Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #193
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Date:     Tue, 31 May 94 08:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #193, Volume #2                Tue, 31 May 94 08:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux Bible--Where? (Adam J. Richter)
  Re: How do I program MPU-401/GUS ? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM! (Chuck Whealton)
  Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM (Charles Liu)
  Re: Linux Bible--Where? (Charles Liu)
  Re: Universal CD-ROM sells Ameri-Transtech LINUX 1.x (Charles Liu)
  Re: Norton utilities trash lilo (Luke Wilson)
  Re: Term114 Problem..HELP (Patrick Reijnen)
  Re: Viruses and Linux (Kevin Marcus)
  Re: 4 MB too little for linux (Luke Wilson)
  Re: 4 MB too little for linux (Alan Cox)
  Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM (Ian Parkin)
  Xconfig ..to.. S3, HELP? (Andrew C. F. Wong)
  Re: Viruses and Linux (James D. Levine)
  cache server in linux (Ruben Masip)
  Re: LAN vs. linux (Marc ter Horst)
  Re: 4 MB too little for linux (Mihail Stilianov Iotov)

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From: adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
Subject: Re: Linux Bible--Where?
Date: 30 May 1994 21:54:39 GMT

In article <45670@mindlink.bc.ca>,
Albert McClure <Albert_McClure@mindlink.bc.ca> wrote:
>        A week or two back, I read in this group that a hardcopy edition of
>the Linux Bible was available.  Can someone tell me where it can be
>purchased?

        We have begun shipping the first copies of The Linux Bible.
We shipped a few copies on Thursday, and cleared our backlog of
individual orders on Friday, so tomorrow morning many of you will be
receiving the copies that you ordered.  We still have a backlog of
reseller orders, but we expect to clear that backlog as soon as the
next shipment arrives, which should be tomorrow or the day after.  By
the end of the week, you should be able to get a copy from your
favorite Yggdrasil reseller.  If you're impatient and you don't mind
paying for shipping the four pound phone-book sized manual, you can
order a copy directly from us.

        The Linux Bible is also available as "The Linux Documentation
Project" in a plain white cover from Linux System Labs.  Both books
are printed on recycled paper.


-- 
Adam J. Richter                     -      --------------   "Free software for
adam@yggdrasil.com                    \  /                   the rest of us."
4880 Stevens Creek Blvd., Suite 205    || g g d r a s i l    408-261-6630
San Jose, CA 95129-1034                ||  Computing Inc.    fax 408-261-6631

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: How do I program MPU-401/GUS ?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 22:53:39 GMT

In <2scoft$f68@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> tola@network.cc.jyu.fi (Teemu Lahteenmaki) writes:

>The first attempt seemed to got junked, better luck this time..

>Question: Is there any FAQs, docs, specs or anything availble on how
>to use the /midi or /sequencer devices (were there others ?).
>I am trying to send and receive bytes trough MPU-401 and GUS MIDI ports.

>With DOS this is easilly done trough IO addresses, but how are the
>midi related devices supposed to be used ? I have the drivers added into
>the kernel..

>Example code most welcome.

Get the "gmod" and "adagio" programs... they access the device drivers
for playing .MOD and .MID files.

Rob
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From: chuck@hopi.dtcc.edu (Chuck Whealton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM!
Date: 31 May 1994 01:52:55 -0400

In article <CqMtnH.IqF@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Carsten Whimster <bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>In article <2scugn$dsc@openlink.openlink.com>,
>Roman Yanovsky  roman@btr.com <roman@btr.btr.com> wrote:

>>Send us ANY OLD CDROM Software Title in ANY condition, and we'll mail
>>the great Trans-Ameritech Linux Plus CDROM for ONLY $20.

>Does anyone have any experience with these people? How are they? Is
>the CD worth it ($20 or ~$40, I guess)? How is this compared to the
>Walnut Creek stuff?


<eoq>

I for one will be *MORE* than happy to vouch for these people.  Not
only is it an excellent product, but I needed some information that
revolved *AROUND* the competitive upgrade (I am also a customer of
theirs) and although it's a holiday here in the US, they *INSTANTLY*
got back to me.  Without going into a long story, these people will go
to great lengths to please their customers - at least they have for me
and I'm just a normal "one CD here and one CD there" customer.  Their
shipping is fast too.

The Linux installation is so easy it's not even funny and you also get
a copy of the NETbsd OS to try if you want.

Yea, I'd be more than happy to vouch for TransAmeritech any day -
especially when I just ordered a CD-ROM from a competitor about 2.5
weeks ago and still haven't gotten it due to errors stamping out the
disks.  That problem has never happened when I ordered from
TransAmeritech. 

