Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #246
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Date:     Sat, 11 Jun 94 00:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #246, Volume #2                Sat, 11 Jun 94 00:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (Paul)
  Re: Need Help Compiling "Term" (Renan Llanes)
  Diamond Stealth Cards and Linux? (Scott Hayward)
  What ISDN card should I buy? (Stephen Balbach)
  Re: Yggdrasil xinit always times out (Paul Tomblin)
  Linux on power PC? (Glenn Rowe)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Colin Macleod)
  Re: Help for Conner 250 and FTAPE? (Ken Corey)
  SCSI controller for OS/2, DOS, Linux, possibly even NT? (Colin Dunn)
  Re: Mouse under X ... (David W. Berry)
  Re: Which sound card + cdrom to get ? (Todd R. Fiala)
  Re: future of Unixware (Leslie Mikesell)
  SCCS and/or lockf() (David R VanWagner)
  Re: future of Unixware (Jim Balson)
  Re: Mouse under X ... (Steve Horsley)
  Gateway Double Speed CD-ROM (Jong W. Lee)
  getty/agetty (Matt Cable)
  Re: GL/3-D libaries for Linux (Philip Brown)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Mark Newton)
  Re: LSM: Current Template w/explanations  (Scott Mattes)
  Re: Will Linux work on a system with ESDI drives? (Holger Duerer)
  Re: experience with double? (Reinhard Schiedermeier)

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From: paul@myrddin.isl.cf.ac.uk (Paul)
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 15:51:50 +0000

In article <2t7t83$2b2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
lilo [Dances With Geeks] <lilo@slip-5-16.ots.utexas.edu> wrote:
>On 5 Jun 1994 06:56:31 GMT, Patrick Chase (patrick@sdd.hp.com) wrote:
>
>> I fail to see how Novell can possibly distribute an operating system based
>> on Linux. They'd have to offer any directly modified portions (such as the 
>> kernel...) for free, and with source. I suppose they could put the modified 
>> Linux components on an anonymous ftp site, available per the GNU license, and 
>> then sell a CD-ROM version with additional programs/utilities of their own 
>> creation (or licensed stuff like Looking Glass). 
>
>I guess you didn't realize that the GNU license allows one to sell one's
>program for any price desired, as long as source is made available and a
>license to redistribute (including source) is granted.

Umm, not true because Novell's code would be a derived work and
not something wholly developed by themselves. The relevant part of the GPL
states: 2b)

    b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
    whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
    part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
    parties under the terms of this License.

Makes sense, otherwise any company could grab Linux and start selling it
for large sums of money. You can't actually do that, you can only charge
for the distribution and support of GPL'd software.

-- 
  Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member.
  Intelligent Systems Laboratory, ELSYM ,University of Wales, College Cardiff
  Internet: paul@isl.cf.ac.uk,  JANET(UK): RICHARDSDP@UK.AC.CARDIFF

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From: llanesr@solix.fiu.edu (Renan Llanes)
Subject: Re: Need Help Compiling "Term"
Date: 9 Jun 1994 03:38:44 GMT

Alan Rovner (alanr@lacamas.pen.tek.com) wrote:
: Hello, I'm trying to build term for a Sun Sparc and am a little confused
: about the results so far.  I typed in 'make DO=install sun' and here's
: what came out:

: =======================

: [lacamas:term115 {116}] !102
: make DO=install sun
: make AR="ar rc" RANLIB=ranlib install
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  main.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  serial.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  misc.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  link.c
: link.c: In function `ret_fail':
: link.c:212: warning: passing arg 3 of `add_ret_buff_str' makes pointer from integer without a cast
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  pty.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  compress.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  checksum.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  meta.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  statistics.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  sevenbit.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  spipe.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  lib.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  client.c
: gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  terminal.c
: terminal.c:87: `N_TTY' undeclared, outside of functions
: terminal.c:88: warning: excess elements in aggregate initializer after `newterm.c_cc'
: *** Error code 1
: make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `terminal.o'
: Current working directory /home/lacamas/alanr/ps/term115
: *** Error code 1
: make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sun'
: [lacamas:term115 {117}] 

: =================================

: The killer here is N_TTY being undefined.  I've looked thru lots of include
: files and can't find it anywhere.  Can someone point me in the right
: direction please?

