Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #218
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Date:     Sun, 5 Jun 94 03:15:35 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #218, Volume #2                 Sun, 5 Jun 94 03:15:35 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM (Stephen Parkinson)
  Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux (Stephen Soghoian)
  Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13 (Dances With Geeks)
  Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13 (Dances With Geeks)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Dances With Geeks)
  Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi C (Dances With Geeks)
  Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM (Stephen Parkinson)
  Net Support for Intel 8/16? (Jake Colman)
  gettimeofday (Leung Danny Pui Fun)
  Re: What are Bogo-Mips? (Wim van Dorst)
  Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM! (Stephen Vance)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Ken Cheung)
  Re: Csound for PC/Windows? (Long-haired and weird - yet not quite a MESSIAH)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software ("TExIS (UK RC"))
  Linux for the world? (Robert Ashcroft)
  [2 Qs] how to mount 1) Sony CD31a 2) HPFS partition (Carsten Whimster)
  [emergency] How to use virtual console in X (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (Patrick Chase)
  Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux (Joe Julian)
  Sound Blaster SCSI-2 (Eric Jui-Lin Lu)
  Re: Linux for the world? (H. Peter Anvin)

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From: Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk (Stephen Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM
Reply-To: Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 00:04:43 +0000

In article <1994Jun4.142446.10124@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
> In article <770722895snx@zmemw16.demon.co.uk>, Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk says:
> +---------------
> | TA & YGGD I suspect would be very pleased to receive Jana cdrom's,
> | just to get them out of circulation.
> +------------->8
> 
> You mean there actually *are* Jana CDROMs in circulation?  :-) :-)
> 
> ++Brandon
> -- 
> Brandon S. Allbery       kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
> The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

hey, i've have started a rumour ;-)

Stephen Parkinson

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From: stephens@drjazz.demon.co.uk (Stephen Soghoian)
Subject: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 00:31:28 +0000


 
Hi There
I am a Linux newbie. Id like to get an internal tape drive that
works well with both MS-DOS and Linux. Several people have said
to avoid the Colorado 120 or 240MB. 

Has anyone got experience with the Conner 250MB drive?
Or any other recommendations for moderate price drives that
work with the minimum of hassle?

Thanks in Advance.

Stephen Soghoian
stephens@drjazz.demon.co.uk

-- 
Stephen Soghoian
Yank in London
stephens@drjazz.demon.co.uk

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From: lilo@slip-2-28 (Dances With Geeks)
Subject: Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13
Date: 4 Jun 1994 01:45:16 GMT

On 27 May 1994 00:27:38 -0400, Robert Sanders (gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:

> Hey, I like being able to use utilities I compiled long ago for
> different kernel versions!  I love the proc stuff!  I don't run
> 'ps' a thousand times a second, so speed doesn't matter!  Whoo-hoo!

Hmmm, my procps doesn't work either, since I upgraded.  I'm sure a patch
will fix it.  ;)

Also, I don't run ps a thousand times a second.  But I do like to run top
once every ten seconds or so, and it takes 20+% of my processor time. 
That's bad.

> One strike against the kmem suite, one for the proc suite.  Guys,
> rather than expending energy to run in place with the kmem suite,
> why don't you enhance the proc suite to do what you want?  What?
> Too logical?  No chance to bitch?  Never mind, then.

No one is bitching.  We're just hoping the author will get around to us. 

Please don't write these argumentative articles unless you *really* like to
get people upset for no good reason.  ;)


lilo

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From: lilo@slip-2-28 (Dances With Geeks)
Subject: Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13
Date: 4 Jun 1994 01:47:28 GMT

On Fri, 3 Jun 1994 00:43:05 GMT, Simon Ferrett (c9108932@peach.newcastle.edu.au) wrote:

> ok it seems there are quite a few of us kmem lovers - in fact some kind
> person posted to the kernel mailing list a big patch which I applied`
> and it worked tremendously.  When I get home I will tidy the sources`
> up a bit and upoad them to sunsites incoming dir as
> kmem-ps-1.1.13.tar.gz then we can all enjoy.

