Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #220
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 5 Jun 94 18:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #220, Volume #2                 Sun, 5 Jun 94 18:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Stefan Rodenstein)
  Help for Conner 250 and FTAPE? (Ken Corey)
  Re: [emergency] How to use virtual console in X (Mike Gaffney)
  eps-0.6.4 printing problems (Mark Juric [MSAI])
  Re: Adaptec 1540A (John Grana)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Arthur Tateishi)
  Re: Linux and COBOL (Ken Firestone)
  Re: login from cmd line.... poop! (James W. Abendschan)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Ulf Bartelt)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (mudit p vats)
  NTP for Linux? (green@ids.net)
  Information on POV-Ray (free raytracer w/full source) (Christopher Cason)
  Re: Modem reliability under linux (Ken Firestone)
  Re: [Q] Where can I find MOTIF for Linux (dan@oea.hacktic.nl)
  Re: Cheap printer for Linux (dan@oea.hacktic.nl)

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From: stefan@delphi.central.de (Stefan Rodenstein)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: 5 Jun 1994 14:10:37 GMT

: In article <2rvnl9INNjed@CS.UTK.EDU> peek@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Michael Peek) writes:
: How many readers would be interested in an officially-compiled and
: supported version of POVRAY, with X-Windows support, for LINUX ???

Yes, I am! Of course!

--

        Stefan Rodenstein     EMAIL: stefan@delphi.central.de
                                     ptsr@asterix.rz.tu-clausthal.de

Entropy isn't what it used to be.

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From: exukenc@exu.ericsson.com (Ken Corey)
Subject: Help for Conner 250 and FTAPE?
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 18:55:14 GMT

Hi all.

Yesterday I went out and bought a Conner 250MB floppy-tape backup unit.

Got it installed with no troubles, and proceeded to do some small backups to
make sure it worked.  So far so good.

Then, once I figured it was working, I tried to do a full backup of my linux
file system.  It started writing, but about 85% of the way through bombed
because of a I/O Error.

[Version check: Linux 1.0, Slackware 1.2, ftape 1.12, (on DOS side) Conner
 backup basics 1.1, and the windows version is 1.2]

Okay, a quick recompile of ftape, and a retry...no luck.

Okay, fine and dandy, I figured the preformatted tape was bogus, so I formatted
it using DOS, and then tried the backup again. No joy.  I can't even get a 
status from the tape drive.  "I/O Error." To double check it's not gone south 
on me, I did a few small DOS backups.  No problem.

Hrm...okay, maybe the windows version of cbb formats better than the DOS version.

I reformatted the tape under windows, and re-tried the backup under Linux.

Again, no luck.

Any ideas whats wrong?

--
Ken Corey   exukenc@exu.ericsson.com  214/907-5841  Speaking for everyone...
 "You've got to think about tomorrow!"
 
 "TOMORROW!  I haven't even prepared for *_________yesterday* yet!"

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From: mgaffney@gecko.mrj.com (Mike Gaffney)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [emergency] How to use virtual console in X
Date: 5 Jun 1994 14:02:04 -0400

In article <CqwrxL.75r@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei) writes:
>For non-X cases, I can switch virtual console using Alt-F<num>.  If I
>run X, I can use Alt-Ctl-F<num> to swich AWAY from X, but when switch
>BACK to the virtual console that starts X, I can only get the ascii
>display.  How to get the X back?

For me, ALT-F7 gets me back to X.  I don't know how many VT's you have
(I hear you can add more than the default if it suits your needs, but I
haven't done so).  Hope this helps.  


The rest of this is for my stupid newsreader that wants the reply longer than
the original message.  Please ignore.


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-- 
==============================================================================
These  neural nuggets are mine, all mine.  I wouldn't let my company take
credit for them even if they _wanted_ to.  


