Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #239
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Thu, 9 Jun 94 20:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #239, Volume #2                 Thu, 9 Jun 94 20:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Yggdrasil and PAS16 SCSI/CDROM: Any successes? (Jerry Cullingford)
  Linux on my Contenda! (Brad Cain)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Warner Losh)
  mount CD-ROM ? (david her)
  Re: NFS ? AFS ? (George W. (Bill Pogue))
  Re: One Stop Information (Darrel Hankerson)
  Cobol for Linux (Mackenzie StLouis)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Greg Harewood)
  Just Computers! Shipments (Randy Just)
  (wanted) Cheap video capture board for Linux/X PC (Greg Alt)
  Re: future of Unixware (Evan Leibovitch)
  Re: NFS ? AFS ? (Sarr J. Blumson)
  Re: Will Linux work on a system with ESDI drives? (Cyrill Vatomsky)
  Re: CSLIP sl0 Performance (mongo)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (lilo [Dances With Geeks])
  Re: International Linux Association (ILA) - New (Matt Welsh)
  Re: One Stop Information (Matt Welsh)
  Commercial Soft...for Linux (Arc Wave)
  Mouse under X ... (Nicholas Hall)

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From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil and PAS16 SCSI/CDROM: Any successes?
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:40:17 GMT

I had it working with a winstorm multimedia card (SVGA+PAS-16 on the same
card) and an NEC CDR-55 CDROM, with the fall 93 CD and the revB boot floppy.
The summer 94 version also recognises the controller, though I've moved the
CD to an adaptec controller now. I haven't had both the sound and the SCSI
working at the same time however, and I had problems using an ancient
Seagate SCSI HD at the same time - it locked the system up after polling
the SCSI devices. In the end, I wound up having to reformat the HD on the
adaptec, so that may have been part of the problem.


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From: brad@bach.udel.edu (Brad Cain)
Subject: Linux on my Contenda!
Date: 9 Jun 1994 15:09:34 -0400

I have Linux 1.0 (slackware dist) running on my Zeos Contenda 486
with running X, and using the built in trackball.  If anyone has
any questions about installation, etc, e-mail me.

brad


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From: imp@boulder.parcplace.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:07:22 GMT

In article <1994Jun06.124908.10161@taylor.infi.net> mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>Why did you tell it your name was "ftp"?  Common practice for anonymous
>ftp is to use "anonymous"...

Traditionally on unix boxes you can use ftp as the username.  Only a
few VMS servers and an IBM VM system tend to really want anonymous.

Warner
-- 
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"... but I can't promote you to "Prima Donna" unless you demonstrate a few
 more serious personality disorders"

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From: davidher@netcom.com (david her)
Subject: mount CD-ROM ?
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 05:34:35 GMT

I installed slackware 1.1.0 and it recongized SoundBlaster CDROM, also 
found a device /etc/cdrom. The problem is how to mount cdrom ?
Plase help, thanks in advance.


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From: gwp@dithots.org (George W. (Bill) Pogue)
Subject: Re: NFS ? AFS ?
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:28:25 GMT

Linux has NFS and can be easily setup. I'm using it with Wollongong Pathway NFS
and everything works fine. Been so for about a month. I mount and then use 
several different editors. Windows hasn't had any probs either.

cool.

bill

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From: hankedr@mail.auburn.edu (Darrel Hankerson)
Subject: Re: One Stop Information
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 18:16:24 GMT

In article <1994Jun9.165713.20746@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:

   I'd like to point out that all of the material (save the Yggdrasil Manual)
   in the Linux Bible is freely available from the Linux Documentation Project

Matt Welsh and the others have done a fine job. I like the bound
version so that I have all the documents in printed form. I like to
save a tree when I can, but if one is planning to print very many
pages, it will be much better to just get the entire bound version (it
is on recycled paper).

In addition, purchase of professionally-bound versions of the GNU Emacs
or C-Kermit manuals are so much nicer than all those laser-printed pages,
and help suppport the respective projects. Even the LDP gets a tiny amount
of support from Yggdrasil:

        Yggdrasil also expanded its product line with OSF/Motif for
        Linux and an eight hundred page book entitled "The Linux Bible"
        that includes the collected works of the Linux Documentation
        Project, which is not part of Yggdrasil, but which will
        receive a donation of one dollar per copy, plus a second
        dollar on direct sales.

