Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #248
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 11 Jun 94 09:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #248, Volume #2                Sat, 11 Jun 94 09:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: flop-0.1 available (Shannon Hendrix)
  Re: Why Linux? (John Dyson)
  POP vs IMAP ("Stephen Davies")
  Re: future of Unixware (Charles Liu)
  Re: Eudora / LANtastic for TCP/IP / Linux problems (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Can Dosemu run DOOM? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: future of Unixware (Rob Janssen)
  Re: 40M Syquest Removeable (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Wabi and Wine? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: BogoMips program from SunSite (Rob Janssen)
  Re: SCSI controller for OS/2, DOS, Linux, possibly even NT? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Yggdrasil and PAS16 SCSI/CDROM: Any successes? (Mike Ovington)
  Re: How to up number of vt's? (Ville Salminen)
  Re: future of Unixware (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Linux and Symetrical Multi-Processing? (Brad Block)
  Re: One Stop Information (Matt Welsh)

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From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: Re: flop-0.1 available
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 02:15:55 GMT

Andreas Toenne (atoenne@mpi-sb.mpg.de) wrote:
: In article <ATOENNE.94Jun8105235@mpii02013.mpi-sb.mpg.de> atoenne@mpi-sb.mpg.de (Andreas Toenne) writes:

:    Sure you are missing GNU tar since it comes with the 
:    *TAR & FEATHER* option :-)

:    Do this: gtar -cMzf /dev/fd0 .


: Please forget about this nonsense. GNU tar does not support the mixing
: of multi-volume archives and on-the-fly compression.
: Still the multi-volume option is great for already compressed directories.

Say what?  I do multi-volume and on-the-fly compression all the time.

tar cvfMz <tarfile> <file1> <file2>... <fileN>

That's all it takes.  Multi-volume 'M' option and GNU zip compression 'z'
option.  You could specify compress instead with 'Z'.

-- 
csh
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shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University

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From: John Dyson <dysonj@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Why Linux?
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 94 04:10:26 -0500

Daniel Leeds <dleeds@MCS.COM> writes:
 
>Dwight M Evers (evers@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
>: Bill Karwin (Contractor-MM) (bkarwin@cup.hp.com) wrote:
>: : Caesar Wong (caesarw@agora.rdrop.com) wrote:
>: : : What's the main differences between Linux and (free) BSD?
>
>: : Linux has better support for memory configurations over 16Mb.
>: : FreeBSD does not support non-SCSI CD-ROMs.
>: : FreeBSD seems to support more network controllers.
>
 
FreeBSD now has support for non-SCSI CD-ROMs (Mitsumi) and also has
bounce buffering for over 16MB.  The final Net/2 based release will be
coming out in about 1 wk.  Also the 4.4 based stuff will be *much* better
yet.
 
No rug has been pulled out from FreeBSD -- we are making many new improvements
and rewriting large sections of the code.  We are building on an existing,
proven platform.  NIH (not invented here) is NOT one of our mottos, and if
the BSD code base is good (which it is), we are not going to rewrite it just
because it is not something that we did ourselves.  The BSD kernel is really
a very interesting piece of software, but has/had some rough edges.  there
is still work to be done, and it is not perfect.  (But it will be :-)).
FreeBSD or its successor will be here for a VERY long time.
 
It is interesting sometimes how people gather impressions and stick to them.
I remember when Linux was a toy and 386BSD was broken beyond belief.  Linux
is no longer a toy -- and FreeBSD is commercial quality and capable of taking
on commercial tasks with very heavy loads and robust scheduling (X is rock
steady even with lots of background activity.)  It would have been interesting
to have seen the effort placed on FreeBSD that was put into Linux.  Both
have different philosophies, but both are quite credible in their own right.
 
John
dyson@implode.root.com (FreeBSD core team member and VM hacker)

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From: "Stephen Davies" <scldad@sdc.com.au>
Subject: POP vs IMAP
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 94 17:06:14 PDT

I have seen a large number of posts to various groups recently asking about
POP servers and clients but none asking about IMAP.

