Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #184
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date:     Sat, 28 May 94 15:16:06 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #184, Volume #2                Sat, 28 May 94 15:16:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Compiling Emacs 19.24 under Linux (Mario Gutierrez)
  Re: NEW SOFTWARE: /rdb 6.2 for Linux (Sam Daniel)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Byron A Jeff)
  openGL for linux (Siddharth Ram)
  Re: Beware: Just Computers (H. Peter Anvin)
  Mosaic bug?? (Jim Wygralak)
  Buslogic 445S driver (Bill Heiser)
  Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi C (lilo (SpRiNg 94 GpA 3.64))
  Re: dbx port to linux? (Robert G. Smith)
  Looking for local gateways... (Ernie Oporto)
  Problems (Edunetics)
  Re: linux vs. bsd386? (Peter da Silva)
  Have you used Octive? (Michael P. Jarreau)
  How to scale scalable fonts. (Michal Jaegermann)
  Re: Linux on Leading Edge? (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Access to local resources with term-aware software? (Christian Saucier)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Christopher Cason)
  Term114 Problem..HELP (J.Erick Taylor)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Robert G. Smith)
  Re: Ghostscript and epson 24pin printers (James Wegman)
  with a Hercules compat. gfx machine (and else) (Berk Walker)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (David A. Vohwinkel)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Robert G. Smith)
  4 MB too little for linux ("Mr. Ed")

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From: mgutierr@mentor.sdsu.edu (Mario Gutierrez)
Subject: Re: Compiling Emacs 19.24 under Linux
Date: 28 May 1994 00:17:02 GMT

Thomas Koenig (tom@mvmampc66.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
: I've successfully installed Emacs 19.24 on my (1.0.9, gcc 2.5.8,
: libc 4.5.24) machine, using the following changes:

[skipped...]

I had no problems with just:

        configure i386-system-linux --with-x11 --with-x-toolkit

---
mario l gutierrez
mgutierr@mentor.sdsu.edu

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From: daniel@netcom.com (Sam Daniel)
Subject: Re: NEW SOFTWARE: /rdb 6.2 for Linux
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 15:08:14 GMT

shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (C. S. Hendrix) writes:

>Revolutionary Software of Santa Cruz, California is now making their
>relational database software available for Linux.

>/rdb is a relational database system fully integrated with standard UNIX
>system software.  It's fast and efficient.  The entire distribution,
>sample programs and software included, is under 3 megabytes installed.
>It comes with some third party software including a statistical analysis
>package.  You can develop database applications in Bourne shell scripts
>or in C (it comes with a C library).

You can read all about it in this book, which I believe is still in
print:

   Unix Relational Database Management
   Manis, Schaffer, Jorgensen
   Prentice Hall, 1988
   ISBN 0-13-938622-X

-- 
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Sam Daniel  --  daniel@netcom.com  --  (408) 235-2661

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From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 27 May 1994 20:49:36 -0400

In article <2s45j3$oqm@sirius.cs.pdx.edu>, Mike Harvey <mike@cs.pdx.edu> wrote:
-byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
-
->Well Mike I believe this is one situation where we can't do it all.
->PostScript (and the GhostScript emulator) gives us the advantage of being
->able to print on hundreds of different printers without having to write a
->driver for each one.
-[...]
->But we have to pick a default that's nearly universal. PostScript + GhostScript
->will work with nearly every printer that has any type of graphics capability.
-
-Yes, I can see your point.  Thanks for being patient and explaining this
-to me.  I have no experience with *nix text-processing tools (other than
-vi :), since I had WordPerfect and did all my work on a DOS machine.

Well we're not going to get a lot of users by being abrupt and abrasive.
Also I have the 'bad' habit of explaining myself to death - part of being
a University Professor.

-
->But you're probably going to be the exception. Most novice and intermediate
->users will immediately gravitate to the mouse. I'm stating publicly that
->LWPS is being designed with them in mind.
-
-Understood.
-
->However in deference to your comment, we'll plan on simply leaving the
->current keyboard and key shortcut interface.
-
-Great.
-
->There's no real need to pull the current keyset from JOE. However having
->to work on a complete key based command interface is a daunting task.
->How's about a compromise where commands can be attached to function keys?
-
-I assume then that JOE is being used as the core for this project?  I had
-seen it mentioned several times, but didn't realize you had settled on it.

Considering that I've yet to ask Joe Allen if this is acceptable to him
I don't think we really have. However it's at the correct level of simplicity
to start off with.