--
--Darrel Hankerson hankedr@mail.auburn.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: mstlouis@world.std.com (Mackenzie StLouis)
Subject: Cobol for Linux
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 20:56:52 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get a Cobol compiler for Linux.




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From: gjh@ukc.ac.uk (Greg Harewood)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 94 14:45:48 GMT
Reply-To: gjh@ukc.ac.uk (Greg Harewood)

In article <2t730e$s59@berlioz.crs4.it>,
Miguel Alvarez Blanco <miguel@lucy.crs4.it> wrote:
>In article <2t71iv$p4k@virgo.cc.gatech.edu> byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
>>In article <CquCMK.7KB@news.cis.umn.edu>,
>>Shawn T. Amundson <sta@whale.micro.umn.edu> wrote:
>>>: Well X does it (for serial rodents). Can't we do it too?
>>>But X doesn't work _WITH_ selection, which I suggest this program should.
>>
>>Now that's a problem of a different color. How's it possible to implement
>>mouse support in an application that's running in an xterm. It has no
>>direct connection to the X server. I guess an Xterm would have to be considered
>>non console access. Bummer.
>
>  But surely xterm knows about the mouse. That's how cut&paste works. I
>suppose it's through the X server, but shouldn't be the same problem as
>with selection? You have a program controlling the mouse (selection/xterm)
>and make LWPS know about how this program does it. Surely this would require
>modifying xterm?

Already done...

The following program I just wrote works with xterm on the Sun here. It
appears mouse tracking doesn't work, at least in this form, in xvt.

Greg
===========
#include <stdio.h>

void            moveto(row, col) {
        printf("\033[%d;%dH", row, col);
}

readmouse(int *row, int *col, int *butt)
{
        int             ch;
        *butt = getchar();      /* Bit encoded - forget it for this example */
        *col = getchar() - 32;
        *row = getchar() - 32;
}

main()
{
        int             row, col, butt, ch;

        system("stty raw -echo");
        printf("\033[1;1h\033[2J");     /* Clear screen, go to 0,0 */
        printf("\033[?1000h");  /* Mouse tracking on */

        for (;;) {
                ch = getchar();
                if (ch == 3)
                        break;  /* Finish on control C */
                if (ch == 27) {
                        if (getchar() == '[') {
                                if (getchar() == 'M') { /* Mouse command... */
                                        readmouse(&row, &col, &butt);
                                        moveto(row, col);
                                }
                        }
                } else {
                        if (ch >= ' ') {
                                putchar(ch);
                                col++;
                        }
                }
        }
        printf("\033[?1000l");  /* Mouse tracking off */
        system("stty -raw echo");
        exit(0);
}

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From: rjust@crl.com (Randy Just)
Subject: Just Computers! Shipments
Date: 9 Jun 1994 07:50:57 -0700

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From: galt@asylum.cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video
Subject: (wanted) Cheap video capture board for Linux/X PC
Date: 9 Jun 1994 08:36:59 GMT

I guess the first question is are there any video capture boards that are supported
under Linux and X windows?  

If there is more than just a couple of those, then which ones meet these criteria?

1) under $200 (I might buy a used one, so maybe $300 new would be the limit)
2) grab still images of up 640x480x256 colors
3) allow grabbing "movies" onto disk at a decent frame rate (15fps?)
4) will let you (in XFree386) have the images go to the screen in a separate
   window at a decent frame rate.

And a related question... I don't want to spend all of the money to get a video
camera that records to tape.  I've seen security cameras (just the camera, no tuner,
VCR, microphone, etc) in flea markets for about $50 and was wondering what I should 
look for in such a thing so that it would work with a video grabber (and what to
make sure to avoid).  My goal is to get a cheap camera/grabber for under $150 total.
I also would like to connect a video game system to the grabber to possibly use
for video game development (have one window editing/assembling the code, and another
showing the game).  I also might mess with some artificial vision stuff and maybe
do some VR stuff along the lines of the Mandala(?) thing at SigGraph.  Also, I'll
see what other uses I can think of...

Please email me your responses and I'll post a summary.

Greg


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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 04:37:30 GMT

In article <2t1kii$nst@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>
        crawford@pt4427.pto.ford.com (William L. Crawford) writes:

>It would be great if the SDK included Motif.

It would be even greater if people did even a little
amount of research before shooting their mouths off.

The SDK *does* include Motif.

>What makes anyone think it does?

Um, maybe because it's one of the packages on the distribution media?

>What vendor offers an SDK that includes Motif?

