Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #189
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Date:     Mon, 30 May 94 09:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #189, Volume #2                Mon, 30 May 94 09:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Chris Bitmead)
  Re: [HELP] What is CSLIP (H. Peter Anvin)
  Re: Term 116 at sunsite.unc.edu (Kevin Lentin)
  fragmented e2fs disk? (David E. Fox)
  octave: cannot plot on console (David E. Fox)
  Looking for planetarium s/w (David E. Fox)
  [Q] Printing with Okidata 410e -- PLEASE HELP (Jason Yanowitz)
  Vesa W32 Adapters, Any support? (Eric Ulmer)
  Re: dbx port to linux? (David R VanWagner)
  Norton utilities trash lilo (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: CD-ROM and Soundblaster Pro 16 MultiCD (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
  Re: Viruses and Linux (Markus Wischerath)
  Novell and Linux? (Malcolm Ryan)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Karl Renaut)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Karl Renaut)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Karl Renaut)

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From: chrisb@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: 30 May 1994 12:37:59 +1000

u.baumgart@hot.gun.de writes:

>2. Cloning both, the user and the programmer interface give the chance to
>port applications using motif to the new, free widget set. A typical
>example would be mosaic. Using a Motif-Clone it would be possible to
>compile it using only free software.

>At the moment i am experimenting with the second approach. The results
>are nice, the code is not;-))
>I concentrate on copying the programmers interface to Motif so that it
>is possible to compile Motif-programs with my library. Currently i have
>only clones of three widgets:
>        XmPrimitive
>        XmArrowButton
>        XmSeparator
>Writing functional prototypes of this widgets took approximatly one week.
>The next widgets i am trying are:
>        XmLabel
>        XmCascadeButton
>        XmDrawnButton
>        XmPushButton
>        XmToggleButton
>        XmScrollbar
>        XmTextField
>        XmText
>        XmList
>The first version will have no support for keyboard navigation and some
>other deficits exspecially in the TextFiel and Text Widgets. With those
>widgets working i will try to write the next group:
>        XmFrame
>        XmDrawingArea
>        XmScale
>        XmPanedWindow
>        XmBulletinBoard
>        XmRowColumn
>        XmScrolledWindow
>        XmMainWindow
>        etc.
> Of course this will take a while... I hope i can release a first alpha
> version at the end of 1994. If anybody wants to support the project which
> is still in experimental phase.......


Keep up the good work!  I agree that source code compatibility will be a
big advantage for a Motif clone. (I understand there is a Free C++ Motif
clone already called Interviews but has remained obscure because it is not
based on Xt).
I'm don't have enough knowledge to help you but I hope you get lots of
support!


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: [HELP] What is CSLIP
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 05:10:11 GMT

Followup to:  <CqJKzA.8sF@acsu.buffalo.edu>
By author:    ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
>
> I'm setting up the SLIP option in my kernel.  My question is what is
> the CSLIP option?  Does it confilct with the normal SLIP?  I mean if I
> enable the CSLIP, can I still connect to a server that doesn't support
> compressed SLIP header?
> 
> Thankx
> 

CSLIP = SLIP with compressed headers.

If you enable CSLIP, you should still be able to connect to a standard
SLIP server by using the "mode SLIP" command in dip rather than "mode
CSLIP".

        /hpa

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From: kevinl@NewsServer.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin)
Subject: Re: Term 116 at sunsite.unc.edu
Date: 30 May 1994 06:12:32 GMT

On Sun, 29 May 1994 17:29:30 GMT, Christopher Shaulis wrote:

> The guy who did 1.1.16 does not seem to have come forward wanting to take 
> over development or anything like that. 

> In my openion, if we're goona start doing unoffical releases, we might as 
> well do them in a big way. I know there are a couple UDP redirectors 
> floating around, and I'm sure many people have tried mailing Mr. Oreilly 
> bug fixes (in vain for he doesn't respond to e-mail) for various things. 
> I'm sure that if you folks were to place _patches_ agnist 1.1.16 in the 
> incoming directory at sunsite.unc.edu, someone will concentrate them 
> together into another unoffical release.

The person who put out 1.1.15 was Bill Riemers. I mailed to Michael
recently and Bill replied saying that Michael was busy with finals and that
Bill was handling term queries for him. Bill's accomplishments in the
CREDITS file are listed thusly:
    Stuck my fingers in everywhere and hacked term all to peices...
    Seriously, added TitanOS support, and termnet.

He's first on the list of credits so I presume he and Michael are working
together. I'd trust the 1.1.16 as a release. Quite a while ago Michael said
that there were no more releases of term. This may have been as far back as
1.1.8 even. The one after that was labelled as 'Definitely not a
distribution of term'. I think you can treat that as all a bit of a joke
now. The TODO list for term is still quite chunky.

