Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #247
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Linux-Misc Digest #247, Volume #2                Sat, 11 Jun 94 07:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Alan Cox)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (Alan Cox)
  Re: PCI Motherboards (Michael Will)
  Re: S3 cards and freezing X windows (A solution) (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Calling VESA from Watcom C 9.0 (Paul Hsieh)
  Re: mount CD-ROM ? (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: Help for Conner 250 and FTAPE? (Janne Sinkkonen)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (Paul)
  Re: S3 cards and freezing X windows (A solution) (Mark J Elkins)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Patrick J. Volkerding)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (lilo [Dances With Geeks])
  Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)) (Leigh Hart)
  Re: What PCI video card works good with Linux? (Steve DuChene)
  showmount in Linux (Michael Lo)
  Re: Cobol for Linux (Harald Milz)
  Re: Mouse under X ... (Harald Milz)
  Re: Linux and COBOL (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Orc)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:21:29 GMT

In article <2t9jo2$gek@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <me.771084458@tartufo>,
>Michael Elbel <me%dude.pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> wrote:
>>Does it? I'm pretty sure, it doesn't. I distinctively remember that the
>>/etc/DIRCOLORS file holds the actual escape sequences to use.
>
>What if you have more than one terminal?

You use the proper colour ls that doesn't use hard coded escapes. I've never
even met the one that doesnt

Urghh.. shudder

Alan




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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:26:07 GMT

In article <1994Jun10.155151.26348@cm.cf.ac.uk> paul@myrddin.isl.cf.ac.uk (Paul) writes:
>Umm, not true because Novell's code would be a derived work and
>not something wholly developed by themselves. The relevant part of the GPL
>states: 2b)
............
>Makes sense, otherwise any company could grab Linux and start selling it
>for large sums of money. You can't actually do that, you can only charge
>for the distribution and support of GPL'd software.

No because you charge for the other applications not the kernel. The source
issue is also no problem for the GPL'd programs in your 'mere aggregation'
as a CD-ROM is nice and roomy.

>  Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member.
                  ^^^^^^^ now this software you can just grab improve keep
                          in binary format only and sell for loads of money.

Alan


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From: zxmgv07@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will)
Subject: Re: PCI Motherboards
Date: 10 Jun 94 16:44:12 GMT

In <Cr5039.GK9@newsflash.concordia.ca> p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA (Paul Quinn) writes:
>I'm about to purchase a new MB.  How does Linux work with PCI?  Are there any
>problems?
See a great deal of information in 
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/PCI-HOWTO

>Should I avoid PCI?  Is it worth buying 72pin simms?
I would recommend PCI - and if you do use PCI you have to use 72pin simms anywy.

Cheers, Michael Will

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: S3 cards and freezing X windows (A solution)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 03:11:56 GMT

In article <mje.771104020@mje99> mje@posix.co.za (Mark J Elkins) writes:
>In <1994Jun8.123110.4689@crosfield.co.uk> jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) writes:

>I have an S3 and two local bus slots. I tried moving the Video into the
>other slot - as I have this hanging problem - and never even reached X
>coming up!! - so the VLB slot marked for the S3-VGA card was definately the
>correct (original) choice! How many people are actually successfully running
>an S3 VLB card on Linux 1.0 with XFree 2.1 - and NOT having a problem?

Try introducing wait states both at the motherboard level (some
motherboards support setting VLB wait states), 
at the card level (some S3 cards have a dip switch to set a wait
state -- sometimes is called a turbo switch), try different bus 
speeds some VLB you can set the bus speed, also played around with
your bios settings for your system clock and memory wait states.

I seem to recollect that  motherboards with cis chipsets where having
problems with S3 cards.

Hope this helps,
        Amancio





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Crossposted-To: rec.games.programmer,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.os.msdos.programmer
From: phsieh@atitech.ca (Paul Hsieh)
Subject: Calling VESA from Watcom C 9.0
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:31:30 GMT


Hello out there.  I realize that I'm about to be flamed for being such an
advocate of WC and end up asking a question about it, however ...

