Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #175
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Thu, 26 May 94 17:13:34 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #175, Volume #2                Thu, 26 May 94 17:13:34 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Dale Shuttleworth)
  Re: FSSTND and hard-disk partitioning (Scott Barker)
  Re: [perl] 'man' in perl? (Jonathan Magid)
  Re: Computerworld says "Expose, Schmexpose" (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Robert Sanders)
  Re: patching the kernel (Kernel FTP site) (Andreas Helke)
  Re: Linux and the ALPHA flamers... (Robert Sanders)
  Cnews + Linux install problems. (Langley Stuart John)
  Re: 3COM PCMCIA Ethernet card? (Donald Becker)
  Xconfig for Diamond Speedstar Pro? (DAVID KRAKOSKY)
  What is "DIR_COLORS" ? (Pawel Potocki)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Berk Walker)
  Re: Why Linux? (Florian Schmidt)
  Re: Followup to GIF question, changing ZGV (Russell Marks)
  Re: ATI ultra pro (PCI)? (David Myers)

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From: dale@mipc-03.brunel.ac.uk (Dale Shuttleworth)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Reply-To: ee90dcs@brunel.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 02:00:00 GMT

Hi,

Lisa Henn (schenn@lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:

[...]

: From my observation of WordP users, the "F11--Reveal Codes" feature is much
: like this (even looks like this), but no one uses it because they find it
: visually distracting from their document.

I believe that F11 is WordPerfect's secret weapon in the fight against
Microsoft Word.  The problem with WYSIWYG is that is doesn't display
enought information on the screen.  The codes which determine the
structure of the document tend to remain hidden.  I don't use F11 whilst
just typing stuff in, but I find it essential when I've finished and
am making everything look right.  Word is a real bitch because it is
impossible to see where changes in page numbering, font, etc actually
take place in the document.

[...]

: Well, from what little I saw of Joe, it looks like a lot of the commands
: are based on ^T's.  Is that right?  Does that count as text?  I use LaTeX
: for my word processing/text formatting and one of the big appeals to me is
: that every formatting thing is handled with a display-able character.  If
: I go to delete, I know what I'm deleting.  (In WordP you can easily screw up
: your document format by careless deletion)

I agree.  Thats why I like F11.  WP could get round this by asking before
deleting codes which will affect things outside the block being deleted.

[...]

: >   6) Simple Interface for commands: solution is to use the mouse when at
: >      all possible. 

: Well, that's what I was going to comment on when I looked at JOE in the 
: other screen.  When I have to use WordP, I use a copy that is on a vax that
: runs in an Xwindow (so I dont' have to close all my applications to do some
: editing).  The X mouse events are apparently very different from WordP mouse
: events, so they are simply not supported.  I do all the editing through the
: function keys, which i guess is how WordP got its start.  My coworkers use
: X also, but when I show them this copy of WordP, they are not interested,
: even though they all swear by WordP.  Why?  Because they want to use the
: mouse.  They like the pull-down menus.  I can't really blame them--it's a
: real hassle to remember shft-f2,2,4,something else, or to look over the
: card every time you want to do something.  It's easier to follow along on
: the menu.

Yes and no.  A good package needs both key combinations and pull down
menus.  I personally prefer key combinations, largely because I find
that if I use a mouse and pull down menus, I need a third hand.

[...]

: Well, here's an idea:  someone came by my office a few months ago with a flier.
: It was for a graphical WYSIWYG interface to LaTeX.  You typed stuff and 
: selected commands much in the way that you do for WordP, but it would write
: out LaTeX commands behind the scenes.  The problem with it was that they 
: wanted $600 for it.  Here they were trying to compete wtih WordP and they
: were charging twice as much.

: How about soemthing like that?  That way we can make use of all the 
: capabilities of LaTeX (as well as all the extended modules, such as ArabTeX,
: MusicTeX (or whatever it is called), etc) but present it in a way that 
: the general gropu of users would like.

