Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #232
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Wed, 8 Jun 94 15:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #232, Volume #2                 Wed, 8 Jun 94 15:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Jerry Cullingford)
  Cross compilation compilation problems (Will Pierce)
  Re: Sound card Volume Control for Linux (Jim Trocki)
  Re: S3 cards and freezing X windows (A solution) (Jerry Cullingford)
  Re: Comparing Yggdrasil's and TransAmeritech CD Linux .... (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  printcap for canon bj200 wanted ! (Lin Pang Ching)
  Re: future of Unixware (Rick Richardson)
  Re: future of Unixware (Eric Youngdale)
  Re: Yggdrasil xinit always times out (Paul Tomblin)
  Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux (Jon Ribbens)
  Re: future of Unixware (Steve Pendergrast)
  Re: Seyon Question (George Reese)
  Codebook (Was: Linux Source Pretty Printed :-))) ) (Romano Giannetti)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (bobajob)
  slip problems still unsolved(and new emerging) (Kristian Mowinckel)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:14:55 GMT

me too!


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From: pier1@rembrandt.its.rpi.edu (Will Pierce)
Subject: Cross compilation compilation problems
Date: 8 Jun 1994 12:51:33 GMT


I am trying to compile the binutils package in order to have a
Sun gcc executable that will create linux binaries.

I am on a Sun 4.1.3.

Some of the problems arise from (in binutils 9l.4) from a MISSING
getopt.h file and no demangle.h file.  Apparently SunOS doesn't
sidtribute getopt.h, or my local sysadmin's didn't think anyone
would require it.

Problems arising from binutils .9l.3 are the confusion with the
a.out.h file, either missing certain #define's, or being included
poorly.

The documentation for making the binutils package is rather obtuse.

If someone _has_ a binary distribution of a SunOS 4.1.x -> linux compiler,
that would be _great_, and if not, then how do I fix up the
makefiles and header files for either version of binutils?

Thanks.
If you post a reply, please send me a piece of mail at: pier1@rpi.edu
(The traffic here is terrific)

-Will
pier1@rpi.edu
http://www.rpi.edu/~pier1/



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From: trockij@Cyanamid.COM (Jim Trocki)
Subject: Re: Sound card Volume Control for Linux
Reply-To: trockij@icr.Cyanamid.COM
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:31:21 GMT

In article X1tB@hit43.hit.zer.de, kroening@hit.zer.de (Daniel Kroening) writes:
>Hello!
>
>Is there any "Sound Card Volume Control" for X11?
> 
>KROENING 
> 
>Daniel Kroening - Telefon 0681/39690 - Fax 0681/399426 


  Yes, you can try xvmixer, which can be found at sunsite.unc.edu,
in /pub/Linux/(X stuff)/utils.  There is also one that does not use XView,
but it's less pretty :).



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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
Subject: Re: S3 cards and freezing X windows (A solution)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:31:10 GMT

I believe VLB slots can either support bus-mastering, or not; my MB docs
say two of mine do, and one doesn't. Typically, the daft thing says
something like "VLB slots 1&2 support bus mastering", but doesn't tell
you how they're numbered 8-(.  Anyway, that may have something to do with
why yours works one way round and not the other.
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Date: Sun, 05 Jun 1994 23:25:13 +0200
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: Comparing Yggdrasil's and TransAmeritech CD Linux ....


Hello Adam J. Richter and all others,

on 03.06.94 Adam J. Richter wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

AJR> In article <2snq0i$dkm@Gauss.suse.de>, Hubert Mantel <mantel@suse.de>
AJR> wrote:

>> For people using US keyboards the Yggdrasil CD may be a good choice.
>> But just as the fall 93 release, the summer 94 release doesn't
>> offer any support for other keymaps than the US one.
AJR>
AJR>    I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about.  We
AJR> include the standard keymaps that come with kbd-0.86.
AJR>
AJR> adam.yggdrasil.com [17] ls /usr/lib/keytables/
AJR> be-latin1.map        fr.map               sg-latin1-lk450.map
AJR> dk-latin1.map        gr-latin1.map        sg-latin1.map
AJR> dk.map               gr.map               sg.map
AJR> dvorak.map           no.map               uk.map
AJR> fi-latin1.map        russian.map          us.map
AJR> fi.map               sf-latin1.map
AJR> fr-latin1.map        sf.map
AJR>
AJR>
AJR>    If there are some other files that you want for some purpose,
AJR> just give me a full FTP path to them and tell me where you think they
AJR> should be installed for the next release and what they do.