-- 
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[ Kevin Lentin                   |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\__/~\__/~\_| ]
[ kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au  |___/~\/~\_____/~\______/~\/~\__| ]
[ Macintrash: 'Just say NO!'     |___/~\__/~\___/~~~~\____/~~\___| ]
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From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: fragmented e2fs disk?
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 05:30:26 GMT

I've recently obtained 'frag', and one day, not too long ago, I was really
bored and ran frag against my whole e2fs filesystem (320 megs).

Looking at the summary, I see approximately 49% of my files are
fragmented.  Given that this filesystem has been in use since last
September, it really doesn't seem that ext2fs does that good of a job with
respect to keeping files unfragmented.

I realize that the FAQ with respect to e2fs and fragmentation /
optimization currently essentially says 'you don't need to' -- in my
particular case, the filesystem fragmentation doesn't seem to be a whole
lot better than if I were running DOS.

Unless -- of course, the semantics of fragmentation under e2fs are
different than under DOS.  I'd imagine this was possible, but I don't
understand the "inner sanctum" of how e2fs works just yet.

Here's a recent example. I just got 'octave' and installed it a little
while ago.  The octave binary is approximately 1.8 megabytes, and when I
run frag on it, I get the following output:

  24%  /usr/local/bin/octave  (1793 block(s), 438 fragment(s), largest 58,
5 hole(s))

Needless to say, this doesn't look good. If it were on DOS, I'd conclude a
serious need to optimize the disk, depending on course how often I was
using this particular application.


-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: octave: cannot plot on console
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 06:35:26 GMT

I'm using octave-1.0 binaries from sunsite.unc.edu, and I also have
gnuplot version 3.4b.

I'm having trouble getting octave to plot on the (vga) console.  Although
gnuplot (which octave uses) is able to use the vga console, through "set
terminal linux vga" -  doing this in octave has proven problematic so far.
The option 'linux' exists in octave, and from what I can glean from the
octave manual, octave calls gnuplot in order to do the actual plotting;
this is further shown to be the case when I run octave inside of X, which
works.

Often, doing set terminal in octave will either: 

* show a list of supported terminal types
* display nothing
* display a 'broken pipe' message

Only once out of perhaps 5 times or so can I get 'set terminal' to show a
list of supported terminal types.

Doing a plot, I get no output on the terminal, or a broken pipe message. I
have gotten once or twice a message 'Not running in graphics-capable
terminal' even though I've set the terminal appropriately.  Once, 
I got a message that indicates octave/gnuplot has gotten the message
to set the terminal type correctly - it says 'Using VGA driver.' but then
just tells me I am not running in a graphics-capable console.  
-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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Crossposted-To: comp.sources.wanted,comp.windows.x.apps
From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: Looking for planetarium s/w
Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 00:47:00 GMT

I'm attempting to find some useful planetarium software for X-windows for
my Linux system. I've seen some good examples of this on DOS, but... :)

I know of various astronomical software (and an archie search on 'astro'
didn't turn up much) such as xsky, ephem and xephem (the last one requires
motif, which I don't yet have), but they don't exactly fit my needs.  I'm
looking for something I can leave running and it will give an updated
star/planet display based on my location.

If you've seen Skyglobe (DOS) or Earth-Centered-Universe (Windows) you
probably have a better idea of what I'm looking for.

-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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From: jyanowit@mtholyoke.edu (Jason Yanowitz)
Crossposted-To: comp.text.tex,comp.os.linux.help,comp.lang.postscript
Subject: [Q] Printing with Okidata 410e -- PLEASE HELP
Date: 30 May 1994 06:26:17 GMT

If you have an Okidata 410e and have been able to print .dvi files to
it (directly or via ghostscript) and/or postscript files, please email
and tell me how.  Treating it like an HPIII or HPIIP is not working
very well.  I can get text to print, but the pagination is messed up
and there are garbage characters over it.

So, if you have solved this problem, I will be eternally grateful if
you share your wisdom with me.

I will definitely summarize and post any useful responses.

-- Jason
-- 
lkes uxvwo, btsui?

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Subject: Vesa W32 Adapters, Any support?
From: ulmer@cybrspc.mn.org (Eric Ulmer)
Date: Fri, 27 May 94 10:34:41 CDT

I know that there is S3 support for Linux, but I have
heard little about W32 chip support. I have a Tseng compatible VESA
card with the W32 accelerator, Has anyone seen drivers for it?

