Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #211
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Date:     Fri, 3 Jun 94 18:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #211, Volume #2                 Fri, 3 Jun 94 18:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: suit for Linux ( Karsten Ballueder)
  Re: conner cfa540a IDE ( Karsten Ballueder)
  Help for Xconfig needed! (Tim Springer)
  Re: Why Linux? (Daniel Leeds)
  Re: Cheap printer for Linux (Michael James Porter)
  Re: [X/XF86_VGA16/xterm] Make my day. (Ron Smits)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (the MOST SIGNIFICANT bit)
  Re: Problems in Linux: Compiling Angband (Peter Berger)
  Re: Why Linux? (Dwight M Evers)
  cache server in linux (Ruben Masip)
  What are Bogo-Mips? (Andy Spiegl)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Byron A Jeff)
  THANKS! Re: nntpsend problems under Linux - it almost works (Dana J. Bolden)
  Re: SLIP or PPP??? (Frank Lofaro)
  IBM PS/VP & Linux (Gianni Marchetti)

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From: karsten@lt11.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk ( Karsten Ballueder)
Subject: Re: suit for Linux
Date: 3 Jun 1994 14:21:51 GMT
Reply-To: kballued@charon.physik.uni-osnabrueck.de


Compiling SUIT for Linux worked fine on my mashine.
The only thing you need to do is a little bit of editing in the makefiles 
and changing two or three #ifdef's in the code.

Took about ten minutes  to get the changes done and SUIT is running 
perfectly now.

Karsten Ballueder

kballued@charon.physik.uni-osnabrueck.de

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From: karsten@lt11.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk ( Karsten Ballueder)
Subject: Re: conner cfa540a IDE
Date: 3 Jun 1994 14:24:19 GMT
Reply-To: karsten@lt11.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk ( Karsten Ballueder)


Use the higher figure. I'm using a Conner 540Mb IDE drive and I have one data
sheet telling me to use 1023 and another one telling me 1054. 1054 works fine
under Linux, but DOS (BIOS) can only deal with numbers below 1024.

Don't worry if you Linux fdisk gets confused about it and warns you. It's 
working perfectly anyway.

Karsten.

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From: tim@dutlru.tudelft.nl (Tim Springer)
Subject: Help for Xconfig needed!
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 14:29:12 GMT


Hello all,

I have just installed Linux on my 486DX2 66MHz PC and it seems to work
very well (by the way I have 8Mb RAM and 16Mb swap). 

But, I do not seem to get XFree86 up and running although
I have been working on it for the last couple of nights (perhaps one should
not work at night). However I guess I really do not understand enough of
the matter AND have to little information about my graphics card. Here
comes what I know:

Monitor: Bandwidth 45 MHz
         Horiz     30-38 KHz
         Vert      45-100 Hz

         It is a multi-VGA+ monitor fit for IBM PS/2, 8514a, MAC II and
         other compatibles (according to its manual)
         I guess this information is pretty complete as far as I have
         understood from all the README's and stuff like that. 

Graphics Card: This is were I think my real problem is since I know
         virtually nothing about it. Here is what I DO know:

         It is a UMC-graphics card with chipset: UM 85C418
         1 Mb of DRAM (what is DRAM and for that matter VRAM)
         And it should be a VESA Local Bus card (is that important?)

         Furthermore it is being sold as being a "windows accelerator
         card". 

What I have done so far is using clock.exe (under dos) to detect my
clocks and this gives 25.2 28.3 36.0 65.1 as my clocks and ET3000 and
ET4000 as the chipsets.

