Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #178
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Fri, 27 May 94 07:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #178, Volume #2                Fri, 27 May 94 07:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Mitsumi FX001D vs Sony CDU33A? (Mark Lord)
  Re: Linus on second SCSI HD? (Ronald Kuehn)
  Re: Who are you & what do you do w/ Linux? (Russell Marks)
  Easiest Linux to install (tf49665@delphi.com)
  IBM Thinkpad 750 bussiness audio programming info WANTED (David Jeske)
  Linux Journals received in Denver 5/25/94 (David Feldman)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (u.baumgart@hot.gun.de)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Renee Teunissen(00340870725))
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Renee Teunissen(00340870725))
  Re: who wants POV for Linux ??? (Shannon Hendrix)
  Re: Mitsumi FX001D vs Sony CDU33A? (Heiko Schlittermann)
  Xconfig for Tseng W32 (Richard Smits)
  Re: CERT Advisory ??? WHAT! It doesn't work??? (Michael Staats)
  Re: Ghostscript and epson 24pin printers (Thomas M Gorman)

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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: Mitsumi FX001D vs Sony CDU33A?
Date: 26 May 1994 14:15:48 GMT

In article <1994May25.144615.60415@ans.net> dans@ans.net writes:
>
>I'm finally ready to get a CDROM, and based on price I'm between the
>above 2 models.  Both are proprietary, non-SCSI.
>
>Questions:
>
>- I assume both are supported in Linux, at least the later kernels.
>  Can someone confirm this?

The Mitsumi, yes.  The Sony, yes BUT only at slow speed (150KB/sec).

>Lastly, I've heard good stuff about the Panasonics, but I can't
>find them locally.  Should I look at those instead?  Why?

Yes.  These are the most actively supported non-scsi drives under linux,
with full 300KB/sec throughput achieved thanks to lots of optimization 
work on the excellent driver code.  As far as finding one, remember that:

        Panasonic = Matsushita = CreativeLabs = OMNI-CD = Kotobuki

-ml
-- 
mlord@bnr.ca    Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

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From: inrk@idefix.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Ronald Kuehn)
Subject: Re: Linus on second SCSI HD?
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 20:15:34 GMT

Ryan J Snodgrass (rsai+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
:     Is it possible to install Linux on second HD?  I have OS/2's
: multiboot load up at the beginning (it is disabled now since I only have
: DOS installed, but it's there for times like this ;) and I think I can
: select it to boot from the second HD.  I am going to try to install
: Linux using the tape install version off of a SCSI tar tape.  Thanks,
: Ryan

You can boot Linux from any partition or drive with OS/2's boot manager.
If you have configured LILO correctly, it should be no problem.
This can be done using the setup script from Slackware.
-Ronald
--
Ronald Kuehn                           e-mail: inrk@asterix.rz.tu-clausthal.de
                                         SMTP: inrk@[139.174.2.20]
>>>  To obtain PGP public key use 'finger inrk@asterix.rz.tu-clausthal.de' <<<

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From: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)
Subject: Re: Who are you & what do you do w/ Linux?
Date: 27 May 1994 05:19:45 -0400
Reply-To: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)

In article <2rbincINNbf4@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
Bogdan Urma <bau1@cornell.edu> wrote:
|     After reading through the comp.os.linux groups for the past couple
| of months, I keep running into the same names, and out of curiosity I
| would like to know how you people got introduced to Linux and what you
| use Linux for. I think it would be kind of interesting to see what
| people use Linux for. Also, who is this person lilo, who pops up everywhere?
| Reply here, not by e-mail, so that everyone could read about you!

I got introduced to Linux in quite an odd way. In late '92 / early '93
when I started seriously getting into hacking in C under SunOS at the
university here, I was getting *very* annoyed about the nasty old 64k
limits everywhere under DOS and DOS C compilers on my PC. So I decided
I'd get hold of a copy of DJGPP, the DOS port of gcc, to try out. When
I told a couple of my friends, they said I should just try and run
Unix on my PC - one of them had managed to get a Sun pretty cheap, and
was trying to convince me to run Unix too - but the disk space
requirements scared me off.