I guess Hubert is missing some comfort (as you get it with the
Slackware distribution):
   "Do you want to change your keyboard map?"
and then
   "Select one of the following keymaps:"
and the install routine builds a line into the rc.local file.

That would be a good idea for us Europeans. ;-)

Greetings ... Eberhard


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From: bc_lpc@uxmail.ust.hk (Lin Pang Ching)
Subject: printcap for canon bj200 wanted !
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 15:06:51 GMT



Hi all ,
        Could anyone tell me where can I get the printcap for bj200 ?


Thanks in advance 



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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:13:18 GMT

wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt) writes:

>So, it seems very likely to me that there are 300,000-600,000 Linux
>users, and it is possible for there to be close to a million of them
>out there.

You missed one source of users for SVR4.  Using information which
is publically available, I estimate the size of the PC multiport
serial market at $200M, or about 2 million ports/year.  70% of
that is Unix (all flavors), or 1.4 million ports/year.  I don't
know what the breakdown is after that, but lets be conservative:

        -SCO 80%        1,112,000 ports/year
        -SVR4 20%         280,000 ports/year
        -Linux 0%               0 ports/year

So there's another half million SVR4 users (over two years) out there
that you didn't count.

Also, I believe that if the Linux numbers being bandied about were
actually real installations for commercial purposes, then the multiport
serial vendors would be getting beat up for not having Linux drivers.

We do get inquiries about Linux from time to time, but not enough
at this point to cause the Sales droids to beat up on Marketing
who would then beat up Engineering.  Right now, I suspect the
hottest source of interest for Linux drivers in this company
would be from our own engineering hacker types.  I think this is
really indicative of the real world use of Linux today.

-Rick
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From: ericy@cais.cais.com (Eric Youngdale)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 8 Jun 1994 12:46:43 GMT

In article <WAYNE.94Jun7184807@backbone.uucp>,
Wayne Schlitt <wayne@cse.unl.edu> wrote:
>Be careful there...  I have been watching the iBCS2 mailing list for a
>fair while now and I am _very_ impressed with the work those people
>have done.  _However_, there are a lot of Ifs, Ands and Buts with
>those reports of commercial packages running.  Most of them have only
>been lightly tested.  Many of them require you to configure them just
>right or they will crash.  Many of them require you to copy libraries
>from otherwise unused copies of SCO or SVR4.  Until things like
>libnsl.so are written, you will have to buy a copy of SVR4 in order to
>run stuff under Linux.  

        No, no, no.  A copy of libnsl from SVr4 would be worse than 
useless since linux does not support TLI.  The shared libraries that are 
prepared for iBCS2 contain a small libnsl.so/libsocket.so which define 
socket() and related functions, and it is possible to run socket based 
applications using these libraries.  There is no need to copy anything 
from a SVr4 machine.  Once the linux kernel supports streams, then TLI 
support can probably be added, and libnsl.so can be filled out.

        You are probably thinking of the situation with SCO, where you 
currently need a copy of the libc_s and libnsl_s shared libraries to run
some applications.  Many SCO applications are static linked anyways
(such as WP), so you do not even need to go this far.  There are a few 
technical glitches in the linux version of libc_s, and once these are 
solved, you can probably get away without copying anything.  Technically
Oracle requires libnsl_s, but since linux does not support TLI, a dummy 
file may suffice here for the time being - don't know, haven't tried it.

-Eric

-- 
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep.  But I have promises to keep,
And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep."

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From: pt@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil xinit always times out
Date: 8 Jun 1994 09:54:17 -0400
Reply-To: ptomblin@gandalf.ca

ptomblin@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>I just got the Plug and Play CD this afternoon.  I installed the "custom"
>installation, but now when I try xinit, it ALWAYS waits for a long time, then
>times out.  I tried using the standard X configuration, and copying the
>Xconfig file I had in my previous (Slackware 1.1.1) installation, and both
>had the same result.  Is there something else I can try before I chuck the
>thing and buy the new TransAmeritech CD?

