Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #217
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Date:     Sat, 4 Jun 94 20:15:16 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #217, Volume #2                 Sat, 4 Jun 94 20:15:16 EDT

Contents:
  System calls (Jean-Hugues BOUCHARD)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Shawn T. Amundson)
  PAS16 sound card and SONY CDU-561 SCSI CD-ROM problems... (Roy Mathew)
  Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux (Sid Boyce)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Mike Jagdis)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Mike Jagdis)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Mike Jagdis)
  Re: KA9Q? (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM (Heinz Wolter)
  Re: SLIP or PPP??? (Frank Lofaro)
  Q: Where is source for UUENCODE? (Michael P. Jarreau)
  Re: Setting Time in Linux? (Andrew Robinson)
  NEC Triple spin CD-ROM (Jong W. Lee)
  Re: UNIX or LINUX?? (Alex Ramos)
  Need SCSI adapter suggestions (Kenneth S. Blackney)
  Re: Comparing Yggdrasil's and TransAmeritech CD Linux .... (Adam J. Richter)
  Postscript filter for phone book??? (James D. Levine)
  Info on EQUINOX MEGAPORT 24CS? (Chris Radek)
  Re: Comparing Yggdrasil's and TransAmeritech CD Linux .... (Albert McClure)
  Linux Vs SCSI: ANY GURUS out there? (Peter O Orondo)

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From: bouchard@info.polymtl.ca (Jean-Hugues BOUCHARD)
Subject: System calls
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 20:42:09 GMT

        Hi, I curious about Linux. Specifially about system calls. Are they
interrupts, far calls or something else? I want to know also if the BIOS 
is use. I think it's not because it does not support multitasking but 
maybe somes features are use.

        Thank in advance for any information

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From: sta@whale.micro.umn.edu (Shawn T. Amundson)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 21:49:58 GMT

Byron A Jeff (byron@cc.gatech.edu) wrote:
: In article <CqpB9r.6wB@news.cis.umn.edu>,
<More stuff deleted>
: -Could we do the some except replace 
: -the ALT-F with the ESC keys?  

: Or control. That's how joe does all its command input now. 
We could start with control, and add the ESC later.  Perhaps in the
total rewrite.

<More stuff deleted>
: Like I said we're on the same page.
Yep.

: -
: -<Some  dialog stuff deleted>
: -: with Xwindows). With it we can get a form of popup menus.
: -Will these be menu's like WP 6.0 or something different?

: Probably would be a good idea for it to be the same. What I'm thinking right
: now is to have the tool bar, and to have attribute popups when you click over
: a piece of text.
Sounds like a good idea.

<More Stuff deleted>
: -: The basic game plan on the board is to instrument JOE with mouse support
: -: (from the selection code), menu support (from the dialog code), and QS
: -: support (so that it can read, manipulate, and write QS tagged text). Then
: -: connect it for preview and printing using GhostScript (unless of course 
: -: a PostScript printer is available).
: -By enabling joe with mouse support, that will entail 'shutting off' 
: -selection temporarily. 

: Well X does it (for serial rodents). Can't we do it too?
But X doesn't work _WITH_ selection, which I suggest this program should.

<Yes, more stuff deleted>
: -
: -I might suggest, however, that this project might be suited better for
: -coding in c++.  -I've been coding in it for a couple of months and 
: -think that the modularity of it is quite outstanding.  It would make
: -it easier to do this, I think.  This would mean scrapping some of
: -the joe code, but most could be easily converted to a c++ type of
: -thing.  Ideas?

: While c++ has many useful features, the one problem here is that ALL of
: the existing code is written in C. I don't think there is going to be
: much new code at all and writing it in c++ without converting all the other
: code won't buy much. Probably a better path is to do the patchwork on
: the 1st release or two (just to get it out quickly) then looking to do
: a complete rewrite further down the line.

So perhaps we can state right now that we could break this into two
stages?  

        1.  Patchwork to get something that works sort of how we would
            like it to.

        2.  A rewrite of all the code, perhaps in c++, to get a 
            seperate full-fledged word processor out.

We can probably put #2 into to the (not so distant?) future and 
precede with number one.