: Thanks as usual for the help,
: Al Rovner
: alanr@lacamas.pen.tek.com

I have the same exact problem as you, on a SPARC 690-MP.  Same exact
output.  I hear that they are up to 1.17 now.  I will look for that
and see if it works.

--
========================================================================
Renan Llanes             | "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to |
Florida International U. |  reality, they are not certain, and as far  |
llanesr@fiu.edu          |  as they are certain, they do not refer to  |
58958730q@servax.fiu.edu |  reality."                                  |
and others...            |                    Albert Einstein          |
========================================================================











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From: shayward@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Hayward)
Subject: Diamond Stealth Cards and Linux?
Date: 9 Jun 94 03:37:44 GMT

I'm considering buying a Diamond Stealth video card, but I want to know if
there are any drivers for it to run with Linux. Is there anyone out there
running Linux with this card?

Thanks,

Scott.

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From: stephen@clark.net (Stephen Balbach)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: What ISDN card should I buy?
Date: 10 Jun 1994 14:50:58 -0400


Will be useing Linux and ISDN - given that price is not a major issue 
as opposed to reliability, what ISDN card is best for Linux?  Thanks in 
advance for any help,

Stephen Balbach
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Stephen Balbach          Clark Internet Services            stephen@clark.net
(410) 995-0691 [v]                                         FAX (410) 730-9765
Support free software       all-info@clark.net          Internet for the 90's

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From: ptomblin@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil xinit always times out
Date: 8 Jun 1994 23:22:51 -0400
Reply-To: ptomblin@gandalf.ca

bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan) writes:
>Paul Tomblin (pt@gandalf.ca) wrote:

>: Thanks to adam@yggdrasil.com for suggesting the solution: rm -rf
>: /tmp/.X11-unix cleared up the problem.

>: I'm finishing the installation now.

>  That's nice to know, but I would be even more interested to know exactly
>*what* the problem was and exactly *why* 'rm -rf /tmp/.X11-unix' fixed it.

Not sure - but it seemed to be related to the fact that I tried logging in as
"demo" to run the X11 demo before I logged in as root.

I just reinstalled (because I filled the hard disk installing optional stuff,
and wanted to start clean), and this time everything worked - but I made sure
that I did xinit as root before I tried logging in as "demo".


-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automation Design Group.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.
"Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux"

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From: growe@mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Glenn Rowe)
Subject: Linux on power PC?
Date: 4 Jun 1994 20:42:03 GMT

I was considering getting a Power PC based machine (either the
Power Mac or a forthcoming Power PC machine from IBM) and was
wondering if there is a version of Linux that would run on such a
machine. [I spend my days playing on a Sun Sparcstation, so I am
relatively ignorant of the IBM/Mac market....]

--
#____________________________________________________________#
# Glenn ROWE                  # Tel: (0382) 344484           #
# Dept. of Mathematics &      # Fax: (0382) 201604           #
#   Computer Science          #                              #
# University of Dundee        #                              #
# Dundee DD1 4HN.             #                              #
# SCOTLAND.                   # email: growe@mcs.dund.ac.uk  # 
#------------------------------------------------------------#

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From: cmacleod@mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Colin Macleod)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 6 Jun 1994 13:52:51 GMT

Ulf Bartelt (stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de) wrote:

` pce60:~/io$ ftp ftp.wordperfect.com
` Connected to ftp.wordperfect.com.
` 220 ftp Novell NetWare 386 FTP Server (V1.38), Copyright (C) 1992,93 MurkWorks Inc., ready
` Name (ftp.wordperfect.com:stub): ftp
` Password (ftp.wordperfect.com:ftp): <my address>
` 531 Access Denied by supervisor
` Login failed.
` ftp> 

It accepts login as "anonymous" but not "ftp".  It's also rather flakey.
I grabbed the sparc demo a few days ago, but it took about 10 attempts,
the connection kept dying after only part of the file had been transferred.
We don't have that problem accessing other ftp servers.

