Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #210
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Date:     Fri, 3 Jun 94 13:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #210, Volume #2                 Fri, 3 Jun 94 13:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Computerworld says "Expose, Schmexpose" (U.Kunitz)
  Re: nntpsend problems under Linux - it almost works (Bryan Vold)
  Re: PFL for Linux 0.1 released (Tim Holmes)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Colin Frank)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Robert Sanders)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Carsten Whimster)
  Re: Will my cdrom work?, and mine too (Sony) ? (Carsten Whimster)
  Re: [Q] Has Fractint been ported? (las@light-house.uucp)
  Re: Using CD-ROM recorder with Linux (Bob Bagwill)
  Re: XFree86 question (Florian Schmidt)
  Re: AHA-1542CF+QUANTUM L525S (Eric Youngdale)
  limmit users HD space (Hans Petter Fasteng)
  more - Broken Pipe (Hans Petter Fasteng)
  Changing your hostname... (Edward Baichtal)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (Cameron L. Spitzer)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Robert Sanders)
  two different name servers (Ruben Masip)
  Re: KA9Q? (NJBIRDMAN)

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From: kunitz@informatik.hu-berlin.de (U.Kunitz)
Subject: Re: Computerworld says "Expose, Schmexpose"
Date: 3 Jun 1994 12:57:31 GMT

>: We do know:
>: -Torvalds was first contacted by Novell about the possibility of their doing
>: such a thing based on Linux 9 months ago, and Novell technical people have
>: asked him technical questions from time to time ever since.

>Where do you get this info? Could you be a bit more speecific?
You could read it in a german UNIX magazine, but I think their source is
the net.

>: -Ray Noorda, recently retired Chief Exec of Novell has been personally
>: involved in this project.
>: -Novell has demonstrated a product based on Linux.

Calling it a ``product'' is IMHO a overstatement. Something demonstrated
at a developer conference isn't a product. I remember a demonstration of
dBase for Windows two years ago at the CeBit. Maybe there are still some
very unlucky guys waiting for the product. A product is something
someone gets delivered and has really paid money for, nothing else. 

English isn't my native language but I think that to expose means only to show
something :-).

I think it was a normal public response test in the early phase of the
product development. The question is: Do customer buy a product, which
is based on a hacker system? This is a marketing problem, not a
technological. I think at the moment Linux is only a good UNIX clone for
PCs and lot of system know how all around the world. To be a killer
application, it needs at least WINE running Word for Windows and Excel
or Software running on Linux being _far_ better than WfW and Excel.

If I remember right, Linus said about the story something like: If they
(Novell) are running into a real problem, they will stop the project.

Until now Microsoft succeeded in their strategy to build up their
propretary systems, APIs, protocols etc. combined with heavy marketing to
establish high market entry barriers.

Should there be an alternative? Should it be Linux?

Uli
-- 
I know tha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t in my
heart I f >>>> Ulrich Kunitz >>>> kunitz@informatik.hu-berlin.de >>>> eel like
going ho >>>>               >>>> Voice: (030) 513 11 52         >>>> me again 
But I k <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< now ...  

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From: btv@ldl.HealthPartners.COM (Bryan Vold)
Crossposted-To: news.config
Subject: Re: nntpsend problems under Linux - it almost works
Date: 3 Jun 1994 08:20:12 -0500

In article <2sm963$13v@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Dana Bolden <Dana.Bolden@launchpad.unc.edu> wrote:
[stuff deleted]
>deleted, and NO site file is created (seems that the ctlinnd flush part of

Yup, this is the problem.  We ran a trace at our site (using a bash -x) and
bash seems to hang right before it gets to that line.  

[more stuff deleted]

>a little longer to be sure - the ones posted while a site file exists
>*may* be getting fed correctly. 

Shouldn't take 48 hours, although I don't know your exact site params.

What we did to fix it (and it works), is to split NNTPSEND into two files.

1. Starting at about line 245 (the line that starts  sh -c `  , take everything
up to the ` & at about 275 (or 276) and put it in another file called 
nntpextra.

2. Comment out all those lines you put into nntpextra, including the  sh -c `
and  ` & at the end (or delete them, I would make a backup of this file, 
just in case...

3. Insert the command:

  nntpextra & 

right above the  sh -c ` line that you just commented out.

4. Edit the nntpextra program to be a shell script  (delete the  sh -c `  from
the beginning, and the ` & from the end, and insert:    

!#/bin/sh 

at the beginning.

5.  Make sure you install these.  This may have to be done by hand.

That should be it.  If you need more help, mail me, and I can send you my 
files.  Works fine after we did the above.
If you want the same functionality as the original, leave the sleep 5 alone.