I use IMAP because ages ago I was told that it was easier to administer
(none) and allowed mail delivery while the in-box is open.

Am I missing something?

Steve. 

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Stephen Davies Consulting                              scldad@sdc.com.au
Adelaide, South Australia.                           Voice: 61-8-2728863
Computing & Network solutions.                       Fax  : 61-8-2741015

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 02:31:22 GMT


Can this UW SDK Motif work in conjunction with Linux ?  

Charles
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Eudora / LANtastic for TCP/IP / Linux problems
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 09:04:48 GMT

In <2taku1$34o@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Bruce@renzo.usra.edu (Bruce Pleat, <Bruce@usra.edu>) writes:

>Sorry to do this "mass distribution", but we've spent hundreds of manhours
>on the following problem(s), so I figure it's time to bother the Net...

[ ... finally someone who describes the situation first ... ]

>"SOMETIMES" Problems:
>- I believe that these two are related:
>  - When in the Artisoft TCP/IP Windows Telnet module
>    - If I "logout" of Phoenix, instead of a "clean" close,
>      the module reports an error of "Server closed 
>  - When in Eudora, trying to pop my mail down or send it up to Phoenix
>    - An "early close" error often occurs

There has been a bug in Linux for some time, where an RST was always sent
during the close of a TCP connection.  It never did a neat close.
This may lead to software claiming a problem, although I think nothing
actually went wrong (i.e. all data in the connection was transferred
before the RST was sent)

Anyway, it was recently fixed.  It works okay on my 1.1.19 system now.
You could try that kernel to see if this problem goes away.  Maybe it went
away recently, as you describe it as a "sometimes" problem, and are now
at 1.1.18

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Can Dosemu run DOOM?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 09:18:15 GMT

In <2tamlh$jia@solaris.cc.vt.edu> dlacroix@guilder.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (David La Croix) writes:

>Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
>: In <2sgcca$4ro@galaxy.ucr.edu> datadec@yenko.ucr.edu (Kevin Marcus) writes:

><stuff deleted> 

>: You obviously didn't look recently...  But indeed, it can't run DOOM.
>: That shouldn't be necessesary either, we were promised a Linux version
>: of DOOM.

>: Rob
>: -- 
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>Any idea when and where I can get it????     Does it use svgalib?  'cause
>I'm sure any X version wouldn't be fast enough.

Now, exactly *that* you shouldn't have said...   Light the flamethrower, guys!

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:04:53 GMT

In <Cr5zEF.Ltx@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

>In article <2t516p$6vl@bird.summit.novell.com>
>       pend@usl.com (Steve Pendergrast) writes:

>There appear to be no members of the current crop of high capacity
>( that is, > 16 ports) intelligent serial cards which support Linux.
>Most of the Linux supported stuff is 4-port 16550 cards, few of which
>come with more than four ports.

>Hooking up >96 ports to a commercial Unix box is trivial; doing it with
>Linux is impossible without a terminal server, which adds in its own
>series of headaches, especially if you just want a stand-alone box with
>no networking.

Why would you ever want to have >96 RS232 ports on a Unix box??
Are you still using serial terminals to work on?  Aieee...  Today, most
people prefer to have an X terminal or a PC on ethernet, running terminal
emulation.
In case you want to tell me it is less expensive: you forget the cost of
the cabling and its maintenance.  (e.g. when relocating users or adding
additional terminals at a location)

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: 40M Syquest Removeable
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:07:43 GMT

In <2t9054$6sj@nps.navy.mil> root@vortex.usw.nps.navy.mil (root) writes:

>If Linux can utilize a syquest 40 Mb I would like to know also,
>I continually get bad partition table messages when I try to mount
>it. (SCSI version)

Of course it has to be partitioned for the PC environment...  If not,
first fdisk it and create a filesystem using mkfs.

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Wabi and Wine?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:08:56 GMT

In <1994Jun10.081717.48324@hursley.ibm.com> pb@hursley.ibm.com writes:

>At work I currently run AIX on my RS6000, and can use
>WABI to run Windows apps under X. I saw a mention of
>a program called Wine (?). I'm interested in installing
>Linux at home and was wondering whether this would be
>a sort of Wabi equivalent package.