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From: mjuric@aisun4.ai.uga.edu (Mark Juric [MSAI])
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: eps-0.6.4 printing problems
Date: 5 Jun 1994 19:08:55 GMT

Hi all,
  I'm trying to use eps-0.6.4 and I'm having some strange output.  At the
beginning of each line printed, there is what looks like a 0 or capital O.
Another problem I'm having is that the last pass of the last line doesn't seem
to want to be printed (this might be a problem with my lpr setup though).
  Am I missing something obvious?  My printcap line is naked, but no matter
what I try, it doesn't seem to effect it.  I've even directed eps output to a
file and printed the file and it does the same thing.

Particulars:
 Linux 1.1.13
 Panasonic KX-P1180 9-pin printer
 Distribution eps.config from sample directory

@===@                                                                     @===@
 ###  Mark Juric                               A.I. Programs               ###
 ###  mjuric@ai.uga.edu                    University of Georgia           ###
 ###  System Administrator                 Athens, Georgia 30602           ###
@===@                                                                     @===@

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From: jjg@pt.com (John Grana)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1540A
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 16:25:12 GMT

In article <CqtLAJ.E3C@world.std.com> tgc@world.std.com (Terry Carlin) writes:
>Stephan Hesse (sth@black.telenet.de) wrote:
>: I was trying to use to use the Linux aha1542 driver on an
>: Adaptec 1540A controller and it worked only (very) partially.
>
>: The adapter was correctly recognized and the first 1024 Bytes
>: could be read correctly from the disk. After that, a read error
>: ocurred (the controller/drive combination is usable from
>: another OS).
>
>: From the Adaptec manuals I conclude, that the only difference 
>: between 1540 and 1542 is the absence/ presence of a floppy
>: controller. So I guess, that this should not be the reason 
>: of my problems.
>

Another thing though... the 154xA series DO NOT SUPPORT SCATTER/GATHER.
I have a 1540A (which runs great under DOS/Windows) sitting in
my desk drawer since it won't run under Linux. I have a SIDE VL-Bus
SCSI/IDE/Multi I/O adapter in my machine that uses the Adaptec 6360
(aka 152X) controller that works ok. I am attempting to get the
1540A working by setting a variable in the aha154x driver to 0,
which should disable scatter/gather in the driver. I have not
had the time to "re-install" the 1540A and IDE controller to
test the driver...



-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
|John Grana, Performance Technologies Incorporated              jjg@pt.com|
|315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620           uupsi!ptsys1!jjg|
|Phone: (716) 256-0200   Fax: (716) 256-0791                              |

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu (Arthur Tateishi)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: 5 Jun 94 19:20:02 GMT

In article <2spm91$1b2@starbase.neosoft.com>,
Peter da Silva <peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>In article <WAYNE.94Jun3224657@backbone.uucp>,
>Wayne Schlitt <wayne@cse.unl.edu> wrote:
>>The 'ls --color' is just an 1980's update to the 70's 'ls -F'...
>>Personally, I don't like either, but I have no problems with having
>>both as an option...
>
>The difference is that "ls -F" doesn't mean "ls" has to suck in termlib.
>Sometimes extra features are a bad idea, when they lead to code bloat. So

That's only the beginning. It also tries to read /etc/DIR_COLORS to look
for configuration options! When I install Linux, ls is the first thing
I "fix".

arthur
-- 
Choices don't scare me. However, a lack of choices does.
Arthur Tateishi                           ruhtra@turing.utoronto.ca

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From: kenf@clark.net (Ken Firestone)
Crossposted-To: bc.unix
Subject: Re: Linux and COBOL
Date: 5 Jun 1994 19:19:44 GMT

davidh@wimsey.com wrote:



: Any place to look, or general hints regarding COBOL and Linux?
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe several days after hell freezes over??? :-)

(sorry I couldn't resist, no real harm ment.)

--

============================================================================
Ken Firestone, N3JBU     | If you look at things right, its best not to know 
kenf@clark.net           | who you really are. Because anything that happens 
                         | to anybody who doesn't know who he really is 
                         | actually happens to somebody else. So it makes no 
                         | difference at all. -- Nelson Algren.  
============================================================================

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From: unkadath!shamus@naucse.cse.nau.edu (James W. Abendschan)
Subject: Re: login from cmd line.... poop!
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 16:31:29 GMT

In article <2ssqhl$3r8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> ethomson@amazon.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ed Thomson) writes:
>Anton Toom (ontonca@the-college.iwctx.edu) wrote:
>> did anyone try to type login [username]  from cmd line? it lets you
>> login alright, but the uid stays the same!!! exec /bin/login (yepp,
>> w/o exec it forks!!!) does the same thing!  any thoughts?
>
>I've never had this problem before, but when I run login from the cmd line
>twice, it did barf on me.