______________________________________________________________________________
Colin Macleod, Technical Officer,                      Phone: 0382-23181 x4839
Dundee University Maths & Computer Science Dept.
23 Perth Road, Dundee DD1 4HN, Scotland.     E-Mail: cmacleod@mcs.dundee.ac.uk

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From: exukenc@exu.ericsson.com (Ken Corey)
Subject: Re: Help for Conner 250 and FTAPE?
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 12:32:37 GMT

Ethan Henry (aj185@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
: In a previous article, rexx@netcom.com (Rick Narron) says:
: >Ken Corey (exukenc@exu.ericsson.com) wrote:
: >: Then, once I figured it was working, I tried to do a full backup of my linux
: >: file system.  It started writing, but about 85% of the way through bombed
: >: because of a I/O Error.
: >One more thing to try is to clean the tape drive recording/playback head with a
: >Q-tip and some 90% Isopropyl Alchohol (head cleaning solution for ordinary
: >cassette tape recorders).
: 
: 85% Hm. Better than me though... mine gets an I/O error every time.
: Even when doing 'mt -f /dev/ftape fst 0' or whatever the test is.

The 85% figure was from before I formatted the tape.  Now that it's formatted, 
I get an I/O error every time too. The funny thing is that it still works
fine under DOS, so I know the tape is working.

I figure that I'll simply have to go into the ftape code, get it to print out
what it thinks the right values should be, and patch the code.

If I am successful, I'll be passing along my findings to the author.

--
Ken Corey   exukenc@exu.ericsson.com  214/907-5841  Speaking for everyone...
 "I shot an arrow into the air, and it stuck."
                -- Graffito in Los Angeles

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Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.os.os2.setup
From: dunnc@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Colin Dunn)
Subject: SCSI controller for OS/2, DOS, Linux, possibly even NT?
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 15:43:40 GMT

I am looking for a SCSI controller (ISA or VLB) that will work under
OS/2, DOS, Linux, and Windows NT. The controller I need to find must
be able to work under all four operating systems, without having to use
beta-level or buggy released device drivers.

I thought the Adaptec 1522 would satisfy these requirements, but the OS/2
service pack and 2.99 beta have device drivers that do not work with
my Adaptec 1522 (based on AIC-6360).

I would prefer to stay away from the Adaptec 1540/42 because of the ISA
bus's inability to do bus-master data transfers above the 16MB line (my
system has 20MB RAM).

Is anyone out there using a SCSI controller that works in all four of
these environments?







Colin Dunn
dunnc@ucsu.colorado.edu


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From: dwb@netcom.com (David W. Berry)
Subject: Re: Mouse under X ...
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 06:56:50 GMT

In article <Cr59sK.Bn6@dcs.ed.ac.uk> nrh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nicholas Hall) writes:
>       Logitech        "/dev/mouse"
  If this isn't in the FAQ it certainly should be.  With your
modern logitech mouse you use Microsoft, not Logitech.
-- 

David W. Berry          dwb@netcom.com                  Greenwing Enterprises

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From: T_Fiala%CAASD1@mwmgate1.mitre.org (Todd R. Fiala)
Subject: Re: Which sound card + cdrom to get ?
Date: 10 Jun 1994 18:42:43 GMT

In article <1994Jun8.173013.4902@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) wrote:

< questions about CD-ROMs deleted >

> How does GUS compare to SounBlaster ?
> 
> Serge

I can't tell you much about the CD-ROM interfaces on either of these cards,
but I own both a GUS and a  Soundblaster Pro 16 ASP.  The GUS was cheaper,
and uses much less CPU for playing MODs.  All the sound wave-forms are
stored in files and loaded when needed (under dos) - I have only used it
for MOD files under linux so I don't know what it would do for midi files. 
I may have had a bad SB card, but I haven't been impressed with the sound
quality - there seems to be some buzzing generated along with any sound it
tries to output.  On the plus side, it doesn't need to load up any wave
files from disk - but that's because the only way to get wave synthesis is
by buying the $250 Waveblaster extension (that price may not be accurate
anymore - that's what it cost last summer).

Hope that helps

-trf
-- ----------------------------------
Todd R. Fiala
tfiala@mitre.org
Opinions expressed are mine, not MITRE's.