SuperProbe -no_bios (without the no_bios it does not detect anything)
is capable of determining my chipset (UMC 85C408) and detects 512 Kb of
memory (should be 1024) and RAMDAC (?!) Sierra SC1148{2,3,4} 15 bit or
SC1148{5,7,9} 15/16 bit Hi-Color

XF86_SVGA -probeonly finds:
         ET4000 (defined by me in Xconfig): Initial hibit state high!
         Videoram: 2048 Kb
         Clocks 25.20 28.32 36.00 65.10 0.00 28.30 ....(the rest are
         0.00's)
         Maximum allowed dot-clock 90MHz

(it is reassuring to see that clocks.exe and XF86_SVGA -probeonly find
the same clocks)

What I am capable of producing is a totally messed up graphics screen 
where I can not see very much. :-( This is when I specify ET4000 as my
chipset. When I do not specify any chipset X (or rather XF86_SVGA) does
not detect any suitable mode to start. My screen look something like:
(following is a 'pseudo graphic')

                 (2)     +----------+    This part come is white (I am
      (1)     +----------|          |    using white on black) but the
   +----------|          |          |    'screens' seem to be overlapping
   |bash#     |          |          |    I get a prompt (bash#) and 
   |          |          |          |    making an 'ls' gives output but
   |          |          |          |    when it reaches the bottom of
   |          |          |          |    screenpart (1) it continues on
   ==================================    screenpart (2). So it seems that
   ==================================    part (2) should really by at the
   ==================================    bottom of part (1).
   ==================================
   ==================================

My question is if there is someone out there who can help me in any way.
Perhaps the problem is that I really have an accelerated card (since it
is being sold as a windows accelerator) which would mean that I should
specify a line like: clocks = 'cgv010' in my Xconfig which is one of the
few things I have not tried yet. Does that mean that I should install
the XF86_S3? Please help me make a correct Xconfig file.

Thanks in advance,
                   Tim

ps Sorry for not giving the exact outputs of the programs but I am using
   Linux at home (well starting to use it anyway) and I am now at work.

--
e-mail: Tim.Springer@lr.tudelft.nl
tel:    ++15 783831
fax:    ++15 783444
-- 
e-mail: Tim.Springer@lr.tudelft.nl
tel:    ++15 783831
fax:    ++15 783444

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From: dleeds@MCS.COM (Daniel Leeds)
Subject: Re: Why Linux?
Date: 3 Jun 1994 12:48:31 -0500

Dwight M Evers (evers@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
: Bill Karwin (Contractor-MM) (bkarwin@cup.hp.com) wrote:
: : Caesar Wong (caesarw@agora.rdrop.com) wrote:
: : : What's the main differences between Linux and (free) BSD?

: : Linux has better support for memory configurations over 16Mb.
: : FreeBSD does not support non-SCSI CD-ROMs.
: : FreeBSD seems to support more network controllers.

: One other thing that strikes me as a reason FOR Linux is that Linux has 
: what I would term as 'larger software development' from users/developers.
: FreeBSD, and for that matter all BSD's have just seen the rug pulled out 
: from under them by Berkely saying goodby to its dev. (On the cover of Unix 
: Review mag-rag.).

: Any other input about Berkely and BSD?

Yes, why dont you get a clue before posting blatanly wrong info such as 
the above.  The Berkeley CSG stopped working on it commercially as a 
product straight out of Berkeley only.  The free versions of BSD Free/Net 
BSD are NOT part of those.  They use much of the same code but are run 
and developed along different lines.  The *BSD unixes are mainly 
maintaned by core teams of professional developers but encorporoate any 
changes and enhancements users develop on their own.  



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From: mike@strauss.udel.edu (Michael James Porter)
Subject: Re: Cheap printer for Linux
Date: 3 Jun 1994 13:11:41 -0400

In article <Jun.3.12.32.58.1994.21020@rutcor.rutgers.edu>,
Tamas Badics <badics@rutcor.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>Hi Everybody,
>
>I'd like to buy a relatively cheap printer for my linux machine. 
>Most of the time I'll print dvi or postscript files. I was wondering if I 
>buy a non-postscript printer, are there any software which makes it possible?
>
>I was thinking about getting a printer like Canon BJ-200, or similar.
>What is your oppinion? 

I really like the BJ200.  Ghostscript does a nice job converting
postscript to bj200 output.  You can create a filter script
that automatically converts postscript too.  This is the best
way since writing converted output to disk results in huge files.

A bj200 has a very small footprint when its not printing - great
for when you cover your desk with other junk.  Its also pretty
quiet.  The output can smear if you get it wet.

