Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #179
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date:     Fri, 27 May 94 14:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #179, Volume #2                Fri, 27 May 94 14:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Which binaries should be under /sbin? (Per-Erik Nordbo)
  Logitec Bus Mouse (Bill Tate)
  MIME Support (Eric Hausgaard)
  Help!! (with XFree86 and video card resetting) (he  huang)
  SNMPD for Linux? (green@ids.net)
  Re: calendar for linux ?? (David E. Fox)
  Re: LAN vs. linux (Johannes Stille)
  Re: LAN vs. linux (Barry Yip kam-wa)
  Dos/ Linux How do I go between (x93christia1@wmich.edu)
  Looking for PPP for Linux (x93christia1@wmich.edu)
  Viruses and Linux (Eric Hausgaard)
  Re: Dos Emulator for Linux? (Emmett Sauer)
  Comp USA's Compudyne CDROM drive? (Thomas Pfau)
  Adaptec 2742 Driver for Linux (Maximilian Gablinger)
  Re: BusLogi 445S and DMA Channel (NEW ANSWER) (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
  DIP upgrade (sorry! :-) (Uri Blumenthal)
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (NetDog)
  Cut & Paste on VTs? (AB)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Byron A Jeff)
  Porting Issues: malloc() and abort() (Clay Luther)

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From: pererik@merkur.cmr.no (Per-Erik Nordbo)
Subject: Which binaries should be under /sbin?
Date: 27 May 1994 11:15:35 GMT

I've upgraded Linux for one year, and now /sbin is expected to exist
when you install new packages.

What binaries are supposed to be located at /sbin?

Thanks!

-- 
Per Erik Nordboe, Christian Michelsen Research, Norway pererik@cmr.no

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From: btate@encore.com (Bill Tate)
Subject: Logitec Bus Mouse
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 11:23:13 GMT

I am a recent convert to Linux.  I have the Trans Ameritech version installed.
my X Server works but I don't seem to be able to get the mouse to respond.
I have used all the settings recommended in the system.  I used all busmouse
dev's also just /dev/mouse the mouse does not work.  I have set it to
/dev/tty0 and the windows start I am able to use the screen that is
open with no problem.  Just can't move between windows.  Can Someone help.

respond

btate@encore.com

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From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Subject: MIME Support
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 03:12:27 GMT

Can someone E-Mail me more information about MIME Support for ELM
under Linux?

Thanx
Eric
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From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Subject: Help!! (with XFree86 and video card resetting)
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 03:42:53 GMT


This is my second time posting for the same problem:

After I started X-window from Linux and then switched to MS-DOS, the
screen is totally screwed up when I enter MS-Windows.  All the icons
disappear even though the names of the icons are still there; the
background of the program manager looks yellowish and is full of stuff
that was on the screen when I was in X-windows/MS-Windows earlier;
my jpeg/gif/mpeg programs also won't work at all now.

My video card is S3 chipset driven, with 1Mb VRAM.

Please help!  

Thank you in advance.


Harry


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From: green@ids.net
Subject: SNMPD for Linux?
Date: Fri, 27 May 94 04:23:13 GMT

Does anybody know where I can get an smpd daemon for Linux?

Andy, green@ids.net

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From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: Re: calendar for linux ??
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 22:05:05 GMT

Nick de Ruyter (ndr@ktibv.uucp) wrote:

: does anyone out there know if there is a calendar for X available for
: Linux ? It is very useful to keep track of appointments and gives
: warning (beep/flashing/mail) when required.
: hp's vue and Sun's openwindows both have such features.

I haven't seen it, but there's an xcalend over on ftp.x.org that might do
some of what you want.

: Nick
: Kinetics Technology International B.V.
: The Netherlands
: phone : (+31) 079 - 531 825
-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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From: johannes@titan.westfalen.de (Johannes Stille)
Subject: Re: LAN vs. linux
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 21:25:38 GMT

In article <1994May25.162120@georges.montefiore.ulg.ac.be> nessler@georges.montefiore.ulg.ac.be (Bernhard Nessler) writes:
>
>Could someone tell me a bit more exactly what are the possibilities
>to connect a Linux box to an existing Novell 3.11 Network, please.
>
>My Configuration:
>
>    Novell 3.11 10-User Server. Only the basic installation, with TCP/IP
>                               but i didn't find a NLM in the server
>                               software to start a NFS Server e.g.
>    DLD-Distribution with Linux 1.0 Kernel.
>       (DLD is the Deutsche Linux Distribution (more or less a german
>       version of SLS, i think)
>
>At the moment my Linux box stands compleatly alone.

