Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #219
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 5 Jun 94 14:13:06 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #219, Volume #2                 Sun, 5 Jun 94 14:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  lpr - Broken Pipe [was: more - Broken Pipe] (Chris Lawrence Amshey)
  Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux (David W. Berry)
  Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux (Joe Pannon)
  login from cmd line.... poop! (Anton Toom)
  Open letter to SW Technology (Jim Kunert)
  Re: Modem reliability under linux (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Salvatore Denaro)
  Re: Q-Logic VLB SCSI card? (Mike Battersby)
  Re: limmit users HD space (David Luyer)
  Re: [emergency] How to use virtual console in X (CHRISTOPHER M MAY)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Ed Thomson)
  Re: login from cmd line.... poop! (Ed Thomson)
  Re: Modem reliability under linux (Norbert J. Girardi)
  HELP !! Linux and Slip (sparks@bah.com)
  Re: System calls (Louis-D. Dubeau)
  WWW and dual monitors (Michael E. Mendis)

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From: amshey@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Chris Lawrence Amshey)
Subject: lpr - Broken Pipe [was: more - Broken Pipe]
Date: 5 Jun 1994 03:05:20 -0400

In article <2snf4e$nib@hasle.oslonett.no>,
Hans Petter Fasteng <hansp@oslonett.no> wrote:
>   I am not getting this when using more, but if I try to print with lpr I
>get it if the file is larger then 1 mb.  Mabye it is a bug?? I asked around
>here but no one was able to fix or give me a tip of how to fix it.  I finaly
>solved the problem using the -s siwth to lpr, but this was only a solution
>for now, since the file can not be edited or in anny whay while printing.
>
> -hans  
>...
> * ATP/Linux 1.42 * No one test the depth of a river with both feet.
>                                                   
I am just now configuring my printer setup, and I think that the
problem is probably that the default max-size is 1000 blocks. Your
blocks are probably 1024 bytes, thus after one meg it gives up...
depending on how it gives up, or how you are calling lpr, 
(like, groff foobar | lpr) it could be your cause. Try editing
your printcap entry and setting mx=2000 and see if it won't handle
files up to 2 megs then. You CAN (supposedly) set mx=0 and have
no limit, but it might not be a good idea. 
                --Chris



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From: dwb@netcom.com (David W. Berry)
Subject: Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 07:11:19 GMT

In article <1994Jun5.003128.494@drjazz.demon.co.uk> stephens@drjazz.demon.co.uk (Stephen Soghoian) writes:
>
> 
>Hi There
>I am a Linux newbie. Id like to get an internal tape drive that
>works well with both MS-DOS and Linux. Several people have said
>to avoid the Colorado 120 or 240MB. 
  I'll second that notion.  I got the colorado 250 and couldn't get it
to work under DOS, much less under linux.

>
>Has anyone got experience with the Conner 250MB drive?
>Or any other recommendations for moderate price drives that
>work with the minimum of hassle?
  The conner dropped right in and worked first time in both DOS
and Linux.  Gets my vote.

-- 

David W. Berry          dwb@netcom.com                  Greenwing Enterprises

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From: danubius@chinook.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon)
Subject: Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux
Date: 5 Jun 1994 07:55:24 GMT

In article <2srsbj$h9r@cyberspace.com>,
Joe Julian <jjulian@cyberspace.com> wrote:
>
>The Conner 250 works quite well with Linux (I have an entry in my 
>crontabs that backs up my user path nightly on to one.)  For DOS
>however, Conner Backup Basics (CBB) is obnoxious.  It only backs
>up local DOS drives, and only does full backups.  If this isn't

I kinda' like the Archive XL 5580i internal floppy-based tape drives
which work well both under DOS with the QICstream backup software
and with Linux /dev/ftape. Archive is now part of Conner but they still
may carry these XL drives under the Archive designation.
The QICstream utility has good scripting capability and can back up
multiple drives in one pass.  I had no problems with it.  The newer,
faster Archive models are probably even better.

Joe Pannon

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From: ontonca@the-college.iwctx.edu (Anton Toom)
Subject: login from cmd line.... poop!
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 06:05:15 GMT

did anyone try to type login [username]  from cmd line? it lets you
login alright, but the uid stays the same!!! exec /bin/login (yepp,
w/o exec it forks!!!) does the same thing!  any thoughts?

please reply via email as i will not be able to find your followups...
i'll post digest if anyone wants (i'm sure you do, but still....)
write if you have anythoughts, or even if not.

P.S. hey! i got a crezee idea! lets count the number of linux systems
     in the world!!!

