Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #236
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Thu, 9 Jun 94 08:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #236, Volume #2                 Thu, 9 Jun 94 08:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Will Linux work on a system with ESDI drives? (Christopher A. Kalin)
  Yggdrasil and PAS16 SCSI/CDROM: Any successes? (Dan Inman)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (H. Peter Anvin)
  Compiling error ("M.C. Wai")
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Paul Haller)
  Re: mount CD-ROM ? (Heiko Schlittermann)
  Re: Broadcast address on raw sockets return EACCES (Alan Cox)
  Re: future of Unixware (Brandon S. Allbery)
  TAMU X to slow to use (k_dkt@va.nkw.ac.uk)
  Re: [slackware] what happened to dvilj2p? (Thomas Dunbar)
  Re: AHA-2742 driver on Linux (Harald Milz)
  Re: WWW and dual monitors (Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??))
  Do AIR motherboards work with Linux (Ken Mcdonald)
  TAPE DRIVE AND AHA1520A (Shannon Hendrix)
  Re: future of Unixware (Wayne Schlitt)

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From: ckalin@cae.uwm.edu (Christopher A. Kalin)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Will Linux work on a system with ESDI drives?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 16:54:46 GMT

Hello!

I'm anxious to install Linux on my system.  Problem is, all I have are
ESDI drives; a Seagate and an HP.  Plus, since the HP is so big (1455
cyl) I have the controller translating it down to 1024 cyl, but 63
sectors/track.  Will any of this interfere with Linux?  If so, will
any other free *nix clone (like FreeBSD) work?

While I'm at it, what would be the best distribution to use?  I'm
looking at Slackware, are there any that might be easier and/or
better?

Thanks for all input!

Chris Kalin
-- 
                   Chris Kalin-----> ckalin@cae.uwm.edu
System Administration Grunt                 Head PR guy for and co-founder of
for the College of Engineering at                    Eon Designs, Ltd.   
the Univ. of Wisconsin - Milwaukee           "The Universe is Our Playground"

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From: Dan Inman <lasdti@aai.arco.com>
Subject: Yggdrasil and PAS16 SCSI/CDROM: Any successes?
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 19:50:29 GMT

     Hello. I've just ordered the Yggdrasil CDROM, and I'm hoping
to set up a CDROM-dependent installation, so that I only take up
50-70M of my HD for essentials and user directories. Adam 
was kind enough to point out that the PAS16 SCSI driver is
"experimental," and that he only gave me a 50/50 chance of
getting the installation done using that driver with my 
Toshiba 3401 CDROM. (Other specs: GW2000 486DX2-66V, 16M,
400M IDE/VL HD, ATI GUP/VL 2M.) Since the combination works
so well for me under Windoze, I'd very much like to not have to
buy another, better supported (cheapo) controller, as sufficient
funds are also a factor.
     So, my question is, has anyone out there been successful 
installing/using this driver with one of the standard supported
CDROMs? Has the driver improved any since, say, the kernel/driver
versions on the Yggdrasil CD (since the SCSI Howto says it's a 
"standard" driver), such that I could do some sort of workaround 
like downloading the bare minimum system off the net and using 
that to improve my chances? Or will I have to break down and 
get another SCSI card (e.g. the FD TMC850M or the Adaptec 1522 - 
something under $125) ? 
     Any help would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to respond 
either via email or by a followup posting. I plan to try the 
installation this weekend (Friday or Saturday), so I would 
love to hear from people who've undergone a similar ordeal.
Thanks in advance.

Dan Inman     --  Programmer Intern, Arco Alaska Inc.
  asdti@orion.alaska.edu        (preferred e-mail address)
  dan@saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu        
  lasdti@aai.arco.com
  Inman#m#_Dan@msmail.aai.arco.com

#include <std_disclaimer>
All opinions stated or implied are my own and in no 
way represent the opinions/policies of my employers, etc....

