Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #231
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Date:     Wed, 8 Jun 94 09:13:15 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #231, Volume #2                 Wed, 8 Jun 94 09:13:15 EDT

Contents:
  Wanted: Offline Usenet Package For Linux (Brian Kramer)
  Support for SMD? (David Osborn)
  X-Windows sample programs ("M.C. Wai")
  Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux for the world? (Alan Cox)
  Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k (Alan Cox)
  Re: Sangband on Linux (Alan Cox)
  Re: Sound card Volume Control for Linux (Daniel Kroening)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Alan Cox)
  Re: LINUX: ONLY SLIP? (Alan Cox)
  Re: NFS ?  AFS ? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Slack 1.1.2 vs. 1.2.0 (Jeffrey Charles Schave)
  Re: Linux for the world? (Robert Ashcroft)
  Re: Linux for the world? (Bill Hogan)
  Re: future of Unixware (Charles Liu)
  International Linux Association (ILA) - New (Charles Liu)
  Linux on Leading Edge? (Francesco Borraccino)
  Re: flop-0.1 available (Andreas Toenne)
  Slackware Updates? (Rand Dow)
  Re: QWK newsreader for Linux (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
  Linux Source Pretty Printed :-))) (Romano Giannetti)
  Re: [emergency] How to use virtual console in X (Luke Wilson)
  Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux (Olly Betts)
  Re: future of Unixware (Karel.DeBruyne)

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From: bjkramer@remus.rutgers.edu (Brian Kramer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Wanted: Offline Usenet Package For Linux
Date: 7 Jun 94 21:15:32 GMT

I am looking for a package that allows users to download the new usenet
messages and read and reply offline...anyone know of any?

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From: dosborn@max.tiac.net (David Osborn)
Subject: Support for SMD?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 06:56:59 GMT

Hello all,
  I have a 500MB SMD drive I would like to use under linux. I am looking 
for pointers to ISA/EISA SMD host adaptor cards, hopefully with some linux 
support, though I could probably hack something up myself. 
        Thanks alot
         David

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From: "M.C. Wai" <R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com>
Subject: X-Windows sample programs
Date: 8 Jun 1994 03:53:44 -0400
Reply-To: R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com

Hi world,
  Do anyone know which ftp site I can get some X-windows sample programs
with source code provided for beginner? Those programs can demostrate
features appeared in X-windows such as several buttons, pop-up, scroll
bars in one windows. Don't be too complex for me to explore the mystrey
of X.

  Further, if I can get some, what procedures I should do to compile
those programs from the very beginning?
Thank you!


Regards,
MC Wai

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Crossposted-To: comp.emulators.misc,comp.sys.acorn,comp.sys.acorn.tech
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:40:23 GMT

In article <2suvo3$t85@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esuln@csv.warwick.ac.uk (James Murray) writes:
>What about the MFM disk stuff.
>I had ADFS using the 1770 chip with 640k per disk.
>80tracks, 2 sides, 16 sectors, 256 bytes per sector  I think.

The normal PC controller is much more stupid than a 1770/1772 alas.

Alan




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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux for the world?
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:42:26 GMT

In article <2sv52e$bum@sun.cais.com> ericy@cais.cais.com (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>       No, that was the Danes :-).
>
Ah but Linus is one of the swedish speaking 'not a real finn 8)' group isnt 
he ?

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:54:45 GMT

In article <1141@blox.se> bj0rn@blox.se (Bjorn Ekwall) writes:
>Are my eyes just extra sensitive to ham callsigns, or does Linux
>have a special attraction for people such as us?

It seems to , since I've released the Linux AX.25 I've been suprised the
number of Radio amateur people using Linux - and a lot of them since before
Linux had any usable amateur radio support even Wampes. In fact some quite
big names in packet radio seem to have Linux systems.

Alan
GW4PTS


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Crossposted-To: rec.games.roguelike.angband
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Sangband on Linux
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:57:08 GMT

In article <2svo4n$og2@foxholly.lm.com> Peter Berger <peterb@lm.net> writes:
>In article <2st1vd$j0o@ousrvr.oulu.fi>,
>SAngband and Linux are not happy together.  The Linux BSD curses package is
>broken beyond all recognition (which, by the way, is a good reason in and
>of itself to switch to NetBSD :-).  I have tried to use ncurses instead, but

No sounds more like a good reason to port the NetBSD curses set to Linux
instead of the current heap. Theres a good job for someone who wants a
constructive but not hideously technical project to contribute to Linux.

>there seem to be serious incompatibilities between the SAngband code and
>ncurses.  The last version I tried this with was 0.8 ... perhaps I'll see

ncurses 0.8 is prehistory.

