Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #226
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Tue, 7 Jun 94 07:13:06 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #226, Volume #2                 Tue, 7 Jun 94 07:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Help needed with .tgz files (John Starta)
  Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM! (Divya A. Sundaram)
  Re: Writing code at run-time (John Wilson)
  Re: OI/UIB problems with gcc2.5.8 (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: NEC Triple spin CD-ROM (Jack E. Wilkinson)
  Re: UNIX or LINUX?? (Dwight M Evers)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Peter da Silva)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Sameer Manek:SysOp)
  Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux (ringfinger)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Dan Pop)
  Re: Linux for the world? (Bj|rn Isaksson)
  Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k (Andy Pevy)
  QWK newsreader for Linux (David Marples)
  Re: System halt when entering Xwindows (Bill Hogan)
  Re: Emulating 256 color X display (Bill Hogan)
  Re: Please recommend GUI Builder for Motif (Jeff Stern)
  Re: QWK newsreader for Linux (Barry Flanagan)

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From: tosh!starta@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (John Starta)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Help needed with .tgz files
Date: 6 Jun 1994 13:22:40 -0500

I am having trouble unziping files with the suffix .tgz. When I try to do 
so with GZIP 1.2.4 I am told that whatever file I'm trying to unzip is a 
multi-part gzip file and that I should get a newer version of gzip. I 
have looked around at various sites and can't locate a newer version. 
What am I doing wrong?

Please email responses.

john

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From: sundaram@poohbear.cig.mot.com (Divya A. Sundaram)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM!
Date: 6 Jun 94 20:32:39 GMT

roman@btr.btr.com (Roman Yanovsky  roman@btr.com) writes:

>       !!!! Attention, users of the Linux and BSD operating systems !!!!


>Trans-Ameritech is announcing COMPETITIVE upgrade!

[deleted]

I was wondering whether it would be really worthwhile to upgrade from an older 
version ... I am perfectly happy with the system that the earlier version
installed on my system ... what _new_ features does this CD add over earlier
editions. 

If there were sufficient justification for getting a newer version of the CD,
I would be seriously interested in getting a subscription!

Divya

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From: wilsonj@alum01.its.rpi.edu (John Wilson)
Crossposted-To: rec.games.programmer,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.os.msdos.programmer
Subject: Re: Writing code at run-time
Date: 7 Jun 1994 04:18:24 GMT

Don't forget that there *have* to be limits to how far the cache can
chase you as far as getting bitten by self-modifying-code bugs go,
since the LOADER itself loads the program (which may be done using DMA
and/or copied out of disk buffers by the CPU), patches up the places that
need relocation (i.e. writes to what may well be code segments) and
then jumps to your program.  Not to mention compressed executables
where the whole program is munged by the decompressor before being jumped
to.  All they've ever told us to do is do any jump to clear the prefetch
queue (and this has been true since day 1, although the size of the queue
varies widely).  If they change the spec in future processors to have an
I and a D cache which are totally unaware of each other, then that's a
bug and everybody will justifiably burn in hell.

John Wilson

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: OI/UIB problems with gcc2.5.8
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 21:46:55 GMT

In article <CqzAHr.AsK@bigtop.dr.att.com>, pfennem@drski.dr.att.com (NB7241000-FennemaP(DR2592)226) says:
+---------------
| Does anyone have OI/UIB working with gcc2.5.8 ?
+------------->8

No.  G++ 2.5.8 is broken.  Get g++ 2.4.5 or wait for the next upgrade (current
development snapshots are claimed to work properly --- and no, I don't know
where they are, so don't ask).

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: jackw@drbear.COM (Jack E. Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: NEC Triple spin CD-ROM
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 05:51:22 GMT

In <2sqt04$7n3@scunix2.harvard.edu> lee44@husc7.harvard.edu (Jong W. Lee) writes:
>Hi.  Has anyone had any trouble with the NEC Triple spin SCSI CD-ROM
>drive?  Or should I be more concerned about the SCSI adapter?