Thanks to adam@yggdrasil.com for suggesting the solution: rm -rf
/tmp/.X11-unix cleared up the problem.

I'm finishing the installation now.


-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automation Design Group.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.
"Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux"

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From: esveb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Jon Ribbens)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux
Date: 8 Jun 1994 18:15:57 +0100

druck@madman.demon.co.uk wrote:
> In article <2t30qm$nud@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
> Ashley <esvfh@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
> >The PC formats discs in a slightly different way - a technique is used
> >which skews the sectors slightly.
> >It is easier to write formatting code for the first method, [non skewed]
> >which is probably why the Acorn machines use it.

> The RISC OS 3 PRM's say that all previous machines used sector skewing
> for both ADFS and DOS discs, but the controller in the A5000 can't do
> it. It can read discs like this but can't format them.
[rest deleted]

Why on earth did Acorn move to this new controller? It can't do sector
skewing, it has no 'read track' command... (*No 'read track' command?* It's
the most simple, basic, general data transfer operation it can do! How can it
*not* have a 'read track' command?)


Jon
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From: pend@usl.com (Steve Pendergrast)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: 8 Jun 1994 17:11:47 GMT

Wayne Schlitt (wayne@backbone.uucp) wrote:
: In article <8565@heimdall.sdrc.com> crbalsn@axpo5.sdrc.com (Jim Balson) writes:

: > >On the other hand, there are probably _more_ Linux users than all the
: > >SVR4 users combined.  Heck, there may well be more people running
: > >Linux than any other version of Unix out there, including Xenix,
: > >SunOS, SCO, etc.  Yggdrasil alone sold more CD's than Novell sold
: > >copies UW over the last 6 months, and you can bet that a vast majority
: > >of Linux users didn't get their copy from Yggdrasil.
: > 
: >     I prefer to argue about facts I can back up one way or thge other.
: > Don't make claims such as this without proof.
: > 


: Well, you are right, I have no proof that more people run Linux that
: SVR4.  On the other hand, I doubt that you can prove me wrong.  I
: didn't, however, just make a random claim.  I do have some basis for
: it.  A lot of it is circumstantial, but here it is anyway.


: Right now, most of the Linux news groups have readership numbers in
: the 100,000-150,000 range.  Now there is some room for doubt in the
: accuracy of these numbers, and not everyone who reads these groups
: necessarily runs Linux.  OTOH, not everyone who runs Linux reads these
: groups.  So, there it is fairly safe to say that at _least_
: 100,000-200,000 people run Linux.

: The Yggdrasil people have shipped well over 15,000 CD's since last
: fall, and they are claiming that the Summer release will out sell UW.
: Another CD company ran a special and got around 3,000 responses within
: a couple of weeks.  There is currently about 4 different companies
: that you can get Linux on a CD from.

: Last winter the German magazine iX ran a survey and they estimated
: that around 50,000 people ran Linux in Germany alone.

: When discussions like this have come up before in the Linux
: newsgroups, it has been clear that there is a _large_ number of people
: who run Linux that have never heard of Usenet.  There are lots of
: BBS's out there that have copies of Linux, and a lot of people get it
: by copying it from other people who already have Linux.  Multiplying
: the number of readers of the Linux newsgroups by a factor of 2-10 is
: probably in order.


: So, it seems very likely to me that there are 300,000-600,000 Linux
: users, and it is possible for there to be close to a million of them
: out there.



: What are the numbers for SVR4?  Well, Sun probably sells the most with
: Solaris on the Sparc.  Lets say 200,000 per year for the last 2 years.
: (We will ignore all those people who have "upgraded" from Solaris to
: SunOS 4.0.x, and those that have replaced previous boxes...).  Add in
: UnixWares, and all the other little SVR4 companies, and you probably
: get 500,000 to a million.

: This total probably is more than any other version of Unix, including
: SCO Unix or SCO Xenix.  So, my claim that Linux might be the most used
: version of Unix is really about the same as my claim that there are
: more Linux users than SVR4 users.