--Bryan Vold
-- 
btv@ldl.healthpartners.com               "The relentless pursuit of perfection"
Linux -- The Choice of a GNU Generation  "Make it so, Number One." 

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From: timh@psammead.demon.co.uk (Tim Holmes)
Subject: Re: PFL for Linux 0.1 released
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 21:46:34 +0000

Tim Holmes (timh@psammead.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: PFL uploaded to ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/incoming (eventually /pub/linux)

: Begin2
: Title        = pfl
: Version      = 0.1
: Desc1        = Persistant Functional Language - a computationally complete
: Desc2        = database environment
: Author       = Carol Small
: AuthorEmail  = carol@dcs.bbk.ac.uk
: Maintainer   = Tim Holmes
: MaintEmail   = timh@psammead.demon.co.uk
: Site1        = ftp.demon.co.uk
: Path1        = pub/unix/linux
                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Note new location!

: File1        = pfl-0.1-linux.tgz
: FileSize1    = 352824
: Required1    = GNU C++, Flex, yacc
: CopyPolicy1  = GNU GPL
: Keywords     = pfl, functional language, database
: Comment1     = unpack in /usr/local/lib, or elsewhere and create link
: Comment2     = /usr/local/lib/pfl
: Entered      = 01JUN94
: EnteredBy    = Tim Holmes
: End


: --
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: Be sure to include Keywords: and a short description of your software.
-- 
// Tim Holmes | +44 480 435565 (Huntingdon) | Ingres Systems Consultant \\
\\  at Home   | timh@psammead.demon.co.uk   |  part time Linux Hacker   //

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: cfrank@sybase.com (Colin Frank)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:42:02 GMT

In article <alexr.0sqc@willow.login.qc.ca> alexr@willow.login.qc.ca (Alexandre Rousseau) writes:
>In article <2rvnl9INNjed@CS.UTK.EDU> peek@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Michael Peek) writes:

>> : >How many readers would be interested in an officially-compiled and
>> : >supported version of POVRAY, with X-Windows support, for LINUX ???
>> 
>> : Yes, I'm interested in POVRAY for Linux.
>> : Patrick Reijnen
>> 
>> I'm voting yes too.
>> Mike Peek - peek@math.utk.edu
>> 
>Me too !
>-- 
Me too !

I used an older version on Linux, and it is great.

Colin...


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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 3 Jun 1994 10:07:25 -0400

mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>reubenr@netcom.com (Reuben Regucera) writes:

>>It can be found in : ftp.wordperfect.com:/unix/demos/sco/sco.Z
>>It is an 8M file, uncompress works, but the tar file is not recognized 
>>by Linux or Sun.

>>Anyone got an any idea how to untar this beast?

It untarred fine for me.  It also runs fine, except that some of the
included fonts weren't in a usable format and need to be converted
for use under XFree86.  I still like LaTeX better :-)

-- 
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W@@@W__        |-\      ^        | disclaimer:  <---> "Bow before ZOD!" __W@@@W
W@@@@**~~~'  ro|-<ert s/_\ nders |   who am I???  ^  from Superman  '~~~**@@@@W
`*MV' hi,ocie! |-/ad! /   \ss!!  | ooga ooga!!    |    II (cool)!         `VW*'

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 13:13:11 GMT

In article <BRUSE.94Jun1193337@terne.ii.uib.no>,
Oyvind Brusevold - Hstud <bruse@ii.uib.no> wrote:
>>>>>> ">" == David A Vohwinkel <vohwi-d@acsu.buffalo.edu> writes:
>
>>> In article <alexr.0sqc@willow.login.qc.ca>, Alexandre Rousseau
>>> <alexr@willow.login.qc.ca> wrote: In article <2rvnl9INNjed@CS.UTK.EDU>
>>> peek@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Michael Peek) writes:
>>>> : >How many readers would be interested in an officially-compiled and :
>>>> >supported version of POVRAY, with X-Windows support, for LINUX ???
>>>> 
>>>> : Yes, I'm interested in POVRAY for Linux.  : Patrick Reijnen
>>>> 
>>>> I'm voting yes too.  Mike Peek - peek@math.utk.edu
>>>> 
>>> Me too !  --
>
>>> Me too !!
>
>And I!
>
Moi aussi! Not that I am French, but it was getting a little
monotonous :)
-- 
===================================================================
Carsten Whimster              --- EDM/2 Associate Editor
bcrwhims@uwaterloo.ca         --- EDM/2 Book Review columnist
                              --- TEAM-OS/2

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From: bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster)
Subject: Re: Will my cdrom work?, and mine too (Sony) ?
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 13:18:47 GMT

In article <2shk0q$k5r@garion.it.com.au>,
Karl Ferguson <figjam@garion.it.com.au> wrote:
>Hi Everyone.
>
>I run OS/2 and I am going to convert over to Linux.  <smile>
>I have a NEC CDR55JD cdrom attached to a Trantor T130 SCSI adapter, can I run BOTH of these under Linux?  Please email replies.  Thanks  :)

I have a Sony CD31a with a Sony CD330?? adapter. Does this combination
work with LINUX?