I left everything up in the air for a month or so, then finally there
was an article on Linux in UnixWorld, I think, which explained (not
very well) how to install SLS v0.99, as it was back then - kernel
version 0.99pl6 - in a mere 20 megs! An aside; remember when you had
to define your keyboard nationality in /usr/src/linux/Makefile? :)

Anyway, I did this, but had some problems. Back then there was no
colour X server for the Cirrus, and worse, I couldn't switch VCs
without it crashing! (I later found out my video card was setup
wrongly, causing this.) Plus, I couldn't use any SVGA graphics modes
from my programs, as svgalib wasn't around back then. [Zgv came about
as a replacement for things like vpic under DOS - I couldn't run xv
other than in mono, back then.]

To be honest, I nearly dropped Linux altogether. I was thinking things
like, "well all I wanted was a nice big malloc space!". However this
wasn't true; I wanted multi-tasking, and dammit, I wanted *Unix* too!
So after about a fortnight I re-installed and never looked back.

I use 'lifeson', my Linux box, for general hacking, wp'ing with emacs
and TeX (don't cringe, it is possible), gamesplaying (nethack being my
favourite), and the usual messing about. The very best thing about
Linux is just hacking about on it. Brilliant. I tend to use the
consoles, though I sometimes do run X to fiddle about with xspringies,
xmris, or some other time-waster... :) But nethack is wonderful on a
console with the ibm-graphics and colour.

Summary: 20-year-old Linuxer (for 1.5 years) really digs Linux. :)

Cheers,
-Rus.

--
/ russell marks ::: rm1ajy2@gre.ac.uk ::: speak softly and carry a +6 kitten \
| GCS -d+ -p+ c++++ l++ u++ e+(*) m+@ s+/++ n--(---) h+(*) f+ !g w+ t+ r- y? |
\ ::: "His world is under anaesthetic - subdivided and synthetic" - Rush ::: /

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From: tf49665@delphi.com
Subject: Easiest Linux to install
Date: Fri, 27 May 94 02:49:20 -0500

   Which vendor's Linux is the earliest to install from CDROM.  I have a
Mitsumi FX001D CDROM with a second 240 M hard drive which can be partitioned
for solely Linux.  Please email response.

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From: jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (David Jeske)
Subject: IBM Thinkpad 750 bussiness audio programming info WANTED
Date: 27 May 1994 09:09:28 GMT



I'm interested in information about programming the IBM thinkpad 750 bussiness
audio for the purpose of writing a sound driver for Linux, if anyone has
any of this information, or is in the process of working on such a thing
let me know.

Keep in mind, this is not an announcement that I'll be producing anything
soon. I have lots of things to work on, not the least of which are things
which other people need on time (work!). However, I figured I'd get a head
start on the information finding for when I do have some free time.


-- 
David Jeske(N9LCA)/CompEng Student at Univ of Ill at Cham-Urbana/NeXT Programmer
CoCreator of the GTalk Chat Software System  - online at (708)998-0008
Mail:  jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu    NeXTMail: jeske@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: dgf@netcom.com (David Feldman)
Subject: Linux Journals received in Denver 5/25/94
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 14:20:33 GMT

I'm sure others will post this, but both issues arrived in my box yesterday
(#1 & #2) about a month after the subscription was requested. They are very
well done and I'm looking forward to building a complete set (perhaps to go
with my first couple of years of "BYTE" mag.)

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From: u.baumgart@hot.gun.de
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: 23 May 1994 17:33:00 +0200


Hi!

After reading a lot of text about this theme, there seems to be the time
for a conclusion:

- Currently Motif is the one and only GUI-Library for any kind of Unix!

- There is NO free replacement for the osf-stuff

But what is a Motif GUI? This is defined in the Motif Style Guide. There
are two approaches for giving the user a Motif-Style GUI:

1. Write a new widget set which allows programmers to write applications
with the "Look & Feel" of Motif.

2. Write a new widget set which is compatible with Motif both, from the
users point of view and from programmers interfaces.

Both ways have there advantages:

1. Cloning only the look and feel gives the chance, that all odd things
in the motif-stuff can be bypassed. Such a widget set/library could be
smaller, and less memory consuming than the "original". If you take a
look in the motif reference manual you can see lots of so called
convenience functions that are not really essential. Everything covered
by this functions can be done without. Is it really better to write
        XmCreateLabel(parent,name,arglist,argcount);
instead of
        XtCreateManagedWidget
        (parent,XmLabelWidgetClass,parent,arglist,argcount);
Those "convenient" functions blow up everything: The library, the includes
and the time to learn the functions of the library.

2. Cloning both, the user and the programmer interface give the chance to
port applications using motif to the new, free widget set. A typical
example would be mosaic. Using a Motif-Clone it would be possible to
compile it using only free software.

