Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #244
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Date:     Fri, 10 Jun 94 14:13:22 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #244, Volume #2                Fri, 10 Jun 94 14:13:22 EDT

Contents:
  Re: passing messages between dosemu/Linux (J. Lawrence Stephan)
  Which sound card + cdrom to get ? (Dragon Fly)
  Re: International Linux Association (ILA) - New (David Gadbois)
  Which LINUX is best for my laptop??? (x93oh1@wmich.edu)
  Re: future of Unixware (Paul JY Lahaie)
  Re: PCI Motherboards (Drew Eckhardt)
  Re: Mouse under X ... (HUTCHINSON jonathan)
  Re: future of Unixware (Wayne Schlitt)
  How do you print with DOC (from iv)? (Robert  Blair)
  Re: Wabi and Wine? (Dave Gardner)
  Re: GL/3-D libaries for Linux (Reuben Regucera)

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From: jlarry@marlin.ssnet.com (J. Lawrence Stephan)
Subject: Re: passing messages between dosemu/Linux
Date: 8 Jun 1994 20:49:33 -0400

Mooface (wohlt@eniac.seas.upenn.edu) wrote:

: Is there an easy way to talk to a program running under dosemu (a
: very nice speech synthesizer, i wrote) from a Linux process?  

: I considered using a file in /tmp, but the hardrive would be
: constantly reading/writing.

Not really - unless you are reading/writing a lot, most reads and writes
will go to cache.  There may be other problems, though, I'm not sure.
(Of course, you'd have to be using LREDIR or emufs to make it work.)

: Can both doesemu and linux share an ethernet card at the same time?

To an extent.  There are IPX and packet drivers for dosemu that
use the same ethernet card.  Unfortunately, I know nothing else about
them.

Somebody set up a scheme for using dosemu to read a compressed dos partition
(I don't remember what kind) and reflect it back to Linux via some kind of
"network" connection.  As I recall, it was slow but functional.  So your
ideas are not too far out.

Larry Stephan
jlarry@ssnet.com


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From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Which sound card + cdrom to get ?
Date: 8 Jun 94 17:30:12 -0400

Hi!
I'm looking around for buying a sound card + cdrom drive
supported by linux. I know SoundBlaster, and perhaps
GUS are supported. What confuses me is the abundance
of SoundBlasters: some with MCA, some with ASP, some
even SCSI+ASP. What does all that mean ?
I read somewhere SoundBlaster SCSI ASP is good card ($199).
Does SCSI means it handles SCSI HD drives and/or SCSI CDROMs ?
I have already UltraStor-34 SCSI-2 controller. Does it make
sense to get SCSI sound card ?
How does GUS compare to SounBlaster ?

Serge

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From: gadbois@cs.utexas.edu (David Gadbois)
Subject: Re: International Linux Association (ILA) - New
Date: 8 Jun 1994 18:35:38 -0500

In article <Cr2H56.B4B@rahul.net>, Charles Liu <alte@rahul.net> wrote:
>
>INTERNATIONAL LINUX ASSOCIATION (ILA)          June 8th, 1994
>
>
>I have registered and formed, on June 6th, 1994, the International Linux 
>Association (tm) abbreviated "ILA" (tm) in Santa Clara County, California.

The guys at International Lisp Associates (ILA (tm)) are not going to
be too happy about this.

--David Gadbois

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From: x93oh1@wmich.edu
Subject: Which LINUX is best for my laptop???
Date: 8 Jun 94 20:51:02 EDT

Hi to all.  I would like to know that which Linux is best for my computer.

I have  Austin 486sx 25mhz laptop with dual scan color, 4mb memory, 127 hdd.

Where could I download the Linux? ( ftp sites? )
Thanks in advance. 