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 00:08:06 GMT

Followup to:  <1994Jun5.152002.22965@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
By author:    ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu (Arthur Tateishi)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
> 
> >>The 'ls --color' is just an 1980's update to the 70's 'ls -F'...
> >>Personally, I don't like either, but I have no problems with having
> >>both as an option...
> >
> >The difference is that "ls -F" doesn't mean "ls" has to suck in termlib.
> >Sometimes extra features are a bad idea, when they lead to code bloat. So
> 
> That's only the beginning. It also tries to read /etc/DIR_COLORS to look
> for configuration options! When I install Linux, ls is the first thing
> I "fix".
> 

I and Patrick V. have had a discussion about merging our different
color-ls versions.  In an email he sent me today, Paul agreed that his
version (which unlike mine uses termlib -- I believe -- and
/etc/DIR_COLORS) is less than efficient.  We hope to work out a
version that would satisfy the needs of the Slackware distribution
without being unnecessarily bloated.

My version of color-ls does currently not do colorization based on
file name extensions, but all configuration is kept in a single
environment variable, it integrates ls, dir and vdir into a single
binary, and has ISO 8859 support, which stock GNU ls lacks.

My version is available from eecs.nwu.edu in /pub/linux/color-ls.

        /hpa



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From: "M.C. Wai" <R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com>
Subject: Compiling error
Date: 9 Jun 1994 05:09:42 -0400
Reply-To: R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com

  I got a set of xscreensaver-1.22 screen saver to install to my X-window
However, I encounter the following problem:-

After 'xmkmf ; make' is done, the following error displayed:-

xscreensaver.c:139: conflicting types for `srandom'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:132: previous declaration of `srandom'
xscreensaver.c: In function `main_loop':
xscreensaver.c:672: warning: passing arg 3 of `XtAppAddTimeOut' from
                    incompatible pointer type
make[1]: *** [xscreensaver.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/xscreensaver-1.22/driver'
make: *** [all] Error 1


   My X is X11R5, and kernel is 0.99.13. Is my problem?
Please help!


Regards,
MC Wai

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From: aragon@rz.fh-augsburg.de (Paul Haller)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 9 Jun 1994 08:52:27 GMT

acb (acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: Robert Sanders (gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
: : ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:

: : >I wish Novell would say something about it. The last thing I would
: : >want is a split in the Linux community between Novell-Linux and
: : >Linus-Linux. I think that would be a bad thing indeed

: : Ah, well, if it brings in 5x the people then a split is still a
: : net gain for Linus-Linux.  And it's very unlikely that Novell-Linux
: : would abandon binary compatibility with Linus-Linux -- in fact,
: : there's no way for Novell-Linux to make a kernel change that Linus-Linux
: : can't merge back in -- so Linus-Linux would benefit from binaries produced
: : for Novell-Linux.

: But at what cost? Even if Novell-Linux is free, then Linus-Linux would
: have two choices: wither away as a voice in the wilderness or follow the
: Novell corporate agenda and adopt Novell's changes to architecture, even
: if they are aesthetically displeasing and result in Solarisesque kernel
: bloat.

I think the whole discussion about this topic is obsolete, 'cause
Novell said two weeks ago on telefon, there would be no such thing
as described in the papers! Ok, I talked with the german department of 
Novell, but I hope they know what they're talking about.

CU. Paul


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From: heiko@lotte.sax.de (Heiko Schlittermann)
Subject: Re: mount CD-ROM ?
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 07:00:03 GMT

In article <davidherCr2Cto.LBK@netcom.com>,
david her <davidher@netcom.com> wrote:
>I installed slackware 1.1.0 and it recongized SoundBlaster CDROM, also 
>found a device /etc/cdrom. The problem is how to mount cdrom ?

I think, /dev/cdrom is a symlink and should be set to the appreciate
/dev/sbpcd (?). Then you should make sure, that the ISO9660 option is
compiled into your kernel.

If your device exists and you can talk to it (try cat </dev/cdrom or
cat </dev/sbpcd) and the light goes on, you could try 

mount -t iso9660  /dev/cdrom /whereveryouwant and make sure that
/whereveryouwant is an existing directory.

-- heiko

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Broadcast address on raw sockets return EACCES
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:40:44 GMT

In article <2t1avf$8lh@sgi.iunet.it> eb@iunet.it (Enrico Badella) writes:
>When I try to ping from my linux box a broadcast address (193.42.2.255) to
>see what hosts will reply I get the error sendto: permission denied. I looked

Add the lines

        int bcast=1;
        
        setsockopt(socket_fd, SOL_SOCKET,SO_BROADCAST,&bcast,sizeof(bcast));
        
into ping so that it sets the broadcast allowed option.