: Ok, these numbers are only ball park figures, and even then they are
: probably too close to call.


: But, I _meant_ the claim to be provocative.  I _want_ Novell and us
: SVR4 people to think about this seriously.  SVR4 is having a hard
: enough time catching up to its predecessor (SVR3) in sales, but here
: is this newcomer that is rolling along quite nicely.

: Even if Linux _doesn't_ have more users today, unless Novell does
: something quick, it will have within a year or two.  Novell only has a
: year or so to do something to make UW start selling like hot cakes,
: or Linux is going to do the same thing to UW that GNU Emacs did to
: Unipress Emacs. 

: Yeah, you remember.  About 8-10 years ago there was a big debate about
: whether this new, freely available version of Emacs from GNU could
: _possibly_ replace Unipress Emacs.  There were all the arguments about
: how Unipress had a larger install base.  How Unipress had professional
: programmers to support the software.  What would happen to all those
: GNU Emacs people if Richard Stallman decided to stop working on Emacs.
: How, without a sales, marketing and support department, GNU Emacs
: would get nowhere.  How when you consider the cost of a typical
: programmer, the added cost of the editor shouldn't even be consider
: and that no real business would ever use a "free" editor.

: I don't know if Unipress is still selling Emacs or not.  Even if they
: are, they probably sell less than Lucid does of there modified and
: commercialized version of GNU emacs.  In any case, Unipress is now
: just a bit player in the Emacs world.


: I really hope that in 8-10 years, that there will be other companies
: selling versions of Unix other than the ones that are based on Linux
: sources.  I can see it now.  Warnings from people about not buying
: stuff from SVR6 because it is not compatible with Linux.  1/2 :->


: -wayne


: -- 
: The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of
: enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is
: that he wants to believe.    -Voltaire

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From: greese@abacus.bates.edu (George Reese)
Subject: Re: Seyon Question
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 17:26:15 GMT

In article <2smlgj$lhb@nwfocus.wa.com>
danubius@chinook.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon) writes:

> In article <1994Jun2.141304.13325@mother.bates.edu>,
> George Reese <greese@abacus.bates.edu> wrote:
> >How do I set up a dial string with seyon?  The modem I dial to is a
> >14.4 modem which can handle only 9600 baud connections.  Since both my
> >modem and the remote modems are 14.4, they always end up at 14.4.  I
> >want to tell my modem to force a 9600 connect using my dial string, but
> >i do not see where in Seyon to do that.
> 
> You put the setup string in your .Xdefaults file with the
> startupAction resource.  For instance, my modem (ZyXEL U-1496E) is initialized
> as follows:
> 
> Seyon.startupAction: Transmit("ATZ^M~~~ATL3 &R0 S9=10 S10=25^M");
> 
> You should read the Seyon help file to find out all the other things you
> can set up there.

I have been getting this solution over and over, but it is not what I
am looking for.  I need to modify the dial string, not the modem
initalization string.  Doing as you suggest in the many possible forms
it can take does not do what I want.  If anyone uses crosstalk for
Windows, the string I need to enter gets entered in the Dial Modifier
box.  My modem, as I said before, calls it a "dial string".

                   ********************************
                   *         George Reese         *
                   *    greese@abacus.bates.edu   *
                   ********************************

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From: romano@sensores2.fis.ucm.es (Romano Giannetti)
Subject: Codebook (Was: Linux Source Pretty Printed :-))) )
Date: 8 Jun 1994 09:27:45 -0500
Reply-To: romano@pimac2.iet.unipi.it

Ok. I never thought  it could be of someone's interest, but...

---- ANNOUNCING THE MICRO TOOL `codebook' ---------

(No release number. I'd have to put a negative one :-)

Here is my codebook script. It is a simple sh script that  
generate a "book" with a source tree. It simply put in it all files
organized by "chapters" and "sections" that are directories and 
subdirectories of your source tree.

It generate a LaTeX file wich, processed, generate the "book" and a
handy index in front, to rapidly retrieve your files. It simply verbatim
include the files (altough it would very nice to have it generate a
real pretty printed listing, like the one you see in the fontified
Emacs screen...), so it need a program to fold it. I wrote a simple one, 
rfold, that is included. 