-JOE already has a pretty flexible configuration file, which looks like it
-ought to do most of what I want.  Definable function keys would be a nice
-feature, but perhaps not worth the extra effort, given the existing
-interface.

Well remember that function keys are the kinds of things that inexperienced
users like. So adding those may not be wasted effort.

-
->-I would be interested in working on it too...
-
->I'll add you to the mailing list.
-
-Thanks.  (I didn't even know there *was* one)

Well a few people starting sending me mail and I strapped up a quick
mailing list where I work (Clark Atlanta University) so that I could get
out quick updates to folks that seemed real interested.

-
-This project sure seems to have gotten started fast.  I just noticed it
-the other day among the bulk of other Linux news... thanks for bringing
-me up to date on the stuff I asked about.

No problem. I'll try to stay in touch. I've found that many of the projects
that are going on the background get lost because folks don't stay in touch
with the newsgroups.

BAJ
-- 
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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From: sram@qualcomm.com (Siddharth Ram)
Subject: openGL for linux
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 18:01:52 -0700

I could not find any reference in the Linux Software Map. Has anyone
ported/planned to port  openGL to Linux ?

thanks
siddharth

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From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: Beware: Just Computers
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 01:07:38 GMT

Followup to:  <1994May23.230244.2863@cs.ucla.edu>
By author:    edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (E. Robert Tisdale)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
> 
> The United States Post Office does not permit you to send threatening
> or abusive mail to any person or organization.  The telephone company
> does not permit you to make threatening or abusive phone calls.  No
> network administrator on the internet will permit you to use email to
> send threatening or abusive email.  Just Computers should not permit
> it either.  If this vile idiot needs to express himself, he can post
> to an appropriate newsgroup.  I assume that `alt.chinese.text.usenet'
> is not a public newsgroup since I can't find it in my `newsgroups'
> list.  I don't think this guy had any business sending them email.
> 

The USPS doesn't open mail to make sure it isn't threatening or
abusive before sending it.  If someone complains, action will be
taken.  In this case, Just Computers didn't read the stuff the user
sent out either... but when a complaint was registered, it was
apparently taken care of.

There are many reasons why pre-censorship is not only not practical
(due to the amount of labor involved) but it also extremely intrusive.

        /hpa
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From: darus@MCS.COM (Jim Wygralak)
Subject: Mosaic bug??
Date: 27 May 1994 20:26:48 -0500

I've encountered what seems to be a bug in Mosaic 2.4 for Linux.

If I click "too fast"* on the scroll bar, mosaic locks up and I have to
do a hard reset to re-gain controll. It doesnt actually crash the system,
(xclock keeps running, and the mouse cursor still moves) but I cant
select any other windows, I cant switch VC's, and ctrl-alt-Backspace doesnt
do anything.

Has anyone else encountered this, or more importantly FIXED it.


* I cant really quantify exactly what "too fast" means, but if I do what
ammounts to a triple or quadruple-click, I can reproduce the problem
consistently.
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DoD #0651  '74 Honda CL360 "George"  |

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From: bill@bhhome.ci.net (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Buslogic 445S driver
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 14:47:16 GMT

Hi - where is the best place to get the latest up-to-date Buslogic 445S
driver  (to use the Buslogic 445S VL bus board) with LINUX 1.X.

Thanks in advance,
Bill
-- 
Bill Heiser:    bill@bhhome.ci.net,  heiser@world.std.com

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From: lilo@slip-13-11.ots.utexas.edu (lilo (SpRiNg 94 GpA 3.64))
Subject: Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi C
Date: 28 May 1994 01:20:53 GMT

On 26 May 1994 20:31:21 GMT, Ivan (ivan@djomolungma.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:

> Well, compare Xemacs (aka UoI/Lucid emacs) with v19 emacs.

> I guess there are diferent kinds of professionals as well as
> different kinds of volunteers.

I would, if I could, but I suspect I can't afford it. ;)


lilo

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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
Subject: Re: dbx port to linux?
Date: 28 May 1994 16:41:19 GMT

Si-Hao Goi (gois@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu) wrote:
: hi guys,
:       i've looked thru the index file of the linux sub dir of sunsite,
: but can't seem to find dbx. dbx is a c debugger that i've been using at sch.
: does anyone know where if it has been ported to linux, and if it has, where
: can i find it? thanks a lot

Have you tried "gdb" and "xxgdb" ? They are linux's versions
of C debuggers, comparable to "dbx".  The power of "xxgdb"
amazes me!

Rob Smith


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Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 12:53:15 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Looking for local gateways...