So you want to access files on the Netware server from Linux?

1. You can buy a NFS module for the server from Novell ($$$).

2. You can use a third machine to convert from Netware to NFS. Even an
8088 machine without HD would be enough. You have to install this
machine as Netware client and then to run the free NFS server "SOSS" for
DOS on it.

3. If you can't even spare some old PC, there is another very cheap and
_very_ slow solution: replace that PC by a dosemu session that
communicates with Linux via SLIP over an emulated serial port connected
to a pseudo tty. If you need to do this, first install dosemu as a
Netware client, then mail me for further details.

[...]

        Johannes

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From: g609296@win.or.jp (Barry Yip kam-wa)
Subject: Re: LAN vs. linux
Date: 27 May 94 03:30:40 GMT

Serge Iourine (iourine@lourie.und.ac.za) wrote:
>Serguei Iourine (iourine@che.und.ac.za) wrote:
>: I've just installed linux on my computer but I have some problems with
>: connecting it to lan which runs novell software.
>: Could anybody tell me if there is:
>: LINUX EQUIVALENT of IPXPKT (which will wrap up a tcp/ip packet with Novell 
>: stuff that gets stripped off at the server).

>Yes, this is what I am trying to do. Unfortunately it seems that our network
>superviser is not quite competent with this sort of things. So I would like
>to find out what exactly should be loaded on the Netware server to support 
>TCP/IP. At the moment we can use telnet on our dos machines if  ipx and
>ipxpkt are loaded, so I understand that our server has some ability to route
>tcp packets, but if I load ne2000 packet driver with
>pktipx at a dos machine, telnet does not work. And it does not work on
>linux either.

I guess you are using a one segment lan as your netware is a 10 users
license. If that's true and if what you want is telnet only, I don't
think you have to touch the netware server. There is no need to route
IP packets through the server. If you have kermit and setup ODI in your
dos box, you can telnet directly from kermit which IMHO is better than
using the packet driver.

If you really want to load the TCP/IP stuff on your server, try
followings (replace 3c507 with your lan card driver and give an
appropriate IP address):

load tcp
load 3c507 ethernet_ii
bind ip to 3c507 adddr=192.81.171.101


Hope this helps. Don't blame me if you break your server. No warranty at
all.
--
Barry Yip
g609296@win.or.jp

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From: x93christia1@wmich.edu
Subject: Dos/ Linux How do I go between
Date: 27 May 94 00:01:18 EDT

How do I access a Dos formatted disk or hard drive from within Linux? can I
copy between the two? If so, how? Otherwise, how can I get term or kermit
onto my Linux hard drive in order to get more Linux software if I cannot copy
between the dos and Linux partitions??? Please email me as I do not read
unews very often.

x93christia1@wmich.edu
99chris2@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Thanks!!!


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From: x93christia1@wmich.edu
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Looking for PPP for Linux
Date: 27 May 94 00:18:34 EDT

Does anybody know if any drivers exist for Linux to use PPP connections
instead of just the built in SLIP? (or at least mine has slip built in)
THe reason I say, is my university used to have public slip, but has removed
it... Now in order to have access this way, I need a PPP driver...Can
somebody help? thanks...

Please respond via email because I don't read unews often

x93christia1@wmich.edu
99chris2@lab.cc.wmich.edu

THanks...


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From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Subject: Viruses and Linux
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 04:11:36 GMT

Can anyone E-Mail me some information about viruses and Linux and how about
anti-viruses.

Eric
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     Flames/E-mail to ueh@sunyit.edu    |    SUNY Institute of Treknology 

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From: emmett@nite-lite.vic.uucp (Emmett Sauer)
Subject: Re: Dos Emulator for Linux?
Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 06:16:48 GMT

Kevin Ray Deane-Freeman (kevinrd@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:
: Does it Exist and where can I get it????