The all is simply a "rapid tool" handy to home debug little things, and
I have not heavily tested it. It works for me. It do not do error checking 
or similar clever things. If you put in it strange input probably will
fail.

For curiosity, it worked on the linux 1.1.18 source tree, but the index
chapter give me "Overfull hbox" (4 digits page number, I think :-). 
Look at the results:

-rw-r--r--   1 romano   users       81678 Jun  8 11:45 linux.aux
-rw-r--r--   1 romano   users     6845884 Jun  8 11:45 linux.dvi
-rw-r--r--   1 romano   users      123296 Jun  8 11:45 linux.log
-rw-r--r--   1 romano   users     6636524 Jun  8 11:16 linux.tex
-rw-r--r--   1 romano   users       43603 Jun  8 11:45 linux.toc

Output written on linux.dvi (4856 pages, 6845884 bytes).

My boss said I can't print it. I can't imagine why.

You can download it from sensores2.fis.ucm.es:/pub/Linux/codebook.tgz 

Drop a note at romano@sensores2.fis.ucm.es if there are problems.

If you find it very interesting, I could think about make it a bit better,
and/or upload it in some standard place. I'm hearing from you.

*******************************************************************************
Romano Giannetti        * DII-EIT, University of Pisa(E stands for Electronics)
romano@iet.unipi.it     * Dpto Electr. y Electronica, Facultad de Fisica
                        * Universidad Complutense de Madrid
*******************************************************************************

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From: mautx@csv.warwick.ac.uk (bobajob)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: 8 Jun 1994 14:28:48 GMT
Reply-To: mautx@csv.warwick.ac.uk

And me!
---
================================================================================
  Robert R. Collier   |   mautx@warwick.ac.uk   |   bobajob@axposf.pa.dec.com  
================================================================================
                   Cats don't need any excuse - L.Long
================================================================================


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From: nfykw@alf.uib.no (Kristian Mowinckel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: slip problems still unsolved(and new emerging)
Date: 7 Jun 1994 17:43:34 GMT

My latest try:

nfy1:/etc/> dip -v mow1
DIP: Dialup IP Protocol Driver version 3.3.7.lilo-3.2 (18 March 1994)
Written by Fred N. van Kempen, MicroWalt Corporation; hacked slightly by lilo.

Modem set to "HAYES".
>> main:
>> port cua1
PORT: terminal port set to "cua1".
DIP: tty: open: /dev/cua1 (4) DIP: tty: open: IBUF=1024 OBUF=1020
DIP: tty: set_speed: 9600
DIP: tty: set_databits: 8
DIP: tty: set_stopbits: 1
DIP: tty: set_parity: N
PORT: signal processing, timeout set to 0.
>> speed 2400
DIP: tty: set_speed: 2400
>> get $local nfy1.slip.uib.no
About to set variable $local to nfy1.slip.uib.no
>> get $remote alf.uib.no
About to set variable $remote to alf.uib.no
>> reset
>> init ATZX4S50=0TS0=0
Modem INIT string set to "ATZX4S50=0TS0=0"
>> send ATQ0V1E1X1M0\r
>> wait OK 2
>> if $errlvl != 0 goto error
>> dial 555440386
>> if $errlvl != 0 goto error
>> wait CONNECT 60
>> if $errlvl != 0 goto error
>> get $mtu 512
About to set variable $mtu to 512
>> default
Destination net/address set to 'default'
>> done:
>> print CONNECTED to $remote with address $rmtip
CONNECTED to alf.uib.no with address 129.177.30.3
>> mode SLIP
nfy1:/etc/> ping alf                     # this didn't happen before!
DIP: tty: set_speed: 0
DIP: tty: set_state: I/O error           # I'm sure I have compiled the kernel
DIP: tty: hangup(DROP): I/O error        # with slip option
DIP: tty: set_disc(0): I/O error
PING alf.uib.no (129.177.30.3): 56 data bytes
ping: sendto: Network is unreachable
ping: wrote alf.uib.no 64 chars, ret=-1

--- alf.uib.no ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss   


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