Is your login suid root?  If not, typing "login" to relogin to any ID other
than your own will not work.  login performs a setuid() call to change the
ID to the user logging in, but it can't do this unless it's being run as
root.

When it is called by init (as in a normal login sequence) it can do this,
because init runs as root (as do telnetd and rlogind.)

If you want to be able to use login from the command prompt, do a chmod 6555
/bin/login.

James

-- 
James W. Abendschan                "Turing," she said.  "You are under arrest."
...!naucse!unkadath!shamus    shamus@unkadath.uucp      jwa@sunset.cse.nau.edu

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From: stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Ulf Bartelt)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 19:23:47 GMT

Reuben Regucera (reubenr@netcom.com) wrote:
: It can be found in : ftp.wordperfect.com:/unix/demos/sco/sco.Z
: It is an 8M file, uncompress works, but the tar file is not recognized 
: by Linux or Sun.

pce60:~/io$ ftp ftp.wordperfect.com
Connected to ftp.wordperfect.com.
220 ftp Novell NetWare 386 FTP Server (V1.38), Copyright (C) 1992,93 MurkWorks Inc., ready
Name (ftp.wordperfect.com:stub): ftp
Password (ftp.wordperfect.com:ftp): <my address>
531 Access Denied by supervisor
Login failed.
ftp> 

Mhm.... ?!?!?! :-(

--
Ulf Bartelt | 2:2437/120.666@fidonet.org | stub@zaphod.in.tu-clausthal.de
            |                            | stub@linux.rz.tu-clausthal.de

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From: vats@cis.ohio-state.edu (mudit p vats)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: 5 Jun 1994 16:29:40 -0400

In article <2ssmct$19b@gameport.delphi.central.de> stefan@delphi.central.de (Stefan Rodenstein) writes:
>: In article <2rvnl9INNjed@CS.UTK.EDU> peek@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Michael Peek) writes:
>: How many readers would be interested in an officially-compiled and
>: supported version of POVRAY, with X-Windows support, for LINUX ???

POV is at sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/apps/graphics/rays/.

-rw-r--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi      633 May 17 15:02 INDEX
-rwxr--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi      581 Jan 11 03:07 pov2.1.lsm
-rwxr--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi   360450 Feb 15 18:22 povbin-2.2.tar.gz
-rwxr--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi   121132 Feb 15 13:16 povdoc-2.2.tar.gz
-rwxr--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi    80476 Feb 15 13:16 povinc-2.2.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi    14033 Feb 15 18:22 povray-2.2.README
-rwxr--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi      650 Feb 15 13:16 povray-2.2.lsm
-rwxr--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi   456404 Feb 15 13:16 povscn-2.2.tar.gz
-rwxr--r--   1 ewt      ftp-admi   167232 Feb 15 18:22 povsrc-2.2.tar.gz
226 Transfer complete.
1308 bytes received in 0.079 seconds (16 Kbytes/s)
ftp> 257 "/pub/Linux/apps/graphics/rays" is current directory.

I downloaded it and it works like a charm. There are three versions of
POV installed. POVRAY.X supports X; ie. you can render the image and see it
in a window while it it rendering. when it is done, it gets saved to a targa
file.

I don't know if it is supported, but hell, it seems to work fine!

Later......

Mudit Vats...




-- 
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 e-mail   ->   vats@cis.ohio-state.edu    Mudit P. Vats    CIS Eng  <OSU>
============================================================================

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From: green@ids.net
Subject: NTP for Linux?
Date: Sun,  5 Jun 94 11:37:51 GMT

Hi!  I'm looking for an NTP client for Linux - anyone know if there's one
out there?

