Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #192
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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Date:     Tue, 31 May 94 01:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #192, Volume #2                Tue, 31 May 94 01:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Performance Measurement Utilities (Elaine Walton)
  (newbie) Recompile the Kernel? (Richard Moldovan)
  Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM! (Andries Brouwer)
  Re: Linux on Leading Edge? (Shannon Hendrix)
  Re: (newbie) Recompile the Kernel? (jonboy)
  Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM! (Stephen Parkinson)
  Re: Term114 Problem..HELP (Jimen Ching)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Shawn T. Amundson)
  Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM! (Charles Liu)
  DataBase Under Linux - compatible with Xenix ? (rodolfo@hal02.sarah.br)
  Re: 4 MB too little for linux (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
  Re: Linux Bible--Where? (Albert McClure)
  Re: [ANNOUNCE] mkpkg 1.0 released (Thanh Ma)
  Re: 4 MB too little for linux (Beeblebrox)
  Re: (newbie) Recompile the Kernel? (Robert G. Smith)
  Linux mailing lists (was Re: New Linux BBS under developement!) (Matthias Urlichs)
  A new idea for a Linux BBS (Randy Chapman)
  Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM! (Diego Novillo)

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From: ewalton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elaine Walton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Performance Measurement Utilities
Date: 30 May 1994 22:18:21 GMT

In article <dhdCqBBKG.J3v@netcom.com>, David H Dennis <dhd@netcom.com> wrote:
>I picked up a copy of the O'Reilly book 'System Performance Tuning' so
>that I could get a better sense for the health of my system.  It
>refers to utilities offered bin Berkley Unix and System V to gauge my
>system's status.
>
>These are iostat (disk statistics), sar (CPU usage), prdaily and
>perfmeter.  Anyone know if these utilities or things like them are
>available for Linux?
>
>Thanks!
>
>D
>

The tools I use/know of are `top' (an executable) and `sysinfo' (system
call).  In order to hook into sysinfo, I had to learn how to manually do
system calls (it was NOT in a library).
-Sean

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Reply-To: richmo@datasmart.win.net (Richard Moldovan)
From: richmo@datasmart.win.net (Richard Moldovan)
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 20:17:07 GMT
Subject: (newbie) Recompile the Kernel?

  OK, I've read all the FAQ's and HOWTO's I could put my eyes to. 
Many talk about recompling the kernel and running 'make config'.  I
have compiled before (Pascal ,C++) under DOS so I have a basic
understanding of what is being asked, but I don't seem to have the
directory 'usr/src/linux' on the drive.  Is it that I don't have a
full install? (Slackware- a,ap,x,xap,oop,tcl) . I would appreciate
any info thrown in my direction.
 


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: aeb@cwi.nl (Andries Brouwer)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM!
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 22:34:07 GMT

bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster) writes:

:In article <2scugn$dsc@openlink.openlink.com>,
:Roman Yanovsky  roman@btr.com <roman@btr.btr.com> wrote:
::
::Send us ANY OLD CDROM Software Title in ANY condition, and we'll mail
::the great Trans-Ameritech Linux Plus CDROM for ONLY $20.
::

:Does anyone have any experience with these people? How are they?

I liked their previous CDROM, and they handled the order swiftly.

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From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: Re: Linux on Leading Edge?
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 07:45:08 GMT

Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
: In article <1994May23.095051.7560@devnull.adsp.sub.org>, froh@devnull.adsp.sub.org (Frohwalt Egerer) says:
: +---------------
: | ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
: | >In article <2qvrnb$8f0@lynx.dac.neu.edu> zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown) writes:
: | >>Hi. Has anyone had success with linux on a Leading Edge computer? The
: | 
: | P.S.: Just check out your dealer isn't selling a normal board to you, just
: | without cache RAMS.
: +------------->8

: LE WinPros have cache capability but don't have cache RAM installed.  I have
: one here and it runs Slackware fine.  As has been noted theoretically, the
: lack of a cache doesn't really affect things while it's running Linux...
: however, the boot-time self-unzip is noticeably slower.

I don't know how you could possibly say that.  I've seen three machines
without cache and their Linux performance drops a lot.  One was an
expensive Mylex motherboard designed for UNIX systems and cache
certainly helped it.

If you add cache to your motherboard, it will run faster almost without
fail.  I've yet to see one faster when you removed it's cache.  All of
them lost speed that I've seen and not just during boot.  All the time.

Some exceptions are if you have 8 megs or less RAM going from 128K to
256K won't help nearly as much as adding cache in the first place.  But
if you go over 8 megs of RAM without adding cache most systems will take
a noticeably performance hit.

Most UNIX workstations are packing 1 meg or more cache these days.