I've just recently left the spoiled life of free SLIP access at my university
and am now looking for a place to connect my Linux box to the internet.  I
turn to this newsgroup for help in this, hoping that someone else in my area
(Southeast Pennsylvania- 610/215 area code) that may be running Linux also has
their machine connected.  Hopefully any suggestions will be cheap, since my
wallet hasn't gotten any fuller.  I used to run DIP at my local university so
anything that I can do the same thing with would be appreciated, or any
possible alternatives someone may be able to suggest would be appreciated.
I tried getting in touch with a number of internet providers that were listed
in the June issue of Internet World, but many of them were too expensive.  A
few are sending me info packs in the mail, but they only work with special
programs that work for either DOS or Mac.
--- Ernie "Shokk" Oporto
   _____/           ____         /        /   eao102@psuvm.psu.edu
  /                /    \       /        /    shokk@eao102.sip.psu.edu
_____      ____              _        _       eao102@cac.psu.edu
     \                        \        \      oporto@cse.psu.edu
\______/ __    __ \______/ __  \___ __  \___  shokk@psu.edu

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From: edunet@zeus.datasrv.co.il (Edunetics)
Subject: Problems
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 23:23:17 GMT

   Can anyone please explain a non programer what 'segmentation failure'
is and how can I avoid it?
   From more then a dozen installations I have one computer that simply
refuses to receive Linux (it did receive MCC 99.10+) in the past. But
with the new Slackware 1.2.0 it simply kills the installation with
segmentation failure and nothing helps :-(


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From: peter@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: linux vs. bsd386?
Date: 27 May 1994 21:31:07 -0500

Linux was created by this totally intense hacker in Finland who sat down and
created a UNIX clone pretty much from scratch. I think he started building
it on a MINIX platform (which in turn was built by this cool professor in
the Netherlands for an OS course), but by now it's souped up into something
totally other.

It's heavily 386-oriented, and is probably a bit smaller and faster than any
of the BSD or UNIX derived systems. It's got a plethora of file systems
including one that uses a DOS file system as its base but has extended
attributes to give UNIX semantics (don't ask me how it does hard links,
I don't know).

386BSD was created by this somewhat touchy guy in Berkeley who took the
sources that Berkeley had released over the years and replaced the missing
AT&T code with his own creations. It was an amazing job in itself, and the
only problem is that AT&T decided they didn't want the competition (as if
the competition they REALLY need to be watching wasn't Microsoft) so they
threatened legal action. The current status of 386BSD is up in the air...
there's a CDROM out, but nobody's seen it.

HOWEVER, he did release a 0.1 version of the software. Buggy, but it booted,
and a bunch of other cool hackers have made it an incredibly fast and solid
system. There are two main derivitives of 386BSD: FreeBSD, a conservative
approach, and NetBSD, a more aggressive system that's more like Linux in
terms of having more drivers, more features, and so on. Both these systems
have a high degree of compatibility with BSD UNIX systems (and in fact I've
fixed bugs in OSF/1 and SunOS by installing *BSD derived replacements for
certain programs in /usr/local/bin) and it's got more solid networking. NetBSD
has also been ported to a variety of other platforms: Mac, Amiga, and back
to Suns (!) that I know of.

The result, you have a choice. You want small and fast, but don't care much
about networking and don't want a close copy of UNIX in what for most people
are probably irrelevant details, there's Linux. You want something that drives
like the real thing, there's FreeBSD and NetBSD.

I'm going with FreeBSD, myself. And then I'll replace my old System V with
Linux... best of both worlds...

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From: jarreau@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Michael P. Jarreau)
Subject: Have you used Octive?
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 17:20:53 GMT

Hi.  I am looking for a matlab like product for my linux box.  I heard
octive is the way to go.  Do you have any experience with it?

Cheers!
Michael
jarreau@vuse.vanderbilt.edu


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From: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann)
Subject: How to scale scalable fonts.
Reply-To: michal@phys.ualberta.ca
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 02:40:30 GMT

I was experimenting with some scalable fonts (Speedo and Type1 from
ftp.x.org) under XFree.  Some of these don't seem to work, but some do.
Fine, that is life. But if I have an xterm opened with some Postscript
font, how do I make them twice, or three times, as big?  Is any
documentation which would say something about this?