Heavens!  I tried to apply it and failed miserably.  I wonder what I did
wrong, and how much sleep I'd gotten the previous night? :)

> my apologies to the person who did the patch, I dont have the mail
> floating around and I cant remember who it was so I'm unable to fully
> credit you here.  Top job.`

Thank you!  And thanks to the person who did the patch.  :)


lilo

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From: lilo@slip-2-28 (Dances With Geeks)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: 4 Jun 1994 01:56:02 GMT

On 3 Jun 94 10:20:32, David Marples (dmarples@voyager.comms.eee.strath.ac.uk) wrote:

> BTW: Haven't we already done this thread?

Yes, children, complete with stupid insults for all concerned.

You are all sentenced to use OS/2.  :)


lilo

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From: lilo@slip-2-28 (Dances With Geeks)
Subject: Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi C
Date: 4 Jun 1994 02:01:57 GMT

On Thu, 2 Jun 1994 03:57:17 GMT, Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.com) wrote:

> : > Well, compare Xemacs (aka UoI/Lucid emacs) with v19 emacs.

> : > I guess there are diferent kinds of professionals as well as
> : > different kinds of volunteers.

> : I would, if I could, but I suspect I can't afford it. ;)

> Lucid emacs can be freely copied as it still resides under the GPL.

That's good, then it's probably just the overhead of learning and running
emacs I can't afford.  ;)

I'm just not an emacs enthusiast....but there's room for everyone's
preferences, right? :)


lilo

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From: Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk (Stephen Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM
Reply-To: Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 01:52:43 +0000

In article <CquE6D.BMo@focus-systems.on.ca> heinz@focus-systems.on.ca (Heinz Wolter) writes:
> In article <1994May31.074321.20889@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au> iap@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Ian Parkin) writes:
> >: Traans Ameritech Competitive Upgrades.
> >: Does this offer include customers who want to send in previous versions
> >: of your CD (volume 2) to get the upgrade for $20 ?
> >
> >The ad stated '.. ANY OLD CDROM Software Title in ANY condition ..'.
> >
> >Therefore you can feel justified in putting your CD-ROM through any and all
> >treatments before you post it off to them. I recommend a thermal lance and an
> >industrial sand-blaster, but enough of my personal problems.
> >
> This doesn't begin to describe what I want to do the CDROM I got
> from JANA ! The wretched DOS crap and stupid browser... That 9.95$CAN
> disk cost me more than 30$ ! But that was the expedited (6 weeks!) 
> shipping. I wonder if Jay is still alive somwehere... devising new 
> excuses, getting his CDROMS stolen from the back of his van...
> I think that TA and YGGD should specifically NOT accept Jana disks!
>  -heinz
>
I cancelled my order(s) from Jana.

TA & YGGD I suspect would be very pleased to receive Jana cdrom's,
just to get them out of circulation.
 
Stephen Parkinson

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: jcolman@lehman.com (Jake Colman)
Subject: Net Support for Intel 8/16?
Reply-To: jcolman@lehman.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 21:42:17 GMT


Are drivers available for the Intel 8/16 LAN Adapter?  There is no mention of it
i8n the FAQ or the Installation Guide.  My understanding, however, is that drivers
are in development for cards that may not have been mentioned.  Where can I look
for this?

Thanx!

...Jake


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From: puifunle@hkuxb.hku.hk (Leung Danny Pui Fun)
Subject: gettimeofday
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 17:38:45 GMT

Hi there,

I've a program that use gettimeofday(2) function and I found
that I always get zero time. Does anyone knows if gettimeofday
works? I'm using 1.1.18 and libc4.5.26.

Thanks in advanced.

Danny


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From: baron@clifton.hobby.nl (Wim van Dorst)
Subject: Re: What are Bogo-Mips?
Date: Sat,  4 Jun 94 17:44:50 MDT

Andy Spiegl wrote:
    } I am sligthly worried, because most of
    } my pals get a value of 16 - 33 Bogmips 
    } (on 486sx, dx-33, dx-66) sometimes even if they
    } use standard ISA-configurations.
    } I have an 486-33dx VLB and get only 5.27.
    } Must I trash my machine or is the
    } Bogomips-value of no significance?

