Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #206
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Date:     Fri, 3 Jun 94 00:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #206, Volume #2                 Fri, 3 Jun 94 00:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  SLIP or PPP??? (Vital Meyer, Bauphysik)
  Re: A System I am ordering.... (news@uncc.edu)
  Appletalk interface options? CAP? UAR? (Gasparian)
  Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial) (Matt Welsh)
  Re: A System I am ordering.... (Bulldawg (Ken Pearce))
  Linux Foundation (Tomohiro Shibata)
  Emulating 256 color X display (Ingar F Pedersen)
  [Q] Has Fractint been ported? (Tailchaser)
  TERM for VMS Multinet (hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu)
  Re: WinNT vs. Linux as Internet Gateway? (Gary Ritchie)
  Re: retire Linux drive (Attila Toth)
  Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13 (Robert Sanders)
  Re: LWPS (was Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)) (Robert Sanders)
  Re: Computerworld says "Expose, Schmexpose" (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist) (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13 (Simon Ferrett)
  Large Hard Drives (the 1024 cyclinders limit?) (Bulldawg (Ken Pearce))
  nntpsend problems under Linux - it almost works (Dana Bolden)

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From: meyer@iqe.ethz.ch (Vital Meyer, Bauphysik)
Subject: SLIP or PPP???
Date: 2 Jun 1994 16:16:52 GMT
Reply-To: meyer@iqe.ethz.ch

i have to decide me between a PPP or a SLIP connection
to my university. what's the better choice (is PPP possible..
drivers etc.?)

thanks          vital

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From: news@uncc.edu
Subject: Re: A System I am ordering....
Date: 2 Jun 1994 12:23:00 -0400

Bulldawg (Ken Pearce) <kpearce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>I have this system that has been quoted to me by several vendors.  I want
>to make sure that this syetm will work using *current drivers*.
>
>Has anybody got suggestions/comments regarding this system?
>
>       ASUS Pentium-60 PCI bus 256K cache ZIF
>       32 Meg RAM (70ns)
>       2 gigabyte hard drive, 8.5 ms, IBM
>       Adaptec 2940 ISA SCSI controller
>       3.5" floppy
>       NEC SCSI Double Speed CD-ROM
>       ATI Graphics Pro PCI Local Bus Video Adapter (MACH64 chipset?)
>       MAG MX-17G, 0.26mm dp, 1280x1024 NI, 17" monitor
>       Tower
>       3 button mouse
>               asking for $7008 (lowest bid so far from DATAPRO)
>
>Problems?  Questions?  Good System?
>

I have one suggestion: at that price point, why not spend the extra
~$400 and get a P5-90 system?  Trust me... it will pay for itself
in the long run, if only because it is the next-gen 3.3V part.  If
you saddle yourself with the 5V part (P5-60,66) you will be kicking
yourself when the 150MHz P5's hit the market, since they are almost
certainly going to be 3.3V processors.

The 32MB of RAM, OTOH, is a sound investment.  The only problems you
might encounter: getting Linux's fdisk to work properly with that
gigantic HD, and the fact that a Mach64 driver for X hasn't gone into
development yet.  It will, though.  ATI's pretty good about developer
support... that's why the XFree-86 crowd recommends them so often.

Hope this helps.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Trevor A. Fiatal------------------------Computer Engineering, UNC-Charlotte
tafiatal@uncc.edu-------------------Project Mosaic PC Network Administrator
"System error: Volume /earth is full.  Please delete anyone you can."

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: gaspo@netcom.com (Gasparian)
Subject: Appletalk interface options? CAP? UAR?
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 16:13:27 GMT

Greetings all!
    I am currently trying to integrate a mac-appletalk-TP network to our
linux server, but have run into that money barrier.  If we had an extra
$1500 in the budget, I would just get a Shiva or Gatorbox to take care
of the AP<->ether connection, and CAP and UAR to handle the routing.
But, since I _don't_ have that extra cash, does anybody know of an
alternative solutions to the hardware link?  Has anybody got CAP to work
with an old PC-TOPS card or other cheaper Appletalk interfaces?

    Basically, I want to have mac-tcp running on our old macplus (i.e.,
no ethernet), and my 486 linux box doing the Fastpath buisness.

--gaspo.

-             Scott "gaspo" Gasparian                - Umwelt    -
- Instructor/SysAdmin     - Product R+D Director     -  Schutzen,-
- Lick Wilmerding H.S.    - Gaspo's Gadgets Pty Ltd. - Rad       -
- 755 Ocean Ave, S.F.,CA. - gaspo@netcom.com         -  Benutzen.-



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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Latest in PC WEEK (May 30 Editorial)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 20:30:34 GMT

In article <1994Jun2.054917.2415@truffula.sj.ca.us> cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) writes:
>Cameron, posting from *home*, on my own damned time, thanks for asking.
>(ps.  Installing Slackware 1.2.0 on another drive.  Friggin' *beautiful*
>job, Peter!  Try Slackware for a Soft Landing from an SLS bailout!!!)