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 8 Jun 1994 23:13:19 -0500

In article <rick.771073998@digibd>,
Rick Richardson <rick@digibd.digibd.com> wrote:

>Also, I believe that if the Linux numbers being bandied about were
>actually real installations for commercial purposes, then the multiport
>serial vendors would be getting beat up for not having Linux drivers.

I think you have this exactly backwards.  The reason people aren't
using Linux in commercial installations is because the intelligent 
multiport cards aren't supported and it costs more to use a
terminal server than it does to buy SysVr4 and use the eisa digiboard
CX.  I considered the alternatives recently and ended up with
several of those.  I'm sure others are looking at the same price
sheets.  It didn't occur to me to call you up about it.  You either
have a driver or you don't.  Everybody needs some dial in/out
connections for accessing mail, perhaps some uucp connections among
remote offices, fax handling, a few wire services feeding data
in, lots of printers, etc., none of which needs anything specific
to r4 except the ability to drive a bunch of serial ports. 

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: davevw@cats.ucsc.edu (David R VanWagner)
Subject: SCCS and/or lockf()
Date: 10 Jun 1994 07:39:59 GMT


Is there a GNU or publically available SCCS? (No, I don't want RCS)

Is there a lockf() available for Linux (I know it's not POSIX!)

REASON:  I want to port some code to Linux whose Makefile's REQUIRE SCCS,
         and it uses C-Tree from Faircom which requires lockf().

Linux is often POSIX/SYSV/BSD all rolled together so there must be a lockf()
replacement (that calls fcntl) out there somewhere?

Dave Van Wagner
davevw@cats.ucsc.edu

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From: balson@world.std.com (Jim Balson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 9 Jun 94 18:00:06 GMT
Reply-To: balson@world.std.com (Jim Balson)


>> 
>> It would be great if the SDK included Motif.  What makes anyone think it
>> does?  What vendor offers an SDK that includes Motif?  Better add another
>> $150 or so to the UW price!  Or say you don't need Motif and subtract
>> the same from the Linux cost!  Or show that UW's SDK includes.....
>
>       It does. Why don't you call Novell or IF and find out!!!
>       a COMPLETE UW system can be had for under $400.00 which
>       includes Motif... Last I looked the OS was $166.00 from IF
>       and the SDK was around $200.00 and that includes TCP/IP and
>       Motif...


        No, the UNixware SDK from Information Foundation is $89.00. From Novell
it is $99.00. It does include the Motif SDK. 



Jim 
balson@world.std.com




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From: steve@rigel.demon.co.uk (Steve Horsley)
Subject: Re: Mouse under X ...
Reply-To: steve@rigel.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 07:26:12 +0000

After this comes the pointer-device configuration section.
This begins with the name of the mouse protocol to be used (note
"protocol", not "manufacturer" - the Logitech MouseMan uses the
MouseMan keyword, not the Logitech keyword, recent Logitech serial mice 
use MicroSoft).  Some other mouse parameters can be adjusted here.  If you
are using a two-button mouse, uncomment the Emulate3Buttons keyword - in
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Above was from /var/X11/lib/X11/etc/README.Config
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-- 
  Steve Horsley                                    steve@rigel.demon.co.uk

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Subject: Gateway Double Speed CD-ROM
From: lee44@husc7.harvard.edu (Jong W. Lee)
Date: 8 Jun 1994 17:12:22 GMT

Hello folks.  I'm about to purchase a Gateway system, with their
internal CD-ROM, since they don't offer any SCSI solutions.  Has
anyone had problems with Linux and the Gateway CD-ROM drive?

Thanks,
-Jong

-- 
-Jong W. Lee (lee44@husc.harvard.edu)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: mcable@porthos.tcs.tufts.edu (Matt Cable)
Subject: getty/agetty
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 02:38:20 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.help ]
[ Author was Matt Cable ]
[ Posted on Sat, 11 Jun 1994 02:33:56 GMT ]

I'm trying to hook up a friends pc to my gateway 2000 running Linux 1.08 
(slackware 1.20).  I've managed to get the login prompt to come up, by 
manually invoking agetty 38400 cua1 (and cua0), but he cannot write back...
Even then, when I stick it in /etc/inittab, it doesn't even do that.

Any one want to lead me through the problem, or point me towards some 
sources?

Thanks!