Seung Yup Oh



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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: Paul_Lahaie@achilles.net (Paul JY Lahaie)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 12:39:03 GMT

In article <2t94nn$5pm@mis.nu.edu> gblake@mis.nu.edu (Gregory Blake) writes:
>
>Docs are pretty sparse? The Network admin's manual is pretty good sized, and
>it's helped me with just about any problem I've had with it.  Support is
>expensive, but then again I'm with a university so we get that automaticly

   The docs we have basically say things like:

If you want a bidirectional port with SLIP and PPP do this.
If you want a ... with ... do this.
(etc...)

   If you want to do something that is not demonstrated, you are pretty much 
out of luck.  Not to mention that the erpcd program isn't exactly fully 
functional.  We tried getting it working under Linux, and UnixWare (with SCO 
and IUNIX bins) and it never really works fine.  It sometimes works though :-(

                                                                        - Paul

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From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: PCI Motherboards
Date: 9 Jun 1994 18:38:44 GMT

In article <Cr5039.GK9@newsflash.concordia.ca>,
Paul Quinn <p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA> wrote:
>
>I'm about to purchase a new MB.  How does Linux work with PCI?  

Fine.

>Are there any problems?

The NCR 53c8xx SCSI and Adaptec AIC7770/7870 SCSI chips are currently
unsupported.  Some purportedly backwards compatable PCI devices, 
like the Buslogic/Adaptec 1540 compatable 946 and some PCI IDE cards
are not compatable.

>Should I avoid PCI?  

No.

>Is it worth buying 72pin simms?

PCI, and the 72 pin SIMMs which usually come with it are probably worth
it.

1.  You can sell your old memory for about the same price per megabyte that
    72 pin SIMMs will cost if you find a decent supplier and still have 
    a clean conscience, about $15 more per megabyte than your new memory 
    will cost if you have older 9-chip SIMMs and/or will sucker some one.

2.  With 72 pin SIMMs, the Saturn/Mercury based boards (with 2 and 3 banks
    of two 72 pin SIMMs) will go to 128 and 192M of memory respectively,
    leaving plenty of room to grow.

3.  If you're looking at 486s, the Saturn based boards and the Tyan? 486/Pentium
    (NOT Pentium overdrive, it has both i486/Overdrive sockets and a 64 bit
    interface Pentium socket) boards all use a 64 bit main memory interface.

    This results in reasonable main memory bandwidth - with my i486,
    I've measured 40M/sec from main memory.

4.  PCI is buffered, meaning although your main memory bandwidth is only 
    40M/sec, copies to video memory and other devices can approach that 
    speed (35M/sec).  

5.  PCI systems are often high end, meaning they feature large
    caches, won't have problems if you stick more than 16M of 
    memory in them, and everything is fast.

6.  FAST PCI peripherials are getting quite cheap - the NCR SCSI boards
    are < $70 in quantity one if you don't have a chip on your main board,
    the #9 XGE Level 12 is no more expensive in PCI than ISA, etc.


A few other things you should be aware of : 

1.  There are some older Saturn based boards which have 
        problems with the write-back cache. I notice a 7-10% performance
        decrease doing compiles with the cache set up for write through
        instead of writeback, it's noticeable.

2. Most PCI main boards only have 4 ISA slots and a shared ISA/PCI
        slot, meaning you can fit AT MOST 5 ISA boards in your system.

        These slots are also the slots furthest from the keyboard
        connector, and therefore power supply/drives/etc. in a tall
        tower case.  Consequently, you may have cable length problems
        if you are using an ISA I/O board.

        For these reasons, you should consider boards like the ASUS which 
        give you IDE, SCSI, 2 16550 compatable UARTs, floppy, and parallel
        interfaces on board, with connectors in a sane location (closest
        to the drives, etc).