I know at school we have a VME-machine with an MC68020 that doesn't have
cache RAM.  It has interleaved memory and 60ns RAM too.  However, newer
ones use cache and are faster with UNIX or OS/9.

A 40mHz 486 requires faster than 60ns RAM for fastest access time.
Adding cache RAM on a motherboard with good coherency between the 486's
cache and the external cache will allow 80ns RAM to deliver the same
performance, though I use 70ns in mine.

Going from 128K to 256K in my machine was noticeable all around when I
had 8megs of RAM.  I've 20megs now and going back to 128K cache RAM
causes my system to drop around 20% in speed for some tasks.  I 
imagine DOS might not have noticed but I don't have it anymore so
I can't say.




: ++Brandon
: -- 
: Brandon S. Allbery       kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
: The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"
-- 
csh
===========================================================================
shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University

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Subject: Re: (newbie) Recompile the Kernel?
From: jmmadiso@iupui.edu (jonboy)
Date: 30 May 94 19:23:31 -0500

In article <27@datasmart.win.net>,
Richard Moldovan <richmo@datasmart.win.net> wrote:
>understanding of what is being asked, but I don't seem to have the
>directory 'usr/src/linux' on the drive.  Is it that I don't have a
don't seem to, or just don't.  if you don't, then _that_ is your
prob.  ftp to ftp.funet.fi://pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/v1.0 (or v1.1)
& get the big file.

hope it makes sense.
jonM
-- 
jonM<>< jmadison@klingon.iupucs.iupui.edu; jonboy@neuromancer.ucr.edu
"I'm trapped in the zoo called America/locked in a cage called tha 'hood"
                -O.G.G. --" Before Redemption"

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk (Stephen Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM!
Reply-To: Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 01:34:31 +0000


In article <CqMtnH.IqF@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster) writes:
> In article <2scugn$dsc@openlink.openlink.com>,
> Roman Yanovsky  roman@btr.com <roman@btr.btr.com> wrote:
> >     !!!! Attention, users of the Linux and BSD operating systems !!!!
> 
> [snip]
>>> [bigger snip]
> >we offer a COMPETITIVE UPGRADE for half the price!
> [snip]
> 
> Sounds neat. The upgrade offer sounds like you can send in any old
> CD-ROM you don't use any more, but I imagine it has to be a LINUX
> CD-ROM?
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with these people? How are they? Is
> the CD worth it ($20 or ~$40, I guess)? How is this compared to the
> Walnut Creek stuff?
> -- 

I'll vouch for them.
Slackware 1.1(2off) & 1.2 with no problems at all, all to the UK inside
5 days from time of order in spite of some confusion in ordering from me.

I paid via Access. $38 to the UK

Stephen Parkinson

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From: jiching@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Jimen Ching)
Subject: Re: Term114 Problem..HELP
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 01:54:03 GMT

Harvey J. Stein (hjstein@sunset.huji.ac.il) wrote:
>In article <2s8284$qjs@news.umbc.edu> jtaylo4@umbc.edu (J.Erick
>Taylor) writes:
>   I've got Term114 setup and working with an Sgi, but I'm having one
>   problem. I can run trsh -s <command> just fine, yet when i try and
>work-around, try using tredir + telnet.  For example (done on the
>local side, which I assume is not the SGI):
>tredir 4000 23
>telnet localhost 4000

i noticed there's always mention of telnet and ftp for term.  but unless
i've mistaken, telnet and ftp requires network services setup.  ie. inetd
running and inetd.conf created.  no where in the docs for term is there
any mention of this.  i don't even have telnet on my linux box.  so the
above wouldn't do me any good.  or maybe i'm missing something?
--jc

--
Jimen Ching (WH6BRR)                    jiching@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu
University of Hawaii                    wh6brr@uhm.ampr.org
College of Engineering

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From: sta@whale.micro.umn.edu (Shawn T. Amundson)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 01:58:42 GMT

Byron A Jeff (byron@cc.gatech.edu) wrote:
: In article <2scudj$2e8c@ns2.cc.lehigh.edu>,
: DAVID L. JOHNSON <dlj0@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> wrote:
: >In article <2sbcgs$g03@virgo.cc.gatech.edu>, byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
: >>In article <1994May28.080358.19377@softwks.osgo.ks.he.schule.de>,
: >>Klaus Fueller <klausf@softwks.osgo.ks.he.schule.de> wrote:
: >>[ Let's use EZ! Some points deleted.]
: >>2) Because it requires a minimum of 4.5 Meg of Andrew to run.
: >>
: >Do you think any full-featured WYSIWYG wordprocessor can get by with less?
: >Looked at WP lately?