: NUFF Said!!

Sure it exists... dosemu-0.50pl1.... I found it on sunsite.

Works too!

emmett@nite-lite.vic.uucp

-- 
 
      +----------------------+-----------------------------------------+
      |  nite-lite.vic.uucp  |                  Linux                  |
      |     512.578.2720     |             Fido 1:3802/215             |

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From: pfau@cnj.digex.net (Thomas Pfau)
Crossposted-To: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.cd-rom
Subject: Comp USA's Compudyne CDROM drive?
Date: 27 May 1994 10:44:19 -0400

CompUSA has a Compudyne CDROM drive for sale at $150.  Does anyone know
exactly what this drive is?  I've heard rumors that it might be a
Panasonic.  Is it supported under linux?

-- 
tom_p                           | I could get a new lease on life
internet:   pfau@cnj.digex.net  | if only I didn't need the first
compuserve: 73303,1136          | and last month in advance.

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From: gabling@ks.id.ethz.ch (Maximilian Gablinger)
Subject: Adaptec 2742 Driver for Linux
Date: 27 May 1994 15:57:06 GMT

Does anyone of you knows where I can get the driver for adaptec 2742 Scsi Adapter for Linux ?

Thanks for help
Maximilian Gablinger
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.periphs.scsi
From: terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
Subject: Re: BusLogi 445S and DMA Channel (NEW ANSWER)
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 16:01:49 GMT

Jordan Hubbard (jkh@nx.ilo.dec.com) wrote:
: In article <2s2j80$1go@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl> wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) writes:

:    Because this starts me wonder which kernel I should use with my 445S REV D
:    board under FreeBSD. I'm using the AHA kernel which works great for 16Mb
:    But I'm waiting for the 3.37 Eprom to go to 32MB. Should I use the BT 
:    kernels for FreeBSD

: You can use the Bt driver *now* for your Rev D board with 16MB - I do
: this now.  If we can get the bounce-buffering working for 1.1.5,
: you'll also be able to go to 32MB with it.  Whether or not the 3.37
: eprom fixes the >16MB DMA problem is, however, still an open question
: for ANY of the operating systems.  Buslogic claims success with 3.37,
: yet I've now seen more than a few reports that tend to indicate that
: they did NOT fix the problem.  If this is the case, then the worst
: that will happen with your FreeBSD 1.1.5 system is that it'll simply
: "bounce" DMA >16MB and be a very small degree slower, but it'll work.
: You'll know whether or not we got the bounce-buffer stuff working
: properly in 1.1.5 when you see the release notes!

I don't know if firmware 3.37 is the only thing needed. I got an entirely 
new board instead of the one I got originally. I think the Norwegian
distributor said that you needed a Rev. E card to get this fixed (I got
a Rev. E replacement).

Originally I had a Rev. A card and it is more than the firmware that is
different I think. The revision number etched into the backside of the
circuit board istelf has gone from Rev. A to B. I couldn't see any difference
on the board itself, but there is sveral chips of a different brand, and 
some others that I think have higher revision number (including the controller
chip itself).

Well, what I can say, is that the Rev. E card definately did fix my problem
with more than 16MB of memory with OS/2 at least. So I believe that Rev. E
cards should fix this under other OSs as well.

Terje Marthinussen
terjem@stud.cs.uit.no






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From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
Subject: DIP upgrade (sorry! :-)
Date: 26 May 1994 18:57:05 GMT
Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com

Sorry - please upgrade again, "dip337a-uri.tgz".
On kernel 1.1.15, previous DIP had a problem
with "TIOCS..." ioctl(), so I had to remove
it. Apparently, without it it works even
better (:-).

Usual place - "sunsite.unc.edu"...

Thanks!


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Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.raytracing
From: cdent@yod.honors.indiana.edu (NetDog)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 04:57:48 GMT

>>>>> "L" == las  <las@light-house.uucp> writes:

    L> POVRAY account (povray@uniwa.uwa.edu.au) wrote:
    >> I have been hearing more and more about Linux and the more I
    >> hear the more I like it.