Yes, but it is not finished.

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: BogoMips program from SunSite
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 19:42:18 GMT

In <2t9t7f$1483@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> cravitma@cps.msu.edu (Matthew B Cravit) writes:

>I downloaded the standalone BogoMips program from sunsite.unc.edu, and
>compiled it to run under SunOS 5 on a Sparc 10. When I ran it, it
>produced a figure of 38.0 BogoMips. Does this sound reasonable for a
>Sparc 10 running OpenWindows (the system load average is around 1.08).
>Feel free to email me instead of posting here.

OK...  Now the word "BogoMips" goes into my kill file.

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.os.os2.setup
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: SCSI controller for OS/2, DOS, Linux, possibly even NT?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 22:40:16 GMT

In <dunnc.771263020@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Colin Dunn) writes:

>I am looking for a SCSI controller (ISA or VLB) that will work under
>OS/2, DOS, Linux, and Windows NT. The controller I need to find must
>be able to work under all four operating systems, without having to use
>beta-level or buggy released device drivers.

>I thought the Adaptec 1522 would satisfy these requirements, but the OS/2
>service pack and 2.99 beta have device drivers that do not work with
>my Adaptec 1522 (based on AIC-6360).

One paragraph before, you said you did not want to use beta-level drivers...

>I would prefer to stay away from the Adaptec 1540/42 because of the ISA
>bus's inability to do bus-master data transfers above the 16MB line (my
>system has 20MB RAM).

So what's the problem?  You can at least transfer to 4/5 of your memory
the fast way, and the 2-step transfer to memory above 16M will probably
still be faster than the 1522 is all the time...

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 22:41:45 GMT

In <2ta8jr$ii9@nkosi.well.com> gonzo@magnet.mednet.net (Patrick J. Volkerding) writes:

>In article <2t9jo2$gek@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
>Peter da Silva <peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>>In article <me.771084458@tartufo>,
>>Michael Elbel <me%dude.pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> wrote:
>>>Does it? I'm pretty sure, it doesn't. I distinctively remember that the
>>>/etc/DIRCOLORS file holds the actual escape sequences to use.
>>
>>What if you have more than one terminal?

>Then you can use $HOME/.dir_colors to override the file in /etc.

Ah, so you get a new home with each terminal?

Rob
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From: kmo@sae.com (Mike Ovington)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil and PAS16 SCSI/CDROM: Any successes?
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:04:30 GMT

In article <Cr3GG5.AGC@news.arco.com>, Dan Inman <lasdti@aai.arco.com> writes:
|>      Hello. I've just ordered the Yggdrasil CDROM, and I'm hoping
|> to set up a CDROM-dependent installation, so that I only take up
|> 50-70M of my HD for essentials and user directories. Adam 
|> was kind enough to point out that the PAS16 SCSI driver is
|> "experimental," and that he only gave me a 50/50 chance of
|> getting the installation done using that driver with my 
|> Toshiba 3401 CDROM.
<snip>
|>      So, my question is, has anyone out there been successful 
|> installing/using this driver with one of the standard supported
|> CDROMs?

I have had very mixed success, but can currently run. I have a PAS-16
and Toshiba 3401 too. Almost every time I try to mount the CD, either
with the supplied boot disk or I completed the installation (I'll get to that)
I get the error message:

SCSI host 0 timed out -- aborting command
SCSI CD error- host 0 id 0 lun 0 return code - 25040000
CD ROM I/O error: dev 0b00, sector 2

and the system locks up dead.

Now, once in a blue moon, that won't happen and it mounts successfully.
During one of those times, I installed most of what I want onto my 300M
linux partition. The Yggdrasil system administration tool makes it
very easy to load different packages, but the way they break the packages
out still mysifies me. Loading the gcc development package doesn't load make
or ar for example. To get them you have to load (with 100M+ other stuff)
"the rest of /usr/lib and /usr/bin". I still run across tools that
I haven't loaded and usually end up copying them from the CD to 
a DOS partition under Windows 3.1 (where my CD ROM support is rock solid).
I then copy them to my linux partion after rebooting.