Peter?

mdw [try `Patrick']


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From: kpearce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bulldawg (Ken Pearce))
Subject: Re: A System I am ordering....
Date: 2 Jun 1994 16:53:31 GMT

In article <2sl114$gj6@unccsun.uncc.edu>,  <news@uncc.edu> wrote:
>Bulldawg (Ken Pearce) <kpearce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>
>>I have this system that has been quoted to me by several vendors.  I want
>>to make sure that this syetm will work using *current drivers*.
>>
>>Has anybody got suggestions/comments regarding this system?
>>
>>      ASUS Pentium-60 PCI bus 256K cache ZIF
>>      32 Meg RAM (70ns)
>>      2 gigabyte hard drive, 8.5 ms, IBM
>>      Adaptec 2940 ISA SCSI controller
>>      3.5" floppy
>>      NEC SCSI Double Speed CD-ROM
>>      ATI Graphics Pro PCI Local Bus Video Adapter (MACH64 chipset?)
>>      MAG MX-17G, 0.26mm dp, 1280x1024 NI, 17" monitor
>>      Tower
>>      3 button mouse
>>              asking for $7008 (lowest bid so far from DATAPRO)

7K is about what it takes to clean this account out before the end of the
grant period.

>>
>>Problems?  Questions?  Good System?
>>
>
>I have one suggestion: at that price point, why not spend the extra
>~$400 and get a P5-90 system?  Trust me... it will pay for itself
>in the long run, if only because it is the next-gen 3.3V part.  If
>you saddle yourself with the 5V part (P5-60,66) you will be kicking
>yourself when the 150MHz P5's hit the market, since they are almost
>certainly going to be 3.3V processors.

Does this mean that I will be unable to pull out the old P-60 chip 
and plug in a 3.3V chip?  But is this really a problem?  After all, 
motherboards are pretty cheap compared to the CPU (I just finished
upgrading a handful of AT's in the lab to 586DX2/66's).


>
>The 32MB of RAM, OTOH, is a sound investment.  The only problems you
>might encounter: getting Linux's fdisk to work properly with that
>gigantic HD, and the fact that a Mach64 driver for X hasn't gone into
>development yet.  It will, though.  ATI's pretty good about developer
>support... that's why the XFree-86 crowd recommends them so often.
>

But I suppose that one will have some video modes available for X-windows, just
not all available modes or am I completely mistaken?


>Hope this helps.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Trevor A. Fiatal------------------------Computer Engineering, UNC-Charlotte
>tafiatal@uncc.edu-------------------Project Mosaic PC Network Administrator
>"System error: Volume /earth is full.  Please delete anyone you can."



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From: tom@jsk.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Tomohiro Shibata)
Subject: Linux Foundation
Date: 1 Jun 1994 18:12:39 GMT

Hi everyone,
I constructed Linux Foundation in the Web World.
Its position is m(-17,-19). It's a isle in the small lake. :-)
I made only a link to the Linux Document home page.
Feel free to construct any other objects related to Linux.


--
===========================================================================
Tomohiro Shibata                  |email  tom@jsk.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Inoue-Inaba Laboratory,           |www    http://www.jsk.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~tom/
Department of Mechano-informatics,|
University of Tokyo; Japan        |

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From: ingar@cee.hw.ac.uk (Ingar F Pedersen)
Subject: Emulating 256 color X display
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 15:18:07 GMT

Hi.....

Is it possible to emulate a 256 color X display on a 16 color display.
This would be nice as I'm running Linux on a portable machine, and
this machine can only run the 16 color X display driver, and I think
it would be nice to be able to run X applications that require a 256 
color display.....

Thanks,

***************************************************************************
* Ingar F. Pedersen   *  e-mail: ingar@cee.hw.ac.uk                       *
* Computer Science    *                                                   * 
* Heriot Watt Uni.    *  Another boring .sig that doesn't mean anything    *
* Edinburgh           *  at all.                                          *
***************************************************************************

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From: jad7084@tntech.edu (Tailchaser)
Subject: [Q] Has Fractint been ported?
Date: 2 Jun 94 11:42:17 -0600

I was just wondering if it had been ported, yet, or indeed if it's
possible.  Sorry to waste bandwidth for my curiosity,

jad7084@tntech.edu (Jim Davis)
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From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu
Subject: TERM for VMS Multinet
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 23:42:28 GMT

Is there a version of TERM that supports or runs under VMS 
Multinet? My host is a VMS system running multinet for the 
internet connection.