(Btw:  The sample script is in the printing howto.)

Mike

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: [X/XF86_VGA16/xterm] Make my day.
Date: 03 Jun 1994 16:01:48 GMT

Bill, 

What you want to do is:
*foreground: magenta.

This will match all the resources
--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: xmsb@borland.com (the MOST SIGNIFICANT bit)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 17:48:42 GMT

dmarples@voyager.comms.eee.strath.ac.uk (David Marples) writes:

>I'm pleased that you agree that there is room for both systems to
>co-exist, compliment each other and generally aim for different types
>of users.  This tolerant, understanding attitude will help us go
>forward in competing with the likes of NT...

    who's competing?

    I don't get it.  NT is not a bad thing if I don't have
    to use it, but can run linux instead.  On the other hand,
    there is room for NT and linux to coexist (well, not on
    the same harddrive :) ), just as there is room for netbsd,
    system7, and DOS.

--
Maurice S. Barnum               ==    I speak for me, not my employer.
xmsb@borland.com                ||    "There is no confusion like the
mosigbit@deeptht.armory.com     ||    confusion of a simple mind."
mbarnum@nyx.cs.du.edu           ==       -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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From: Peter Berger <peterb@lm.net>
Crossposted-To: rec.games.roguelike.angband
Subject: Re: Problems in Linux: Compiling Angband
Date: 3 Jun 1994 13:54:15 -0400

In article <1994Jun2.175138.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>,
 <jham@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> wrote:
>       Please, I need some help compiling Angband under Linux. I have 
>multiple main and multiple malloc calls errors in the main.o file and
>/usr/lib/ctr0.o files. Please send me e-mail. Thank you.

Any Angband players running Linux should definately pick up the newest 
version of Angband (2.5.8) from ftp.cis.ksu.edu.  It will compile "out of
the box" with only one minor, documented change to the Makefile.  If, for
some reason, you encounter problems, you should provide detailed bug
reports to:   angband-bugs@telerama.lm.com. 

It is at:  ftp.cis.ksu.edu
directory pub/Games/Angband/source/angband_2.5.8.tar.gz

Thanks, and happy dungeoneering.

Peter Berger
Angband Development Team
-- 
........................................................................
Peter G. Berger, Esq.  
Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh
Internet: peterb@telerama.lm.com  Phone: 412/481-3505  Fax: 412/481-8568

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From: evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers)
Subject: Re: Why Linux?
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 21:37:05 GMT

Bill Karwin (Contractor-MM) (bkarwin@cup.hp.com) wrote:
: Caesar Wong (caesarw@agora.rdrop.com) wrote:
: : What's the main differences between Linux and (free) BSD?

: Linux has better support for memory configurations over 16Mb.
: FreeBSD does not support non-SCSI CD-ROMs.
: FreeBSD seems to support more network controllers.

One other thing that strikes me as a reason FOR Linux is that Linux has 
what I would term as 'larger software development' from users/developers.
FreeBSD, and for that matter all BSD's have just seen the rug pulled out 
from under them by Berkely saying goodby to its dev. (On the cover of Unix 
Review mag-rag.).

Any other input about Berkely and BSD?

- D. Evers


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From: ruben@stonehenge.ac.upc.es (Ruben Masip )
Subject: cache server in linux
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 13:12:24 GMT


Hello I would be very pleased if someone could explain me how to configure a machine as a name server, and if someone have had any troubles with it please explain it to me.
I have been trying to configure and I can not get it.



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From: spiegl@hamster.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de (Andy Spiegl)
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,de.comp.os.linux,maus.os.linux,zer.t-netz.linux
Subject: What are Bogo-Mips?
Date: 3 Jun 1994 20:01:17 GMT


On booting, the linux-Kernel writes a message like:

Calibrating delay loop, xxx BogoMips.

What are BogoMips, and what do they say about a pc's
speed?  I am sligthly worried, because most of
my pals get a value of 16 - 33 Bogmips 
(on 486sx, dx-33, dx-66) sometimes even if they
use standard ISA-configurations.
I have an 486-33dx VLB and get only 5.27.
Must I trash my machine or is the
Bogomips-value of no significance?