--
From the account of Eric Ulmer < ulmer@cybrspc.mn.org >
The Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, Minnesota

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From: davevw@cats.ucsc.edu (David R VanWagner)
Subject: Re: dbx port to linux?
Date: 30 May 1994 08:13:58 GMT


In article <2s7s7f$jk0@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Robert G. Smith <rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Si-Hao Goi (gois@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu) wrote:
>: hi guys,
>:      i've looked thru the index file of the linux sub dir of sunsite,
>: but can't seem to find dbx. dbx is a c debugger that i've been using at sch.
>: does anyone know where if it has been ported to linux, and if it has, where
>: can i find it? thanks a lot
>
>Have you tried "gdb" and "xxgdb" ? They are linux's versions
>of C debuggers, comparable to "dbx".  The power of "xxgdb"
>amazes me!
>
>Rob Smith
>

Ups has a SOLID X interface and is worth a try... I've had better luck
with it than xxgdb, and has many features only a mouse click away.

Look for ups-2.45.2.tar.gz on your favorite Linux FTP site.

David Van Wagner

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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
Subject: Norton utilities trash lilo
Date: 30 May 1994 10:35:33 GMT

Hi there!

I have had a nasty experience with the Norton Utilities, both older
versions and the new one. When I start the diskchecker, Norton checks
among others the bootsector, detects lilo and reports something
amiss with that sector. So far so good.

After that it asks whether it should correct the problem (Yes, No, Cancel).
*BUT* regardless what I answer now it proceeds and thrashes lilo so
I have to dig out my boot diskettes for Linux and reinstall lilo
correctly.

Have others had this nasty experience?

Hans Paijmans

-- 
Copyright Hans Paijmans 1994. Niets hierboven mag geheel of
gedeeltelijk worden geciteerd buiten de nieuwsgroep(en) waar het
oorspronkelijk is geplaatst.  Nothing of the above may be cited
outside the newsgroups in which the message originally was posted.

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Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 15:08:52 +0200
From: Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de (Eberhard Moenkeberg)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM and Soundblaster Pro 16 MultiCD


Hello Gunar Schorcht and all others,

on 21.05.94 Gunar Schorcht wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.MISC:

GS> Has anybody installed CD-ROM (Panasonic CR-562B, Mitsumi FX 001D, ...) by
GS> connecting at the Soundblaster Pro 16 MultiCD CD-Rom interface? Does the
GS> linux CD-Rom driver works with this installation.

I hate crossposting.

Greetings ... Eberhard


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From: mw@spinfo.Uni-Koeln.DE (Markus Wischerath)
Subject: Re: Viruses and Linux
Reply-To: mw@spinfo.Uni-Koeln.DE
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 09:43:18 GMT


ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard) writes:
> 
> Can anyone E-Mail me some information about viruses and Linux and how about
> anti-viruses.
> 
Um, what do you mean? There are no Unix viruses you need to worry about at
this point in time. There are a few lab-only viruses, and the only one that
could possibly spread beteween different hardware platforms is a shell-
script infector. 

As for MS-DOG viruses, they don't work under Linux... well, some "well-
behaved" ones *may* work under dosemu. If you catch an DBR/MBR infector, 
Linux will crash. Putting LILO in your MBR is a good protection against 
Stoned and such critters. :) The best DOG-based antivirus program is 
F-Prot, BTW.   

--Markus               
mw@spinfo.uni-koeln.de            # rm -rf / and one was assaulted...peanut


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From: malcolm@lsupoz.apana.org.au (Malcolm Ryan)
Subject: Novell and Linux?
Date: 30 May 1994 20:26:59 +1000

I've heard rumours about Novell laying claim to Linux. Could someone pls
enlighten me as to what they are on about, and the legal status of their
claim?

Malcolm
-- 
             Malcolm Ryan - 3rd Year Comp Sci, UNSW Australia.
      Email: s2119737@cse.unsw.oz.au - or - malcolm@lsupoz.apana.org.au
                   http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~s2119737/
     "It means nothing, and nothing is -quite- what it seems." - BOOJUM!

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Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: root@jaxnet.jaxnet.com (Karl Renaut)
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 12:37:44 GMT