So can you send another outline via the mailing list, and the list of 
people that are on it and have volunteered coding time?  

-Shawn

*-Shawn T. Amundson-----------*-SnorfWare Software Products----------*
|  sta@mermaid.micro.umn.edu  |  DOS problems?  Try Linux.  Free...  |
|  amun0024@gold.tc.umn.edu   |             Linux RULES.             |     
*-USAR Specialist-------------*-Software made for people!-;->--------*
|          I think you know what I've been saying.   -Sugar          |
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*

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From: rmathew@cais.cais.com (Roy Mathew)
Subject: PAS16 sound card and SONY CDU-561 SCSI CD-ROM problems...
Date: 3 Jun 1994 21:49:59 GMT

Folks,
 
Does anyone out there have the same setup as I do? i.e: a
SONY CDU-561 SCSI CD-ROM attached to a PAS16 sound card
 
I am having terrible luck trying to get my kernel to boot properly
this configuration.  It hangs after recognizing the CD-ROM drive.
 
I have v1.0 of the kernel, (no patches applied). I have built the
kernel with GENERIC SCSI support and CD-ROM support. At boot time, I get
the following messages:
 
======================================================================
scsi0:  at 0x388 irq 10 options CAN_QUEUE=32 CMD_PER_LUN=2 release=1
        generic options AUTOPROBE_IRQ AUTOSENSE PSEUDO DMA generic release 4
scsi0:  ProAudio Spectrum-16 SCSI
scsi:   1 hosts
 
Vendor: SONY    Model: CD-ROM CDU-561   Rev: 1.7X ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected SCSI CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, id 0, lun 0
======================================================================
 
At this point, the boot process hangs forever!
 
Could you please give me some indication of what I need to do or
what I am missing.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Roy.

(roym@pulse.com)

 



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Crossposted-To: comp.emulators.misc,comp.sys.acorn,comp.sys.acorn.tech
From: szb50@ccc.amdahl.com (Sid Boyce)
Subject: Re: Reading BBC Micro disks under Linux
Reply-To: szb50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Sid Boyce)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 13:26:28 GMT

    Quite a bit back, I used kermit running on the BEEB and under dos
with an xmodem cable to get stuff across, but then needed BBCBASIC 86 PLUS
running on the PC to convert the files. May still have this stuff
somewhere in the undergrowth. Email me or 021-643 7962 (work) or
021-422-0375 (home), may be easier finding me at work.
Regards
Sid .... G3VBV .... Amdahl(UK) ......

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From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 22:05:00 +0000

* In message <KALLE.94Jun2103406@kyyppi.kcl.fi>, Karl Holmstrom said:

KH> I think the scrambled fonts are caused by the snf format
KH> font files that come with the demo.

Yes.

KH> The demo could be made more appealing if someone with a SCO ODT
KH> system could compile a snftobdf program for us.

Why not ask WP if they would make the bdf files available, perhaps as a 
separate archive? The fonts aren't really such a big deal - they probably 
just left the bdf files out to keep the archive size down.

                                Mike  
 

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From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 22:15:00 +0000

* In message <Cqrr9F.86M@uniplex.co.uk>, Timothy Towers said:

TT> I know I'm biassed, but Uniplex sells a wordprocessor
TT> which works on ascii terminals and is widely used
TT> by industry.

Uniplex 7.01 for SCO works under the iBCS emulator. I keep meaning to set up 
the necessary links to try the uxwindows X wrapper (I don't see any reason 
why it should have serious problems). I don't have anything newer like OnGo 
or whatever it is to try though.

                                Mike  
 

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From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 21:46:00 +0000

* In message <2sgq91$4dv@virgo.cc.gatech.edu>, Byron A Jeff said:

BJ> I've heard good things about WP for Unix. Are there any
BJ> major incompatibilities using the ISBC2 (sp) emulation.

iBCS2. No. The only thing on my list for WordPerfect is to extend the set of 
available function keys in the kernel and loadkeys so we can support all the 
{normal,shift,ctrl}F1-F12 combinations and map a fully SCO like keyboard.