Chuck Whealton


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From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 06:35:50 GMT


Universal CD-ROM (tm) would honor the upgrade to Trans-Ameritech Linux 
for $20 from any current or older release of Linux from any distributions.
(This offer is subject to change)

Universal CD-ROM (tm)
1645 S. Bascom Ave., #7
Camobell, CA 95008
498-369-9818
alte@rahul.net

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End of Note

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From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: Re: Linux Bible--Where?
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 06:44:28 GMT


Universal CD-ROM (tm) will have the book available for reselling as soon 
as we receive them from Yggdrasil.

Universal CD-ROM
1645 S. Bascom Ave., #7
Camobell, CA 95008
408-369-9818
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End of Note

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From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: Re: Universal CD-ROM sells Ameri-Transtech LINUX 1.x
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 06:49:19 GMT

Correction: The "Ameri-Transtech" in Subject should be "Trans-Ameritech".
-- 
End of Note

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From: luke@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz (Luke Wilson)
Subject: Re: Norton utilities trash lilo
Date: 31 May 1994 10:34:41 GMT

paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:

>Hi there!

>I have had a nasty experience with the Norton Utilities, both older
>versions and the new one. When I start the diskchecker, Norton checks
>among others the bootsector, detects lilo and reports something
>amiss with that sector. So far so good.

>After that it asks whether it should correct the problem (Yes, No, Cancel).
>*BUT* regardless what I answer now it proceeds and thrashes lilo so
>I have to dig out my boot diskettes for Linux and reinstall lilo
>correctly.

>Have others had this nasty experience?

>Hans Paijmans

>-- 
>Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of
>gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het
>oorspronkelijk is geplaatst.  Nothing of the above may be cited
>outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted.

I'm using Norton Utilities v7, and it checks my disk every time I boot
dos. I've never had it trash Linux.

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From: patrickr@sci.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: Term114 Problem..HELP
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 07:41:14 GMT

In <Cqn9A3.Hy0@news.Hawaii.Edu> jiching@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Jimen Ching) writes:

>Harvey J. Stein (hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il) wrote:
>>In article <2s8284$qjs@news.umbc.edu> jtaylo4@umbc.edu (J.Erick
>>Taylor) writes:
>>   I've got Term114 setup and working with an Sgi, but I'm having one
>>   problem. I can run trsh -s <command> just fine, yet when i try and
>>work-around, try using tredir + telnet.  For example (done on the
>>local side, which I assume is not the SGI):
>>tredir 4000 23
>>telnet localhost 4000

>i noticed there's always mention of telnet and ftp for term.  but unless
>i've mistaken, telnet and ftp requires network services setup.  ie. inetd
>running and inetd.conf created.  no where in the docs for term is there
>any mention of this.  i don't even have telnet on my linux box.  so the
>above wouldn't do me any good.  or maybe i'm missing something?
>--jc

In the docs for term nothing is mentioned about inetd(.conf). But in the 'README''s coming with termtelnet and ncftp it is mentioned how to make entries in inetd.conf for termtelnet and ncftp. And yes, you need to have network services setup........... :-)

>--
>Jimen Ching (WH6BRR)                   jiching@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu
>University of Hawaii                   wh6brr@uhm.ampr.org
>College of Engineering

Patrick Reijnen

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* Patrick Reijnen                                                 *
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* Email: patrickr@{sci,cs}.kun.nl    (Make your choice)           *

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From: datadec@corsa.ucr.edu (Kevin Marcus)
Subject: Re: Viruses and Linux
Date: 31 May 1994 10:22:13 GMT

In article <9C9OB46N@math.fu-berlin.de>,
Markus Wischerath <mw@spinfo.Uni-Koeln.DE> wrote:
>
>ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard) writes:
>> 
>> Can anyone E-Mail me some information about viruses and Linux and how about
>> anti-viruses.
>> 
>Um, what do you mean? There are no Unix viruses you need to worry about at
>this point in time. There are a few lab-only viruses, and the only one that
>could possibly spread beteween different hardware platforms is a shell-
>script infector. 
>
>As for MS-DOG viruses, they don't work under Linux... well, some "well-
>behaved" ones *may* work under dosemu. If you catch an DBR/MBR infector, 
>Linux will crash. Putting LILO in your MBR is a good protection against 
>Stoned and such critters. :) The best DOG-based antivirus program is 
>F-Prot, BTW.   
>

LILO will be obliterated by a virus like Stoned.  The most usual way for
someone to get an MBR or Boot Sector infector is striaght from an 
infected floppy.  Typically, a person places an infected disk into drive a:,
and they boot up the computer, with that disk there, and drive A: boots
enabled.  Usually, the virus installs itself into memory, and infects
the first physical hard drive by copying the original bs/mbr to another
location on the hard drive (usually over lilo or similar importatn disk
data), and then places a copy of itself on the original MBR or BS, so that
when you next boot up, it will be there, execute, and read in/execute the
old BS/MBR after it has installed itself into memory.  The problem is
that mostly all these viruses are written such that they will be able to
run on DOS, not Linux.  They will be overwritten in memory by Linux, if
it should be lucky enough to boot up.