At the moment i am experimenting with the second approach. The results
are nice, the code is not;-))
I concentrate on copying the programmers interface to Motif so that it
is possible to compile Motif-programs with my library. Currently i have
only clones of three widgets:
        XmPrimitive
        XmArrowButton
        XmSeparator
Writing functional prototypes of this widgets took approximatly one week.
The next widgets i am trying are:
        XmLabel
        XmCascadeButton
        XmDrawnButton
        XmPushButton
        XmToggleButton
        XmScrollbar
        XmTextField
        XmText
        XmList
The first version will have no support for keyboard navigation and some
other deficits exspecially in the TextFiel and Text Widgets. With those
widgets working i will try to write the next group:
        XmFrame
        XmDrawingArea
        XmScale
        XmPanedWindow
        XmBulletinBoard
        XmRowColumn
        XmScrolledWindow
        XmMainWindow
        etc.
 Of course this will take a while... I hope i can release a first alpha
 version at the end of 1994. If anybody wants to support the project which
 is still in experimental phase.......

Ciao, Udo.

Udo Baumgart
Z-Netz:     U.BAUMGART@HOT.ZER
Internet:   U.BAUMGART@hot.gun.de
CompuServe: 100317,3135

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From: renee@via.sni.de (Renee Teunissen(00340870725))
Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: 27 May 94 08:52:15 GMT

: If you are one of the ppl whose bias is that there can't be intelligent
: life outside the US, live happy without it. :-)  Or, ask
doesn't it say enough ?? :-)

: volkers@unnet.wupper.de  for ix/MBox bbs software for UNIX derivates.
: I like it and it runs fine.  Ah, and it'$ =free=.

where can I get it?

          +------------------------------------------------------------------
 Greetzz, |   Renee Teunissen:
  _       |     Weekdays: Utrechtseweg 56, Ijsselstein (Utr) Tel:03408-70725
 |_)      |     Weekends: Rozenstraat 10, 6901 HT Zevenaar.  Tel:08360-28448
 |\enee   |     Work:     SNI, Mijlweg 7, Vianen. Tel:03473-65304, Fax:65212
==========+==================================================================
 Disclaimer: Anything Renee says might be nonsence. These opinions are mine 
             and not my employees opinions..  beware or be square..
=============================================================================

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From: renee@via.sni.de (Renee Teunissen(00340870725))
Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: 27 May 94 09:01:53 GMT

Sanford Zelkovitz (sandyz@netcom.com) wrote:

: You can call my system at 714-821-9671 and download the source code for
: XBBS. BTW, there are sites running XBBS under Lynix.

And is there another way of getting the xbbs source?
(ftp-mail? uuencoded email ?)

          +------------------------------------------------------------------
 Greetzz, |   Renee Teunissen:
  _       |     Weekdays: Utrechtseweg 56, Ijsselstein (Utr) Tel:03408-70725
 |_)      |     Weekends: Rozenstraat 10, 6901 HT Zevenaar.  Tel:08360-28448
 |\enee   |     Work:     SNI, Mijlweg 7, Vianen. Tel:03473-65304, Fax:65212
==========+==================================================================
 Disclaimer: Anything Renee says might be nonsence. These opinions are mine 
             and not my employees opinions..  beware or be square..
=============================================================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: Re: who wants POV for Linux ???
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 01:49:44 GMT

POVRAY account (povray@uniwa.uwa.edu.au) wrote:
: I have been hearing more and more about Linux and the more I hear
: the more I like it.

: I am not currently running Linux but have seriously considered setting 
: it up as it would allow me to do more work on POV for X-Windows than
: currently possible.

: How many readers would be interested in an officially-compiled and
: supported version of POVRAY, with X-Windows support, for LINUX ???

What do you mean?  I've been running povray on Linux for two or
three months now.  

What's really needed is a 3D CAD package to make creating the scense
easier.  Or even just a simple program to read a povray scene and
render it in wire-frame graphics with hidden-line removal, etc.
Would be great for super-quick looks at object layout... one the
the hardest aspects of povray.

I've created two Linux logos that are simple but pretty good looking.

640x480... took an hour to render.  Low quality renders just are so
bad looking that object placement is a bitch.

There is a wire-frame CAD for Windows and povray... oughtta be
one for UNIX/X...

: If I get enough responses to make me think it is worthwhile, I'll
: set up Linux here and lobby the other team members to make an
: official release of a POV binary for Linux. Currently, there are
: *no* official POV binaries for any UNIX operating system.