Would be grateful for an answer,

Andreas M"unch    (Using A. Spiegl's login)

PS.: Please answer by mail to
        amue@appl-math.tu-muenchen.de
-- 

__________________________________________________________________________
Andy Spiegl, PhD Student, Technical University, Muenchen, Germany
E-Mail: Spiegl@Appl-Math.TU-Muenchen.de

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From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 3 Jun 1994 15:04:34 -0400

In article <CqpB9r.6wB@news.cis.umn.edu>,
Shawn T. Amundson <sta@whale.micro.umn.edu> wrote:
<More stuff deleted>
-: >
-: [My call for no function keys. ]
-Ok.  So lets say that we forget that Function Keys exist, then.  For the
-novice user, we will have to have some way of sorting through things 
-_easily_.  I don't usually consider remembering 30 different control-
-whatever sequences easy. 

You are correct. That's why the novices will use the menu interface. They're
prefectly happy spending time browsing through menus.
-Faster, yes.  Actually, now that I think of 
-it, when I use WP 6.0 for DOS (not often!) and need to do something and 
-I don't want to use the mouse, I hit Alt-F and start to look through 
-the menus with the arrow keys.

Now we're on the same page. By using the same mechanism with a mouse only
input and a keyboard only input you kill multiple problems at one time.

-Could we do the some except replace 
-the ALT-F with the ESC keys?  

Or control. That's how joe does all its command input now. 

-Telling a novice user that all he has
-to do is hit ESC and arrow around to do anything he wants will surely
-make him think before canning Linux because it is way too complex.
-For the word processing part of it anyway.

Ah but your rodent adversion is showing here Shawn! It's even easier with
the rat! For example the DOS folks at work use minuet from UMinn for
E-mail. It has the ALT-key menus like most other DOS tools. However it also
works with the mouse driver. And it has function keys. If the mouse driver
is working, almost everyone uses the rat instead of the keyboard. Function
keys second, and the keyboard last.

Like I said we're on the same page.

-
-<Some  dialog stuff deleted>
-: with Xwindows). With it we can get a form of popup menus.
-Will these be menu's like WP 6.0 or something different?

Probably would be a good idea for it to be the same. What I'm thinking right
now is to have the tool bar, and to have attribute popups when you click over
a piece of text.

-
-<Quikscript explination deleted>
-Thankx.

No problem. I've put up a copy cat cau.auc.edu:/pub/Quikscript.tar.Z
take a look. I'm looking for comments.

-
-: The basic game plan on the board is to instrument JOE with mouse support
-: (from the selection code), menu support (from the dialog code), and QS
-: support (so that it can read, manipulate, and write QS tagged text). Then
-: connect it for preview and printing using GhostScript (unless of course 
-: a PostScript printer is available).
-By enabling joe with mouse support, that will entail 'shutting off' 
-selection temporarily. 

Well X does it (for serial rodents). Can't we do it too?

- The cut feature should place it's text in
-the same place that selection stores it.  Is this what you mean by 
-'(from the selection code)'?  This will allow pasting to other VC's. 

Yes. What I meant is to start from the selection code to generate the code
to do this. Also since the selection stuff is already in the kernel then
it's a good idea to use it.

-I like that.

Great!

-
-: By integrating existing pieces instead of writing from scratch, I'm hoping
-: that a first version of LWPS can be pieced together in a reasonable amount
-: of time. 
-So, has anyone touched the code for joe yet?  I've had a look at it, but
-have no clue where I would start.  

One starts in edfunc.c and main.c. There is an extremely easy interface for
adding new commands and binding them to keys (using joerc). I've already
started testing the dialog stuff this way.

-
-: We're always looking for volunteers BTW.
-How many is 'we'?  In other words, how many people have said that they
-will hack on the code?

Well I have 6 folks on the mailing list (including you Shawn). However
there's been no activity there for over a week. Will send another message
and check back on Monday. 3 have volunteered actual coding.