                                Mike  
 

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: KA9Q?
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 22:11:46 GMT

In article <2sniqm$80v@search01.news.aol.com>, njbirdman@aol.com (NJBIRDMAN) says:
+---------------
| Identical problem on both, I get to compiling curses, and in curses.c
| there is a warning in line
| 434 about function getattrs. Then, when attemping to creat nos, I
+------------->8

Same answer as for all the other ncurses questions:  get ncurses 1.8.5 from
ftp.netcom.com:/pub/zmbenhal/1.8.5.tgz and use that :-)  Actually, I dropped
a section from the source which provided 1.8.1 compatibility; if you *really*
want to stick with 1.8.1 (I don't recommend it; neither does anyone else,
really) you can add the following to curses.c after the "this will go away"
comment:

        #ifndef getattrs
        #define getattrs(w) ((w)->_attrs)
        #endif

This is fixed in the ALPHA.4 source which I hope to put on ucsd.edu this
weekend (look for j109lxA4.tgz in the incoming directory).

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: heinz@focus-systems.on.ca (Heinz Wolter)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 22:23:00 GMT

In article <1994May31.074321.20889@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au> iap@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Ian Parkin) writes:
>: Traans Ameritech Competitive Upgrades.
>: Does this offer include customers who want to send in previous versions
>: of your CD (volume 2) to get the upgrade for $20 ?
>
>The ad stated '.. ANY OLD CDROM Software Title in ANY condition ..'.
>
>Therefore you can feel justified in putting your CD-ROM through any and all
>treatments before you post it off to them. I recommend a thermal lance and an
>industrial sand-blaster, but enough of my personal problems.
>
This doesn't begin to describe what I want to do the CDROM I got
from JANA ! The wretched DOS crap and stupid browser... That 9.95$CAN
disk cost me more than 30$ ! But that was the expedited (6 weeks!) 
shipping. I wonder if Jay is still alive somwehere... devising new 
excuses, getting his CDROMS stolen from the back of his van...
I think that TA and YGGD should specifically NOT accept Jana disks!
 -heinz


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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: SLIP or PPP???
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 22:23:45 GMT

In article <1994Jun3.140833.5912@ivax> jmmadiso@iupui.edu (jonboy) writes:
>In article <1994Jun3.004033.9676@unlv.edu>,
>Frank Lofaro <ftlofaro@unlv.edu> wrote:
>>In article <2sl0lk$1f9@elna.ethz.ch> meyer@iqe.ethz.ch writes:
>>>i have to decide me between a PPP or a SLIP connection
>>>to my university. what's the better choice (is PPP possible..
>>>drivers etc.?)
>>>
>>>thanks               vital
>>
>>Since you've got the choice, use SLIP.
>>You don't need PPP overhead, especially just to hook one Linux box to 
>>the net.
>i don't understand. what is the overhead...i've seen performance stats
>for SLIP, and they're about the same as PPP.
>

Move overhead on starting, stopping connections. More framing, 
more characters that are escaped. And if you can't get a completely 
clear async mapping table (i.e. some characters in the control code 
range get escaped) then you can really lose performance big time!

>>Plus the SLIP code is more tested.
>maybe...PPP's been out for ages now. just not in the kernel.

TCP/IP code is only really useful in the kernel. Stuff in the kernel 
can do bad things if it goes wrong, user code usually just segfaults, 
kernel stuff can crash the system or worse (e.g. eat the fs).

Not that I'm saying the ppp codes does that though. Just that it is 
much less tested for kernel usage.

>-- 
>jonM<>< jmadison@klingon.iupucs.iupui.edu; jonboy@neuromancer.ucr.edu
>"I'm trapped in the zoo called America/locked in a cage called tha 'hood"
>               -O.G.G. --" Before Redemption"



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From: jarreau@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Michael P. Jarreau)
Subject: Q: Where is source for UUENCODE?
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 22:53:03 GMT

I have Slackware with 0.99pl14.  Do I have the source for this
program already?

