Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #235
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Date:     Thu, 9 Jun 94 04:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #235, Volume #2                 Thu, 9 Jun 94 04:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  experience with double? (Samson H. Lee)
  Re: future of Unixware (Lonnie J. Borntreger)
  Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux (druck@madman.demon.co.uk)
  Mail Order Linux LapTop Vendors (E. Robert Tisdale)
  Re: Linux for the world? (Carsten Whimster)
  Need Help Compiling "Term" (Alan Rovner)
  looking for SNNS (didier@saturn.unice.fr)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Dave Thaler)
  Re: GL/3-D libaries for Linux (Reuben Regucera)
  Re: Sound card Volume Control for Linux (Whistler)
  Re: For UNIX/Linux: simple Ledger/Cash Journal program? (dan@oea.hacktic.nl)
  sunsite on the web (Erik Troan)
  Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux (hleaves@gems.vcu.edu)
  Re: Seyon Question (Steve McMahon)
  QDI Motherboards? (Paul Quinn)
  Re: future of Unixware (Torbj|rn Lindgren)

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From: shl0@wm406f.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Samson H. Lee)
Subject: experience with double?
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 18:25:51 GMT

I'm thinking about applying the double-0.2b patch and was wondering
what sort of experiences others have had with it.  Is it reasonably
reliable?  Is there much degradation in performance?  Any other thots?

Thanks for your input.
Sam.
=====
shl0@lehigh.edu
Tell him that Dr. Fleischman is the kind of enterprising, young
professional who's chosen to stake his claim right here on the 
banks of the Alaskan Riviera.
   Tell him I'm being held against my will.
                                Maurice and Joel to businessmen (1.4)
                                Northern Exposure

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: 67goat@vogon.nw.att.com (Lonnie J. Borntreger)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:36:10 GMT


In article <1994Jun7.193254.3183@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, daveh@texlin.minmet.mcgill.ca (Dave Hinz) writes:
|> My feeling is that Solaris would be a better choice for SVR4 , but maybe
|> more expensive.  The Suntools are also nice and very straightforward to
|> use--no nasty linked directories, etc.

Excuse me!?  Solaris 2.3 (and 2.4 and maybe 2.1 and 2.2) doesn't have ANYTHING
for X except for there specially compiled, linked, etc. version of X.  It is
completely based on OpenLook 3.0 and exists completely under /usr/openwin --
no /usr/bin/X11 or /usr/lib/X11.  Try setting up ANYTHING on this and you'll
discover what "nasty" means.  I've been trying to get fvwm (one of the easiest
programs to set up anywhere, IMO) for the last several weeks, with no luck.

If you want easy, straightforward and standard, go with Linux, SunOS 4.1.x, or
install XR5 or XR6 yourself and throw away the X packaged with the OS.

Lonnie
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From: druck@madman.demon.co.uk
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux
Date: 8 Jun 1994 12:04:48 +0100

In article <2t30qm$nud@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
Ashley <esvfh@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>The PC formats discs in a slightly different way - a technique is used
>which skews the sectors slightly.
>It is easier to write formatting code for the first method, [non skewed]
>which is probably why the Acorn machines use it.

The RISC OS 3 PRM's say that all previous machines used sector skewing
for both ADFS and DOS discs, but the controller in the A5000 can't do
it. It can read discs like this but can't format them.

> I think Acorn recommend you format PC discs on a PC anyway...

It says you should or you get a 5% speed reduction - and the rest!

> If you look at a disc (easier on the old 5.25" format!) you will see a
> little hole in the disc cover. If you turn the disc round inside, you
> will see a little hole in the disc.

3.5" discs don't have a hole, the drive knows what position the disc is
at because of the drive sprocket (fits into the slot in the metal part
underneath the disc), 5.25" disc were hub driven and could lose alignment
when being spun - hence the hole alowing optical alignment.

==============================================================================
 David J. Ruck BSc               17 AppleTree Close, Churchdown, Glos. England
 DEEJ Technology PLC             : +44-452-712925 : druck@madman.demon.co.uk :
==============================================================================

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From: edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (E. Robert Tisdale)
Subject: Mail Order Linux LapTop Vendors
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 94 22:16:11 GMT

I have been keeping a list of "Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors"
which I post from time to time in this and other newsgroups.