: I have. A full release of WP 6.0 for windows takes about 30 Meg. It's

Ughh.  But it CAN run an a simple monochrome monitor...
Actually, shouldn't we compare it to WP 6.0 for DOS?  We're not writing
LWPS in a graphical interface (like X-Windows), but on top of a text
environment. 

The WP 6.0 for DOS can be installed with as little? as 7 MB, and for
a complete installation, it only? takes 16MB.  Still, Ughh.

<Much stuff deleted>

: In fact EZ will help LWPS because it obviates the need to write an X based
: WYSIWYG WP. All that will be necessary is to have a conversion tool between
: the file formats of the two tools. Then we'll be covering all the bases.

: Let's plan on working together, not against one another.

I agree.

I'm sure that EZ is a fine tool.  Why debate that?  From everything that
I have read about the LWPS project, there are no plans as of yet to even
think of LWPS for X.  'nough of that.

I think that it is important to make use of the function keys early on in
the project...  For the novice, function keys are easy to remember.
I suggest using using the function keys similar to how WP 6.0 uses them.

What is dialog, by the way?  By using this, will we obtain the pull-down
menu's like WP has?

Can someone give a quick explaination of Quikscript too?  A file 
format?    

: BAJ
: -- 
: ---
: Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
: Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
: Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

--

-Shawn

*-Shawn T. Amundson-----------*-SnorfWare Software Products----------*
|  sta@mermaid.micro.umn.edu  |  DOS problems?  Try Linux.  Free...  |
|  amun0024@gold.tc.umn.edu   |             Linux RULES.             |     
*-USAR Specialist-------------*-Software made for people!-;->--------*
|          I think you know what I've been saying.   -Sugar          |
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM!
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 01:38:11 GMT

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=============================================================

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-- 
End of Note

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From: rodolfo@hal02.sarah.br
Subject: DataBase Under Linux - compatible with Xenix ?
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 20:54:39 GMT

        Hi All,
        I've used Dataflex 2.3b and 3.01 with Xenix 386. Now I
want to move to Linux, and I would like to know if Linux is binary
compatible with Xenix 386, or in other words, I'd like to know
if dataflex will run under linux, and this way I would not loose
my applications.
        []s Rodolfo Vaz

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From: kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
Subject: Re: 4 MB too little for linux
Date: 31 May 1994 02:37:30 GMT

++--- Matt Welsh:
|| Granted, I have well over 16 megs of swap, but that much isn't even
|| necessary. Things slow down when I raise a reglected xterm
||
+--- M. S. Ashton:
| I hope you mean rxvt !?
|

Using rxvt may save you swap space, but not much RAM. The code for
Textronic emulation will simply not be paged in when in normal use.
Also notice the delay when you press Ctrl-mouse button to bring up
menus.


Kjetil T.


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From: Albert_McClure@mindlink.bc.ca (Albert McClure)
Subject: Re: Linux Bible--Where?
Date: Mon, 30 May 94 19:54:27 -0700 (PDT)

        A week or two back, I read in this group that a hardcopy edition of
the Linux Bible was available.  Can someone tell me where it can be
purchased?
Al McClure.







--
        *************************************
        E-MAIL. albert_mcclure@mindlink.bc.ca
        *************************************1>

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From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma)
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] mkpkg 1.0 released
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 02:43:18 GMT

davison@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Andrew Davison) writes:

>The following are the README and lsm entry for mkpkg.

>A. Davison

>---------------------

>                               mkpkg

>                Package Tool Make Installation Utility

>                                   Version 1.0

>                                    May, 1994

>                Copyright (C) 1994 Esonque Systems

>                       Author: Andrew Davison

>----------------------------------------------------------------------

>INTRODUCTION

>       mkpkg is a pair of scripts which will create a pkgtool style description
>of any package which you might normally install using a "make install" 
>command. Hence your "package" can be removed using the pkgtool program
>provided with the SlackWare Linux distribution.

I was questioning about the suitability of the SVR4 packaging tools in a
multi-node and/or client/server environment ? Any thought about it in this
tool ?

Thanh Ma
tma@encore.com
-- 
--
Thanh Ma
tma@encore.com

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From: mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Beeblebrox)
Subject: Re: 4 MB too little for linux
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 03:24:01 GMT

kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:

>+--- M. S. Ashton:
>| I hope you mean rxvt !?
>|

>Using rxvt may save you swap space, but not much RAM. 

Actually, if you watch top, you will find that xterm still uses much more
ram (Resident, I mean).

>The code for Textronic emulation will simply not be paged in when in normal
>use.

In theory. The practise of demand paging is rarely this good.  Besides, rxvt
cuts out much of the other rubbish.  Still, if you are happy with your
machine, then this is fine.  Here, on SunOS, an xterm has 1M of resident
space when it starts up.
___
mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk                 M.S.Ashton@csv.warwick.ac.uk
C++ consultant and emacs support.         Mail me if you have any problems.