>Internet: peterb@telerama.lm.com  Phone: 412/481-3505  Fax: 412/481-8568

Alan




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From: kroening@hit.zer.de (Daniel Kroening)
Subject: Re: Sound card Volume Control for Linux
Date: 07 Jun 1994 18:06:00 +0200

Hello!

Is there any "Sound Card Volume Control" for X11?
 
KROENING 
 
Daniel Kroening - Telefon 0681/39690 - Fax 0681/399426 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 12:39:10 GMT

In article <2t0dr6$4c3@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1994Jun6.095836.5606@uk.ac.swan.pyr>,
>Alan Cox <iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr> wrote:
>>The no-feature attitude is also the reason why half the shells Im forced to
>>use on other machines don't have sensible command line editing.
>
>You got a C compiler, don't you?
I should be so lucky with some of the stuff I have to use.. C compilers
seem to be extra these days and the csh shipped is normally prehistoric.

Alan




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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: LINUX: ONLY SLIP?
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 12:39:36 GMT

In article <XLBiNc1w165w@qedbbs.com> aga@qedbbs.com (Peter Dilley) writes:
>
>What does linux have besides slip. I guess what i'm looking at is does it 
>have ppp?

Yes.. join the PPP channel


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: NFS ?  AFS ?
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:44:16 GMT

In article <2t0hmm$t3d@jeeves.niehs.nih.gov> duling@hippo.niehs.nih.gov [dave duling] writes:
>Hi.  What do Linux users do about sharing filesystems ?
>NFS is tied up in a SUN license (?)  What about AFS ?

I don't know of anybody who has ported it. All I've heard is either
a) I know how to port it but I wouldn't inflict it on your
b) I don't have the time/knowledge to port it.

Linux has NFS. Although sun wrote the NFS spec and their original NFS code
they contributed the specification and (I believe) the BSD version of the code
to the world.

Alan



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From: schave@cae.wisc.edu (Jeffrey Charles Schave)
Subject: Re: Slack 1.1.2 vs. 1.2.0
Date: 7 Jun 1994 15:59:42 GMT

In article <graphix.770990409@pvoper.cc.iastate.edu>, graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden) writes:
|> In <1994Jun6.120313.18086@odin.diku.dk> spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring) writes:
|> 
|> >Hello,
|> 
|> >I've kept myself up to date with the latest developments concerning
|> >Linux. Can anyone tell me the main differences between the Slackware
|> >distribution 1.1.2 and 1.2.0, and advise me whether or not to install
|> >the new distribution.
|> 
|> Easiest thing for you to do is grab the README_ChangeLog and see
|> for yourself all the great changes.
|> 
|> BTW: When will an update Slackware be released?
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Kent Vander Velden                          Project Vincent
|> graphix@iastate.edu                         System Operations
|>                                             Student Development Group
|>                                             Engineering Animation, Inc.

Yeah, I have noticed that it has been a long time since Slackware has been
updated.  Updated progs and fixes were added almost every day.  Has Patrick
V. been hired away by Novell? :-(

Jeff

-- 

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schave@cae.wisc.edu
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Linux for the world?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 07:08:34 GMT

In article <Cr1It0.Lnx@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Carsten Whimster <bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>In article <2sv52e$bum@sun.cais.com>,
>Eric Youngdale <ericy@cais.cais.com> wrote:
>>In article <1994Jun6.100539.6090@uk.ac.swan.pyr>,
>>Alan Cox <iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr> wrote:
>>>>Moreover Linus is Finnish, which doesn't hurt.  No one thinks the Finns
>>>>are out to conquer the world (maybe they're just more subtle than the
>>>>rest of us.  Perhaps Linux is part of their secret plan for world
>>>>domination.  Anyone have strange urges to sauna after using Linux?)
>>>
>>>You've never lived in a country which has all the heritage of viking
>>>plunderers burning the churches etc. 
>>
>>      No, that was the Danes :-).
>>
>>-Eric
>>(of Swedish/Norweigian heritage).
>
>Considering that Denmark was one country with Norway for the longest
>time, I don't think you get away scot-free :) And the Swedish vikings
>also did the same, just in an easterly direction, as far as I know.

In 1066 England had two major invasions:  One by the Norwegians under
Harald Hardraade, and the other by the Normans (who were the descendants
of Vikings that had settled in the north of France) under William of
Normandy.

The English King, Harold Godwinson, marched to the north of England and
beat up the Norwegians at the battle of Stamford Bridge (well, it was
some bridge, maybe not that one).  He then turned around and marched
down to the south of England, so that he could battle William.  He only
just lost that battle.