3.  There is at least one company which will convert 9 bit, 30 pin SIMms to 
        36 bit, 72 pin SIMMs for about $8 a megabyte.  In practice, you
        may be better off financially going with new SIMMs and selling 
        your old memory outright.  Also, you need 36 bits * 2 worth 
        of chips to get enough memory to fill a bank, and if you 
        didn't have eight SIMMs in your  old system, you'd end up 
        with two different 72 pin SIMMs when you bought or built a 
        new one.  This may not work due to differing electrical parameters, and 
        will not work if the size detection bits are jumpered differently
        (some 72 pin SIMMs don't jumper the size detection bits).

        
-- 
Drew Eckhardt drew@Colorado.EDU
1970 Landcruiser FJ40 w/350 Chevy power
1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago

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From: hutch@cs.concordia.ca (HUTCHINSON jonathan)
Subject: Re: Mouse under X ...
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 13:30:38 GMT

>nrh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nicholas Hall) writes:

>>Hi,
>>      I've just got Linux 1.0.8 installed (binary snapshot as of Monday this
>>week from sunsite) and am having problems with my Logitech Pilot 3 button 
>>serial mouse under X.  I used the Config-XF86 package to get my card/monitor
>>setup (BTW this is a very useful package - how about including it in a binary
>>release .... it made my monitor setup easier :) but I can't get my mouse to 
>>work.
>
>>From my /etc/Xconfig :
>
>>      Logitech        "/dev/mouse"
>>      BaudRate        1200
>>      SampleRate      150
>
>>All that seems to happen is that the mouse pointer occasionally moves with
>>the mouse, but more often than not pops up the odd menu (when I don't press
>>any buttons !) or moves fairly randomly.  Seems like a protocol error to me,
>>but I sure can't find it!!!
>
>>Any suggestions welcomed ......
>
>>Thanks,
>
>>Nick.
>
>Hi,
>
>well, your mouse is a microsoft compatible one. I got a Logitech Pilot myself.
>My entry in Xconfig reads: microsoft  "/dev/mouse". The lines with BaudRate and
>SampleRate are commented out.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marcus
>

Actually, I just solved that very problem last night. I too was unable to get 
my mouse to respond except for ocassional hickups when running X. The answer is
(drum roll please) that the 'Logitech' at the beginning of the line in your
configX file informs Linux that you are using a *PORT* mouse, not a serial
one. Don't let the fact that you are using a logitiech (like me ;^) ) fool you.

If you really want to be sure, use the selection program to test out different
configurations, but I *KNOW* that if you are using a logitech serial mouse, you
have to change the 'Logitech' at the beginning of the line to 'microsoft'

ie
  microsoft     "/dev/ttyS1"

(I use the /dev/ttyS1 only because I did not want to change it through the 
setup utility, or by relinking mouse to ttyS1)

For more info, you can man on Xconfig and it will explain.

BTW the baud rating is default 1200, so when you set it to 1200, you are not
causing any problems. I wouldn't know about the sample rate, but I left both of
these lines commented out and my mouse works just great

Good luck,
Jonathan Hutchinson,
hutch@cs.concordia.ca


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From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 01:10:41 GMT
Reply-To: wayne@cse.unl.edu

In article <2t516p$6vl@bird.summit.novell.com> pend@usl.com (Steve Pendergrast) writes:
> Wayne Schlitt (wayne@backbone.uucp) wrote:
> : Another CD company ran a special and got around 3,000 responses within
> : a couple of weeks. ...
> 
> Responses or sales?  Marketing theory says that for every 100 responses
> you get to an advertisement you might make 5 sales if you're lucky.

The special was "If you order by MM/DD/YY, you will get a free
tee-shirt and the CD for $xx".  The particular company that was
offering this special was a real turkey and barfed the deal, but it
gives you some idea of the response.  


> :  ... There is currently about 4 different companies
> : that you can get Linux on a CD from.
> 
> And I'd bet all 4 versions are different.  What does the number of
> companies have to do with it?  There's only one company making MS/Windows
> CD's so I guess there must be more Linux than MS/Windows...nice logic.

No, you missed the point.  You have to total the sales across all
sellers, not just the few that I mentioned.