Thanks,
Michael


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From: robinson@cnj.digex.net (Andrew Robinson)
Subject: Re: Setting Time in Linux?
Date: 04 Jun 1994 22:52:32 GMT

In article <tcsmith.43.00095B4F@csi.nb.ca> tcsmith@csi.nb.ca (Tim Smith) writes:

>How do I set the time in Lunux. I recently installed Linux on a PC that 
>doesn't seem to have the 'press delete' option when booting up. So the only 
>way to set the tim will have to be through software. What command do I use?

You can set the system's time using 'date' and then write it to CMOS using
'clock'.

--
Andrew Robinson
robinson@cnj.digex.net  (MIME welcome)


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Subject: NEC Triple spin CD-ROM
From: lee44@husc7.harvard.edu (Jong W. Lee)
Date: 4 Jun 1994 21:51:00 GMT

Hi.  Has anyone had any trouble with the NEC Triple spin SCSI CD-ROM
drive?  Or should I be more concerned about the SCSI adapter?

-Jong

-- 
-Jong W. Lee (lee44@husc.harvard.edu)

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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: UNIX or LINUX??
Date: 3 Jun 1994 23:06:40 GMT

Marc Heinzmann (heinzman@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE), quoted out of context, wrote:

> In article <2smfdf$shm@longwood.cs.ucf.edu>, renzy@longwood.cs.ucf.edu (Thomas Renzy) writes:
> |> I believe LINUX takes up about 100 megs or more for the full blown package.
> |> Sorry I don't know, how much RAM it takes. I know one person who has LINUX
> |> on his system and he likes it alot. Good Luck.
> |>

> you should have at least 4MB. If you want to work with X11
> then you should have at least 8MB

Just for the record, I have used Linux (basically as a multi-window
dialup terminal) on a 386SX/16 with 2MB of RAM, on a 12MB root
partition and 4MB of swap (Hint: For painless installation on small
machines, get your hands on the old MCC distribution (the one with the
pl10+ kernel)).

In addition, the _full blown_ slackware disk serieses A, AP, D, N, F
and Q, plus tinyX, all fit in about 55.1 MB (This is an after-fiddling
figure, but I don't think I deleted anything yet).
I have not yet tried to run X on less than 8Meg, but I will some day..

So quit saying Linux takes "100 megs or more"  !!! :-)

--
Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine

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From: ksb@noc.ocs.drexel.edu (Kenneth S. Blackney)
Subject: Need SCSI adapter suggestions
Date: 4 Jun 1994 00:19:23 GMT

Hi, I'm about to configure several systems to run Linux in our
Telecommunications and Networking Group and want disk controller
suggestions.  It is our basic thought that SCSI is the way to go
since we already have a lot of Sun and Appple Mac equipment here.

We are looking at several PC's including some with ISA/VL, ISA/PCI
and EISA/PCI.  Which SCSI cards and bus configurations does Linux
like and what performs well?  (My only experience is an Adaptec 1742.)

Thanks much,
Ken

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From: adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Comparing Yggdrasil's and TransAmeritech CD Linux ....
Date: 3 Jun 1994 16:44:51 GMT

In article <2snq0i$dkm@Gauss.suse.de>, Hubert Mantel <mantel@suse.de> wrote:
>In article <CqpLF2.96J@eng_ser1.ie.cuhk.hk>,
>>In contrast, Yggdrasil's CD is **much** more 
>>superior.  Yes, I have the fall 93 release.
>
>For people using US keyboards the Yggdrasil CD may be a good choice.
>But just as the fall 93 release, the summer 94 release doesn't
>offer any support for other keymaps than the US one.

        I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about.  We
include the standard keymaps that come with kbd-0.86.

adam.yggdrasil.com [17] ls /usr/lib/keytables/
be-latin1.map        fr.map               sg-latin1-lk450.map
dk-latin1.map        gr-latin1.map        sg-latin1.map
dk.map               gr.map               sg.map
dvorak.map           no.map               uk.map
fi-latin1.map        russian.map          us.map
fi.map               sf-latin1.map
fr-latin1.map        sf.map


        If there are some other files that you want for some purpose,
just give me a full FTP path to them and tell me where you think they
should be installed for the next release and what they do.