None of the three major mail order companies (Zeos, Dell and Gateway)
that I contacted were willing to install Linux on any of the machines
that they sell so it is unclear which of their machines will run Linux
and the X Window System.  Kim Kirkpatrick (g2kkim@gw2kbbs.com) with
Gateway 2000 pitched the idea of installing Linux on the machines that
Gateway sells to the managers in Marketing but no decision will be
taken until the third or fourth quarter of this year.  All I can infer
from what I have been told is that they haven't said no yet.  Many thanks
to all the people (about sixty) who sent email to Kim asking Gateway to
install Linux on their machines.

All of the vendors listed below will install Linux on the machines that
they sell but provide varying amounts of support for it.  I have not dealt
with any of these vendors except 20/20 Technologies so I cannot recommend
them to you.  Both SW Technology and Fintronic USA, Inc. are listed in the
Distribution-HOWTO and 20/20 Technologies should also appear there soon.

Three vendors (20/20 Technologies, SW Technology and Fintronic USA, Inc.)
sell 486 based notebook computers which run Linux and the X Window System.
In order to get a feel for the prices these vendors were charging,
I asked each vendor to give me a quote for the following configuration:

*       66 MHz 486DX/2 CPU (Intel or equivalent)
*       16MB RAM (upgradeable to 32MB)
*       340MB Local Bus IDE disk
*       1MB VRAM 1024x768 256 color Local bus video (for external video)
*       9.5" diagonal 640x480 256 color active matrix display,
*       2 Type II or 1 Type III PCMCIA slots with Linux PCMCIA drivers
*       14.4kbs internal data/fax modem
*       1.44MB floppy disk drive
*       NiMH battery
*       AC Adapter,
*       19mm trackball
*       Linux installed and configured

Enjoy, Bob Tisdale (edwin@cs.ucla.edu)

                20/20 Technologies
                1786 Westwood Boulevard
                West Los Angeles, CA 90024
                Tel: (310) 441-8855
                     (800) 486-2020
                Fax: (310) 441-8869
                Net: ahou@netcom.com
                Price: $4499
                Contact: Moujan Ahouraian

                SW Technology
                251 West Renner Suite 229
                Richardson, TX 75080
                Tel: (214) 907-0871
                Net: swt@netcom.com
                Price: $4549
                Contact: Marvin Wu

                Fintronic USA, Inc.
                1360 Willow Rd., Suite 205
                Menlo Park, CA 94025
                Tel: (415) 325-4474
                Fax: (415) 325-4908
                Net: linux-sales@fintronic.com
                URL: http://www.fintronic.com/linux/catalog.html
                Price: $4685
                Contact: Larry M. Augustin

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From: bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster)
Subject: Re: Linux for the world?
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 18:46:12 GMT

In article <2sv52e$bum@sun.cais.com>,
Eric Youngdale <ericy@cais.cais.com> wrote:
>In article <1994Jun6.100539.6090@uk.ac.swan.pyr>,
>Alan Cox <iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr> wrote:
>>>Moreover Linus is Finnish, which doesn't hurt.  No one thinks the Finns
>>>are out to conquer the world (maybe they're just more subtle than the
>>>rest of us.  Perhaps Linux is part of their secret plan for world
>>>domination.  Anyone have strange urges to sauna after using Linux?)
>>
>>You've never lived in a country which has all the heritage of viking
>>plunderers burning the churches etc. 
>
>       No, that was the Danes :-).
>
>-Eric
>(of Swedish/Norweigian heritage).

Considering that Denmark was one country with Norway for the longest
time, I don't think you get away scot-free :) And the Swedish vikings
also did the same, just in an easterly direction, as far as I know.
-- 
===================================================================
  Carsten Whimster              --- EDM/2 Associate Editor
  bcrwhims@uwaterloo.ca         --- EDM/2 Book Review columnist
===================================================================

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From: alanr@lacamas.pen.tek.com (Alan Rovner)
Subject: Need Help Compiling "Term"
Date: 8 Jun 1994 22:23:03 GMT

Hello, I'm trying to build term for a Sun Sparc and am a little confused
about the results so far.  I typed in 'make DO=install sun' and here's
what came out:

=======================

[lacamas:term115 {116}] !102
make DO=install sun
make AR="ar rc" RANLIB=ranlib install
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  main.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  serial.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  misc.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  link.c
link.c: In function `ret_fail':
link.c:212: warning: passing arg 3 of `add_ret_buff_str' makes pointer from integer without a cast
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  pty.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  compress.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  checksum.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  meta.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  statistics.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  sevenbit.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  spipe.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  lib.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  client.c
gcc  -O -DLOGIN_SHELL   -target sun4 -c  terminal.c
terminal.c:87: `N_TTY' undeclared, outside of functions
terminal.c:88: warning: excess elements in aggregate initializer after `newterm.c_cc'
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `terminal.o'
Current working directory /home/lacamas/alanr/ps/term115
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sun'
[lacamas:term115 {117}] 

=================================

The killer here is N_TTY being undefined.  I've looked thru lots of include
files and can't find it anywhere.  Can someone point me in the right
direction please?

Thanks as usual for the help,
Al Rovner
alanr@lacamas.pen.tek.com

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From: didier@saturn.unice.fr
Subject: looking for SNNS
Date: 8 Jun 1994 16:09:12 GMT

Good morning...

I am a new Linux user.
I am now looking for the SNNS Linux version

If somebody nows a FTP site could e-mail me ??

Thanks a lot

my address: didier@saturn.unice.fr

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From: thalerd@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Dave Thaler)
Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: 7 Jun 1994 23:10:06 GMT

I already replied via email, but since requests for bbs software seem to
be a faq...

The Yapp conferencing system is a shareware bbs program for unix.
(Yes, it runs fine under Linux).  It's backwards compatible with Picospan,
which is what the WELL uses (among lots of other places).

Source is available for anonymous ftp at:

ftp://merlin.etsu.edu/pub/unix/BBS/yapp_bbs2.3p2.tar.Z

Dave Thaler

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From: reubenr@netcom.com (Reuben Regucera)
Subject: Re: GL/3-D libaries for Linux
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:36:32 GMT

travis jensen (jensen@peruvian.cs.utah.edu) wrote:
: I am looking for a 3D library for Linux.  Is there a GL
: libarary for OpenWindows?  Better yet, is there a
: generic 3D library for X?  Preferably, it would be
: free. :)

: Thanks,

: Travis
: --
: Travis A. Jensen              
: jensen@peruvian.utah.edu  
: travis@exodus.pht.com  (Linux reaches the Internet again)

try ftp.uu.net:/graphics/vogle


-- 
========================================================
| Reuben V Regucera               |    !,,,/           |
| reubenr@netcom.com              |      H             |
| reubenr@reubenr.slip.netcom.com | Linux is here....  |
|                                 |  WindowsNT3.1 here.|
|                                 |  and OS/2 2.1 here |
|                                 |    and more....... |
========================================================

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From: slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Whistler)
Subject: Re: Sound card Volume Control for Linux
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:53:22 GMT

Daniel Kroening (kroening@hit.zer.de) wrote:
: Is there any "Sound Card Volume Control" for X11?

        Hah!  I just finished a "Sound Card Volume Control"
for Linux. :)

Check it out on sunsite.unc.edu:
        /pub/Linux/apps/sound/volume-1.1.tgz

It has both command line and tcl/tk X interfaces.

Enjoy!

        -Sam


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.sources.wanted,alt.soures.wanted
From: dan@oea.hacktic.nl
Subject: Re: For UNIX/Linux: simple Ledger/Cash Journal program?
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 15:37:47 GMT

Wolf Paul (cc_paul@rcvie.co.at) wrote:
: I am looking for a simple accounting program (cash journal or general ledger)
: to run on a PC under Linux.

: I'd be grateful for any hints.

I remeber somebody announced he was writing a GNU accounting program and he
was looking for alpha testers. This was about a year ago but I haven't heard
anything else since then. Maybe the author or one of the beta testers will
see this and give some info.

-- 
|< Dan Naas        dan@oea.hacktic.nl >|
+--------------------------------------+

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From: ewt@merengue.unc.edu (Erik Troan)
Subject: sunsite on the web
Date: 8 Jun 1994 20:02:18 GMT

I wasted some time today and got sunsite's Linux ftp archive on the web
in a somewhat pleasent manner. The mirrored directories aren't available
but every directory that had an INDEX file should be - let me know if
any aren't.

At any rate, try this URL "ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/INDEX.html"
and let me know if it works.