> : Last winter the German magazine iX ran a survey and they estimated
> : that around 50,000 people ran Linux in Germany alone.
> 
> That's something like one out of every 350 adult Germans running Linux.  
> Sounds fishy to me,

Yeah, you are right.

>                   What kind of magazine is iX anyway?

From what I can tell it is kind of like a "Dr Dobbs", but more Unix
oriented. 

> : What are the numbers for SVR4?  Well, Sun probably sells the most with
> : Solaris on the Sparc.  Lets say 200,000 per year for the last 2 years.
> : (We will ignore all those people who have "upgraded" from Solaris to
> : SunOS 4.0.x, and those that have replaced previous boxes...).  Add in
> : UnixWares, and all the other little SVR4 companies, and you probably
> : get 500,000 to a million.
> 
> I find it fascinating that you take into account "upgrades" in the case
> of SVR4,

No, I have no idea how many of those 200k sales were not running
Solaris, so I ignored that part of it.

>                                      Seems to me that an operating system
> that gets rev'ed once a month would have a very high percentage of
> "upgrades" too, no?  In fact, it could be that most of the Linux CD's
> are upgrades, couldn't it?

A certain number are, yes, but certainly not most.


Taking upgrades and migrations into account makes these counts very
hard.  I have also mentioned that even trying to define what a "user
of product xxx" is can be hard.  I run both SVR4 and Linux.  I have
DOS on my disk, but I haven't run it this year, but I did last year.
What OS's am I a user of?



> The actual number of active SVR4 installations (yes, it takes into
> account retired machines and upgrades) is at the high end of your
> estimate (according to IDC research), a little over 1 million.

That is much higher than the figures that I remember.  You may have
more recent numbers though...


> : This total probably is more than any other version of Unix, including
> : SCO Unix or SCO Xenix.  So, my claim that Linux might be the most used
> 
> Actually, SCO Unix is a mighty big fraction of the total unix market right
> now.  But SCO isn't SVR4 anyway so it's irrelavant to the current discussion.

It is my understanding that SCO has a huge fraction of the _intel_
unix market, but that they don't sell more copies than Sun sells
copies of Solaris.  


> : version of Unix is really about the same as my claim that there are
> : more Linux users than SVR4 users.
> 
> Well, I don't know about hackers or academia, but a recent IDC survey
> (that was conducted using a reasonably scientific methodology, by the
> way) found that only 3% of all corporations were running Linux in 1993,
> and there was virtually no future planned introduction 
> of Linux into others in 1994 (I think it was a percent or so).  By contrast,
> UnixWare was already in 5% of the corporate comp centers (even though
> that was only the first year of the product), and that was expected to double
> in 1994.  Solaris on SPARC was in something like 75% of the comp centers, 
> and that was expected to grow a few percent in 1994.  So, you're looking
> at something like 25 to 1 in favor of SVR4 over Linux in the corporation in
> 1993, with the balance actually widening in favor of SVR4 in 1994.


The nature of Linux is going to mean that MIS directors are not going
to promote or possibly even know about Linux in their offices.  No one
has said that most Linux users are even in business.  There _are_ a
significant number of businesses that have Linux, but I made no
distinction about who the "users of product xxx" are.

IDC does market surveys in only a limited area.  An area that IDC's
customers are interested in, but they don't claim to count everyone.

> : Ok, these numbers are only ball park figures, and even then they are
> : probably too close to call.
> 
> NOT!  All you can claim is that there might be a few hundred thousand
> people who might be playing with Linux, but no hard figures 
                      ^^^^^^^
> are available.  Figures are available
> for corporate users (the ones who pay money for products), and in that
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> arena it's a slam dunk for SVR4 and apparently will continue to be so.


Umm, I guess you are saying that all those Linux people are out there
stealing hardware and doing it just for kicks?