But honestly by patching together existing code we can reduce the load to
one or two people. Just as long as I'm not one of them. On this one I can
only be an idea and rah-rah guy. I'm knee deep in research that has to be
done by September 1.

-
-I might suggest, however, that this project might be suited better for
-coding in c++.  -I've been coding in it for a couple of months and 
-think that the modularity of it is quite outstanding.  It would make
-it easier to do this, I think.  This would mean scrapping some of
-the joe code, but most could be easily converted to a c++ type of
-thing.  Ideas?

While c++ has many useful features, the one problem here is that ALL of
the existing code is written in C. I don't think there is going to be
much new code at all and writing it in c++ without converting all the other
code won't buy much. Probably a better path is to do the patchwork on
the 1st release or two (just to get it out quickly) then looking to do
a complete rewrite further down the line.

Still game?

BAJ
-- 
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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From: dana@dem.ehnr.state.nc.us (Dana J. Bolden)
Subject: THANKS! Re: nntpsend problems under Linux - it almost works
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 1994 10:59:11 -0400

In article <2snamc$3hq@ldl.HealthPartners.COM>, btv@ldl.HealthPartners.COM
(Bryan Vold) wrote:

[snip]
> >a little longer to be sure - the ones posted while a site file exists
> >*may* be getting fed correctly. 
> 
> Shouldn't take 48 hours, although I don't know your exact site params.
> 
> What we did to fix it (and it works), is to split NNTPSEND into two files.
> 
> 1. Starting at about line 245 (the line that starts  sh -c `  , take 
> everything up to the ` & at about 275 (or 276) and put it in another file 
> called nntpextra.
> 
> 2. Comment out all those lines you put into nntpextra, including the  sh -c `
> and  ` & at the end (or delete them, I would make a backup of this file, 
> just in case...
> 
> 3. Insert the command:
> 
>   nntpextra & 
> 
> right above the  sh -c ` line that you just commented out.
> 
> 4. Edit the nntpextra program to be a shell script  (delete the  sh -c `  from
> the beginning, and the ` & from the end, and insert:    
> 
> !#/bin/sh 
> 
> at the beginning.
> 
> 5.  Make sure you install these.  This may have to be done by hand.
> 
> That should be it.  If you need more help, mail me, and I can send you my 
> files.  Works fine after we did the above.
> If you want the same functionality as the original, leave the sleep 5 alone.

Yea!!!! - I owe you a cold one!!  I tried the fix a while ago and I can
tell by the syslog entries that things are working much better already.  I
didn't know what to expect in syslog (except for flush messages from
ctlinnd), but now I see various messages about connecting to the site being
fed and offering/accepting articles, etc. that I had never seen before.  I
guess you were right about 48 hours be longer than it should have taken.

Again, Thanks!
Dana
=====
dana@dem.ehnr.state.nc.us (preferred - all opinions are my own, etc.) or
dbolden@aol.com (this one costs $$$$ so don't expect a quick reply ;-) )
=====

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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: SLIP or PPP???
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 00:40:33 GMT

In article <2sl0lk$1f9@elna.ethz.ch> meyer@iqe.ethz.ch writes:
>i have to decide me between a PPP or a SLIP connection
>to my university. what's the better choice (is PPP possible..
>drivers etc.?)
>
>thanks         vital

Since you've got the choice, use SLIP.
You don't need PPP overhead, especially just to hook one Linux box to 
the net.
Plus the SLIP code is more tested.





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From: marchet@sepi1.polito.it (Gianni Marchetti)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: IBM PS/VP & Linux
Date: 3 Jun 1994 14:55:01 GMT

I'm going to install Linux on an IBM PS/VP 486, with an IDE hard disk and
an ET4000 video card. I've heard that Linux has some problems to deal with
IBM's hard disks, therefore you've to enter some parameters in LILO. 
Could someone tell me what these parameters are? Besides, are you aware of 
any other problems with IBM's machines? And do you know whether a driver for
my CM205 cd-rom exists?

Thanks a lot. Please, reply by e-mail.

Gianni Marchetti
marchet@sepi1.polito.it



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