    >> I am not currently running Linux but have seriously considered
    >> setting it up as it would allow me to do more work on POV for
    >> X-Windows than currently possible.

    >> How many readers would be interested in an officially-compiled
    >> and supported version of POVRAY, with X-Windows support, for
    >> LINUX ???

    >> -- Chris Cason POV-Team

[other comments deleted]

    L> A supported version would be a good idea, although I'd think
    L> that many people would not go for X.

I say a supported Linux pov with as many cool X specific additions as
possible is the way to go. Do it. Do it!

another chris



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From: ablumer@eng.clemson.edu (AB)
Subject: Cut & Paste on VTs?
Date: 27 May 1994 13:52:58 GMT
Reply-To: ablumer@eng.clemson.edu


Is there a cut and paste on/between virtual terminals?
If so, how is it done?

Thanks,
ablumer@eng.clemson.edu


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From: byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 26 May 1994 17:20:04 -0400

In article <2rsmft$mtc@sirius.cs.pdx.edu>, Mike Harvey <mike@cs.pdx.edu> wrote:
-
-Comments on various things...
-
-byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
-[oops, lost this author]
->-If we're going to use WP as an example, I'd make a category, "graphics box".
->-Sort of like the stuff in *roff. Include an encapsulated postscript file,
->-or an image - all this would be written out in some sort of format, I guess,
->-like TeX (here I'm shooting out of the hip, I don't use TeX much).
-
->Postscript. Even more universal than TeX.
-
-What about people who don't have postscript printers (like me)?  I use a
-24-pin dot matrix, which suits my needs (I seldom need graphics or fancy
-fonts).  Can postscript be printed on such a printer [easily]?  One nice
-thing about Word Perfect is that it uses each printer's native capabilities
-to their fullest potential.  For instance, it would be a pain for me to
-have to print ordinary text (including bold, italics, etc) in graphics
-mode at s-l-o-w speed, when these are built-in.

Well Mike I believe this is one situation where we can't do it all.
PostScript (and the GhostScript emulator) gives us the advantage of being
able to print on hundreds of different printers without having to write a
driver for each one. I can tell you that there's no way to gather up 
enough people power to generate device drivers for each and every printer
out there. Folks like WP can do it because they employ hundreds of programmers
that are getting paid to generate such drivers.

However recognizing your point I'll keep in mind to provide some kind of
mechanism so that folks like yourself can write your own printer drivers.
It'll probably be in the form of providing hooks between LWPS, the printer
conversion engine (default to PostScript), and the printer driver (default
ghostscript dumping it's output to the printer queue). With the ability to
substitute any of these you can install your own custom print driver for
maximum speed.

PostScript however provides maximum flexibility which I believe is required
of the project right now.

-
-Forgive my ignorance of postscript... but if the program doesn't support
-their hardware, people won't use it.  I know lots of people who use line
-printers simply because their word-processing needs are simple.  Perhaps
-LWPS should have the option to output *roff codes?

Again with the hooks I'm talking about someone could write a converter
to output anything from *roff to LaTeX. 

But we have to pick a default that's nearly universal. PostScript + GhostScript
will work with nearly every printer that has any type of graphics capability.

-
->->>There's one more thing I would add based on my observations of WordPerfect
->->>users:  a spell checker.  I suppose an interface to ispell would work dandily.
-
-I agree.  A spell-checker is a must for many people.  It should have a
-reasonably simple interface-- highlight or display the misspelled word
-and allow correction.  Other features like suggested alternates and such
-are nice, but not essential.

Ispell does that now. No brainer.

-
->->>I would say that a key to a _popular_ WP is that it performs average WP
->->>tasks and not much else.  That way, it focuses on those average tasks and
->->>makes them VERY straightforward for your average user.  This is (part of)
->->>why (imo, of course!), WordPerfect is such a popular package.
->-
->-Ahh, this IMHO should be changed to "Does average tasks, easily" but
->-is also robust enough to include a lot of other features. The features
->-should be available, but shouldn't bother users.
-
->Agreed with the caveat of not being bitten by the featuritis bug. Build
->the core functionality, get it out, add extensions later. User extensibility
->will be a feature.
-
-One way to allow for customization and seamless future extensions would
-be a simple configuration language like that used for fvwm or joe.  With
-reasonable defaults most users would never need to touch it, while power
-users could customize their keyboards, menus, etc.  This would be a trivial
-feature from a coding standpoint.