--
-matt

 Matthew E. Cable // mcable@musketeers.tufts.edu // wozz@wozz.tcs.tufts.edu

--
-matt

 Matthew E. Cable // mcable@musketeers.tufts.edu // wozz@wozz.tcs.tufts.edu

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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: GL/3-D libaries for Linux
Date: 10 Jun 1994 07:57:33 GMT

Reuben Regucera (reubenr@netcom.com) wrote:
: travis jensen (jensen@peruvian.cs.utah.edu) wrote:
: : I am looking for a 3D library for Linux.  Is there a GL
: : libarary for OpenWindows?



: try ftp.uu.net:/graphics/vogle



Would that be a separate library, a GL clone, or what?


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From: newton@cleese.apana.org.au (Mark Newton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: 10 Jun 1994 20:32:23 +0930

In article <1994Jun7.181553.27405@uk.ac.swan.pyr>, Alan Cox (iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr) wrote:
 > In article <2t0rno$c8p@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva) writes:
 > >I'm running System V on a 386/16 in 4MB and a 70 MB hard disk and getting a
 > >News feed.
 > 
 > And there are weirdos doing large newsfeeds on 1Mb 286's runnign
 > coherent and even using Minix on XT's. 

I used to run a 7Mb per day newsfeed for fifteen downstream UUCP sites on
my Amiga 500 (7.14MHz 68000, 4.5Mb RAM,  52Mb SCSI hard disk) running MINIX.

The single-threaded filesystem thrashed it like buggery -- News batching
would slow uucico sessions unbearably, because only one process could 
do filesystem I/O at a time (and tty I/O counts as filesystem I/O).

'twas slightly slower than my current FreeBSD setup, anyway :-)

    - mark
-- 
====================================================================
I tried an internal modem,                newton@cleese.apana.org.au
     but it hurt when I walked.                          Mark Newton
===== Voice: +61=8=3735575 =============== Data: +61=8=3736006 =====

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From: Scott Mattes <anti-ad@navsealog.i-net.com>
Subject: Re: LSM: Current Template w/explanations 
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 03:05:17 GMT



What is the WWW address for the LSM? I wrote it down from the message a 
recently saw and tried it and it didn't work. The address I wrote down was 
"//siva.cshl.org/Lsm/lsm.html" and I even tried it with the "htmp:" prefix. The 
first form gives an FTP error and the second form gives a file/directory does 
not exist msg.

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From: holly@random.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de (Holger Duerer)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Will Linux work on a system with ESDI drives?
Date: 09 Jun 1994 09:31:29 GMT

Hi,

it is quite some time ago, but I once had an old Siemens computer
(25MHz 386) w/ an ESDI-drive (500MB or so) at work.

That was way back when and I only tried the boot disk of linux and
checked w/ fdisk, if it would detect my drive.  It did!  But that was
kernel 0.12 or so.  I am not sure if it would still do that today.

Holger

--
=============================================================================
Holger D"urer                          <Holger.Duerer@PC-Labor.Uni-Bremen.DE>
         <http://wowbagger.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de/Duerer/Holger.html>

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From: Reinhard.Schiedermeier@deejai.mch.sni.de (Reinhard Schiedermeier)
Subject: Re: experience with double?
Date: 9 Jun 1994 08:39:46 GMT

Samson H. Lee (shl0@wm406f.CC.Lehigh.EDU) wrote:
: I'm thinking about applying the double-0.2b patch and was wondering
: what sort of experiences others have had with it.  Is it reasonably
: reliable?  Is there much degradation in performance?  Any other thots?

: Thanks for your input.
: Sam.
: -----
: shl0@lehigh.edu
I installed double a couple of days ago and played around with it.
Installation and operation worked as described in the doc files.
Speed is no problem, I didn't notice any substantial degradation.
Compression is not that good, around 1.45 with large text files.
Worse with executables.
I know there are alternate compression algorithms in double,
but I haven't tried them.
However, double is alpha, and I didn't feel too comfortable with
my files on a double fs.
So for the moment I'll stick with a standard fs and my less
frequently used files gzipped.

--Schiedi

ps: I run a 1.1.0 kernel, Slackware 1.2.0, double 0.2.

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