If you get that far, do NOT automatically mount the CD ROM in /etc/fstab.
If your system is like mine, you will rarely be able to boot.
I have heard a suggestion that you should boot dos first, which will
initialize the PAS scsi, but that hasn't worked for me.

I have NOT yet tried hacking scsi drivers, looking for more recent ones,
or reconfigured the kernal to treat the PAS scsi controller differently.
I don't have ftp access to the net.
-- 
                        ____
  Michael Ovington      \  /    Template Software    voice: 703-318-1000
  mikeo@template.com     \/                          fax:   703-318-7378

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From: jylk_vs@cc.Helsinki.FI (Ville Salminen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: How to up number of vt's?
Date: 11 Jun 1994 09:31:45 +0300

In article <2taokm$agj@bronze.coil.com>,
Brad Block <bradb@bronze.coil.com> wrote:
>How do I up the number of Virtual consoles in the kernel?  Also, how 
>should I go about recompiling the kernel once I've modified it?

This oughta be in a FAQ, if it isn't.

You need to edit the file include/linux/tty.h. There's a #define: 

#define NR_CONSOLES     8

replace the '8' or whatever is the number of VC's currently, with the
number of VC's you want.

Then re-compile the kernel as usual.

Create the devices in /etc ; like

mknod tty<tty-number> c 4 <tty-number>

then set the permissions and ownerships.
If you want the new VC's to run getty, add getty's for them in /etc/inittab.

After a reboot you should be able to switch to the new consoles.

Note: there was something special about changing to a tty# > 12, 
the first 12 should be reachable via the familiar Alt-F-keys.
Sorry, I can't recall how was one able to use VC's above 12, since
I use "only" 12 of them myself. Someone posted about it a few weeks
ago I think.

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  jylk_vs@Helsinki.FI   :   Ville Salminen   Kauppiaank. 8a5   00160 HKI
                        :                    Puistokatu 1a23   40100 JKL

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 04:12:52 GMT

In article <2taitm$o9p@u.cc.utah.edu>, terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) says:
+---------------
| ] The specs for the Motif API/ libraries are now available, which means
| ] a clone could be developed and used just like the real thing.
| 
| Are you referring to "the specifications" in the sense of the widely
| available OSF Motif "White book" documentation for 1.1 and (recently) 1.2?
+------------->8

He's referring to the specifications which OSF recently released to X/Open as
part of the proposed CDE standard.  I don't know what, if any, relationship
the X/Open specs have to the document you mention.  If the specs given to
X/Open are insufficient, I would hope that X/Open will complain to OSF and get
it corrected; that is, after all, one reason why X/Open reviews proposed
standards before adopting them.

++Brandon
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Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: bradb@bronze.coil.com (Brad Block)
Subject: Linux and Symetrical Multi-Processing?
Date: 9 Jun 1994 17:53:24 -0400

Has anyone seen or heard any rumors about appending the Linux kernel or 
modifying for use with multiprocessing motherboards?

The reason I am asking is because Intel's new P54CM 90/100 Pentiums have 
nifty special features that allow for great ease of SMP.  If the Linux 
kernel could be arranged around this, please let me know!

- Thanks!

-- 
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     AKA: MaKi                                          614\766-1258
                                                    bradb@bronze.coil.com


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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: One Stop Information
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 21:47:31 GMT

In article <HANKEDR.94Jun9131624@mallard.mail.auburn.edu> hankedr@mail.auburn.edu (Darrel Hankerson) writes:
>In addition, purchase of professionally-bound versions of the GNU Emacs
>or C-Kermit manuals are so much nicer than all those laser-printed pages,
>and help suppport the respective projects. Even the LDP gets a tiny amount
>of support from Yggdrasil:

Not quite so tiny, once you consider the volume of the printing run.
We're going to be using these funds to benefit a number of Linux projects,
as well as to start a technical documentation and equipment fund through
which LDP writers (and Linux developers in general, we hope) can request
aid for purchasing materials needed to aid their work on Linux.

Details will be forthcoming, once we've made final decisions.

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