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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
Subject: Re: (newbie) Recompile the Kernel?
Date: 31 May 1994 03:43:25 GMT

Richard Moldovan (richmo@datasmart.win.net) wrote:
:   OK, I've read all the FAQ's and HOWTO's I could put my eyes to. 
: Many talk about recompling the kernel and running 'make config'.  I
: have compiled before (Pascal ,C++) under DOS so I have a basic
: understanding of what is being asked, but I don't seem to have the
: directory 'usr/src/linux' on the drive.  Is it that I don't have a
: full install? (Slackware- a,ap,x,xap,oop,tcl) . I would appreciate
: any info thrown in my direction.

You might usefully install the slackware "d" (development) disks.  
They contain the "gcc" compiler, other necessary binaries and 
include files, and source for the kernel that goes into "/usr/src/linux".
The kernel (found on the slackware "d4" disk) will compile just fine,
just "make config; make dep; make clean; make zImage".

Once you have these installed, you can install a newer version 
of the kernel source from "ftp.funet.fi" along with the patches.  

Rob Smith

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From: urlichs@smurf.noris.de (Matthias Urlichs)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Linux mailing lists (was Re: New Linux BBS under developement!)
Date: 31 May 1994 06:52:43 +0200

In comp.os.linux.development, article <CqK56q.2Bz@oea.hacktic.nl>,
  dan@oea.hacktic.nl writes:
> 
> Why not create a mailing list, if one doesn't already exist on, niksula.hut.fi.
> 
Several other mailing lists have dropped off niksula because it's
overloaded. Besides, always having to add the stupid X-Mn-Key: header
seems a royal pain in the *censored* to me, especially when there are
a lot of free mailing list handlers around which don't need stupidities
like that.

NB, whatever happened to their plan to gate the lists to a new linux.* news
hierarchy?

NB2: Followups to comp.os.linux.misc.
-- 
Moral principles can never be compromised; they can only be abandoned.
-- 
Matthias Urlichs        \ XLink-POP N|rnberg  | EMail: urlichs@smurf.noris.de
Schleiermacherstra_e 12  \  Unix+Linux+Mac    | Phone: ...please use email.
90491 N|rnberg (Germany)  \   Consulting+Networking+Programming+etc'ing     42

Click <A HREF="http://smurf.noris.de/~urlichs/finger">here</A>.

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From: chapmra@u.washington.edu (Randy Chapman)
Subject: A new idea for a Linux BBS
Date: 31 May 1994 04:53:05 GMT

With all the stuff about a Linux BBS lately, I was wondering if anybody 
has done (or thought of) a SLIP/PPP-based "BBS".  For your users log-in 
shell, bring up a menu that offers a few choices (pine, lynx, u/d-load, & 
dip & term).  Then startup a WWW server (httpd) on the computer and let your 
users normally connect via SLIP and Mosaic (both available freely for 
Linux, Mac and Windows, as well as pretty much every other unix machine).

I think this surely has the potential to blow any ANSI (or RIP) BBS out 
of the water and is probably not much more (if any?) demanding one's 
system than "normal" BBS software.

Randy Chapman
chaprma@u.washington.edu

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From: diego@cs.ualberta.ca (Diego Novillo)
Subject: Re: Competitive upgrade! Linux Plus CD-ROM!
Date: 31 May 1994 04:59:42 GMT

Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk (Stephen Parkinson) writes:


>In article <CqMtnH.IqF@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> bcrwhims@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Carsten Whimster) writes:
>> In article <2scugn$dsc@openlink.openlink.com>,
>> Roman Yanovsky  roman@btr.com <roman@btr.btr.com> wrote:
>> >    !!!! Attention, users of the Linux and BSD operating systems !!!!
>> 
>> .....
>> 
>> Does anyone have any experience with these people? How are they? Is
>> the CD worth it ($20 or ~$40, I guess)? How is this compared to the
>> Walnut Creek stuff?
>> -- 

>I'll vouch for them.

Same here. I've got Slackware 1.2 from them and their service is
superb. One of the CDs I ordered was lost in the mail and they sent me
a replacement right away at no extra cost. Highly recommended.
The CD is nicely organized and really easy to install, even if you
never installed Linux before.

Just another very happy customer.

Diego.


--
Diego A. Novillo                  | "We each pay a fabulous price for our
diego@cs.ualberta.ca              |  visions of paradise. But a spirit with
Computing Science - U of Alberta  |  a vision is a dream with a mission"
Edmonton, Alberta - Canada        |             Rush - Hold your fire

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