Alan


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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 23:56:50 GMT

In article <Cr1tGA.10y@nntpa.cb.att.com>, 67goat@vogon.nw.att.com (Lonnie J. Borntreger) says:
+---------------
| In article <1994Jun7.193254.3183@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, daveh@texlin.minmet.mcgill.ca (Dave Hinz) writes:
| |> My feeling is that Solaris would be a better choice for SVR4 , but maybe
| |> more expensive.  The Suntools are also nice and very straightforward to
| 
| Excuse me!?  Solaris 2.3 (and 2.4 and maybe 2.1 and 2.2) doesn't have ANYTHING
| for X except for there specially compiled, linked, etc. version of X.  It is
| completely based on OpenLook 3.0 and exists completely under /usr/openwin --
| no /usr/bin/X11 or /usr/lib/X11.  Try setting up ANYTHING on this and you'll
+------------->8

Actually, it's trivial to build X programs under Solaris once you realize
that Sun has never (not even under the BSD versions) shipped a working imake
setup.  I regularly mangle the generated Makefiles, and on our 4.1.2 system I
have fixed the Imake configuration.  I'll do the same for Solaris once I get a
chance.

If /usr/openwin really bothers you, try:

        ln -s /usr/openwin/bin /usr/bin/X11
        ln -s /usr/openwin/lib /usr/lib/X11

(Come to think of it, that fixes most of the imake configuration problems,
too.)

I didn't build fvwm under Solaris (ran out of time) but did port xterm-bc with
no problems.  (It flushed out some bugs in my code --- yes, real bugs in my
code, not bugs in Solaris.  The fixes solved some occasional oddnesses under
Linux, too, like the keybuffer occasionally coming up when xterm-bc starts
up even when not told to.)

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: k_dkt@va.nkw.ac.uk
Subject: TAMU X to slow to use
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:07:23 GMT

following a newbie mistake which trashed my system about a
month ago I upgraded from the previous to latest TAMU Linux.
X is now to slow to use, 3 hours to start, 10 min to move
the mouse! Please E-Mail any bright ideas.

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From: tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar)
Subject: Re: [slackware] what happened to dvilj2p?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 00:43:27 GMT


Dr. Neumann's dvi2xx package also has an excellent laserjet 4 driver.
source and linux binaries at tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/packages/TeX






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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: AHA-2742 driver on Linux
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 06:05:04 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

M.C. Wai (R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com) wrote:
: >   I'm using Yggrasil LGX kenerl 0.99p13 version Linux. From its
: > document said that AHA-2742 SCSI controller card is not support yet.
: > However, I know that this card will be supported in the very near future.
: > I want to know is this driver available now? Or, where can I find most
: > update information of this driver developing progess?

I hoped that my suggestion for a "Linux Projects" List would attract more
interest. By now, I received one PM and two comments in this group. Questions
like this, however, keep coming every other day or week. 

Is there really so little interest in a list of current projects under 
development? 

How do the developers think about the suggested list? Drew? Scott? Others?

To the original poster: the AIC-7770 driver is in development. ETA unknown
(later this year). 

To those who didn't read my suggestion last week: I'll post it again as an 
appendix to this. 

================================== snip ================================

As many users keep asking questions "who is working on this and
that" and "when and where is it going to be available" every
other day, a "Linux Projects" file came into my mind. Developers
would send to the maintainer of this document the status of the
project they are working on, and the maintainer would post it
regularly (weekly? bi-weekly? monthly?) in one of the linux
newsgroups (perferably c.o.l.m or c.o.l.a).

Hopefully this would reduce the overall traffic in those
newsgroups (and rumours concerning those projects, the PCI SCSI
driver being a good example ;).  At last, only such projects
which are not yet in ALPHA would be subject to this list. If
code is available publicly, the project will remain in the list
for a couple of weeks, then vanish. The list would contain a
smart hint perhaps not to flood the developers' mailboxes with
requests and queries.