Well, maybe... I had trouble a week or so ago with the SCSI channel hanging
during boot.  I power cycled the cdrom drive (it's an external) and the
problem seemed to go away.  NOTE:  There had been some SERIOUS power
gremlins around here during the previous week that might have upset the
drive.  Other than this one occurence, no problems at all.
-- 
     Jack E. Wilkinson; 478 W. Hamilton Ave, #243; Campbell, CA 95008
              jackw@drbear.COM or ...!a2i!drbear!jackw
                     I am out, therefore I am

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From: evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers)
Subject: Re: UNIX or LINUX??
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 22:07:16 GMT

Claes Heland (claes@ecsdg.lu.se) wrote:
: In article bun@aurora.engr.latech.edu, ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos) writes:
: >Marc Heinzmann (heinzman@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE), quoted out of context, wrote:
: >> In article <2smfdf$shm@longwood.cs.ucf.edu>, renzy@longwood.cs.ucf.edu (Thomas Renzy) writes:
: >> |> I believe LINUX takes up about 100 megs or more for the full blown package.
: >> |> Sorry I don't know, how much RAM it takes. I know one person who has LINUX
: >> |> on his system and he likes it alot. Good Luck.

: >Just for the record, I have used Linux (basically as a multi-window
: >dialup terminal) on a 386SX/16 with 2MB of RAM, on a 12MB root
: >partition and 4MB of swap (Hint: For painless installation on small
: >machines, get your hands on the old MCC distribution (the one with the
: >pl10+ kernel)).

: Quite stripped down, I must say :-)
My thoughts exactly...But, not everyone needs (or wants) X or all the 
networking goodies that come with the CD distributions.

: >So quit saying Linux takes "100 megs or more"  !!! :-)
Not to say that anyone is wrong here, but It _CAN_ take up over 1gig with
all the sources and dev tools, along with user accounts and so fourth.

: I just finished installing a new slackware system on a DX2/66 16M ram and 170M disk.
: It runs very good when used as a workstation.

I run with a 200meg partion and a 14meg swap. I have 20meg ram and a 
Mitsumi CD-ROM drive that I keep the sources on hand with. The Yggdrasil 
Summer 94 release has a CD-dependant install(!!!4meg disk space!!!) and a 
custom setup (!35meg disk space!) that lets you install what you want. I 
find it really useful to run X off the HD and non-essential bin's off the CD.

Hope this helped in some way...not everyone has a mainframe handy.

============================================================================
                        |       "...peace is a thing which a person
Dwight M. Evers         |           must be willing to fight for..."
evers@plains.NoDak.edu  |
        NDSU            |                       -Abe Lincoln
============================================================================


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From: peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: 6 Jun 1994 23:06:16 -0500

In article <hart.770900967@apanix.apana.org.au>,
Leigh Hart <hart@apanix.apana.org.au> wrote:
>-- Leigh, who first used UNIX on an 11/34 that supported 12 users in 128k RAM,
>   and still runs FreeBSD on a 386sx-16/6mb :-)

I'm running System V on a 386/16 in 4MB and a 70 MB hard disk and getting a
News feed.

So neener neener neener.

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From: seawolf@yesanext.sbay.org (Sameer Manek:SysOp)
Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 94 17:30:32 PDT

Volker Schuermann <Volker.Schuermann@unnet.wupper.DE> writes:

> In article <2saqvs$7n9@bbs.dsnet.com>,
>             System Administrator writes:
> 
> >     : > : 1)  RIP graphics
> 
> What on earth do RIP graphics have to do with BBSs??? I'm writing BBS
> software and I'm working with RIPs for professional purposes, but I have
> no idea how to combine both ...
> 
> Is there a special communication software in the market, I haven't heard
> of yet, which allows to work with RIP graphics?
> 
> Please enlighten me soon ... (specifications, ready to implement, would be
> great ;-)
> 

For msdos/windows there are several communication software programs that 
allow you to view RIP screens (Qmodem for example)..But seeing as how
this was x-posted to comp.os.linux I assume that you also want to run
your bbs under linux.