I have been trying to call my VESA driver from a WC 9.0 program.  The 
DOS4GW version is 1.8 (which is pretty ancient, but it mostly works well
for me).  The scenario is pretty simply.  I need to set AX=4F00, and
ES:DI to my _far address (i.e., below the first meg) then call int 10
and watch ES:DI fill up with lotsa goodly info.

In real mode this is not a problem (I wrote a little .com file which
functions perfectly).  To do this in WC, I first allocated some low
memory using DPMI function 0x0400.  I got back a segment and selector
that I verified were reasonable values.  Then to use it, I simply
calculated the flat address equivalent (i.e., segment*0x10) in a
variable I called "VIS".  Then, before calling int 10 I set ES to 
(VIS & 0xF0000) >> 4 and DI to (VIS & 0xFFFF), AX=0x4F00.  Upon return
from the int 10, I got the required 0x004F.  But the information in
VIS was untouched.  I verified this with 3 different VESA drivers, so
I am pretty sure that the VESA drivers are not at fault.

Does anyone know exactly what's going wrong?  I might be mixing up the
definition of selector and segment, but in most cases ES becomes 0,
which I assume was translated to 0 either as a selector or a segment.
Is version 1.8 of DOS4GW just too old or buggy?  Have I pulled a major
braino here?  Any help on this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Paul Hsieh

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Date: Thu, 09 Jun 1994 00:23:06 +0200
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: mount CD-ROM ?


Hello david her and all others,

on 08.06.94 david her wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

dh> I installed slackware 1.1.0 and it recongized SoundBlaster CDROM, also
dh> found a device /etc/cdrom. The problem is how to mount cdrom ?

#cat /usr/src/linux/drivers/block/README.sbpcd  | more

or, if your system is too old to contain it,

#mkdir /CD
#mount -t iso9660 /dev/sbpcd /CD

Greetings ... Eberhard


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From: janne@avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (Janne Sinkkonen)
Subject: Re: Help for Conner 250 and FTAPE?
Date: 10 Jun 1994 20:06:52 +0300

In article <2t9vml$lme@news.uni-paderborn.de>,
Michael Klemme <klemme@uni-paderborn.de> wrote:

>I believe the ftape-Howto is wrong saying that the Win version of the Conner
>backup software formats tapes right.

I have formatted one tape with Conner win-version, and was not able to
write onto the tape, either.

Preformatted tapes work ok, as well as one formatted with a Colorado
utility under DOS.

--
Janne


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From: paul@myrddin.isl.cf.ac.uk (Paul)
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:24:15 +0000

In article <1994Jun10.162607.16558@uk.ac.swan.pyr>,
Alan Cox <iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr> wrote:
>In article <1994Jun10.155151.26348@cm.cf.ac.uk> paul@myrddin.isl.cf.ac.uk (Paul) writes:
>>Umm, not true because Novell's code would be a derived work and
>>not something wholly developed by themselves. The relevant part of the GPL
>>states: 2b)
>............
>>Makes sense, otherwise any company could grab Linux and start selling it
>>for large sums of money. You can't actually do that, you can only charge
>>for the distribution and support of GPL'd software.
>
>No because you charge for the other applications not the kernel. The source
>issue is also no problem for the GPL'd programs in your 'mere aggregation'
>as a CD-ROM is nice and roomy.

You've taken this out of context -- I wasn't referring to Novell
charging for their product and bundling Linux along with it.
Specifically I was responding to the following statement:

In article <2t7t83$2b2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
lilo [Dances With Geeks] <lilo@slip-5-16.ots.utexas.edu> wrote:
>I guess you didn't realize that the GNU license allows one to sell one's
>program for any price desired, as long as source is made available and a
>license to redistribute (including source) is granted.

which wouldn't apply to a Novell modified Linux kernel since it would be a
derived work. I agree that Novell could bundle this modified kernel with 
their own code and charge for the package as a whole (the charge being for
the Novell code of course :-).