Current projects regularly being asked for include the PCI SCSI
driver, the driver for Adaptec's AIC7770 chip family used on
their AHA-2x4y boards, the PPC port and stuff like
that. Following items might be of interest for the public: 

- projects's name
- developer's name(s)
- developers e-mail address(es)
- additional related information sources (such as
  mailing list addresses)
- assistance in development {required | appreciated |
  not required | (what else) }
- current status {still in the design phase | first code
  runs | apporaching ALPHA status | in ALPHA | code is
  available on (FTP path)}
- ETA (if appropriate and only if the developer(s)
  is willing to release an ETA)
- other remarks (planned features, caveats, hardware
  and kernel requirements etc., as up to the developer(s))

As the contents of the list will change quite rapidly
(I assume), I don't think that it would be a good HOWTO
i.a.w. the HOWTO-INDEX. I even doubt if it would be wise to
store it on sunsite or tsx-11.

Any comments? If nobody else feels he must do it, I'd volunteer
to set up the list and post it regularly.  Initially, I'd like
to discuss this in this newsgroup and try to assemble an
appropriate template making things easy to maintain and
evaluate.

(BTW: a second list might contain available commercial
applications for Linux. As the editor of iX magazine, I'm being
sent some press releases every other two weeks or so, but this
covers only the German market. I assume there's some (maybe
limited) interest in such a list as well because I'm asked very
often about commercial apps. The list would contain only a very
short description of the software, the vendor's address and
phone and fax numbers and email address if available. Nothing
else, no marketing hypes. This list is _not_ intended to be free
ad space for vendors but instead an information source for those
wanting or needing to run commercial apps on their Linux
boxes. However, I dunno if I'm able to maintain this list as
well.)

Waiting for your suggestions and thoughts ...

================================= snip ===============================

-- 
Harald Milz                             office: hm@ix.de
iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      home:   hm@seneca.ix.de
Opinions are mine, not my employer's -- the answer is Forty-two


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Subject: Re: WWW and dual monitors
From: boekhold@morra.et.tudelft.nl (Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??))
Date: 9 Jun 94 11:24:57 +0200

Michael E. Mendis (mmendis@splinter.coe.neu.edu) wrote:
> I noticed on sunsite that they seemed of removed the mosiac from the directory (/pub/Linux/system/Network/info-systems/'  They had zmosiac*.lzh.   Does anyone know of another place which had it for linuz.  I know the home site for mosiac had it but they
 have the make file for various othter unix plateforms besides linux (sun, ibm, hp, dec)  

> Also on sunite they have an old version of a program which will allow linux to use adual monitor.  (one for VGA and one for text)  This version if for linux v99.l14(?)  I am currently running linux 1.1.0.  If anyone has a newer version can you please e-
mail it to me, or tell me where I can find it.

> thanks
> mike

Any chance of you using the <enter>-key sometime in the future????

Maarten

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From: mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca (Ken Mcdonald)
Subject: Do AIR motherboards work with Linux
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:30:50 GMT


I am considering purchasing an AIR (advanced integration research) motherboard
around which to build a computer, primarily because of the high quality of
the boards and the availability of on-board SCSI/IO options.  The board
will be an DX4/100 board if they have one ready (I'm looking at a slightly
older flyer of theirs) or the 486MIS otherwise.  The primary purpose is
to run Linus.  Can anyone comment on whether these boards will in fact
run Linux?  (Oops, sorry, Linus, that should've been an 'x' one sentence
ago :-) )

On a related note, how does one find out which video boards have Linux
drivers available.  For that matter, how does one find out which boards
of any kind have Linux drivers?

Thanks in advance,
Ken McDonald
mcdonald@cs.sfu.ca

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From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: TAPE DRIVE AND AHA1520A
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 04:43:41 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.help ]
[ Author was Shannon Hendrix (shendrix@escape.widomaker.com) ]
[ Posted on Thu, 9 Jun 1994 04:43:19 GMT ]


I've got two IDE drives and a brand-new Adaptec 1520A.  I have no SCSI
drives, just a Wangtek 5150ES SCSI tape drive.