Seeing as how I don't know much about linux, i can't answer that..but
rip is just a protocal for sending screens over the phoneline, and 
handeling modem events, so you should be able to port it over to unix.

As an after thought there are some boards in my area that allow you to 
call in and download their rip com-program..I think its called ripterm 
if I remember correctly. Also I've heard that the rip standard closely
follows the Borland bgi format, I don't know if thats true, I"m just 
passing along a rumor.


================ Sameer Manek::SysOp of the BigBrother BBS =================
            monitoring people's lives since George Orwell's 1984              
SeaWolf@YesaNeXT.sbay.org    "Starlight, starbright, wish I may, wish I 
SeaWolf@YesaNeXT.TheTech.COM   might, turn this PC into a NexT" 
============================================================================

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From: ez043524@rocky.ucdavis.edu (ringfinger)
Subject: Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 03:50:14 GMT

Joe Julian (jjulian@cyberspace.com) wrote:
: On Sun, 5 Jun 1994 00:31:28 +0000 Stephen Soghoian wrote:
: The Conner 250 works quite well with Linux (I have an entry in my 
: crontabs that backs up my user path nightly on to one.)  For DOS
: however, Conner Backup Basics (CBB) is obnoxious.  It only backs
: up local DOS drives, and only does full backups.  If this isn't
: what you want to do you have two options.  You can purchase
: Conner's Backup Exec, which will backup network volumes, as well
: as do partial backups, or you can mount your DOS partition in 
: Linux and backup using tar (or whatever other you like...  I use
: tar).  This even works for compressed drives as long as the CVF
: is less than a tapefull.  That's how I backup my DOS partitions
: and I use Doublespace so I don't have to waste that much drive
: space on that worn out OS.  (Unfortunately I still have to have
: some to maintain some product I have out.) 

You obviously have the older version of Conner Backup Basics.  I called 
conner and they send me disks with the new (I think v1.2 win and 1.1 dos) 
versions of this product for free.  The new version does partial backups 
and partial restores.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 08:09:34 GMT

In <2t0dr6$4c3@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva) writes:

>In article <1994Jun6.095836.5606@uk.ac.swan.pyr>,
>Alan Cox <iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr> wrote:
>>The no-feature attitude is also the reason why half the shells Im forced to
>>use on other machines don't have sensible command line editing.
>
>You got a C compiler, don't you?
>
>So why are you forced to use these inadequate shells?

If the disk quota is small enough, the C compiler doesn't help too much
:-)

Dan
-- 
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: dvlbin@cs.umu.se (Bj|rn Isaksson)
Subject: Re: Linux for the world?
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:33:19 GMT

In article <DHOLLAND.94Jun6151227@husc7.harvard.edu>,
David Holland <dholland@husc7.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>ericy@cais.cais.com's message of 6 Jun 1994 12:33:18 GMT said:
>
> > >You've never lived in a country which has all the heritage of viking
> > >plunderers burning the churches etc. 
> > 
> >     No, that was the Danes :-).
> > 
> > -Eric
> > (of Swedish/Norweigian heritage).
>
>And the Swedes, of course.
>
> - David
> (of Norwegian heritage)
>
>:-)
>

Not to forget the Norwegians! 

/Bjorn
 (of Norwegian/Finnish heritage, living in Sweden) :)

--
 Bjorn Isaksson, 
 <dvlbin@cs.umu.se>

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From: pevy@mobira.nmp.nokia.com (Andy Pevy)
Subject: Re: CQ de sm0fcj + k
Date: 7 Jun 1994 09:23:23 GMT

Emarit Ranu (drranu@lamar.ColoState.EDU) wrote:
> Bjorn Ekwall (bj0rn@blox.se) wrote:
> : Are my eyes just extra sensitive to ham callsigns, or does Linux
> : have a special attraction for people such as us?
> : Although being more or less QRT the last 10 years, I still keep
> : my license alive...

