs to my c: drive, or making a 120 meg d: drive out of it.  Either way, I
>need the space back for dos applications.

why don't you simply make it a dos partition with dos fdisk??
Means:

Boot DOS and invoke fdisk. delete the linux partition and 
recreate it as a dos partition.

>       rOn
>--
>................/\/\/\/\/\................    The usual disclaimers         
>.............../\......./\................    apply anywhere you can      
>...../\/\/\.../\......../\.../\./\/\/\....     find a sticky spot.     
>..../\..../\./\........./\../\/\....../\..      - RonB@cc.usu.edu      
>.../\..../\../\......../\../\......../\... "Where the 'stuff of life' is  
>../\/\/\/\.../\......./\../\......../\.... raining our of the skies... "
>./\...../\.../\/\/\/\/\../\......../\.....      - Dr. Carl Sagan.
>NOTICE:  The above disclamer translates as following: 
>Any ideas/requests/desires/fetishes/opinions/flames/code/brainstorms/mental
>hernium (sp?)/and kinky mathematical, geological, or algorithmic concepts are
>not the fault nor the concern of my employer.  He knew nothing about them when
>he hired me.   =]
^^^^^ Isn't this a bit big signature? Some people pay for email/news
- ---
Bye ;-)
- --------------Escape the Gates of Hell, use Linux----------
       Martin Koch ---  email : nick@uni-paderborn.de
- ------------------Finger me for my PGP-Key-----------------
Earth, planet
       Mostly Harmless (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy/Douglas Adams)


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From: cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Cason)
Subject: I'm in LOVE ... with Linux
Date: 11 Jun 1994 14:27:45 GMT

I've finally got Linux up ... thanks to yggdrasil's CD-ROM.

I'm in LOVE. ahhh, the pleasure of finally running a real OS at home, and X !

can anyone tell me if a file system created with, say, FREEBSD or SCO can be
read by Linux ? say I have an external HDD which I want to carry to a SCO
machine ??? (or vice-versa.)

regards,

-- Chris

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From: bobsnyder421@delphi.com (Robert Snyder)
Subject: Re: One Stop Information
Date: 11 Jun 1994 14:49:50 GMT

>In article <94Jun214731.9734@cs.cornell.edu>
Matt Welsh writes: 
>Not quite so tiny, once you consider the volume of the printing run.
>We're going to be using these funds to benefit a number of Linux projects,
>as well as to start a technical documentation and equipment fund through
>which LDP writers (and Linux developers in general, we hope) can request
>aid for purchasing materials needed to aid their work on Linux.
> 
>Details will be forthcoming, once we've made final decisions.
> 
Matt:
   That is fine.  I can only hope that some time can be found for the
docs to be written in ASCII, for those DOS'ers who might like to
switch, but cannot afford to go out and buy a ps printer.  The only
doc I found - full length - is your installation guide (and you are
correct; it's ugly, but the only one available to me).  I've looked
in as many sites as I can think of, and cannot find a program to
change ps into ascii, or TeX into ascii.


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: me@tartufo.pcs.com (Michael Elbel)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Reply-To: me%dude.pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 14:07:38 GMT

In <2spm91$1b2@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva) writes:

>The difference is that "ls -F" doesn't mean "ls" has to suck in termlib.
>Sometimes extra features are a bad idea, when they lead to code bloat. So
>far Linux itself seems to have avoided this common GNU disease (at least
>when compared with commercial UNIX), but with this sort of attitude it's
>not going to last.

Does it? I'm pretty sure, it doesn't. I distinctively remember that the
/etc/DIRCOLORS file holds the actual escape sequences to use. I had
to start supporting the ANSI color sequences on the lean'n'mean 
emu emulation for Emu.

Michael
--
Michael Elbel, Digital-PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - me@pcs.com
Fermentation fault (coors dumped)

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From: bradb@bronze.coil.com (Brad Block)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Where is archie for Linux?
Date: 11 Jun 1994 10:58:27 -0400

Does anyone know where I could find archie for Linux?

- Thanks!
-- 
----|Brad Block|----                            ----|Sysoop: Wave 2 BBS|----
     AKA: MaKi                                          614\766-1258
                                                    bradb@bronze.coil.com


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From: mjohnsto@ditdah.Morse.Net (Michael R. Johnston)
Subject: Linux Quarterly CDROM Update
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 22:04:10 GMT

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Morse Telecommunication, Inc.


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From: wiegley@phakt.usc.edu (Wigs)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Q: why won't my GUS record?
Date: 9 Jun 1994 18:14:20 -0700


I've had a GUS sound card for about four months now and I can play .au
files and the like just fine.

I just got a hold of a microphone, plugged it in and tried

 dd bs=8k count=4 </dev/audio >sample.au

and then

 cat sample.au >/dev/audio

but I get no sound.  the file sample.au consists of only "b"s.  vrec and
srec don't work either.  but I can play .au files and things like
endoftheworld just fine.  speech and rsynth also work fine. (choppy but
that's the way I guess it is for speech synthesis)

I switched to MS-Windows 3.1 (yick) and tried to record using Wavelite
which came with the GUS.  This method worked just fine.  I can record wave
files successfully but only under windows.  trying to record a wave file
using vrec only produces a blank sounding file.

Does anybody know what could be causing this problem under linux?  I am
running the 1.1.18 kernel right now.

- Jeff Wiegley
wiegley@usc.edu

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From: dlacroix@guilder.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (David La Croix)
Subject: Re: Can Dosemu run DOOM?
Date: 10 Jun 1994 21:41:05 GMT

Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
: In <2sgcca$4ro@galaxy.ucr.edu> datadec@yenko.ucr.edu (Kevin Marcus) writes:

<stuff deleted> 

: You obviously didn't look recently...  But indeed, it can't run DOOM.
: That shouldn't be necessesary either, we were promised a Linux version
: of DOOM.