You must not trash your machine, yet. Better to
properly turn on caching (turbo button), and 
start checking your RAM shadowing. If you set 
your machine right, you should have something
around 16 with a 486DX/33. 

Read the BogoMips Howto document, available
from the normal archive sites, for more info
about BogoMips.

Met vriendelijke groeten, Wim van Dorst
--
=====================================================================
Blue Baron = Wim van Dorst, Voice (+31) 074-443937, (+31) 02152-42319
(-:        baron@clifton.hobby.nl           WvD@Akzo.nl           :-)
=====================================================================

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From: srvance@unix.secs.oakland.edu (Stephen Vance)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM!
Date: 4 Jun 1994 06:30:03 GMT

In article <CqMtnH.IqF@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster) writes:
>Sounds neat. The upgrade offer sounds like you can send in any old
>CD-ROM you don't use any more, but I imagine it has to be a LINUX
>CD-ROM?
>
>Does anyone have any experience with these people? How are they? Is
>the CD worth it ($20 or ~$40, I guess)? How is this compared to the
>Walnut Creek stuff?
>-- 
InfoMagic has a $25 (including shipping) double CD set that has six
distributions, images of sunsite and tsx, and more.  And you don't
have to go through the hassle and expense of sending them an old CD!

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: cs_ken@uxmail.ust.hk (Ken Cheung)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 00:59:37 GMT

Seems already patched.  I get it from a mirrored ftp site....but not unpack it
yet.  To many files. Just give the listing for you first :

-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely        581 May 28 18:27 pov2.1.lsm
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely     360465 May 28 18:32 povbin-2.2.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely     121147 May 28 18:33 povdoc-2.2.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely      80491 May 28 18:34 povinc-2.2.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely      14033 May 28 18:34 povray-2.2.README
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely        650 May 28 18:34 povray-2.2.lsm
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely     456419 May 28 18:40 povscn-2.2.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely     167247 May 28 18:41 povsrc-2.2.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely        954 May 28 18:41 pvquant-1.60.lsm
-rw-r--r--   1 ken      lovely      28827 May 28 18:42 pvquant-1.60.tar.gz

And the index file :
/pub/Linux/apps/graphics/rays (INDEX)
==============================================================================
povbin-2.2.tar.gz        bins for the povray ray tracer
povdoc-2.2.tar.gz        docs and demos for povray
povinc-2.2.tar.gz        incluce files for povray
povscn-2.2.tar.gz        screens for povray
povsrc-2.2.tar.gz        source for povray
pvquant-1.60.tgz         a util for creating animations from povray [bin]

Just can't remember the site name. ftp-ed too long ago.

Ken
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(Pata Pata Peppy)
+------------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
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|                                          | Email : cs_ken@cs.ust.hk        |
|   Accept hardship as a pathway to peace. | Hong Kong University of Sci&Tech|
+------------------------------------------+---------------------------------+

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Crossposted-To: comp.music
From: hhuynh@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Long-haired and weird - yet not quite a MESSIAH)
Subject: Re: Csound for PC/Windows?
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 04:46:07 GMT


        Is there support for Linux yet?  Or did anyone get it to compile
correctly for Linux?

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From: texukrc@cix.compulink.co.uk ("TExIS (UK) RC")
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 00:43:41 GMT

I Have the complete listing of RIP commands if you would like to get a 
copy sent to you.
or you could pick it up from me on my Fidonet BBS.
either call +44-494-765199 or +44-956-702224 24 Hours - up to 14400 baud.

or mail me on either
texukrc@cix.compulink.co.uk or
Michael_Forster@Fidonet 2:252/108 (feed via 2:25/54)
(I can't remember the complete coding for internet path but it goes 
something like this)
Michael_Forster@s108.n252.z2.fidonet.org

Mike Forster.