Agreed. We've already kicked around this idea. It shouldn't be too hard
to customize menus.

Also remember that menus + mouse are the main command mechanism. While we
may provide a set of macro keys and will definitely provide a way to 
access the menus from the keyboard, there is no current plan to implement
keyboard maps so that any key can perform any function. I believe that
between a set of shortcut/macro keys to get to certain menu items + an
extensible menu, we can cover most of the bases.

-
-I really like fvwm's method of building menus using built-in functions.
-With basic core set of functions, it would be easy to assign mouse
-buttons and keys to obtain needed functionality.  It would also aid in
-developing an optimal user-interface speedily, without recompiling the
-program constantly.

Will ask Robert Nation about it.

-
->->>We could do one better by making the average tasks straightfoward but 
->->>(somehow) make more complicated tasks readily accessible for those who want
->->>to venture that way.  (That's my big complaint about WordP--it doesn't do
->->>anything more complicated than a memo easily).
->-
->->Well that an arguable point since we have ultra sophisticated tools already
->->for doing complicated tasks. Balancing power/complexity with simplicity/
->->ease of use is a tough task. I'm thinking for this we err to the latter and
->->just KISS (Keep It Simple Silly!).
-
-If it outputs groff or Latex commands, the user could simple imbed any
-special commands directory into the text (which would be ignored by LWPS).
-That would allow advanced users to make use of those "ultra
-sophisticated tools" without overwhelming casual users.... (?)

Nope. We can't afford to have another level of tool between the user and
their output. LWPS is already going to be dependent on GhostScript, I don't
see a need to complicate things by adding a LaTeX or groff interface inbetween.
Plus it'll be difficult to keep track of exactly where things will lay on the
page and inform the user of this information.

Anyone who wants to use TeX, LaTeX, or Groff really doesn't need this tool.
It's geared for novice to late intermediate users. Advanced and expert users 
will probably be dissatisfied with whatever we produce. It's a waste of time
and effort to even try to please them.

BTW I'm a LaTeX person myself. I probably will not be a heavy user of this
tool once it's developed. Just enough to keep track of what's going on.

-
->Not really. I see the WP task as such:
-
->1) Input text (obviously)
->2) Use the mouse to select portions of text for operations.
->3) one of the mouse buttons will popup a commands menU
->4) The mouse is used to select the approriate command.
->5) On-line context sensitive help would be available at all times.
-
->That's about it. Commands would include:
->- Selecting a font and other attributes.
->- Cutting and pasting.
->- Printing.
-
->Seems like a really simple model. We of course can add complexity but
->I think this is the extent of the core functionality.
-
-I would add spell checking as an essential function.  It doesn't need to
-be elaborate, but should at least be available and simple.

I keep leaving it out. From now on whenever I say printing I mean printing
and spell checking! ;-)

-
->->>>   Most importantly JOE doesn't intimidate folks with hard to use
->->>>   interfaces or massive complexity. Type joe and start typing. Doesn't
->->>>   get much simpler than that. 
->-
->-Yea. No commands like in VI or WordStar just to start typing: just a blank
->-screen like WP.
-
-I like WP's blank screen too.  Personally, I find the wordstar command set
-too hard to remember (or I'm too lazy to bother :-).  Vi is easier and
-more mnemonic.  It is a good model for a control-key based interface though.

Well I'm not too particular about the control key interface we use because
I figure it'll get low usage anyway.

->->>>   6) Simple Interface for commands: solution is to use the mouse when at
->->>>      all possible.
-
-The toolbar in the Mac version of Word (haven't seen Windows ver.) is nice
-for operations like line spacing.  Just a set of pushbuttons for common
-operations.

I'm partial to popup menus myself. And they'll definitely be user customizable
so they can drop any command they like at any level of the popup structure.
JOE already has a status bar up top, maybe a bar at the top is possible too.