My system:

CPU                     AMD 486DX/50
BIOS                    Phoenix Dragon BIOS
CHIPSET                 ALI
BUS                     VLB/ISA, 8t w/s, 7.15mHz ISA
RAM                     20 megabytes
VIDEO                   S3 805
HARD DRIVES             dual IDE, simple controller
AT I/O card             IRQ 3/4/7 for cua1/cua0/lp1
Extra I/O card          cua2, IRQ 10
Gravis Ultrasound       IRQ 11
Adaptec 1520A           IRQ 12, address 0x340, reconnect/parity/BIOS enabled
OS                      Linux 1.1.18, SCSI

The kernel detects my Adaptec controller just fine.  However, the
Adaptec's BIOS does not detect my tape drive.  I have put the tape drive
at devices from 0-6.  Adaptec Tech support told me I cannot use 0 or 1
since those are reserved for hard drives (I told them I'm running IDE).
The system boots up, spits out information about my SCSI controller,
says diagnostics are OK, etc.  Then it says "System already has two hard
drives.  BIOS disabled".

Anyway, most of the time this is how things go.  Linux boots up, sees 
controller, but not the drive.

But ONE TIME something strange happened.

I had tried jumpering "BT" and leaving it off, same result.  The second
time I booted with "BT" (Adaptec handles booting) the tape drive was
detected for some reason.

I thought all was well so I put in a tape and did "tar tf /dev/st0".
The tape drive got to the end and the system locked up, but it *DID*
list the files on the tape.  First tar just stopped.  I switched VT's
and scanned /usr/adm/debug and found nothing.  However, I checked the
process table with 'ps' and found that 'tar' was stuck in the driver
(status D+).  Moments later my system printed out two messages and died.
The messages were:

Kernel PANIC: proc[0] trying to sleep
Swapping error

At this point the system died.

So I have questions:

* Why doesn't the AHA1520 detect my tape drive?  BIOS spits out config
  information and I have my IRQ's right and all that.
* Why did the tape drive get detected that one time?
* Are there any keyboard commands for Adaptec BIOS?  Like a setup 
  or whatever?
* Where can I get some DOS software to test things?  I didn't see much
  on Adaptec's BBS.

I've tried removing all cards, stuff like that.  I've used all the
different IDE's.  My cable is a dual cable (all I can find locally)
and is new, not folded or kinked.  The tape drive is brand-new.  I've
tried booting with and without tapes in the drive.

Anyway, I had a Future Domain TMC-950 which just reeked bad.  So I
got this one fairly cheap and was told it should be no problem, easy
setup.  I have friends using this tape drive with AHA1542's and I've
read FAQ's and such saying the 5150ES will get along with an AHA152x
controller.

I'm going to sit in Adaptec's phone mail system again tomorrow to see
what they say but I'm not real impressed with their tech support so I
would appreciate any pointers.

I've scanned the FAQ's and HOWTO's but as usual, my problem isn't in
there.  Murphy's Law I guess.  
 
BTW- Adaptec documents say to disable BIOS if you are not booting from
an SCSI device.  What does everyone thing about this?


 
-- 
csh
===========================================================================
shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University
-- 
csh
===========================================================================
shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University

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From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 00:48:07 GMT
Reply-To: wayne@cse.unl.edu

In article <1994Jun7.170859.23563@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
> In article <8565@heimdall.sdrc.com> crbalsn@axpo5.sdrc.com (Jim Balson) writes:
> >>Linux doesn't run very many commercial packages, and the ones that it
> >>does run are mostly DOS programs under its primitive DOS Emulator.
> 
> Like Oracle 6, or wordperfect for X windows - both work under Linux + 
> the iBCS2 module.

Be careful there...  I have been watching the iBCS2 mailing list for a
fair while now and I am _very_ impressed with the work those people
have done.  _However_, there are a lot of Ifs, Ands and Buts with
those reports of commercial packages running.  Most of them have only
been lightly tested.  Many of them require you to configure them just
right or they will crash.  Many of them require you to copy libraries
from otherwise unused copies of SCO or SVR4.  Until things like
libnsl.so are written, you will have to buy a copy of SVR4 in order to
run stuff under Linux.  

Right now, I would be very careful with claims about what Linux can
run under the iBCS2 system.

OTOH, I am very confident that many of these problems will be worked
out in the coming months.  The people involved seem to be very sharp
and very knowledgable, and I really don't think they will have come
this far to let a few more "minor" details stop them.  In another 4-6
months, we should be able to make much grander claims, but for now,
iBCS2 is still very beta code.



-wayne

-- 
The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of
enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is
that he wants to believe.    -Voltaire

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