: please reply here or email me.

: on another note, persons wanting to be notified of new POV releases
: via email, and POV news in general, can email povmail@uniwa.uwa.edu.au
: with the message (must be *first line* of the mail) -

:   JOIN NEWS
:     - or -
:   JOIN ANNOUNCE
:     - or -
:   JOIN ALL

: you can also send the request

:   HELP

: the service can also send you POV source files, etc.

: if you have FTP, you can of course get POV from uniwa.uwa.edu.au
: in pub/povray. we have a HALL_OF_FAME and IMAGE_OF_THE_MONTH so
: check them out sometime ! some of them are stunning.

: regards to all

: -- Chris Cason
:    POV-Team


-- 
csh
===========================================================================
shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University

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From: heiko@lotte.sax.de (Heiko Schlittermann)
Subject: Re: Mitsumi FX001D vs Sony CDU33A?
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 06:41:17 GMT

In article <1994May25.144615.60415@ans.net>, Dan Simoes <dans@ans.net> wrote:
>
>I'm finally ready to get a CDROM, and based on price I'm between the
>above 2 models.  Both are proprietary, non-SCSI.
>
>Questions:
>
>- I assume both are supported in Linux, at least the later kernels.
>  Can someone confirm this?

Mitsumi - yes.

>- If you are using either of these, how is the performance UNDER
>  LINUX, and what do you use it for besides install?

Mitsumi - slow.  Slackware driver: ~ 30 KB / sec.
Mitsumi - fast.         Unifix driver: ~ 290 KB / sec.  (But some
bugs, I've heard.)

>- Are there any known incompatibilities between Linux and
>  either of these?

Mitsumi - not known, at least for me.


Mitsumit is cheap.  And I'm in progress of re/new-writing the
driver.  (I'm no kernel hacker and not the original author of the
driver, but I got a FX001D.)

-- heiko


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From: R.Smits@IO.TUDelft.NL (Richard Smits)
Subject: Xconfig for Tseng W32
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 14:50:04 GMT

I could use some help for creating a Xconfig for
my Tseng w32 vlb card. (modedb)
I just can't create the modes that will work on my card.
When I start X11 my screen just is a big mess.

Richard Smits
R.Smits@IO.TUDelft.NL


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From: michael@hal6000.thp.Uni-Duisburg.DE (Michael Staats)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CERT Advisory ??? WHAT! It doesn't work???
Date: 26 May 1994 15:04:29 GMT

cmcniel@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (C. McNiel) writes:

>I have recently read the CERT advisory for AIX and Linux.  I tried it on all
>of our AIX boxes and met with success however I was unable to achieve the 
>same results on the Linux box.  I'm running the Slackware that is on 
>Sunsite.unc.edu and Ftp.cdrom.com and cannot duplicate this.  Have these 
>versions of Linux been corrected or am I doing something wrong and still at
>risk?

The advisories on Linux don't work because they are based on the wrong
assumption that rlogin, telnet etc. are the source of security hole.

But in fact it is /bin/login which is the reason for the failure.
You can search for a working patch I posted in comp.os.linux.admin.

Or ftp the fixed lmain.c from

ftp.thp.Uni-Duisburg.DE:/pub/source/linux/lmain-shadow-3.3.1.c.secure

A gzip'ped binary version of the fixed login from shadow-3.3.1 can be
found at 

ftp.thp.Uni-Duisburg.DE:/pub/binaries/linux/login.gz

As usual with binaries you have to trust me that I didn't build in
other backdoors. So better get the source and compile yourself.
Install the binary with modes 4711. This binary was compiled under
Linux 0.99.14 with gcc 2.4.5.

Michael
--
Michael Staats, Theoretical Physics, Uni-GH Duisburg 
email: michael@hal6000.thp.Uni-Duisburg.DE
<a href="http://WWW.thp.Uni-Duisburg.DE/">Click</a> me!
<a href="http://WWW.thp.Uni-Duisburg.DE/cuaix/cuaix.html">A c.u.aix archive</a>

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From: tgorman@mtholyoke.edu (Thomas M Gorman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Ghostscript and epson 24pin printers
Date: 27 May 1994 11:00:49 GMT

Following advice on the net, I've been using the following
on my KXP1124i with pretty good results (I can't say that the
results are as good as YOU expect them to be):

  gs -sDEVICE=epson -r180x180 -SOutputFile=/dev/xxx -dNOPAUSE file.ps

apparently, r is up to 360x180.

- Tom


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