-- 
+---------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| 1. Smile, tomorrow will be worse.           |   Sysadm of the Zoo-Station   |
| 2. Smile, it's a nice day and you're alive. | ontonca@the-college.iwctx.edu |
+---------------------------------------------+-------------------------------+

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From: exe00047@vnet.net (Jim Kunert)
Subject: Open letter to SW Technology
Date: 5 Jun 1994 04:36:48 -0400

To Mr. Marvin Wu, of SW Technology,

Mr. Wu,

    I am greatly disappointed by your company's service. As you know, on 
May 24th, I sent email asking for a quote for a system I wanted to buy. 
In this request, I specified components from the sales literature on your 
account at Netcom, asking for a total price for a VISA purchase, and when 
you would ship this particular system once you had the order. Thank you 
again for your prompt reply, stating the total price, your FAX number, so 
I could order more easily, and your statement that "It'll be shipped within 
a week of a firm order". As you know, I immediatly faxed my order to you, 
with my VISA info. So far, so good, so I settled in to await the email you 
so kindly agreed to send to let me know when you shipped. NOW, as you ALSO 
know, within a few days, my card was charged in full. My first thought was 
"Great! They shipped already! He forgot the email, but that's cool." On day 
8 after my order, I emailed you, asking about the status of my order which, 
you had assured me, would ship "within one week". Now comes the fun. After 
getting my quote request, you appear to have blindly answered rather than 
checking, and therefore you had a problem getting the monitor. Sir, if you 
don't have what you need in stock to build a system, you should never give 
a firm shipping date. Now you say I will have it "within 10 work days after 
the order". Well, sir, you have already promised shipping within one week, 
and missed, so why should I believe you can ship in two weeks? The very least 
you should have done is to email me that there was a problem, and shipping 
would be delayed. That is the BARE minimum, since you have had my money for a 
week, already. I, however, had to contact you to find out what was going on. 
When you are dealing with thousands of dollars, I think the customer pretty 
much buys the right to know what's going on with their order, and should be 
kept informed. Please be advised, Mr. Wu, that if you have not shipped by 3PM, 
central time, on Monday, June 6th, and informed me via email, I will be 
visiting my attorney, right after calling Citibank, to see what can be done 
about this matter.

Sincerely,

James F. Kunert
KUNERTJ@delphi.com

P.S. Be assured that when/if this system arrives, the first thing I will be 
doing is popping the case to make sure it is exactly as ordered.

                             Have a Nice Day  :-)



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Modem reliability under linux
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 09:23:25 GMT

In <2sqbkp$en6@ebs.eb.ele.tue.nl> volf@eb.ele.tue.nl (Frank Volf) writes:

>Hello,

>I would like to share some of my experiences in using a modem under
>linux and dos. My feeling is (but I can't prove it) that under
>dos modem operations are much more reliable than under linux (to
>the same remote site, with the same options and chat scripts).

>I use linux 1.08 (slackware) with taylor uucp 1.05 and minicom 1.5B.
>Under dos I use SM-DOS 6.2, uupc 1.12b and telix. I made the following
>observations:

You don't mention what kind of modem you use...

My ZyXEL U-1496E+ is extremely reliable under Linux (connected to a
16550A equipped COM port).  I use a SCSI disk.

There is a problem with using IDE drives, which can be fixed with the
IDE performance enhancement patch.  Be careful, it is known to destroy
disk data on some disks.  Backup first.

However, this is not a problem similar to what you mention.  That looks
more like an unreliable COM port.   Check if your system has its bus
running at a frequency near to 8 MHz, not much higher.
(usually you can find something like a "bus clock divider" in the
advanced CMOS setup menu, which would be set to 4 on a system with a
33MHz CPU.   33/4 = 8.25 MHz busclock)

Rob
-- 
=========================================================================
| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
=========================================================================

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 09:25:17 GMT

In <1994Jun5.003128.494@drjazz.demon.co.uk> stephens@drjazz.demon.co.uk (Stephen Soghoian) writes:


> 
>Hi There
>I am a Linux newbie. Id like to get an internal tape drive that
>works well with both MS-DOS and Linux. Several people have said
>to avoid the Colorado 120 or 240MB. 

>Has anyone got experience with the Conner 250MB drive?
>Or any other recommendations for moderate price drives that
>work with the minimum of hassle?

Try to find a QIC-02 or SCSI tape.  150/250MB units are often sold at
low prices, as 525MB and higher are the norm today.
Such drives are a joy compared to "floppy tape" drives.

Rob
-- 
=========================================================================
| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
=========================================================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: denaro09@darwin.poly.edu (Salvatore Denaro)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 16:14:15 GMT

In article <xmsb.770665722@druid.borland.com>,
the MOST SIGNIFICANT bit <xmsb@borland.com> wrote:
>dmarples@voyager.comms.eee.strath.ac.uk (David Marples) writes:
>
>>forward in competing with the likes of NT...