At that time Norway and Denmark were separate countries (the Danish King
was Svein, I think).  So the Norwegians did their fair share of plundering
too.

You wonder how such fierce people became so wimpy^H^H^H^H^Hpeaceful in
the intevening years.  All the fierce ones probably ended up in England,
where they go to soccer matches.

Don't mind me, I'm just a finance PhD student who, as an American, of course,
doesn't know **** about the rest of the world.

Your history lesson for the day,
RNA

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Linux for the world?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 00:12:51 -0700

Robert Ashcroft (rna@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
 [...]

: I think Linux has great potential in developing countries.  It is free,
: which makes it affordable ;-) it includes the source, which means that
: there is technology transfer (and silences anyone complaining about the
: evil imperialist west screwing over the third world) it runs on fairly
: generic and cheap hardware so you are not tied to one of those evil
: imperialistic, etc, companies, and so forth.

 [...]

   I probably agree with most of this, but what does the idea that Linux
"has great potential in developing countries" have to do with "and
silences anyone complaining about the evil imperialist west screwing over
the third world"? 

   Is it your impression that Linux was created by evil imperialists from 
the west?

   <BH
  
-- 
  Bill Hogan
{bhogan@crl.com}

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 06:08:20 GMT


I am confused.  Does UW contain Motif ? At what cost ?

Charles
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From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: International Linux Association (ILA) - New
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 07:07:54 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce
Subject: International Linux Association (ILA) - New
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: a2i network
Keywords: 

INTERNATIONAL LINUX ASSOCIATION (ILA)           June 8th, 1994


I have registered and formed, on June 6th, 1994, the International Linux 
Association (tm) abbreviated "ILA" (tm) in Santa Clara County, California.

The mission is to contribute to bring Linux to the 
main stream of computing, and provide values/benefits to members.

The membership probably will include a set of a current major Linux CD-ROM 
disc and one year subscription to Linux Journal.

The local chapter in Silicon Valley will start to meet every third Monday 
from June 20th, 1994.

I welcome interested individuals, groups, companies to joint and support 
this association, at this time, while Linux is ready to taking off, in a big 
way, if we do it right.

The chapters/affiliations at other locations will be formed/organized when
we reach 5-10 members in that location.


Contact:

Charles Liu

International Linux Association (ILA)
1645 S. Bascom Ave., #7
Campbell, CA 95008
Phone/Fax: 408-369-9818
alte@rahul.net
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From: franki@jolt.mpx.com.au (Francesco Borraccino)
Subject: Linux on Leading Edge?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 09:54:27 GMT

 have used both a motherboard using DCA which had no cache
and one using a cache (256k) and i have found that the cached board
performed substantially better. Faster overall.

the dca board was one made by ocean which uses dca=dynamic cache architecture
..in other words no cache..apparantly meant to be more efficient not using
an external cache etc...just not so with this board.

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From: atoenne@mpi-sb.mpg.de (Andreas Toenne)
Subject: Re: flop-0.1 available
Date: 08 Jun 1994 10:48:18 GMT

In article <ATOENNE.94Jun8105235@mpii02013.mpi-sb.mpg.de> atoenne@mpi-sb.mpg.de (Andreas Toenne) writes:

   Sure you are missing GNU tar since it comes with the 
   *TAR & FEATHER* option :-)

   Do this: gtar -cMzf /dev/fd0 .


Please forget about this nonsense. GNU tar does not support the mixing
of multi-volume archives and on-the-fly compression.
Still the multi-volume option is great for already compressed directories.

Sorry for the confusion,

        Andreas Toenne
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        Im Stadtwald
        66123 Saarbruecken, Germany

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From: rand@athen.mch.sni.de (Rand Dow)
Subject: Slackware Updates?
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 08:44:27 GMT

What is happening to Slackware?  It seems to have significantly
slowed down, there have been a lot of updates, fixes, etc.,
announced, but the Slackware distribution hasn't changed for
almost two months.  Pat???



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From: eric@pandora.Las-Vegas.NV.US (Eric J. Schwertfeger)
Subject: Re: QWK newsreader for Linux
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 01:22:04 GMT

Barry Flanagan (barryf@iol.ie) wrote:
: David Marples (dmarples@voyager.comms.eee.strath.ac.uk) wrote:

: : Well, net.access gets dodgy in a week, and I'd like to at least
: : maintain news and mail connectivity.  I've found some stuff called
: : uqwk which will let me do just that - formatting my news and mail into
: : a big packet which I can download and read - great.

: : Now, I want a client for Linux, otherwise I'm going to be forced to
: : read my news under DOS or Windoze.  I've tried sunsite and tsx, but to
: : no avail.  Anyone know where I can get such a thing (or can offer me
: : advice about how to re-configure a standard news/mail reader?)