Thanks,

Helen

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From: gary@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Gary Ritchie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup,utah.linux
Subject: Re: WinNT vs. Linux as Internet Gateway?
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:49:46

In article <rob.169.0A3F00CE@eats.com> rob@eats.com (Rob Newberry) writes:
>I've never seen a finger SERVER for 
>NT; there's a client for almost everything.

I'm writing one, but I'm currently task-switched to a different project, and 
probably won't be finishing my finger server for another month or so.


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From: attila@aragon.bb.bawue.de (Attila Toth)
Subject: Re: retire Linux drive
Date: 2 Jun 1994 10:44:59 +0200

Donald VuKovic (dvukovic@csn.org) wrote:

: I purchased a new larger IDE drive for my Linux system. The old drive I
: wish to sell. I've deleted the partition with my Linux ( SLS ) disk and
: setup a partition with my DOS fdisk program. Now whenever I try to boot,
: LILO is still there and crashes because of no Linux on the disk.

: How do I get rid of LILO from my boot track. ( I've tried sys.com but,
: LILO's still there??? )

For a while I had a similar problem. My unterstanding of Yours is:

You probably installed LILO, intentional or not, into the MasterBootRecord.
Running fdisk will only delete/overwrite the PartitionTable but not the
PrimaryBootLoader.

There are 2 ways to remove LILO:
================================
  1) if You have a Backup of your MBR, try the 'dd' command under Linux:

       dd if=<BackupOfMBR> of=<DiskDeviceFile> bs=512 count=1

     for example, the Backup of MBR is in file '/boot/bootsector'
     and the DeviceFile of the disk is '/dev/hda1':

       dd if=/boot/bootsector of=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1

  2) if You have DOS5.x or newer boot it and try

       fdisk /mbr

     If this doesn't work, then perform a DOS installation on your old disk.
     This must do it.

Always look on the bright side of life...
--
                                                   -------------------------
Attila L. Toth                                     attila@aragon.bb.bawue.de
============================================================================


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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13
Date: 27 May 1994 00:27:38 -0400

rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC) writes:

>Ce brave C. S. Hendrix ecrit:

>> : Oh, and there are three of us.  ;)

>> Four!  I hate the proc based stuff... long live kmem based ps!

>Ok, add me to the list: Five :-)

Hey, I like being able to use utilities I compiled long ago for
different kernel versions!  I love the proc stuff!  I don't run
'ps' a thousand times a second, so speed doesn't matter!  Whoo-hoo!

One strike against the kmem suite, one for the proc suite.  Guys,
rather than expending energy to run in place with the kmem suite,
why don't you enhance the proc suite to do what you want?  What?
Too logical?  No chance to bitch?  Never mind, then.

-- 
 _g,  '96 --->>>>>>>>>>   gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu  <<<<<<<<<---  CompSci  ,g_
W@@@W__        |-\      ^        | disclaimer:  <---> "Bow before ZOD!" __W@@@W
W@@@@**~~~'  ro|-<ert s/_\ nders |   who am I???  ^  from Superman  '~~~**@@@@W
`*MV' hi,ocie! |-/ad! /   \ss!!  | ooga ooga!!    |    II (cool)!         `VW*'

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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: LWPS (was Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again))
Date: 27 May 1994 00:31:47 -0400

byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:

>That could work. I'm still partial to having the W (for Word) in the
>acronym.

And before ye shall write a thing, ye shall name it.  Be careful: I
know a lot of good magazines and bands that dies simply because they
spent too much time naming and making T-shirts.

>-I do have a question, though:  suppose a user pulled up a doc and said, "Oh,
>-I've changed my mind.  I don't want that item bold-face anymore."  How
>-would that user do that?  

>Ideally the user would drag a mouse over the text they want to change. Then
>press a mouse button to get a pop-up menu. Then select the new attribute
>for the currently selected text (in this case, change to normal). If the
>user had selected an area that was all the same then then tags on both
>ends would change to reflect the change. If it's a mix of attribute then
>multiple tags would have to be thrown in to mark the beginning and end
>of the changed text. In either case either the color of the attribute
>would change, or in the WYSIWYG model, the actual font.

I guess I'm missing something.  You want both WYSIWYG-mouse-popup-menu things
but you don't want it to be X-only?  Er, so, you gonna hack a mouse into
termcap?