I would love to see a Linux "Server" package, 

        NFS to share disks
        SQL server with support for ODBC
        POP mail.
        A cool Netware like admin shell..

If anyone is working on a free SQL server, I would love
to help (I would like to learn to write a ODBC driver...
have to start somewhere...)
>
>    who's competing?

I like the fact that there are so many options... I would hate
to see a one OS, one lang, one system world.
>
>    I don't get it.  NT is not a bad thing if I don't have
>    to use it, but can run linux instead.  On the other hand,
>    there is room for NT and linux to coexist (well, not on
>    the same harddrive :) ), just as there is room for netbsd,
>
I saw a system with linux, win3, os/2 and chicago as boot options.
the horror... the horror...

-- 
Sal Denaro, denaro09@darwin.poly.edu     
Live fast, Die young, Hack C++      Sex, Drugs and OS/2


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From: mike@starbug.apana.org.au (Mike Battersby)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Q-Logic VLB SCSI card?
Date: 5 Jun 1994 01:40:40 +1000

cas@muffin.apana.org.au (Craig Sanders) writes:
>Does anyone know if the QLOGIC VLB SCSI card is supported by the Linux
>kernel?

Apparently the driver is being developed, but has been in such a state
for some time and may be so for some time to come.  I'd stick with the
Buslogic.

 - Mike

-- 
  Mike Battersby   <mike@starbug.apana.org.au>   <mib@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au>
          CompSci honours student, Linux user and part time beggar.
           GCS d-(--) p c++ l++(+++) u+ e+ m+@ s+/- n+(---) h--(*)
                           f-- !g w+ t++@ r(+) y?

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From: luyer@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (David Luyer)
Subject: Re: limmit users HD space
Date: 5 Jun 1994 13:21:25 GMT

Hans Petter Fasteng (hansp@oslonett.no) wrote:
: Is it possible to set a limit on a users available diskspace under linux,
: without making a partition for each user?

Certainly.  That's just what quotas are for :-)
It's on one of the Slackware install disks.

: -hans  
: ...
:  * ATP/Linux 1.42 * The fish in the sea are as good as the fish removed.
:                                                       

--
........................................................................

"Apples have been a problem ever since Eden."

"Electrons are tiny little particles you can only see if you have been
 drinking."

........................................................................

luyer@lethe.uwa.edu.au
luyer@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
luyer@mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au
luyer@marlin.gu.uwa.edu.au
luyer@mudskipper.gu.edu.au
luyer@mulloway.uwa.edu.au (eventually)
luyer@ucc.gu.edu.au
luyer@Wombat

.............................................................David Luyer

>>>>>>>>>>>> This message made from 100% recycled electrons <<<<<<<<<<<<

........................................................................

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From: cmay@titan.ucs.umass.edu (CHRISTOPHER M MAY)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [emergency] How to use virtual console in X
Date: 5 Jun 1994 13:51:24 GMT

Ziniu "Michael" Wei (ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: For non-X cases, I can switch virtual console using Alt-F<num>.  If I
: run X, I can use Alt-Ctl-F<num> to swich AWAY from X, but when switch
: BACK to the virtual console that starts X, I can only get the ascii
: display.  How to get the X back?

: Please send me mail.  I desperately need you help.  

: Thank you.

: --
: Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
: Rule # 1:  Network *is* computer

Under most kernels (unless you edit the source and recompile)
you can hit ALT-F7 to get back to X.

X takes the first VC which does not have getty running on it.

--

-Chris May, Computer Science, University of MA, Amherst
-       Technical Assistant, P.C. Maintenance Lab


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From: ethomson@amazon.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ed Thomson)
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: 5 Jun 1994 15:08:43 GMT

TExIS (UK) RC (texukrc@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote:

> Michael_Forster@Fidonet 2:252/108 (feed via 2:25/54)
> Michael_Forster@s108.n252.z2.fidonet.org
                  ^ should be an "f" there.

--
Ed Thomson - ethomson@ncsa.uiuc.edu - ChemViz project, NCSA

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From: ethomson@amazon.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ed Thomson)
Subject: Re: login from cmd line.... poop!
Date: 5 Jun 1994 15:21:25 GMT

Anton Toom (ontonca@the-college.iwctx.edu) wrote:
> did anyone try to type login [username]  from cmd line? it lets you
> login alright, but the uid stays the same!!! exec /bin/login (yepp,
> w/o exec it forks!!!) does the same thing!  any thoughts?

I've never had this problem before, but when I run login from the cmd line
twice, it did barf on me.

[logged in as root from getty]
sanitarium [10:17am] /home/root# set |grep "uid"
uid     0
sanitarium [10:17am] /home/root# login ethomson
sanitarium [10:18am] /home/ethomson> set |grep "uid"
uid     11
sanitarium [10:18am] /home/ethomson> login root
Password:
> set |grep "uid"
uid     11
> logout


That's kinda odd.  To say the least. :)  

--
Ed Thomson - ethomson@ncsa.uiuc.edu 
GU d-(---) -p+ c++(++++) l++ u++ e m+(++) s++/++ n--- h f+ g- w+(+++) t+ r y?