: atpqwk will do the job. I'm sure it's somewhere on ftp.doc.ic.ac.uk, but 
: here's what archie gave me:-

Well, I doubt that this is really what you're interested in, but you can try
this.  I do, and I like it.  I've got C-news running on pandora, and a
UUCP-mail only feed, but I can use term to connect to a different machine.
There I create "soup" packets using uqwk, compress and download the *.MSG
files to /var/spool/new/in.coming and then run the cnews "newsrun" command,
which incorporates the packet into my regular news, and I can read it using
rn, trn, tin, nn, etc.

You'd have to modify this procedure to get it to work for both mail and
news, but I'm sure it could be done.
 

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From: romano@sensores2.fis.ucm.es (Romano Giannetti)
Subject: Linux Source Pretty Printed :-)))
Date: 8 Jun 1994 06:19:46 -0500
Reply-To: romano@pimac2.iet.unipi.it

Hi all,

   I can resist to say it... I have a little utility that pretty print a
source tree (well, almost: it simply create a "book" with the subdirectories
as chapter, subsubdirectories as section, etc and include source files "as
is" - but you have an index for fast retrieval of your code). I tried it 
on the 1.1.18 linux source tree (with umsdos and pcsnd), and now I have a 
nice book with _all_ linux... Look at the last latex output line:

Output written on linux.dvi (4856 pages, 6845884 bytes).
                              ^^^^
                              !!!!

Is anyone interested on printing it? :-)))))))) Tell me rapidly 'cause I
think I'll go to delete the .dvi rapidly :-)))

Bye,
        Romano


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From: luke@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz (Luke Wilson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [emergency] How to use virtual console in X
Date: 8 Jun 1994 06:40:14 GMT

ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei) writes:

>For non-X cases, I can switch virtual console using Alt-F<num>.  If I
>run X, I can use Alt-Ctl-F<num> to swich AWAY from X, but when switch
>BACK to the virtual console that starts X, I can only get the ascii
>display.  How to get the X back?

>Please send me mail.  I desperately need you help.  

>Thank you.

>--
>Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
>Rule # 1:  Network *is* computer

What version of the kernel are you using? I couldn't switch back to X
either when I was using 99pl14 but now that I'm using 1.1.14 switching
back is no problem at all (I still have an old kernel selectable from
lilo and that still won't let me switch back to X).

[This is with a standard Debian 0.91 beta distribution on a 4meg DLC40
Cirrus 5426]


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From: olly@mantis.co.uk (Olly Betts)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.acorn.tech
Subject: Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux
Date: 8 Jun 1994 12:44:23 +0100

In article <2t30qm$nud@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
Ashley <esvfh@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>The PC formats discs in a slightly different way - a technique is used
>which skews the sectors slightly. The idea is, if you are reading sectors
>sequentially, say you get to the last sector in one track and want to move
>to the next. The Acorn machine formats the disc so all the first sectors in
>all the tracks are in line. Moving to the first sector on the next track
>involves waiting for the disc to rotate round almost a whole revolution
>since moving the head from one track to the next takes time. The PC skews
>the sectors so they are not in line, so it is possible to go from the last
>sector in one track to the first sector in the next track without waiting.

The extra rotation only applies when reading straight formatted DOS
disks - RISC OS E format is not skewed, but is still fast, as it has a
largish gap between the last sector and the first sector, which gives
the drive time to step out.  This is actually slightly better than
skewing time-wise, but I'm not sure if this is why it's done.
Presumably this means that ADFS_DiscOp and the like are set up for
non-skewed tracks, so it's easier to format DOS disks that way.

Olly
-- 
"It's no use stroking me, Mr. Boyce, I'm from the BBC" - David Lander, Delve

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux
From: dbruyne@reks.uia.ac.be (Karel.DeBruyne)
Subject: Re: future of Unixware
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:53:16 GMT

Jim Balson (crbalsn@axpo5.sdrc.com) wrote:

Some stuff deleted.
: 
:       But, Wayne, Linux is not complete at $40.00. In case you haven't
: noticed, Motif is missing. Linux System Labs will sell you Motif for, ah, 
: $175.00. plus the $40.00 you claim you can get Linux for , and thats a 
: whopping $215.00 for Linux (shipping not included). With Unixware at $280.00, 
: I know which I would rather have! 

Excuse me, but I can run Motif-applications on a Linux-machine from an 
X-terminal using local motif, or am I wrong ?
That way I don't have to pay for Motif on each Linux-machine.

Karel De Bruyne
Computer Centre
University of Antwerp (UIA)
Belgium
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