Thanks,
-- 
===================================================================
Carsten Whimster              --- EDM/2 Associate Editor
bcrwhims@uwaterloo.ca         --- EDM/2 Book Review columnist
                              --- TEAM-OS/2

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From: las@light-house.uucp
Subject: Re: [Q] Has Fractint been ported?
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 17:06:12 GMT
Reply-To: whome!light-house!las@planix.com

Tailchaser (jad7084@tntech.edu) wrote:
: I was just wondering if it had been ported, yet, or indeed if it's
: possible.  Sorry to waste bandwidth for my curiosity,

 Yes, although the Integer Math engine which is at the core
 of the program (and after which Fractint is named )
 has not been ported yet.  
 
 Under Unix, it is called Xfractint and you can get  it from
 nic.funet.fi:/pub/OS/Linux/extra/xfractint1.2.tar.gz
 
 If you want to try a new port, I have the DOS sources for Fractint 17.3
 as well. Mail me if interested.
 
 
 
 

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From: bagwill@sst.ncsl.nist.gov (Bob Bagwill)
Subject: Re: Using CD-ROM recorder with Linux
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 14:02:49 GMT

Phil Howard (phil@zeus.fasttax.com) wrote:
: Is there any information about using a CD-ROM recorder with Linux?

I don't know beans about it, but here's a couple of peas :-)

One of the big problems people have creating disks is that burning a CD
is a one-pass, no-stopping operation.  CD makers often buy special disk
drives that do not interrupt the data flow with the usual disk
recalibration.  Given that Linux is a multi-tasking system, it might be
difficult to keep the input stream full without having a huge buffer in
the SCSI adapter.

--
Bob Bagwill
rbagwill@nist.gov

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From: F.SCHMIDT@BIONIC.zer.de (Florian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: XFree86 question
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 23:00:00 +0000

reply on user remkes@dynamo.geof.ruu.nl


> Using X, one can shell to a virtual console using CRTL-ALT-F1, ..-F2,
> etcetera.
> But how does one get back into X????
>
> Sorry if this is a FAQ but I couldnt find the answer anywhere.
>
> Maarten

if you have, for example, 8 vt's, just try <alt>-<f9>


this works for me...





--
florian schmidt - der kaempfer gegen die rechtschreibung und fuer ungehemmte kommunikation
GMU -d+ -p+ c++ l u--- e* m--- s++/+ !n f? g+ w+ t+ r y?
## CrossPoint v3.0 ##

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From: ericy@cais.cais.com (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: AHA-1542CF+QUANTUM L525S
Date: 2 Jun 1994 21:28:02 GMT

In article <Cqp90D.CK1@cnw15.coles.com.au>,
Ian Nicholls <iann@coles.com.au> wrote:
>zeller@zot.iipo.gtegsc.com (Craig Zeller) writes:
>>Wei-Jou Chen (jou@pdlc.ep.nctu.edu.tw) wrote:
>>Many of the newer generation of SCSI drives have a jumper which enables
>>(disables) spindle motor spinup on power-on.
>
>You also need the 1542 to send the startup command to the disk.  If the
>disk has 'wait for start' enabled and the controller doesn't send it,
>then the above error will occur.

        Linux does (should, anyway - I have not tested this) try to spin
up all disk drives that are not removable and report themselves as being
"not ready".  It takes them one at a time, so as not to overload the power
supply. 

-Eric


-- 
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep.  But I have promises to keep,
And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep."

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From: hansp@oslonett.no (Hans Petter Fasteng)
Subject: limmit users HD space
Date: 3 Jun 1994 16:35:56 +0200

Is it possible to set a limit on a users available diskspace under linux,
without making a partition for each user?

-hans  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * The fish in the sea are as good as the fish removed.
                                                      

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From: hansp@oslonett.no (Hans Petter Fasteng)
Subject: more - Broken Pipe
Date: 3 Jun 1994 16:35:58 +0200

  Larry@tarik.Demon.Co.Uk,
  In a message on 1 June, wrote :

la> Anyone else getting a Broken Pipe error when piping through 'more' or is
la> it just me (particulary on an xterm).
la> 
la> I am using Slackware 1.2 (linux 1.1.8).
la> 
la> Thanks
la> 
la> 

   I am not getting this when using more, but if I try to print with lpr I
get it if the file is larger then 1 mb.  Mabye it is a bug?? I asked around
here but no one was able to fix or give me a tip of how to fix it.  I finaly
solved the problem using the -s siwth to lpr, but this was only a solution
for now, since the file can not be edited or in anny whay while printing.