Many Linux folks _do_ seem to be quite interested in buying hardware
_and_ software.  They wrote a DOS emulator so that they could run
things like Quicken.  The development of the iBCS2 support is so that
they can run commercial software.  

Yes, the folks that run Linux probably are very different from the
folks that run SCO.  If you want to sell to them, you will probably
have to market different products and handle them differently.  I hope
your attituded expressed here is not your normal additude.



-wayne


-- 
The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of
enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is
that he wants to believe.    -Voltaire

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.interviews
From: reb@sgi3.hep.anl.gov (Robert  Blair)
Subject: How do you print with DOC (from iv)?
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 13:45:10 GMT

I know this has been asked before (and maybe even in a more appropriate place),
but I didn't save the answer.  With the interviews "doc" application, how do
you print?  Simply pulling down the "file" menu and clicking on print
does nothing.  With the "idraw" application, it pops up a dialogue box and
asks for the print command, but not so with "doc".  I looked for a FAQ, but
couldn't find one.  This looks like an almost usable WYSIWIG with color, but
if I can't print it is very "limited" ;-\ .

                                 Thanks in advance,

 *C~o~()* 
Cc{*(o~*Q&                                          Bob Blair
(  ((     )
|~      ~ |                                Argonne National Lab.
|O      - |                                Room E277, Bldg. 362
\   "     /                                High Energy Physics Div.
 \ ****  /                                 9700 S. Cass Ave.
  **^u^**                                  Argonne,   IL 60439
   *****                                   Phone (708)-252-7545
    ***                                    Fax (708)-252-5782
                                           email: reb@hep.anl.gov
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 *C~o~()* 
Cc{*(o~*Q&                                          Bob Blair
(  ((     )
|~      ~ |                                Argonne National Lab.
|O      - |                                Room E277, Bldg. 362
\   "     /                                High Energy Physics Div.
 \ ****  /                                 9700 S. Cass Ave.
  **^u^**                                  Argonne,   IL 60439
   *****                                   Phone (708)-252-7545
    ***                                    Fax (708)-252-5782
                                           email: reb@hep.anl.gov
                                           fnald::rebcdf

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From: dgardner@netcom.com (Dave Gardner)
Subject: Re: Wabi and Wine?
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:00:01 GMT

pb@hursley.ibm.com wrote:
: At work I currently run AIX on my RS6000, and can use
: WABI to run Windows apps under X. I saw a mention of
: a program called Wine (?). I'm interested in installing
: Linux at home and was wondering whether this would be
: a sort of Wabi equivalent package.

Wine is being designed to allow you to load MS Windows programs in a Unix 
filesystem, and run them in an X window.  I've personally never run WABI 
so I do not know if it is designed to work the same, but they do sound 
similar.  Wine is still a long way off from being finished, though.

For the latest official information about Wine, please see the FAQ which is 
posted on the following newsgroups every month:

        comp.answers
        comp.emulators.announce
        comp.os.386bsd.announce
        comp.os.linux.announce
        comp.windows.x.i386unix
        news.answers

It is also available by anonymous ftp from:

        tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/ALPHA/Wine/Wine.FAQ
        aris.com:/pub/linux/ALPHA/Wine/Wine.FAQ
        ftp.netcom.com:/pub/dgardner/Wine.FAQ


Dave


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From: reubenr@netcom.com (Reuben Regucera)
Subject: Re: GL/3-D libaries for Linux
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:00:09 GMT

Philip Brown (philb@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:
: Reuben Regucera (reubenr@netcom.com) wrote:
: : travis jensen (jensen@peruvian.cs.utah.edu) wrote:
: : : I am looking for a 3D library for Linux.  Is there a GL
: : : libarary for OpenWindows?
: : try ftp.uu.net:/graphics/vogle
: Would that be a separate library, a GL clone, or what?

from : //gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au/contrib

        vogl    ->      GL clone
        vogle   ->      separate library

next question please..... 8)
 
 
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