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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Linux for the world?
Date: 5 Jun 1994 05:53:12 GMT

In article <dhdCqt245.4st@netcom.com>, David H Dennis <dhd@netcom.com> wrote:
>Mike Austin (cman@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Sometime soon I would like to start a small UseNet and E-Mail provider
>: service.  I have been reading about Suns and 486 UNIXs, and have some
>: questions about the Linux side.
>
>Ah, what this really means is that you've been using Netcom and you're fed
>up with its service.  "Surely I can do better than THIS!" you say.  :-)
>
>Well, yes.
>
>I'm doing the same basic thing, and I'm thinking of starting up a FAQ and/or
>mailing list on this subject.  If you want to call my system, which currently
>uses Netcom UUCP for its connection, you can call (818) 997-7500.  It has
>some pretty interesting ideas in it.

I am very interested in the mechanics of this too.  Not because I want
to compete with Netcom or anyone else in the US.

I think Linux has great potential in developing countries.  It is free,
which makes it affordable ;-) it includes the source, which means that
there is technology transfer (and silences anyone complaining about the
evil imperialist west screwing over the third world) it runs on fairly
generic and cheap hardware so you are not tied to one of those evil
imperialistic, etc, companies, and so forth.

Moreover Linus is Finnish, which doesn't hurt.  No one thinks the Finns
are out to conquer the world (maybe they're just more subtle than the
rest of us.  Perhaps Linux is part of their secret plan for world
domination.  Anyone have strange urges to sauna after using Linux?)

Linux would be an excellent way to bring computerization and USENET to
developing countries.  In particular you could link various third-world
governments to international bodies (e.g. UN, World Bank, etc)
for easy exchange of development data.

It would be a great way to bring UUCP style networks to developing nations
too.  In some ways this would be a very subversive act, since many
governments do not want their people communicating freely with the world
or with each other.  While that's not my prime motivation, it does have
a certain appeal...

I could see international development organizations going for this in
a big way if it were presented to them correctly.  I hope to finish
a PhD in Finance from Stanford in another six months, and I expect that
this qualification will open a few doors for me, plus one of my advisors
knows some very big people (like the head of the President's Council
of Economic Advisors).

I'd be interested in comments, in pointers to resources and information.
(Yes, I do use Linux already on my own computer).

RNA




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From: bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster)
Subject: [2 Qs] how to mount 1) Sony CD31a 2) HPFS partition
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 05:26:36 GMT

Hi all,

I have looked and looked, but I can't find the relevant FAQ, info, or
How-to. Could someone please point me in the right direction, either
documentation-wise, or with an answer?

thank you,

-- 
===================================================================
Carsten Whimster              --- EDM/2 Associate Editor
bcrwhims@uwaterloo.ca         --- EDM/2 Book Review columnist
                              --- TEAM-OS/2

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: [emergency] How to use virtual console in X
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 05:15:20 GMT

For non-X cases, I can switch virtual console using Alt-F<num>.  If I
run X, I can use Alt-Ctl-F<num> to swich AWAY from X, but when switch
BACK to the virtual console that starts X, I can only get the ascii
display.  How to get the X back?

Please send me mail.  I desperately need you help.  

Thank you.

--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
Rule # 1:  Network *is* computer

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From: patrick@sdd.hp.com (Patrick Chase)
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: 5 Jun 1994 06:56:31 GMT

In article <2sh3n4$gvj@vespucci.iquest.com>, racerx@vespucci.iquest.com (Chris Adams) writes:
|> Well, PC Week has Novell using Linux again in the Corsair/Expose operating
|> system.  Only problem is that the editorial mentions that Novell is "Basing
|> the software on the public-domain Linux version of Unix...".  Linux is NOT
|> public-domain, at least as I understand it.