-
->->Popups are a more likely senario for command and attribute selection. The
->->pull-ups on the help should probably stay. I like the fact that you can
->->have help up and continue to work. Yes it would have to be expanded and
->->the mouse should be able to select help topics. But I don't think that
->->help should be a popup because usually a user would like to perform some
->->action while help is still up.
->-
->-Maybe popup windows in an X version.
-
->Exactly.
-
-WP 5.1 style pulldown menus would be nice on a console, but too slow on a
-terminal.  For slow terminals, how about lotus-style menus?  Its primitive
-but simple and already familiar to many people.  Instead of '/' use ESC.
-To increase display speed it could be abbreviated BBS-style.

JOE already has this style for its help menus. Should be easy to extend.
I'm not sure though I'm willing to go to the lengths necessary to try to
distiguish between a console and non console link.

-
-Joe's split screen is nice for help in text mode, as long as it doesn't
-consume too many lines.
-
->-Yea. Your choices are basically a control-something and a meta (escape)
->-something.. Or you could be really obnoxious in VI and beep and
->-have a wannabe-menu with just an escape key.
-
->CTRL and ESC are pretty consistent across display platforms. We'd have to
->use some combo of these two. It's an essential but not high priority
->because this is the interface of last resort.
-
-Its not necessarily a last resort.  I use vi in an xterm because its
-quick and familiar, and just use the mouse to select windows or to copy
-and paste.  Good quick keyboard commands are invaluable.

But you're probably going to be the exception. Most novice and intermediate
users will immediately gravitate to the mouse. I'm stating publicly that
LWPS is being designed with them in mind. We'll install hooks for advanced
users but design issues are centered around novices.

However in deference to your comment, we'll plan on simply leaving the
current keyboard and key shortcut interface.

-
-Perhaps two complete command sets, one using joe-style control keys and
-the other using ESC to access pulldown menus like Wordperfect?  I would
-probably not use a WP which required me to use the CTRL key unless it
-was a last resort...  Again, a configuration file seems like a good
-compromise.

There's no real need to pull the current keyset from JOE. However having
to work on a complete key based command interface is a daunting task.
How's about a compromise where commands can be attached to function keys?

-
->-Oh well. I like the ideas. I'm hungry to get coding! (coincidentally
->-I was just about to start hacking on joe a few minutes ago..)
-
->Do I smell a voulenteer? Send me mail and we'll talk some more.
-
-I would be interested in working on it too...

I'll add you to the mailing list.

BAJ
-- 
---
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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From: clay@cool.khis.com (Clay Luther)
Subject: Porting Issues: malloc() and abort()
Date: 27 May 1994 11:39:53 -0500

I'm in the middle of a port of code from sunos to linux.  In doing so, I have
encountered two *large* problems.  This is with the most recent slackware
distribution from cdrom.com.

Problem 1:  malloc(0) behavior.

It seems in the program I am porting there is an instance where the program
wants to perform a malloc(0).  In the ported code, the malloc(0) returns 0,
instead of a pointer to a 0-byte chunk of memory.

However, when I write the following test program:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <malloc.h>

void main(void);
void main()
{
  char *p = (char*)malloc(0);
  if (p) printf("GOOD");
  else printf("BAD");
}

I will always get a GOOD reply.

Does Linux have two different mallocs()?  Perhaps a gnu_malloc() and a linux
malloc() lying around?  Does malloc.h point to linux malloc() (which works)
and some-other.h points to the gnu_malloc()?  I haven't been able to solve
this one.



Problem 2: abort() does not dump.

Even with the default signal handlers in place, the following statement

abort();

does not produce a core file.

The program I am porting provides a signal handler that, after performing some
emergency procedures, restores the default signal handlers and then calls
abort().  I am expecting a core file.  In fact, the disk buzzes about as if a
core file was being laid out, but no core file exists after the execution any
where in the system.

Thanks!

-- 
Clay Luther                              clay@cool.khis.com
Unucks Software Engineer                 Kodak Health Imaging Systems

Brion Gysin's All-Purpose Nuclear Bedtime Story:  Some trillions of years ago, 
a sloppy, dirty giant flicked grease from his fingers.  One of those gobs of 
grease is our universe on its way to the floor.  Splat. - WSB

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