>
>>  Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member.
>                 ^^^^^^^ now this software you can just grab improve keep
>                         in binary format only and sell for loads of money.

Yep, well aware of that -- I'm a BSD copyright person myself but
that's just a matter of taste.

-- 
  Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member.
  Intelligent Systems Laboratory, ELSYM ,University of Wales, College Cardiff
  Internet: paul@isl.cf.ac.uk,  JANET(UK): RICHARDSDP@CARDIFF.AC.UK

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: mje@posix.co.za (Mark J Elkins)
Subject: Re: S3 cards and freezing X windows (A solution)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 19:33:40 GMT

In <1994Jun8.123110.4689@crosfield.co.uk> jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) writes:

>I believe VLB slots can either support bus-mastering, or not; my MB docs
>say two of mine do, and one doesn't. Typically, the daft thing says
>something like "VLB slots 1&2 support bus mastering", but doesn't tell
>you how they're numbered 8-(.  Anyway, that may have something to do with
>why yours works one way round and not the other.

I have an S3 and two local bus slots. I tried moving the Video into the
other slot - as I have this hanging problem - and never even reached X
coming up!! - so the VLB slot marked for the S3-VGA card was definately the
correct (original) choice! How many people are actually successfully running
an S3 VLB card on Linux 1.0 with XFree 2.1 - and NOT having a problem?
Can a few folk describe their setups please?
Mine is 16Mb RAM, Cyrix 33 + FPU, 2xVLB, XFree 2.1, Linux 1.0, Adaptec 1542C,
SCSI HDU, 8 bit Sound Blaster clone, IDE/AT-2S-1P-1G. S3-VLB card 1Mb RAM.
-- 
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 /| /|       / /__       UUCP: uunet!mje99!mje (Mark J. Elkins)
/ |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS  mje@posix.co.za (Postmaster) Tel: +27 11 456 3125

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From: gonzo@magnet.mednet.net (Patrick J. Volkerding)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: 10 Jun 1994 17:41:15 GMT

In article <2t9jo2$gek@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
Peter da Silva <peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>In article <me.771084458@tartufo>,
>Michael Elbel <me%dude.pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> wrote:
>>Does it? I'm pretty sure, it doesn't. I distinctively remember that the
>>/etc/DIRCOLORS file holds the actual escape sequences to use.
>
>What if you have more than one terminal?

Then you can use $HOME/.dir_colors to override the file in /etc.

Pat

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From: lilo@slip-5-16.ots.utexas.edu (lilo [Dances With Geeks])
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: 10 Jun 1994 19:36:44 GMT

On Fri, 10 Jun 1994 15:51:50 +0000, Paul (paul@myrddin.isl.cf.ac.uk) wrote:

> >I guess you didn't realize that the GNU license allows one to sell one's
> >program for any price desired, as long as source is made available and a
> >license to redistribute (including source) is granted.

> Umm, not true because Novell's code would be a derived work and
> not something wholly developed by themselves. The relevant part of the GPL
> states: 2b)

>     b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
>     whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
>     part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
>     parties under the terms of this License.

> Makes sense, otherwise any company could grab Linux and start selling it
> for large sums of money. You can't actually do that, you can only charge
> for the distribution and support of GPL'd software.

Well, since you can charge whatever distributing charge you want, I guess
the only quibble is in my use of the word "sell."  Um, I'm not sure that
matters altogether too much....  ;)


lilo

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From: hart@apanix.apana.org.au (Leigh Hart)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: One downsmanship (Was:Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist))
Date: 10 Jun 94 11:17:41 GMT

rdm@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Rob Masters) writes:

>In <hart.770900967@apanix.apana.org.au> hart@apanix.apana.org.au (Leigh Hart) writes:
>>peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>>-- Peter, who first used UNIX on an 11/70 that supported 65 users in 2MB RAM,
>>>   and still supports Xenix systems that'll run 10 users in 1MB.