-- 
 _g,  '96 --->>>>>>>>>>   gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu  <<<<<<<<<---  CompSci  ,g_
W@@@W__        |-\      ^        | disclaimer:  <---> "Bow before ZOD!" __W@@@W
W@@@@**~~~'  ro|-<ert s/_\ nders |   who am I???  ^  from Superman  '~~~**@@@@W
`*MV' hi,ocie! |-/ad! /   \ss!!  | ooga ooga!!    |    II (cool)!         `VW*'

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Computerworld says "Expose, Schmexpose"
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 23:53:45 GMT

In article <1994Jun2.000012.2314@light-house.uucp>, whome!light-house!las@planix.com says:
+---------------
| Rob Wolf (acc-corp@tigger.jvnc.net) wrote:
| : We do know:
| : -Torvalds was first contacted by Novell about the possibility of their doing
| : such a thing based on Linux 9 months ago, and Novell technical people have
| 
| Where do you get this info? Could you be a bit more speecific?
+------------->8

Linus posted something about it some time ago, after the initial reports about
"Expose".  Unfortunately, I don't seem to have archived it.  :-(

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Linux vs *BSD (new twist)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 00:04:37 GMT

In article <2sl6o3$pvs@aurora.engr.latech.edu>, ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos) says:
+---------------
| other.  However, I'd like to add an observation: The Linux Slackware
| 1.2.0 distribution is much superior to the FreeBSD 1.1 BinDist.  You
| get a much more usable system when you're done installing, all within
| roughly the same amount of disk space.  Any comments?
+------------->8

Depends on your definition of "usable".  FreeBSD has a different target
audience; to them, I'm sure Slackware Linux is (a) less "usable" or (b) overly
bloated with "trash" or (c) both.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: c9108932@peach.newcastle.edu.au (Simon Ferrett)
Subject: Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 00:43:05 GMT

rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC) writes:
>Ce brave C. S. Hendrix ecrit:
>> lilo (SpRiNg 94 GpA 3.64) (lilo@slip-5-16) wrote:
>> : Oh, and there are three of us.  ;)
>> Four!  I hate the proc based stuff... long live kmem based ps!
>Ok, add me to the list: Five :-)

ok it seems there are quite a few of us kmem lovers - in fact some kind
person posted to the kernel mailing list a big patch which I applied`
and it worked tremendously.  When I get home I will tidy the sources`
up a bit and upoad them to sunsites incoming dir as
kmem-ps-1.1.13.tar.gz then we can all enjoy.

my apologies to the person who did the patch, I dont have the mail
floating around and I cant remember who it was so I'm unable to fully
credit you here.  Top job.`


-- 
Simon Ferrett - c9108932@cs.newcastle.edu.au
Floccinaucinihilipilification: the action or habit of estimating as
=============================  worthless.

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From: kpearce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bulldawg (Ken Pearce))
Subject: Large Hard Drives (the 1024 cyclinders limit?)
Date: 2 Jun 1994 20:58:48 GMT


Am I going to have troble with a 2.1 Gig Hard Drive (SCSI) simply due
to LINUX limitations??? (such as maximum number of cylinders????)


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From: Dana.Bolden@launchpad.unc.edu (Dana Bolden)
Crossposted-To: news.config
Subject: nntpsend problems under Linux - it almost works
Date: 3 Jun 1994 03:48:19 GMT

Hi all.  I'm sorry if I've picked the wrong group(s) - let me know where I
should ask and I'll go away :-). 

I almost have my new news server working.  Articles are comming
in fine and local and remote readers can connect, read, and post. 
nntpsend is misbehaving, though.  I am using the inn binaries that "came
with" the Slackware Linux distribution (the latest one, I think - I am
working on news and someone else set up (is setting up) the system as a
whole).  The symptoms of my problem are:

The server has been shutdown and restarted.  I have a site and a site.nntp
file in my /var/spool/news/out.going directory.  nntpsend is run by cron
(I am running it once per hour for now) or by news manually.  site is
moved to site.work, nothing is written to syslog, outbound article
headers are written to site.work as they are posted.

Now nntpsend is run again.  site.work is added to site.nntp (I can tell by
examining the file contents and by adding the file sizes), site.work is
deleted, and NO site file is created (seems that the ctlinnd flush part of
nntpsend isn't being run).  Still nothing is written to syslog. Now, of
course, posted articles ARE NOT added to the site file ('cause it doesn't
exist).  If I run the ctlinnd flush command exactly as it appears in
nntpsend manually as news, site IS created and articles headers can be
written to it as expected, and the flush is noted in syslog.  I don't
think any of nntpsend is working correctly since none of my test articles
have apperaed in triangle.test for over 48 hours, but I need to give them
a little longer to be sure - the ones posted while a site file exists
*may* be getting fed correctly. 

I don't know a lot about shell scripts (I think that's what nntpsend is -
right??) but I do have a more knowledgeable person (actually two of 'em)
helping, and we haven't found any problems.  I'll send any config or other
files to anyone who can help.  If anyone has nntpsend working under Linux
I would very much like to hear from you! 

Thanks,
Dana
==========
dana@dem.ehnr.state.nc.us (preferred - all opinions are my own, etc.)
dbolden@aol.com (this one costs $$, so don't expect a quick reply)
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