Most viruses will execute without problem under the dos emulator to some
extent.  I've had a few occasional ones lock up the whole computer, and a
few others just thrash about and eventually quit the emulator.

Aside from the very realistic possibility of someone writing a virus
specifically made to infect Linux binaries, as you pointed out, there is a 
very easy way to make very portable unix viruses -> scripts.  So long as
a user has access to some files, if a certain script were executed, it
could run around nd find other files owned by that user, see if they look
like they are also scripts, and if so, modify them to become "infected"

If the author of such a horrid construction should know of a simply hole to
get root access on a series of systems, then the problem could be very
bad, very fast.

On what basis do you claim that F-Prot is the best scanner?  
There is not such thing as a "BEST" scanner.  There *IS* such thing as a
best selling scanner, or even a "better" defense against viruses.  Oh,
you must be talkign about the integrity checker that it has, right? Er...
Try somethign else, like Norton Anti-Virus 3.0 for a better all-round
general protection.  Plus, when something goes wrong, you have someone
you can call up that will take care of you.

If you are really worried about viruses, try a line of products you can
use against viruses -- a few good scanners, an integrity checker, and if
you don't know much about them, try to learn more.

-- 
  --=> Kevin Marcus:   datadec@ucrengr.ucr.edu,  tck@bend.ucsd.edu
  "ciafn  syoo,u  yroeua da rteh icso?o l ." <- Email for solution. 
  Computer  Science  Dept.,  University of California,  Riverside.
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From: luke@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz (Luke Wilson)
Subject: Re: 4 MB too little for linux
Date: 31 May 1994 10:46:14 GMT

bds@slcbdsipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce       Scott          TK  ) writes:

>Mr. Ed (ed.duomo@lambada.oit.unc.edu) wrote:

>[on Linux in 4 MB]

>: [...] Now with
>: kermit in one VT and nothing but the shell in another, linux thrashes
>: pretty badly even for the simplest of commands, e.g. ls. If I try to
>: login on a 3rd VT, it takes about 2-3 minutes till I'm dropped to the
>: shell.

>Set your swap space to something like 15 Megs. Mine thrashes like that
>only when running the C-compiler, or when initially loading emacs. Not
>even TeX is as bad for me as ls is for you.

>-- 
>Gruss,
>Dr Bruce Scott                             The deadliest bullshit is
>Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik       odorless and transparent
>bds@ipp-garching.mpg.de                               -- W Gibson

The thrashing is much worse on my machine when I use a swap file rather
than a swap partition. Still, I get X up in less time than he's getting
logged in.

speaking of thrashing... When I run things close to the limit here
(compiling the kernel while ghostscript is printing) anything being
printed gets corrupted - It isn't a lack of swap since there is usually
still 5 or 6 megs of that free. 
Anyone have any clues why this is / what kernel it's fixed in?
[Linux .99pl14, 4megs ram 16megs swap]


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: 4 MB too little for linux
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 09:33:30 GMT

In article <2se7ta$er3@glitnir.ifi.uio.no> kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:
>Using rxvt may save you swap space, but not much RAM. The code for
>Textronic emulation will simply not be paged in when in normal use.
>Also notice the delay when you press Ctrl-mouse button to bring up
>menus.

rxvt saves an awful lot of RAM too. No toolkit, no X support libraries bar
the X shared library. The latest rxvt is also smaller and faster. 

Alan


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From: iap@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Ian Parkin)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade: Linux Plus CD-ROM
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 07:43:21 GMT

: Traans Ameritech Competitive Upgrades.
: Does this offer include customers who want to send in previous versions
: of your CD (volume 2) to get the upgrade for $20 ?

The ad stated '.. ANY OLD CDROM Software Title in ANY condition ..'.

Therefore you can feel justified in putting your CD-ROM through any and all
treatments before you post it off to them. I recommend a thermal lance and an
industrial sand-blaster, but enough of my personal problems.

IAP
-- 
        Style, quality and price be damned, buy Australian !

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From: cfwong@csd.hku.hk (Andrew C. F. Wong)
Subject: Xconfig ..to.. S3, HELP?
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 05:57:41 GMT

Dear ALL,
 
         I really have problem to work out my own Xconfig. Thus, I
         bare to ask your help again. Here is my spec:

         AcerView 33D (poor i know)
         - Bandwidth 45MHz
         - Horizontal Frequency 31.5/35.6/35.5 KHz
         - Vertical Frequency 50-90 Hz

         S3-924 ISA BUS ( w/ AMI BIOS)

         All fonts are installed.
         A 3-button Genius Mouse is there (com1 at DOS).
                            