Linux is not PD. It is, however, distributed under the standard GNU licensing
terms. The difference is that under the GNU license, any redistribution or
modification must:
        a.) Be freely available
        b.) Include full cource code
        c.) Also be distributed under the GNU licensing agreement
Truly PD software is modifiable and redistributable without restrictions.
I fail to see how Novell can possibly distribute an operating system based
on Linux. They'd have to offer any directly modified portions (such as the 
kernel...) for free, and with source. I suppose they could put the modified 
Linux components on an anonymous ftp site, available per the GNU license, and 
then sell a CD-ROM version with additional programs/utilities of their own 
creation (or licensed stuff like Looking Glass). 

|> -- 
|> Chris Adams
|> racerx@vespucci.iquest.com
|> 
|> Don't touch that!  It's the history eraser button!

==============================================================================
Patrick Chase           I speak for myself, not H-P
H-P San Diego

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From: jjulian@cyberspace.com (Joe Julian)
Subject: Re: Conner or Colorado Tape drives - OK with Linux
Date: 4 Jun 1994 23:46:11 -0700

On Sun, 5 Jun 1994 00:31:28 +0000 Stephen Soghoian wrote:

:  
: Hi There
: I am a Linux newbie. Id like to get an internal tape drive that
: works well with both MS-DOS and Linux. Several people have said
: to avoid the Colorado 120 or 240MB. 

: Has anyone got experience with the Conner 250MB drive?
: Or any other recommendations for moderate price drives that
: work with the minimum of hassle?

: Thanks in Advance.

The Conner 250 works quite well with Linux (I have an entry in my 
crontabs that backs up my user path nightly on to one.)  For DOS
however, Conner Backup Basics (CBB) is obnoxious.  It only backs
up local DOS drives, and only does full backups.  If this isn't
what you want to do you have two options.  You can purchase
Conner's Backup Exec, which will backup network volumes, as well
as do partial backups, or you can mount your DOS partition in 
Linux and backup using tar (or whatever other you like...  I use
tar).  This even works for compressed drives as long as the CVF
is less than a tapefull.  That's how I backup my DOS partitions
and I use Doublespace so I don't have to waste that much drive
space on that worn out OS.  (Unfortunately I still have to have
some to maintain some product I have out.) 

As for the Colorado, the reasons I went with the Conner when 
I did my testing, was it was much quieter, and a little faster.
Both drives proved to be equally functional however.  I'm also
not at all satisfied with the length of service of the Colorados.
As a computer tech, I've had to change out far too many of those
drives for my comfort.  (Though they do have this wonderful
quality of waiting 'till they're out of warranty most of the time
so we can still make money from their failure ;)

Hope that clears things up.  If you have any more questions about
the drives feel free to e-mail me.


Your welcome in retrospect, ;)
Joe

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From: jlu@cs.umr.edu (Eric Jui-Lin Lu)
Subject: Sound Blaster SCSI-2
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 06:38:20 GMT

Hi *,

I'm planning to install Linux and purchase Sound Blaster
16 SCSI-2.  Is this card supported as, at least, a
SCSI-2 card?

I browsed thru SCSI-HOWTO.  Only Sound Blaster 16 SCSI is mentioned.
Are they the same card?  Please reply by email.  I just
subscribed this newsgroup and there are >1000 unread
articles.  Thanks!!


  --Eric

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* Obviousness is always the enemy of  *   \     Jui-Lin Lu (Eric)      /   *
* correctness.  -- Bertrand Russell   *   /      jlu@cs.umr.edu        \   *
***************************************---   Univ. of Missouri-Rolla    ---*

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,soc.culture.nordic
From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: Linux for the world?
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 06:56:12 GMT

Followup to:  <2srp88$8ma@nntp2.stanford.edu>
By author:    rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
> 
> Moreover Linus is Finnish, which doesn't hurt.  No one thinks the Finns
> are out to conquer the world (maybe they're just more subtle than the
> rest of us.  Perhaps Linux is part of their secret plan for world
> domination.  Anyone have strange urges to sauna after using Linux?)
> 

What is strange with an urge to sauna?  ;-)

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