Andy, green@ids.net

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From: cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Cason)
Subject: Information on POV-Ray (free raytracer w/full source)
Date: 5 Jun 1994 21:08:14 GMT

             Persistence of Vision Raytracer information.

The following message has been placed in this newsgroup because I thought
it may be of some interest/relevance to the readers. It tells you -

  o what POV is
  o what platforms it runs on
  o where to get it via FTP
  o how to get it via email
  o how to be notified of new releases

POV-Ray is a raytracer. It is freely (subject to the conditions given in
POVLEGAL.DOC) distributable copyrighted software. POV is not shareware and
no fee is charged for its use. Please use and enjoy !

POV is widely available via FTP, email, BBS's, Compuserve and other services.
Its current version is 2.2.

POV comes with full source code in 'C' and runs on the following platforms -

  o PC with DOS
  o PC with OS/2
  o PC under Windows (in DOS box)
  o PC with Linux or any other 32-bit Unix.
  o Apple Macintosh.
  o Commodore Amiga.
  o DEC Vax under VMS.
  o DEC Alpha under OpenVMS.
  o DEC Alpha under OSF/1.
  o and basically any other machine that runs Unix. X-Windows is optional.

It should also run OK on most other OS's that support C well (i.e. that
implement the standard 'K&R' C libraries.)

Minimum system configuration for PC's is a 386 with 4mB RAM. A coprocessor
is highly recommended (as it gives a 10x speedup).

A Raytracer allows a non-artistically inclined user to create superb
realistic-looking images. It works by simulating the effect of light on
a user-defined scene that consists of descriptions of objects in geometric
terms. Its input is an english scene file. These can be written by hand or
generated by a scene description program such as Moray or Povcad.

For an example of what can be done with POV, please retrieve some of the files
in pub/povray/HALL_OF_FAME at uniwa (as described below) and view them with a
GIF, TGA or JPEG viewer. I'd particularly recommend our current IOTM in
pub/povray/Images_of_the_month and also museum.jpg in pub/povray/HALL_OF_FAME.

POV can also be used to create animations with the assistance of animation
utilities such as RTAG (dos), AERO (X-Windows) and Moover (Mac). Check out
the animation subdirectory at uniwa for some examples.

*************************************************************************

HOW TO GET POV VIA FTP

There is a new official POV distribution site at uniwa.uwa.edu.au.

This site has become quite active and holds many POV scene files and utilities
as well as POV itself, including binaries for DOS, Mac and OS/2. We have a
HALL_OF_FAME subdirectory with some superb examples of ray-traced art, as well
as a Images_of_the_month subdirectory with this month's featured image(s).

To retrieve files, FTP to uniwa.uwa.edu.au and cd to pub/povray. Please
retrieve the files 'povinf.doc', 'CONTENTS_PLEASE_READ', and 'index'.

*************************************************************************

HOW TO OBTAIN POV-RAY, POV UTILITIES, POV IMAGE AND POV SCENE FILES VIA EMAIL

In response to requests from those who cannot access the uniwa.uwa.edu.au
POV-Ray site via FTP, a file mailing service has been set up that enables
requesters to obtain uuencoded files via email.

To use the service, please email povmail@uniwa.uwa.edu.au with a message
containing the word -

  HELP

on the first line.

The subject of the message is unimportant. What IS important is that the
belowmentioned commands be the very FIRST thing to appear in the message.

You should then receive a help file indicating how to use the service.
A list of files can be obtained by using the commands -

  SEND CONTENTS (long form, less complete list) and
  SEND INDEX    (short form, more complete list).

You can have multiple commands in each message.

NOTE that some of the requests received at the above site have contained
invalid addresses, so the replies have bounced. If you don't hear anything
from us after several attempts and several days, this is probably why.
Try placing a message in comp.graphics.raytracing and ask us about it.
Please remember that we probably can't mail you.

*************************************************************************

HOW TO BE NOTIFIED OF NEW POV RELEASES

As an adjunct to the above site, a mailer has been set up which permits file
requests to be made by email, and which also manages a mailing list.

The site and the list itself is maintained by a member of the POV-Team.