> : 73 de sm0fcj + @

> : Bjorn Ekwall == bj0rn@blox.se


>       My friend, HAMs are EVERYWHERE! :P

> --
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Emarit                                          President of the
>                                  Colorado State University Amateur Radio Club
> drranu@lamar.ColoState.EDU         2 meters  147.36+     70 centimeters 449.85-
> _._  __.  _____  _._.  __._                          KG0CQ
> *******************************************************************************


   Here Here  :-))
   
   Andy Pevy  G4XYW.
   
   

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From: dmarples@voyager.comms.eee.strath.ac.uk (David Marples)
Subject: QWK newsreader for Linux
Date: 7 Jun 94 10:45:04


Well, net.access gets dodgy in a week, and I'd like to at least
maintain news and mail connectivity.  I've found some stuff called
uqwk which will let me do just that - formatting my news and mail into
a big packet which I can download and read - great.

Now, I want a client for Linux, otherwise I'm going to be forced to
read my news under DOS or Windoze.  I've tried sunsite and tsx, but to
no avail.  Anyone know where I can get such a thing (or can offer me
advice about how to re-configure a standard news/mail reader?)

Thanks in Advance
DAVE
D.J.Marples@strath.ac.uk

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Subject: Re: System halt when entering Xwindows
Date: 7 Jun 1994 02:21:26 -0700

M.C. Wai (R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com) wrote:
: Hi world,
:    When I enter to X-windows by typing 'x', the system will halt.
: Who can help me to fix it? My configuration is as follows:-
: -486DX with 4M Ram
: -Cirrus Logic 5422
: -Slackware Linux

: Is my display card problem? I can see the background color become grey
: and a 'X' shape cursor. Afterward, the system is halt until I press
: a reset button to reset it. [warm boot is not possible]

: Regards,
: MC Wai

  MC,

   I can think of at least two things I would try before I would ever
resort to a hardware reset to get out of X: 

  1. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE

  2. CTRL+ALT+Fkey, where Fkey either takes me to the Linux prompt in a
VT that I am already are logged in on or to the Linux login prompt. 

  That said, I think typing "X" (uppercase) merely invokes an X server (do
'ls -l /var/X11/bin/X' to see which one it is). 

  I am pretty sure something *else* has to be running besides X, something
that can accept directives from you and pass them back to the X server,
before you can make X do anything. 

  I am strictly a beginner at X, so I always use one or the other of the
two X-starter-uppers that were provided to me for that purpose when I
installed all my X stuff from Slackware -- namely, 'openwin' and 'startx'. 

  Bill
  
     
  
   
-- 
  Bill Hogan
{bhogan@crl.com}

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Subject: Re: Emulating 256 color X display
Date: 7 Jun 1994 02:44:22 -0700

Ingar F Pedersen (ingar@cee.hw.ac.uk) wrote:
: Bill Hogan (bhogan@crl.com) wrote:
: : Ingar F Pedersen (ingar@cee.hw.ac.uk) wrote:
: : : Hi.....

: : : Is it possible to emulate a 256 color X display on a 16 color display.
: : : This would be nice as I'm running Linux on a portable machine, and
: : : this machine can only run the 16 color X display driver, and I think
: : : it would be nice to be able to run X applications that require a 256 
: : : color display.....

: :  I'm not sure this is what yoy have in mind, but I get 16 levels of 
: : grey using the XF86_VGA16 server with my 256 color Trident 8900C video 
: : card.

: :  Bill

: I guess I wasn't clear enough with my question: I want to be abe to run
: 256 color programs (eg one of the 256 color X servers) on my laptop which
: hasn't got a graphics adapter capable of doing this. The reason is that I'll 
: be trying to port some X programs that requires 256 colors to Linux. I am able
: to run the XF86_VGA16 server, so if somebody knows how to force this, or the mono
: server to run programs that require 8-bit color please let me know....