 -hans  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * No one test the depth of a river with both feet.
                                                   

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From: edwardb@netcom.com (Edward Baichtal)
Subject: Changing your hostname...
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 15:19:26 GMT

To completely change your hostname on a new install of Linux, what
files need to be changed that would affect e-mail?  I seem to be able to
send mail out via uucp, uuname -l tells me the correct thing, but somewhere
in sendmail, it doesn't believe that I am what my hostname says I am, and only
local mail does not get delivered.
-- 
Edward Baichtal
edwardb@netcom.com

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From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 08:06:14 GMT

In article <1994Jun2.203034.25501@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:
>In article <1994Jun2.054917.2415@truffula.sj.ca.us> cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) writes:
>>(ps.  Installing Slackware 1.2.0 on another drive.  Friggin' *beautiful*
>>job, Peter!
>Peter?
>mdw [try `Patrick']

I am a clod.  It was very late.  Patrick J. Volkerding's 1.2.0 is a nice
piece of work.  Good eye, Matt.

Cameron

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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: 3 Jun 1994 10:11:42 -0400

dleeds@MCS.COM (Daniel Leeds) writes:

>: How do you use virtual consoles on FreeBSD?

>Compile with SYSCONS and RTFM.

Actually, what the FM doesn't mention is that, unlike Linux consoles, 
you can't switch to a FreeBSD console unless it is "open", and the only
way to make a console open is to make it someone's controlling tty.  I
suggest you (Alex) edit /etc/ttys and enable some of the gettys on the
higher console numbers.  This confused me as well; the source was ever
so much more helpful than the manual.

I think people used to Linux have a worse time than those not used to
UNIX at all; we assume so many things that were true under Linux
but aren't under *BSD.

And don't forget to compile in some of the K00L screensavers.  Nothing
more amusing to me than a little ASCII snake made of the letters 
"FreeBSD" working its way around my screen.

-- 
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W@@@W__        |-\      ^        | disclaimer:  <---> "Bow before ZOD!" __W@@@W
W@@@@**~~~'  ro|-<ert s/_\ nders |   who am I???  ^  from Superman  '~~~**@@@@W
`*MV' hi,ocie! |-/ad! /   \ss!!  | ooga ooga!!    |    II (cool)!         `VW*'

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From: ruben@stonehenge.ac.upc.es (Ruben Masip )
Subject: two different name servers
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 13:14:11 GMT



I want to configure a machine as a client in D.N.S., i would like that it querystwo diferent name servers, first one and if it has no the solution, ask the second one, my resolv.conf looks like:

        domain aso.fib
        nameserver 200.100.100.100
        nameserver 200.100.100.101

But it only asks to the 200.100.100.100, it do not mind if it resolve the quetion or not, the machine never asks to 200.100.100.101, is there anyone who have had the same trouble?

Please asnwer me showing a example of the resolv.conf.

                        thanks in advance.



                    o O                                         
             o o O O  O                   o O O O O Ruben Masip Gonzalez .....                          
      o o o o o o o . . .   _____=======_||____          
    o      _____           || ruben@ac.upc.es |          
  .][__n_n_|DD[  ====_____  | (93) 457.71.41  |     o    
 >(________|__|_[_________]_|_________________|~~~\/!\    -UH OH!  o__, 
 _/oo OOOOO oo`  ooo   ooo   'o!o         o!o`     / \/           ,>_/-_ 
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-    \             (*)`\(*)

                  
 

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From: njbirdman@aol.com (NJBIRDMAN)
Subject: Re: KA9Q?
Date: 3 Jun 1994 11:39:02 -0400

In article <1994Jun3.023953.24326@kf8nh.wariat.org>,
bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

 I'm
targeting JNOS/Linux at hams who already have JNOS setups but are
really
strapped for memory; it's pretty much a drop-in replacement for JNOS
1.08df

Maybe you can help. I have j109lxa3. I am having difficulty compiling
it. I have tried on 2 machines, one with LGX (Yggdrasil) Linux and
kernel 1.10, and also on my 386 with SLS Linus kernel 99.pl13. 
Identical problem on both, I get to compiling curses, and in curses.c
there is a warning in line
434 about function getattrs. Then, when attemping to creat nos, I
get-
curses.c XXX (linux.a(curses.o): Undefined symbol _gettattrs
referenced from text segment. I get 5 occurrences of this, in lines
(XXX above) 434, 489, 496, 524 and 533. (I am using ncurses 1.8 in
both machines, and even tried another copy of the ncurses package)

I am very new to both Linux and C programming, so this probably has
an obvious answer...what is it?

Thanks,

John N4JS (njbirdman@aol.com)


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