   Thanks,
   Michal

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Linux on Leading Edge?
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 02:34:00 GMT

In article <1994May23.095051.7560@devnull.adsp.sub.org>, froh@devnull.adsp.sub.org (Frohwalt Egerer) says:
+---------------
| ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
| >In article <2qvrnb$8f0@lynx.dac.neu.edu> zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown) writes:
| >>Hi. Has anyone had success with linux on a Leading Edge computer? The
| 
| P.S.: Just check out your dealer isn't selling a normal board to you, just
| without cache RAMS.
+------------->8

LE WinPros have cache capability but don't have cache RAM installed.  I have
one here and it runs Slackware fine.  As has been noted theoretically, the
lack of a cache doesn't really affect things while it's running Linux...
however, the boot-time self-unzip is noticeably slower.

++Brandon
-- 
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The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA (Christian Saucier)
Subject: Access to local resources with term-aware software?
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:06:18 GMT

I'm using Mosaic over a term connection and I'd like to know if it's
possible to have Mosaic access some files that are on the local side of the
term connection.

In other words, is it possible to have term aware of my local hosts?

That would solve another of my problems since I'm now using different
versions of ftp, telnet, ... depending on if I want to acces a local host or
a host on the Internet.

It would be convenient if such a 'patch' or program existed.

Thank you for any pointers,

C.

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From: cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Cason)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: 28 May 1994 12:56:49 GMT

Shannon Hendrix (shendrix@escape.widomaker.com) wrote:
: POVRAY account (povray@uniwa.uwa.edu.au) wrote:
: : How many readers would be interested in an officially-compiled and
: : supported version of POVRAY, with X-Windows support, for LINUX ???

: What do you mean?  I've been running povray on Linux for two or
: three months now.  

I mean an *official, pre-compiled binary* that you can install and run.
Currently, no such binary exists. (unofficial ones, sure, but POV-Team
policy is *not* to distribute unofficial compiles due to support issues.
so I won't put it om my FTP site).

-- Chris Cason
   POV-Team

==============================================================================
|             Chris Cason via the University of Western Australia            |
|                        cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au                        |
==============================================================================

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From: jtaylo4@umbc.edu (J.Erick Taylor)
Subject: Term114 Problem..HELP
Date: 28 May 1994 18:24:04 GMT

I've got Term114 setup and working with an Sgi, but I'm having one 
problem. I can run trsh -s <command> just fine, yet when i try and
run an interactive trsh i.e. trsh with no parameters, it says it can't
open pty, no permission match.  Then it get hung into a timeout loop, and
i have to hang-up the phone to kill the remote term.
So what do I need to do to run the interactive shell?

Thanks,


--
J. Erick Taylor                        | Phone:(410)455-1754
Computer Sys & Network Consultant      | Email:jtaylo4@umbc.edu
Certified Netware v3.11 Administrator  | (space for rent)

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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.raytracing
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: 28 May 1994 03:54:56 GMT

Jeff Andre (andre@hoth.stortek.com) wrote:
: : I say a supported Linux pov with as many cool X specific additions as
: : possible is the way to go. Do it. Do it!

Add my name to the list, too.  I need pov for rendering views
of the neurons that I create with my neural circuit simulator, NeuronC.
I'm adding an interface to generate files for input to pov
under linux, but it would be very nice to be able to distribute 
pov in parallel with my simulator, so both could be compiled
on any Unix system.  Pov is wonderful and amazing! 
Keep it up.

Rob Smith

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From: James Wegman <jameswegman@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Ghostscript and epson 24pin printers
Date: Sat, 28 May 94 11:17:21 -0500

Christian Saucier <saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA> writes:
 
>I have another little problem with ghostscript;  when I print a DVI file
>converted to PS with DVIPS , the printer doesn't skip the upper margin!
>It starts printing right on the first line of the page.
>Does somebody knows anything about this?
 
I too have this problem, but worse than just skipping top margin, any
header that appears within this area is not printed either, eliminating
page numbers that often appear in this header area. This is EXTREMELY
annoying and I would tremendously appreciate any insight into this.
 
Thanks,
 
==========================================================================
| Jim Wegman            |    *nix Lives (in general                      |
| JAMESWEGMAN@DELPHI.COM|    Linux Lives (In particular!)                |
==========================================================================

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From: berk@kaiwan.com (Berk Walker)
Subject: with a Hercules compat. gfx machine (and else)
Date: 27 May 1994 21:11:29 -0700


Is one committed to the command line forever?  X seems not to have a 
driver for it, and the better programs seem to be targeted at X.

What is the proper newsgroup for dosemu questions?
Berk

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Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.raytracing
From: vohwi-d@acsu.buffalo.edu (David A. Vohwinkel)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 23:59:58 GMT

In article <CqGuy6.2ru@stortek.com>, Jeff Andre <andre@hoth.stortek.com> wrote:
>: I say a supported Linux pov with as many cool X specific additions as
>: possible is the way to go. Do it. Do it!
>
>: another chris
>
>Yes, please.
>
>--
>

Add another BIG yes!!!