         I want to prevent my parts from being damaged, and the 
         XFree86 that I am using is 2.1.0 (not 2.1.1). In the view
         of this spec, I would like to run X at 800x600x256. 
         Would you help by emailing me a correct Xconfig? and instruct
         me to take the necessary steps eg. linking Xserver ....
            
         Since my Linux system has just been setup, you can assume that
         everything is at its right place/location. It's slackware
         1.2.0.
                                                              
         With Thousands Thanks!
            
Andrew
CS year1
cfwong@csd.hku.hk


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From: jdl@netcom.com (James D. Levine)
Subject: Re: Viruses and Linux
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 10:50:47 GMT

Has anybody heard of instances of a virus activated under MS-DOS chomping on
a Linux (or other non-DOS) partition?  Currently I don't run any 
public-domain software under DOS, just on the outside chance.  

James

Eric Hausgaard (ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu) wrote:
: Can anyone E-Mail me some information about viruses and Linux and how about
: anti-viruses.

: Eric
: -- 
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From: ruben@gaudi (Ruben Masip )
Subject: cache server in linux
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 08:35:12 GMT


Hello I would be very pleased if someone could explain me how to configure a machine as a cache server, and if someone have had any troubles with it please explain it to me.
I have been trying to configure and I can not get it.



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From: mht@nuclint.nl (Marc ter Horst)
Subject: Re: LAN vs. linux
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 17:08:09 GMT

In article <3978@win.or.jp> g609296@win.or.jp (Barry Yip kam-wa) writes:
>From: g609296@win.or.jp (Barry Yip kam-wa)
>Subject: Re: LAN vs. linux
>Date: 27 May 94 03:30:40 GMT

>Serge Iourine (iourine@lourie.und.ac.za) wrote:
>>Serguei Iourine (iourine@che.und.ac.za) wrote:
>>: I've just installed linux on my computer but I have some problems with
>>: connecting it to lan which runs novell software.
>>: Could anybody tell me if there is:
>>: LINUX EQUIVALENT of IPXPKT (which will wrap up a tcp/ip packet with Novell 
>>: stuff that gets stripped off at the server).

>>Yes, this is what I am trying to do. Unfortunately it seems that our network
>>superviser is not quite competent with this sort of things. So I would like
>>to find out what exactly should be loaded on the Netware server to support 
>>TCP/IP. At the moment we can use telnet on our dos machines if  ipx and
>>ipxpkt are loaded, so I understand that our server has some ability to route
>>tcp packets, but if I load ne2000 packet driver with
>>pktipx at a dos machine, telnet does not work. And it does not work on
>>linux either.

>I guess you are using a one segment lan as your netware is a 10 users
>license. If that's true and if what you want is telnet only, I don't
>think you have to touch the netware server. There is no need to route
>IP packets through the server. If you have kermit and setup ODI in your
>dos box, you can telnet directly from kermit which IMHO is better than
>using the packet driver.

>If you really want to load the TCP/IP stuff on your server, try
>followings (replace 3c507 with your lan card driver and give an
>appropriate IP address):

>load tcp
>load 3c507 ethernet_ii
>bind ip to 3c507 adddr=192.81.171.101

Almost correct :-).
Load TCPIP [forward=[yes/no]] [rip=[yes/no]]
load 'driver-name' frame=ethernet_ii [name=Make_Up_A_Name]
bind ip to 'driver-name/Make_Up_A_Name' addr=193.78.22.121  [gate=
                                                      Gateway_address]

If you're smart you'll try to get the newest clibs and tcp/ip nlm versions 
from Novell.
On the client side try using odi with odipkt and ipx to get your software up 
and running (use the faq from comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, it's COMPLETE). 
You can always try and mail me directly, but be specific in your questions. 
These setup questions are hard to answer without sufficient info.

Marc.

>Hope this helps. Don't blame me if you break your server. No warranty at
>all.
>--
>Barry Yip
>g609296@win.or.jp

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From: iotov@beat.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mihail Stilianov Iotov)
Subject: Re: 4 MB too little for linux
Date: 31 May 1994 09:09:46 GMT

kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:

>++--- Matt Welsh:

>| I hope you mean rxvt !?
>|

>Using rxvt may save you swap space, but not much RAM. The code for
>Textronic emulation will simply not be paged in when in normal use.
>Also notice the delay when you press Ctrl-mouse button to bring up
>menus.

I have also found that my rxvt does not exit properly when shutting down 
the server and keeps eating lots of CPU.

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