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: girardi@rniil.rni.sub.org (Norbert J. Girardi)
Subject: Re: Modem reliability under linux
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 08:22:50 GMT

Frank Volf (volf@eb.ele.tue.nl) wrote:

: Hello,

: I would like to share some of my experiences in using a modem under
: linux and dos. My feeling is (but I can't prove it) that under
: dos modem operations are much more reliable than under linux (to
: the same remote site, with the same options and chat scripts).

[ snip ]

: These experiences added up (over a period of at least a month) make me
: believe that my modem does not work reliable under linux. Unfortunately,
: I have no clue, how to solve (or test) this problem. Any help would be
: appreciated.

Get hold of the Serial.HOWTO, read it, try to understand it,
set your box up according to it and then come back and ask your 
questions. 
And make sure to give at least *some* technical details of your box
like: 

What type of UARTS do you have e.g 8250, 16450, 16550A (FIFO), ...?
What type and speed of CPU has your box?
Is your box swapping like hell while downloading?
Is CTS/RTS set instead of XON/XOFF?

Even with a kernel compile running, me reading news while "tin -U" is
redoing the index files, my TUUCP transfer at 38400bps DTE / 14400 bps Modem
is *NOT* missing a single beat.
That is on a 486/33 with 16550A UARTS and 8 MB phisical RAM
and 16 MB swap.
 


- Norbert

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SSSQSS  Q       Voice: +49 621 493417 (h) +49 621 381-3260 (w)
   QQQQQQ  If you know how to REPAIR YOUR SQUARE :-) drop me a line

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From: sparks@bah.com
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: HELP !! Linux and Slip
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 94 11:57:37 PDT


I have loaded and unloaded Linux (SLS via disk and Ygg via CD) Is ther any 
place I can get a simple (?) where it is and what it does and how to use it for 
the slip and networking ????
I am currently using a slip connection from DOS with Chameleon 4.0. God, it 
would be wonderfull if X could support such a smooth interface......Help me out 
folks, Please, just the name of a book or an FTP site and file name. 
Wine ( from what I've read ) is looking better and better !!!!Thanks, 



Charley Sparks
sparks@bah.com

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From: hallu@boole.info.polymtl.ca (Louis-D. Dubeau)
Subject: Re: System calls
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 16:52:32 GMT

>>>>> "JB" == Jean-Hugues BOUCHARD <bouchard@info.polymtl.ca> writes:

    JB>         Hi, I curious about Linux. Specifially about system
    JB> calls. Are they interrupts, far calls or something else? I
    JB> want to know also if the BIOS is use. I think it's not because
    JB> it does not support multitasking but maybe somes features are
    JB> use.

Linux syscalls are int 0x80 traps. It uses only the BIOS at the very
beginning of the boot sequence. The BIOS routines were made for a
monotasking 8086 so they are not of much use to a 80386 multitasking
OS. For what I know, you have to switch to real mode before using them
and setp buffers in the 0-1MB region call the damn thing and then
switch back to protected mode. Very inefficient.

Maybe you should take a look at the Linux Kernel Hacking guide. It is
available at sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/LPD/khg-something (more or
less... my memory is bad).

    JB>         Thank in advance for any information

De rien... :)

|              Louis-Dominique Dubeau <hallu@info.polymtl.ca>
|Computer Engineering, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal (Montreal, Quebec)
|Linux single server project (http://boole.info.polymtl.ca:1500/~hallu/)
|                     -> This sentence is false!!! <-

--
|              Louis-Dominique Dubeau <hallu@info.polymtl.ca>
|Computer Engineering, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal (Montreal, Quebec)
|Linux single server project (http://boole.info.polymtl.ca:1500/~hallu/)
|                     -> This sentence is false!!! <-

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From: mmendis@splinter.coe.neu.edu (Michael E. Mendis)
Subject: WWW and dual monitors
Date: 05 Jun 1994 17:53:43 GMT

I noticed on sunsite that they seemed of removed the mosiac from the directory (/pub/Linux/system/Network/info-systems/'  They had zmosiac*.lzh.   Does anyone know of another place which had it for linuz.  I know the home site for mosiac had it but they have the make file for various othter unix plateforms besides linux (sun, ibm, hp, dec)  

Also on sunite they have an old version of a program which will allow linux to use adual monitor.  (one for VGA and one for text)  This version if for linux v99.l14(?)  I am currently running linux 1.1.0.  If anyone has a newer version can you please e-mail it to me, or tell me where I can find it.

thanks
mike

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