        Dave




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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 28 May 1994 04:30:43 GMT

Byron A Jeff (byron@cc.gatech.edu) wrote:
: In article <2s45j3$oqm@sirius.cs.pdx.edu>, Mike Harvey <mike@cs.pdx.edu> 
:  wrote:
: -byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
: -
: ->Well Mike I believe this is one situation where we can't do it all.
: ->PostScript (and the GhostScript emulator) gives us the advantage of being
: ->able to print on hundreds of different printers without having to write a
: ->driver for each one.
: -[...]
: ->But we have to pick a default that's nearly universal. 
: ->PostScript + GhostScript will work with nearly every printer that has 
: ->any type of graphics capability.
: -
: -Yes, I can see your point.  Thanks for being patient and explaining this
: -to me.  I have no experience with *nix text-processing tools (other than
: -vi :), since I had WordPerfect and did all my work on a DOS machine.

From what I've seen of previewers, they are nowhere near as handy
as true WYSIWYG. The use of PS+GS for printing will save lots of
development time.  But to use GS to preview a page seems too slow to
be useful in composing a page.  It would be very nice to have
a facility like Adobe Illustrator for reading, interpreting, modifying
and writing PS files, i.e. actually using PS as the native format.  
However, this would be a lot of work to develop, wouldn't it?
Can GS be modified this way to allow redrawing parts of a page
or line?

  What is needed is a way to "incrementally" interpret PS (or 
whatever format e.g., Tex, that would make most sense to be 
the basis for WYSIWYG), word by word or line by line, so that 
the result of a key command would be the graphics on the screen 
and simultaneously its representation in a text file.

: -
: ->But you're probably going to be the exception. Most novice and 
: ->intermediate users will immediately gravitate to the mouse. 
: ->I'm stating publicly that LWPS is being designed with them in mind.
: -
: -Understood.
: -
: ->However in deference to your comment, we'll plan on simply leaving the
: ->current keyboard and key shortcut interface.
: -
Yes, this is important. Functions must be readily available
and easy to use.  But also important is to maintain a parallel
set of commands in both mouse menus and keyboard key sequences,
i.e. there should be a one-to-one correspondence between menu options
and command key sequences.  This is what will hold the whole project 
together as "one" editor.  Otherwise, what you will get is several 
separate editors, each a little different with different commands 
and interfaces.

: -
: ->There's no real need to pull the current keyset from JOE. However having
: ->to work on a complete key based command interface is a daunting task.
: ->How's about a compromise where commands can be attached to function keys?
: -
: -I assume then that JOE is being used as the core for this project?  I had
: -seen it mentioned several times, but didn't realize you had settled on it.

: Considering that I've yet to ask Joe Allen if this is acceptable to him
: I don't think we really have. However it's at the correct level of 
: simplicity to start off with.

: -JOE already has a pretty flexible configuration file, which looks like it
: -ought to do most of what I want.  Definable function keys would be a nice
: -feature, but perhaps not worth the extra effort, given the existing
: -interface.

Wouldn't it be great to create a set of "pseudo-key" key commands 
(such as those represented in the "joerc" file) each one representing an 
"internal" editor function or displayable ASCII char, that could be 
translated from a user-defined key sequence or menu button-press?  
That way, the internal format for the document could be created directly 
by translating and filtering the input stream.  It would be fairly
straightforward to develop an "internal command" to "graphics font"
translator to display the internal format.  All the better if the
internal format could be PS.

Rob Smith

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From: ed.duomo@lambada.oit.unc.edu ("Mr. Ed")
Subject: 4 MB too little for linux
Date: 28 May 94 18:00:29 GMT

I installed the latest Slackware on my 4 MB system. The installation
is pretty standard (the installation process, BTW, was a breeze, and I
was impressed by the quality of the installation program). Now with
kermit in one VT and nothing but the shell in another, linux thrashes
pretty badly even for the simplest of commands, e.g. ls. If I try to
login on a 3rd VT, it takes about 2-3 minutes till I'm dropped to the
shell.

Could this be improved upon? I thought linux was supposd to run
smoothly with 4 MB. BTW, the only thing non-standard in my
installation is that I'm using kernel 1.1.2 instead of the one that
came with Slackware.

For the record, Windows thrashes very little or almost never on this
same system, and that's with 9 applications open. Not that I'm a fan
of Windows.

Ed


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