: ***************************************************************************
: * Ingar F. Pedersen   *  e-mail: ingar@cee.hw.ac.uk                       *
: * Computer Science    *                                                   * 
: * Heriot Watt Uni.    *  Another boring .sig that doesn't mean anything    *
: * Edinburgh           *  at all.                                          *
: ***************************************************************************

  Then I still don't understand your question, but I would like to take this
opportunity to correct my stupid answer! 

 It so happens that the picture tube on my ADI-3E monitor went kaput a 
couple of weeks ago, so I shipped it back to the factory and bought a 
little $150 Relisys RM9502 "paperwhite" VGA monitor to use as my backup.

 For some reason, I jumped to the conclusion that because my new monitor
can only differentiate 16 levels of grey, I had to switch from the
XF86_SVGA server to the XF86_VGA16 server! 

 This worked, but (I think) it only uses 256K of the 1MB on my Trident 8900C.

 Today it dawned on me that I had tested the monitor under Windows 3.1 at
one point, and that, since Windows was still using the same Trident 8900C
driver that it had been using before, and did not complain, I should be
able to keep using the XF86_SVGA driver -- as long as I amended my Xconfig
file accordingly. 

 This I have now done.

 So, although I was very pleased that I was able to run XFree86on on this
little RM9502 at all, before, I am enormously pleased by the fact that I
can also use the same X server I was using when I had my ADI-3E (which, 
BTW, is still selling for about $350) connected!!! 

 Bill

-- 
  Bill Hogan
{bhogan@crl.com}

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From: jstern@eclectic.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern)
Subject: Re: Please recommend GUI Builder for Motif
Date: 7 Jun 1994 09:53:35 GMT

Thomas B. Pedersen (zeppelin@login.dkuug.dk) wrote:

: Does such a GUI builder exist for Linux/Motif?

--Just want to suggest you also look into wxWindows, available ftp 
from skye.aiai.ed.ac.uk.. it now has a gui builder in the last couple
of versions, but I prefer the coding, which is very similar in style
to Borland's ObjectWindowsLibrary (OWL): That is, event-driven and
object-oriented.  I am currently writing a graphical interface database
with it, and the folks online are very helpful.  Creates executables 
for Motif,Xview, OpenLook, Win3.1, WinNT.  I believe OS/2 and MacOS are
in the wings, but can't be sure.

Jeff Stern
jstern@eclectic.ss.uci.edu


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From: barryf@iol.ie (Barry Flanagan)
Subject: Re: QWK newsreader for Linux
Date: 7 Jun 1994 10:20:51 GMT

David Marples (dmarples@voyager.comms.eee.strath.ac.uk) wrote:

: Well, net.access gets dodgy in a week, and I'd like to at least
: maintain news and mail connectivity.  I've found some stuff called
: uqwk which will let me do just that - formatting my news and mail into
: a big packet which I can download and read - great.

: Now, I want a client for Linux, otherwise I'm going to be forced to
: read my news under DOS or Windoze.  I've tried sunsite and tsx, but to
: no avail.  Anyone know where I can get such a thing (or can offer me
: advice about how to re-configure a standard news/mail reader?)


atpqwk will do the job. I'm sure it's somewhere on ftp.doc.ic.ac.uk, but 
here's what archie gave me:-

Host halcyon.com

    Location: /pub
      DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x        512  Jun 28 1993  batpower
    Location: /pub/fidonet/ansi/ansi_art
           FILE -r--r--r--      12818  May 16 1993  hatprty.ans
    Location: /pub/fidonet/fidomaps
           FILE -r--r--r--        439  Oct 25 1992  catpe
    Location: /pub/linux/fido
           FILE -rw-r--r--     105263  Feb 10 1993  atpqwk-1.40.bin.tar.z
           FILE -rw-r--r--     113814  Feb 10 1993  atpqwk-1.40.src.tar.z
    Location: /pub/waffle/miscnets
           FILE -rw-r--r--     133042  Jan 14 1993  atpqwk04.zip

Hope this helps!

-Barry

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