-- 
Adam J. Richter                     -      --------------   "Free software for
adam@yggdrasil.com                    \  /                   the rest of us."
4880 Stevens Creek Blvd., Suite 205    || g g d r a s i l    408-261-6630
San Jose, CA 95129-1034                ||  Computing Inc.    fax 408-261-6631

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From: jdl@netcom.com (James D. Levine)
Subject: Postscript filter for phone book???
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 00:19:38 GMT

This isn't strictly a Linux question, but that's what I'm running on this
box...

Does anybody know of a Postscript (or PCL) filter that will format ascii
into something compact and attractive, suitable for a small or tiny phone
book?  Preferably it would print small enough to generate a pocket-sized, or
even wallet-sized directory.

I suppose if all else fails I can find a Linux version of mp, and print
with the smallest day-planner format.  

Any suggestions?

TIA
James

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From: cradek@herbie.unl.edu (Chris Radek)
Subject: Info on EQUINOX MEGAPORT 24CS?
Date: 4 Jun 1994 00:43:18 GMT

The title just about says it all - I have obtained this 24 port
serial card and would like it to work with my Linux 1.0 system.
I'm not by any means a stranger to C and would be willing to 
(attempt to) write my own serial driver, if necessary.  
Unfortunately, I have no information on the card.  If you have any,
I would appreciate very much talking to you.  The card is quite
current - date codes on ICs tell me it was made since mid-1992,
so there should be information out there somewhere.  Thanks... 

-Chris

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From: Albert_McClure@mindlink.bc.ca (Albert McClure)
Subject: Re: Comparing Yggdrasil's and TransAmeritech CD Linux ....
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 94 17:46:10 -0700 (PDT)


In article <wade.770570646@drexler> wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie)
writes:

>Thu Jun  2 22:24:05 1994
>Message : #13751590    From: Wade Guthrie
>Address : wade@nb.rockwell.com
>Group   : Usenet.comp.os.linux.misc
>Length  : 119 words 882 bytes
>Subject : Re: Comparing Yggdrasil's and TransAmeritech CD Linux ....
>Read 1 times
>
>Msg-ID: <wade.770570646@drexler>
>References: <CqpLF2.96J@eng_ser1.ie.cuhk.hk>
>Posted: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 15:24:06 GMT
>
>Org.  : Rockwell International
>
>kpwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Kit-pui Wong  kpwong@cuhk.hk) writes:
>
>>Is there anybody here has the TransAmeritech
>>CD Linux ? I couldn't manage its "automatic"
>>(?) installation ?
>
>>I bought the TransAmeritech some days ago
>>from a local distributor. It's really
>>__disappointing__. I could not set it up and
>>couldn't even make the bootdisk or rootdisk
>>bootable.  I didn't know why the LILO on the
>>floppies simply refused to work....
>I fought with the transAmeritech cd for two days.  It  would install from
my Panasonic doublespeed up to the point where
it would start to make a vmlinux boot disc and then I got
nothing but a series of digits on screen and the computer
would lock up.
I solved the problem by copying the transwa0 dir to my dos
drive and installing it from there.
Al Mcclure.
--
        *************************************
        E-MAIL. albert_mcclure@mindlink.bc.ca
        *************************************1>

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From: podo@athena.mit.edu (Peter O Orondo)
Subject: Linux Vs SCSI: ANY GURUS out there?
Date: 5 Jun 1994 00:13:35 GMT

I am installing the Slackware Linux, but when I boot linux using scsi boot
diskette, lilo doesn't see my scsi devices. I try forced probe with

ramdisk aha152x=0x340,11,7,1 

but I get amn error message

aha152x: more data than expected (130 bytes)

I have gone thru the SCSI howtos and it doesn't seem to cover my problem. Any
help? 

[I am using adaptec host adapter with BIOS on board

thanks
peter orondo
podo@mit.edu

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