If you like this, don't like it, or have any other comments about it
please let me know. I don't want to keep this running if it doesn't make
sunsite more accessible.

Erik
-- 
===========================================================================
"I'm not like that -- except when I am"   ewt@sunsite.unc.edu  = Erik Troan
                                          sasewt@unx.sas.com
    - Nora from "Pump up the Volume"

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From: hleaves@gems.vcu.edu
Subject: Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux
Date: 7 Jun 94 13:33:38 -0400

I have a Colorado Jumbo 250 drive that works flawlessly under Linux, MS-DOS,
and (ugh!) Windows. There was a problem in older versions of ftape that caused
problems with the Colorado and some other QIC-80/117 drives. The problem has
been fixed in 1.12a. Unfortunately, 1.12a has not been released yet, but I'm
sure it will be soon :)

-Hugh

-- 
** Hugh Eaves                     ** Internet: hleaves@ruby.vcu.edu  **
** Medical College of Virginia    ** Bitnet: hleaves@vcuruby         **

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From: steve.mcmahon@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Steve McMahon)
Subject: Re: Seyon Question
Date: 8 Jun 94 22:39:14 GMT

In article <1994Jun8.172615.11772@mother.bates.edu>,
George Reese <greese@abacus.bates.edu> wrote:
>In article <2smlgj$lhb@nwfocus.wa.com>
>danubius@chinook.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon) writes:
>
>> You put the setup string in your .Xdefaults file with the
>> startupAction resource.  For instance, my modem (ZyXEL U-1496E) is
>> initialized as follows:
>>
>> Seyon.startupAction: Transmit("ATZ^M~~~ATL3 &R0 S9=10 S10=25^M");
>>
>> You should read the Seyon help file to find out all the other things you
>> can set up there.
>
>I have been getting this solution over and over, but it is not what I
>am looking for.  I need to modify the dial string, not the modem
>initalization string.  Doing as you suggest in the many possible forms
>it can take does not do what I want.  If anyone uses crosstalk for
>Windows, the string I need to enter gets entered in the Dial Modifier
>box.  My modem, as I said before, calls it a "dial string".
>

You could've read the manual or the help file and saved us and
yourself the time. Here it is from the help file or the manual:

       dialPrefix (string)
              The  string  Seyon  sends to  the modem before the
              phone  number.  To  use  pulse  dialing,  set  this
              resource to ATDP .  Default value: ATDT

Hence, if the dial string you want is XXXX, use the resource:

Seyon.dialPrefix: XXXX


-Steve


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
From: p_quinn@ECE.Concordia.CA (Paul Quinn)
Subject: QDI Motherboards?
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 01:53:09 GMT


I am about to but a QDI 486DX2-66 VLB motherboard with 72pin SIMMS.

Has anyone tried this MB user OS/2 and/or Linux.  How do you like it?


--
________
Paul Quinn
p_quinn@ece.concordia.ca
Computer Science: Systems Architecture
Concordia University
Montreal, QC, CANADA
========

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From: tl@cd.chalmers.se (Torbj|rn Lindgren)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 8 Jun 1994 20:33:05 GMT

In article <Cr3DK5.1rsw@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>,
Larry Pyeatt <pyeatt@CS.ColoState.EDU> wrote:
>In article <CFLATTER.94Jun8093134@laphroaig.nrao.edu>, cflatter@laphroaig.nrao.edu (Chris Flatters) writes:
>|> There is nothing special about /usr/bin/X11 or /usr/lib/X11.  They are
>|> not standard locations for X11 software.  There is no standard location
>|> for X11 software. 
>
>I have to disagree here.  The normal place to find X11 files is /usr/bin/X11
>/usr/lib/X11/ and /usr/include/X11.  These are the default settings, and 
>constitute a de-facto standard.  

Nope! It certainly isn't the default settings of R6 (/usr/X11R6 is the
default ProjectRoot), and I don't think you can even tell it to use
this kind of paths without setting all paths by hand.

R6 wants to put everything under one directory (/usr/X11R6 by
default), and then create several subdirectorys there (bin, include,
lib & man) where it puts all it's files.

The same behaviour regarding ProjectRoot existed under R5, but I don't
know what it did if you didn't use any projectroot (All my R5 compiles
used a custom ProjectRoot).

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