>>-- Leigh, who first used UNIX on an 11/34 that supported 12 users in 128k RAM,
>>   and still runs FreeBSD on a 386sx-16/6mb :-)

>Who first used UNIX on an 11/23 with 16 users in 128k Ram, runs FreeBSD on a
>386sx-25/4Mb and /still/ supports a Xenix 286 system that handles 16 users 
>in 1MB!

Who first used CPM on a Fergusson Big Board (home-built-with-friend) 
complete with an Eprom Burner on the motherboard :-)

>(Who knows where this will all end! ;-)

I might leave it there, I'm getting faint with bad memories :-)

Cheers

Leigh
--
                                 Leigh Hart
                               C/- PO Box 758
                          North Adelaide  SA  5006
 hart@eppie.apana.org.au  hart@apanix.apana.org.au  hart@cleese.apana.org.au

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From: s0017210@cc.ysu.edu (Steve DuChene)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: What PCI video card works good with Linux?
Date: 11 Jun 1994 07:31:40 GMT

Andrew Anderson (andersoa@news.db.erau.edu) wrote:
: Brad Block (bradb@bronze.coil.com) wrote:
: : What PCI video card works good with Linux?

: My ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (2 Meg) works just fine.

        Yes, I second that. Mine works really nice with
        my NANAO F560iW in 1280x1024
-- 
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| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
|They all laughed at Albert Einstein. They all laughed at Columbus. 
|Unfortunately, they also all laughed at Bozo the Clown. 

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From: ee_hflo@dma039.ust.hk (Michael Lo)
Subject: showmount in Linux
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 07:45:11 GMT

        
        Any showmount like program in Linux ?


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Cobol for Linux
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 07:18:12 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

Mackenzie StLouis (mstlouis@world.std.com) wrote:
: > Does anyone know where I can get a Cobol compiler for Linux.

I understand that the ACU COBOL compiler is available for Linux.

-- 
Harald Milz                             office: hm@ix.de
iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      home:   hm@seneca.ix.de
Opinions are mine, not my employer's -- the answer is Forty-two


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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Mouse under X ...
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 07:21:46 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

Nicholas Hall (nrh@dcs.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: > From my /etc/Xconfig :

/etc ???

: >     Logitech        "/dev/mouse"
: >     SampleRate      150

: > All that seems to happen is that the mouse pointer occasionally moves with
: > the mouse, but more often than not pops up the odd menu (when I don't press
: > any buttons !) or moves fairly randomly.  Seems like a protocol error to me,
: > but I sure can't find it!!!

You didn't mention which driver you use with the mouse. Newer Logitech mice
run fine with the "Microsoft" driver. 

-- 
Harald Milz                             office: hm@ix.de
iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      home:   hm@seneca.ix.de
Opinions are mine, not my employer's -- the answer is Forty-two


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Crossposted-To: bc.unix
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Linux and COBOL
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:32:28 GMT

In article <mje.771018104@mje99>, mje@posix.co.za (Mark J Elkins) says:
+---------------
| In <1994Jun6.115203.9656@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
| >The (obsolete) RM/COBOL-85 package works under iBCS emulation.
| 
| I heard that too.
+------------->8

Heard it, heck.  I *ran* it.

| Isn't there a Cobol ==> C converter out there?
+------------->8

Not so far as I know; if there is, I pity the author :-)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: orc@pell.com (Orc)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 06:50:22 GMT

In article <2ta8jr$ii9@nkosi.well.com>,
Patrick J. Volkerding <gonzo@magnet.mednet.net> wrote:
>In article <2t9jo2$gek@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
>Peter da Silva <peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:

>>What if you have more than one terminal?
>
>Then you can use $HOME/.dir_colors to override the file in /etc.

  Doesn't do much good if you've got more than one terminal, though
-- the system I administer has got a Xterm and a ancient HP
Integral PC attached to it, and I (and my users) log into any of
these terminals, as well as the console and the modem lines, pretty
much at random.

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ orc@pell.com
                 \/

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