Um, UnixWare, and just about all the others? Even ODT's SDK includes
Motif, but it's sure pricier than UW.

>Better add another $150 or so to the UW price!

And just where did you buy the hat that you pulled this price from?

>William L. Crawford                   |  Internet: crawford@pt4427.pto.ford.com

I'll assume that William is not typical of the average Linux fanatic,
but this level of cluelessness does not make for useful discussions.

-- 
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         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (905) 452-0504
"We're just not good committee people. Some of us don't have that long to live"

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From: sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
Subject: Re: NFS ? AFS ?
Date: 9 Jun 1994 14:54:18 GMT
Reply-To: sarr@citi.umich.edu

In article <peterd.771085202@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com>, peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com
(Peter Desnoyers) writes:
|> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
|> 
|> >Anyway the AFS _spec_ isnt a problem - you'd only need the license to use
|> >their code.
|> 
|> Transarc would probably complain that you'd be infringing on some of
|> their patents, although that wouldn't be a problem for you folks
|> outside of the US.
|> 
Do you know of any actual patents, granted or pending, regarding AFS?

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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
From: cyrillv@netcom.com (Cyrill Vatomsky)
Subject: Re: Will Linux work on a system with ESDI drives?
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:48:17 GMT

Christopher A. Kalin (ckalin@cae.uwm.edu) wrote:
: Hello!

: I'm anxious to install Linux on my system.  Problem is, all I have are
: ESDI drives; a Seagate and an HP.  Plus, since the HP is so big (1455
: cyl) I have the controller translating it down to 1024 cyl, but 63
: sectors/track.  Will any of this interfere with Linux?  If so, will
: any other free *nix clone (like FreeBSD) work?

I use older Maxtor ESDI drives with a DPT controller. They work fine, if
formatted by the controller for a unix system (15 heads, 53 sectors, 
1657 cylinders). No problem whatsoever. OTOH, when I had another drive
(same model) formatted for dos with non-standard translation (something
like - figures are approximate - 800+cyl 40+ heads 60+sectors) Linux 
was unable to read it. As far as I understand, 1024 limit is only
necessary if you have dos and linux (or other unix) share the same drive.

My second drive is now partitioned for dos and SCO (I'm going to dump it
as soon as I run out of space) and I had to limit it to 528 Megs from
640Megs.

In general - I had multiple problems running Dos/Windows from those
drives - constant GPFs and vulgar crashes. I had not experienced a single
problem with my ESDIs and Linux. And apparently Linux fully utilises my
2.5Megs disk cache that came with the controller. The speed of similar 
tasks (loading a GIF file, massive moves and copies of files) is 
almost incomparable.

: While I'm at it, what would be the best distribution to use?  I'm
: looking at Slackware, are there any that might be easier and/or
: better?

I guess it is a matter of faith, but I use Slackware and found it very
easy and intuitive even for myself with no prior unix experience. Since
I do not have a CDROM drive, I had to grab the whole thing from the net.
I guess that was more difficult to install that from the CD, but again,
it works fine.
: Thanks for all input!

: Chris Kalin
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From: mongo@access1.digex.net (mongo)
Crossposted-To: digex.slip
Subject: Re: CSLIP sl0 Performance
Date: 9 Jun 1994 04:59:40 GMT

B.D. Decker (bdd@lamneth.digex.net) wrote:
: Now that I'm all set with CSLIP on both ends of my link, I'd
: like to tune my SLIP performance.  Currently, using "ifconfig sl0"
: regularly gives me statistics similar to the following:

You have something seriously misconfigured if you are using AX.25 with 
SLIP and your modem.  AX.25 is used for *radio* communication, not used 
with dial-up modems usually.  
                       vvvvvvvvvv
: sl0       Link encap AMPR AX.25  HWaddr
:           inet addr XXX.XXX.XXX.XX  P-t-P YYY.YYY.YYY.YY  Mask 255.255.0.0
:           UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING  MTU 2000  Metric 0
:           RX packets 1325 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 267
:           TX packets 959 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 884

: If I am reading this correctly, overrun packets are probably a "bad
: thing", and should be minimized.  I've tried to do that by raising my
: MTU, but the kernel gives me kmalloc errors if I go higher than 2000.
: Am I looking in the wrong place?  Is this possibly a modem problem?

Your MTU should not be set any higher than 1500, normally.  Some systems 
work a lot better with a lower MTU of 1006 or 1024.  I don't have SLIP on 
Digex, so I can't tell you what they like.  