You can request that your name be placed on one or both of the POV mailing
lists. These are not normal mailing lists in that you cannot submit messages
for them ; only the POV-Team can. The lists are as follows -

  ANNOUNCE    Used when new releases of POV are made. This includes
              POV-related items from the POV-Team, such as the soon-to-be
              released hypertext help system.

  NEWS        Used to send new issues of POV-News and anything else relevant
              to POV, such as new publications, magazine articles, etc.

Volume on both of these lists will be extremely low ; perhaps only one message
per month if even that. This is the easiest way for POV users to be informed
of patches, bug fixes, new releases, new features, release dates for new
versions and the actual release of new versions.

To join these lists, mail a message to -

  povmail@uniwa.uwa.edu.au

The subject of the message is unimportant. What IS important is that the
belowmentioned commands be the very FIRST thing to appear in the message.

In the body of the message, place the commands -

  JOIN ANNOUNCE         (to join the announce mailing list)
  JOIN NEWS             (to join the news mailing list)

    - or -

  JOIN ALL              (to join both)

You should receive a reply indicating that your request was successful.
If you don't, please try again. For more information, please mail the above
address with a message containing the word -

  HELP

on the first line.

NOTE that some of the requests received at the above site have contained
invalid addresses, so the replies have bounced. If you don't hear anything
from us after several attempts and several days, this is probably why.
Try placing a message in comp.graphics.raytracing and ask us about it.
Please remember that we probably can't mail you.

--

==============================================================================
|             Chris Cason via the University of Western Australia            |
|                        cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au                        |
==============================================================================

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From: kenf@clark.net (Ken Firestone)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Modem reliability under linux
Date: 5 Jun 1994 21:40:02 GMT

Frank Volf (volf@eb.ele.tue.nl) wrote:

: Hello,

: I would like to share some of my experiences in using a modem under
: linux and dos. My feeling is (but I can't prove it) that under
: dos modem operations are much more reliable than under linux (to
: the same remote site, with the same options and chat scripts).

My experiences are the opposite. Under Linux, (Slackware 1.2) and
Seyon, I seem to get the best response, and most reliable uploads and
downloads. Under dos and telix, things seem to work a little less
well. Both cases are using a US Robotics Sportster 14.4 modem with
error correction.

At work I only have a 2400 baud modem, no error correction. With telix
things are sort of ok, but I sometimes have errors on long downloads.
When I use Procomm (Plus) Nothing seems to work right. errors all over
the place, often bad enough to log me off.

--

============================================================================
Ken Firestone, N3JBU     | If you look at things right, its best not to know 
kenf@clark.net           | who you really are. Because anything that happens 
                         | to anybody who doesn't know who he really is 
                         | actually happens to somebody else. So it makes no 
                         | difference at all. -- Nelson Algren.  
============================================================================

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From: dan@oea.hacktic.nl
Subject: Re: [Q] Where can I find MOTIF for Linux
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 16:48:36 GMT

The Graphical Gnome (rdb@ktibv.uucp) wrote:
: Hay all,

: Where can I find the libraries and include files, needed to compile 
: MOTIF sources. A source was posted for linux with motif, the question
: is how to compile it.

Motif is a commercial product. If still interested contact either:

info@sequoia.com
info@metrolink.com

-- 
|< Dan Naas        dan@oea.hacktic.nl >|
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From: dan@oea.hacktic.nl
Subject: Re: Cheap printer for Linux
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 16:54:28 GMT

Tamas Badics (badics@rutcor.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: Hi Everybody,

: I'd like to buy a relatively cheap printer for my linux machine. 
: Most of the time I'll print dvi or postscript files. I was wondering if I 
: buy a non-postscript printer, are there any software which makes it possible?

: I was thinking about getting a printer like Canon BJ-200, or similar.
: What is your oppinion? 

I use an Epson Stylus 800. It produced laser quality output (360x360 dpi).
I'm very satisfied with it but maybe you should take a look at the latest
HP inkjet models. They sport 600x300 dpi resolution and the prices seem
to be reasonable.

-- 
|< Dan Naas        dan@oea.hacktic.nl >|
+--------------------------------------+

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