In article <2saqvs$7n9@bbs.dsnet.com> root@bbs.dsnet.com (System Administrator) writes:
>Sameer Manek:SysOp (seawolf@yesanext.sbay.org) wrote:
>: root@bbs.dsnet.com (System Administrator) writes:
>
>: > root (root@jaxnet.jaxnet.com) wrote:
>: > : I am looking for some good bbs software that will run under Linux.  Some
>: > : of the key things that I am looking for are:
>: > 
>: > : 1)  Written and Supported inside the United States!
>: > : 2)  Source code must be provided (I love to customize)
>: > : 3)  Must be able to support subscription based service
>: > : 4)  Must be able to optionally enforce daily time limits
>: > : 5)  Must track users usage (number of minutes connected in a log or somethi
>: > : 6)  Must be able to run external programs and shell accounts
>: > : 7)  Must be able to allow guest logins
>: > : 8)  Each user must have their own login ID (no generic logins like 'bbs')
>: > 
>: > : Some things that would be nice but are not mandatory.
>: > 
>: > : 1)  RIP graphics
>: > : 2)  ANSI graphics
>: > 
>: > No such animal.
>
>: How about waffle? You can get the shareware version for dos at nearly 
>: every ftp site..read the docs, play with the setup then if you like it 
>: order the source code from the author.
>
>: As for login, well you type "BBS" then it invokes a waffle shell were the 
>: user logs in with their name and password..or if you feel really daring
>: give everyone shell accounts and limit them to ~/user/someone and the 
>: let them go from there
>
>Waffle doesn't support subscriptions and you can't have individual UNIX
>login ID's. It also doesn't support any type of graphics/color, and the
>user interface is crappy.
>
>Support from the author also sucks.
>
>I've been running waffle (Both the DOS and Unix versions) for quite some
>time now. I hate it, 95% of my users hate it, and it's soon going to be
>replaced.
>
>--
>Duane Davis      | God put me on earth to accomplish a certain number of
>root@dsnet.com    | things. Right now I am so far behind I will never die

I have not found anything that meets my needs yet (shareware or commercial).
There are a couple of BBS's under development that might do the job but,
they are not ready yet.  I have tried all of the programs in the BBS
directory at sunsite.unc.edu, I have evaluated 2 commercial programs of
which 1 was close but, if I'm gonna pay $2000+ for a program it better
be exactly what I want.  Plus, they wouldn't give me the source so I told
em to take a hike.

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Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: root@jaxnet.jaxnet.com (Karl Renaut)
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 12:39:14 GMT

In article <1994May29.175221.8169@beansidhe.westfalen.de> soeren@beansidhe.westfalen.de (Soeren M Soerries) writes:
>blarg@blarg1.blarg.com (Blarg!) writes:
>
>>I'm interested since I'm currently working on setting up a Unix BBS under
>>Linux, and am currently hacking the sh*t out of ix/Mbox in order to get
>>it to work with a FQDN instead of UUCP, and adding in RIP graphics 
>>capabilities.  I'm working with v1.6 PL10j7.....
>
>
>ix/Mbox is version 2.1, sub-release 2.2 is due to be out in
>
>   comp.sources.misc
>
>in the next couple of days... (or weeks ?)
>
>
>  Soeren
>
>
>#-------------------------------------
>I'm trying to find out if there is an ftp-site that has the current
>ix/MBox release.  In case there isn't, mail requests for the source
>to my address.  I will then build a packet of the newest sources and
>all patches I can get, and mail it to you all who are interested.
>I guess it will be 400 to 500 K ... =)
>
>Allow me some time (a week or two) to wait for all requests to arrive
>(for some ppl, mail will take days to arrive, other ppl will have to
>wait for days to see this article in the first place) and to get as
>many patches as possible in it...
>
>-- 
>Soeren M Soerries,  Muenster  ooo.  ooooo ,oo.  oo oo,ooo. *  ooo.  oo oo ooooo
>soeren@beansidhe.ms.sub.org  d8oob d8oo  d8odP dP8dP 8oo. op dP db d8odP d8oo
>vox 0251-51378, data-56822  d8ooP'd8ooo dP dP dP 8P booP'dP d8ooP dP dP d8ooo

ix/Mbox is nothing like what I am looking for... 

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Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: root@jaxnet.jaxnet.com (Karl Renaut)
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 12:40:06 GMT

In article <2sar3n$7n9@bbs.dsnet.com> root@bbs.dsnet.com (System Administrator) writes:
>Renee Teunissen(00340870725) (renee@via.sni.de) wrote:
>: Sanford Zelkovitz (sandyz@netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: : You can call my system at 714-821-9671 and download the source code for
>: : XBBS. BTW, there are sites running XBBS under Lynix.
>
>: And is there another way of getting the xbbs source?
>: (ftp-mail? uuencoded email ?)
>
>:           +------------------------------------------------------------------
>:  Greetzz, |   Renee Teunissen:
>:   _    |     Weekdays: Utrechtseweg 56, Ijsselstein (Utr) Tel:03408-70725
>:  |_)      |  Weekends: Rozenstraat 10, 6901 HT Zevenaar.  Tel:08360-28448
>:  |\enee        |     Work:     SNI, Mijlweg 7, Vianen. Tel:03473-65304, Fax:65212
>: ----------+------------------------------------------------------------------
>:  Disclaimer: Anything Renee says might be nonsence. These opinions are mine 
>:           and not my employees opinions..  beware or be square..
>: -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>ftp.funet.fi has several free bbs packages online. I believe they are
>under /pub/unix/bbs.
>
>--
>Duane Davis      | God put me on earth to accomplish a certain number of
>root@dsnet.com    | things. Right now I am so far behind I will never die

They all suck... at least if you want to be a commercial internet provider.

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