If you are running Linux, you might want to just skip SLIP altogether and 
install PPP.  It's a much more robust protocol and have the ability to 
negotiate with the host for a lot of it's setup parameters.

I am logged in here right now using Linux PPP, via another provider, and 
it works very smoothly.

mongo
  

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From: lilo@slip-5-16.ots.utexas.edu (lilo [Dances With Geeks])
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 9 Jun 1994 20:22:40 GMT

On 6 Jun 1994 16:51:24 GMT, acb (acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:

> But at what cost? Even if Novell-Linux is free, then Linus-Linux would
> have two choices: wither away as a voice in the wilderness or follow the
> Novell corporate agenda and adopt Novell's changes to architecture, even
> if they are aesthetically displeasing and result in Solarisesque kernel
> bloat.

The worst that would happen if we didn't adopt Novell changes would be that
we would be right where we are now.  :)  From where I sit, we're doing just
fine and are likely to do better.  ;)


lilo

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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: International Linux Association (ILA) - New
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 16:51:37 GMT

In article <2t5kka$lkc@peaches.cs.utexas.edu> gadbois@cs.utexas.edu (David Gadbois) writes:
>In article <Cr2H56.B4B@rahul.net>, Charles Liu <alte@rahul.net> wrote:
>>
>>INTERNATIONAL LINUX ASSOCIATION (ILA)         June 8th, 1994
>>
>>
>>I have registered and formed, on June 6th, 1994, the International Linux 
>>Association (tm) abbreviated "ILA" (tm) in Santa Clara County, California.
>
>The guys at International Lisp Associates (ILA (tm)) are not going to
>be too happy about this.

Neither are the people at Linux International. Before you form an
organization in the name of Linux, it's usually a good idea to check
into what's already there.


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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: One Stop Information
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 16:57:13 GMT

In article <HANKEDR.94Jun9083728@mallard.mail.auburn.edu> hankedr@mail.auburn.edu (Darrel Hankerson) writes:
>In article <1994Jun9.113655.16088@brtph560.bnr.ca> luthers@brtph8dd.bnr.ca (Luther Stephens P190) writes:
>
>   I am new to Linux. I have read the faqs, a lot of the HOWTOs, etc.
>   I was wondering if there was a "one stop" source of information
>   on linux. Particularly a book that contains:
>   1. Supported Hardware lists.
>   2. General linux information (ftp sites, flavors,...)
>   3. Installation guide.
>   4. Linux/U*ix differences, and simularities.
>   5. System Admin guide for linux.
>   6. Programmers guide for linux.
>
>The Linux Bible collects all of the HOWTO's and covers most of your 
>request. I received my copy from Yggdrasil. The inside cover says:

I'd like to point out that all of the material (save the Yggdrasil
Manual) in the Linux Bible is freely available from the Linux Documentation
Project. Please see the directories
        sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/LDP
and
        sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO

for the "official" net-released versions. Specifically the book
"Linux Installation and Getting Started" has much of what you need;
look in /pub/Linux/docs/LDP/install-guide on sunsite.unc.edu.

Much of this information is available via the World Wide Web from
        http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/linux.html

mdw

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From: arc@thunder.indstate.edu (Arc Wave)
Subject: Commercial Soft...for Linux
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:11:48 GMT

        First off can any company write software for the Linux platform?
        Second, if so what tools are available?
        Thirdly, is there a fee or agreements to that of gcc?

        Our company is wanting to write software for Linux (due note this is
        not ISU related (above organization)) and sell it (low cost).

Paul
btw, send all replies to me via email...thanks!

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From: nrh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nicholas Hall)
Subject: Mouse under X ...
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 19:21:56 GMT

Hi,
        I've just got Linux 1.0.8 installed (binary snapshot as of Monday this
week from sunsite) and am having problems with my Logitech Pilot 3 button 
serial mouse under X.  I used the Config-XF86 package to get my card/monitor
setup (BTW this is a very useful package - how about including it in a binary
release .... it made my monitor setup easier :) but I can't get my mouse to 
work.

From my /etc/Xconfig :

        Logitech        "/dev/mouse"
        BaudRate        1200
        SampleRate      150

All that seems to happen is that the mouse pointer occasionally moves with
the mouse, but more often than not pops up the odd menu (when I don't press
any buttons !) or moves fairly randomly.  Seems like a protocol error to me,
but I sure can't find it!!!

Any suggestions welcomed ......

Thanks,

Nick.
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