: Rob
: -- 
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
: | Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
: | e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Any idea when and where I can get it????     Does it use svgalib?  'cause
I'm sure any X version wouldn't be fast enough.
--
dlacroix@guilder.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (the newest addition to the net)
dlacroix@vt.edu
dlacroix@onyx.pvcc.cc.va.us

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 13:25:53 GMT

dbruyne@reks.uia.ac.be (Karel.DeBruyne) writes:

>Jim Balson (crbalsn@axpo5.sdrc.com) wrote:

>Some stuff deleted.
>: 
>:      But, Wayne, Linux is not complete at $40.00. In case you haven't
>: noticed, Motif is missing. Linux System Labs will sell you Motif for, ah, 
>: $175.00. plus the $40.00 you claim you can get Linux for , and thats a 
>: whopping $215.00 for Linux (shipping not included). With Unixware at $280.00, 
>: I know which I would rather have! 

>Excuse me, but I can run Motif-applications on a Linux-machine from an 
>X-terminal using local motif, or am I wrong ?
>That way I don't have to pay for Motif on each Linux-machine.

Well, that is a little hard to explain.  You are refering to the window
manager, which is only a small part of Motif.  Yes, you can run the Motif Window
Manager on an Xterminal connected to Linux, without buying Motif for Linux.
(Although you did indirectly pay for running the Mwm though the licensing
fees on the Xterminal; even if those charges are hidden).

But there is more to Motif.  For example, unless you buy Motif for Linux,
you will not be able to compile X applications which require the Motif
libraries.  In addition, you cannot even RUN Motif applications unless
they are statically linked (like WordPerfect for Unix).  If they are
dynamically linked, you need to buy Motif for Linux in order to get the
shared libraries (which is recommended for much lower memory usage; WP
used static, however, to increase compatibility and reduce their support
obligations).

To make matters more confusing, the newer version of Motif even has restrictions
on statically compiled Motif applications.  I do not know the details off
hand (but it does annoy me).

Motif is likely to be THE standard look and feel for all Unix and non-Unix
X Windows applications.  This is the reason for the push for a Motif clone.
The specs for the Motif API/ libraries are now available, which means
a clone could be developed and used just like the real thing.  There is
a similarity (although remote) to the WINE project.

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From: arc@thunder.indstate.edu (Arc Wave)
Subject: Linux Quest (I ho, off the way I go)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 15:11:59 GMT

        Since my last encounter with Linux was toasted by Microcrap
Software's DOS I've been out of comission.  Today I venture out to grab a new
300-500MB HD to put Linux onto...and to set out to develop software for
Linux.  I assume Linux is now 1.1 or 1.2 so I need to wander to the cluster
and start downloading (ftp and just mcopy it off this linux box (Thunder)).

        I hope 300MB (taking lowest one) is enough to develop in Linux...if
not I see an Enhanced IDE interface coming my way.  Speaking of which can I
use E-IDE with Linux?

        Here is my (to be) setup:

        486/33 12MB RAM, 300+ HD, CDU-33a (Sony) CDROM, Pro Audio Spectrum &
        14.4/14.4 fax modem.  Of course there is OS/2 Performance 2.99 beta
        on it already (first 340MB HD).  I know how to install Linux and
        OS/2...just need to know if any of the above will work with Linux --
        i.e. the sound card and cd-rom.

Paul


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Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.os.os2.setup
From: dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Colin Dunn)
Subject: Re: SCSI controller for OS/2, DOS, Linux, possibly even NT?
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 15:08:01 GMT

terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen) writes:

>Isn't 1522 a PIO controller? It is definately not DMA, but it might be 
>interrupt driven, not sure if it is.

The 1522 is a PIO controller, and it is interrupt-driven. But I may need
to replace it in my system because the drivers for OS/2 2.11 (and,
I have heard, the 2.99 beta, though I haven't tried it on my system)
don't work with all Adaptec 1522 controllers.

And I think I am one of the unlucky people...



Colin Dunn
dunnc@ucsu.colorado.edu


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Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.os.os2.setup
From: dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Colin Dunn)
Subject: Re: SCSI controller for OS/2, DOS, Linux, possibly even NT?
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 15:10:05 GMT

rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:

>>I thought the Adaptec 1522 would satisfy these requirements, but the OS/2
>>service pack and 2.99 beta have device drivers that do not work with
>>my Adaptec 1522 (based on AIC-6360).

>One paragraph before, you said you did not want to use beta-level drivers...

I am not using the OS/2 "performance" beta, but I am using the OS/2
service pack (2.11 GA -- not a beta). But I have heard other Adaptec
1522 owners complain of similar problems when they went from 2.10 ->
2.99 "performance" beta. This gives me the impression that the device
driver will be broken for good ... no one has told me otherwise, as of yet.

>So what's the problem?  You can at least transfer to 4/5 of your memory
>the fast way, and the 2-step transfer to memory above 16M will probably
>still be faster than the 1522 is all the time...

Since I might have to spend money to upgrade, I should get a controller
that could do DMA transfers to ALL memory, over the VESA local bus
instead. The Adaptec brand name matters less to me than the system
WORKING, so I might look into the BusLogic 445S, which many people have
suggested to me on the net. It supposedly is Adaptec 1540 compatible
for Linux (but with the 16MB limitation?) and has native OS/2 drivers.
I haven't heard of the OS/2 drivers breaking...




Colin Dunn
dunnc@ucsu.colorado.edu


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