This is a very important point.  There are far too many file formats
in this world, it would be nice if the word processor acted as a front
end to an existing format rather then having its own.  Possibilities
include LaTeX, SGML, etc.  Of course, the really masochistic programmer
will write a program with its own internal format, but with filters to
convert to and from any other format on loading/saving - that would
be really nice.  We could then support Microsoft Word, WordPerfect etc
file formats just by writing the appropriate input and output filters :-)

Oh dear, I am getting carried away - there is no reason why output
filters could not be provided to produce things like Postscript,
PCL (this really does need to be supported) and even 24pin Epson.
Obviously all these filters should not be part of the main program but
separate little utilities which could be called as necessary.  You
can then load your Word Document using the Word input filter,
and save it using the LaTeX filter, or the Postscript filter, or the
Epson 24pin filter or the HTML filter, or.....

                Dale.
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*  Dale Shuttleworth                                                         *
*  Dept of Elec Eng,  Brunel University, Uxbridge, UB8 3PH, UK               *
*  ee90dcs@brunel.ac.uk                                                      *
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From: barkers@cuug.ab.ca (Scott Barker)
Subject: Re: FSSTND and hard-disk partitioning
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 14:57:06 GMT

Stuart Herbert (ac3slh@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk) wrote:
> Scott Barker (barkers@cuug.ab.ca) wrote:
> : Well, I've just read over version 1.0 of the linux file system standard, and
> : noticed that it made somewhat of an implication that there be separate
> : partitions for root (/), /usr, and /var (and possibly /home).

> How can you get hold of a copy of the FSSTND?

For the benefit of all, you can get a copy of the FSSTND from
tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/docs/standards(?)/fsstnd*

I can't quite remember the complete path, but it doesn't take much effort to
find.


--
Scott Barker
barkers@cuug.ab.ca

"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people
    very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move."
    - Douglas Adams

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From: jem@bittyblue.oit.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: [perl] 'man' in perl?
Date: 26 May 1994 13:19:17 GMT

In article <2s1fkn$27g@crl2.crl.com>, Bill Hogan <bhogan@crl.com> wrote:
>
>There is a solution written in perl which is probably superior in
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>every way, but, like me, you may prefer this one anyway.
>:-) ..."
>
>  That's it.

sunsite.unc.edu:/pub//Linux/system/Manual-pagers/man-pl-3.tgz.

ps. a search on the INDEX.whole or 00-find.Linux would have quickly
turned this up.

jem.


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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Computerworld says "Expose, Schmexpose"
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 12:17:11 GMT

slblake@eos.ncsu.edu (STEVEN L BLAKE) writes:

>    Jodie Mardesich pointed out: What's the point of merging two un-
>    successful desktop operating systems?

Oh, right.  I suppose we should all abandon them and move to the god of
MS-"Windows", geesh.
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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: 26 May 1994 09:25:14 -0400

dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:


>mdw@cs.cornell.edu's message of Mon, 23 May 1994 22:12:41 GMT

> > >Nope. There's no danger of losing your right to develop software until
> > >they send the police to confiscate all compilers. 
> > 
> > Nope. There's plenty of danger. Look at what Microsoft has done in the
> > past with Microsoft C---only that compiler can correctly generate certain
> > "undocumented" calls required for compiling programs for MS-Windows.

>The correct solution to this problem is to not use Windows. ;-)  I'm
>sure even Microsoft's compiler could be used to roll a new OS.

Actually, wasn't there a big noise a few months ago about licenses
on Borland and/or Microsoft compilers which stated that the user couldn't
use them to develop operating systems?  I'll go dig through my old
BYTEs and see...

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From: andreas@orion.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de (Andreas Helke)
Subject: Re: patching the kernel (Kernel FTP site)
Date: 26 May 1994 13:24:41 GMT

zachary brown (zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote:

: Hi. I use Slackware 1.2.0 with kernel 1.0.8. Where can I find all the
: recent kernel patches? I hear the new dosemu will be significantly
: faster than 0.50pl1, but will require a newer kernel than I have. I
: looked on sunsite.unc.edu. Did I miss the directory?

The right place to look for the newest kernels is nic.funet.fi
/pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/v1.1 or a mirror of this site.
ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de is the one I use.

Andreas
--

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Institut fuer molekulare Genetik, Universitaet Heidelberg
Im Neuenheimer Feld 230 
69122 Heidelberg

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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: Linux and the ALPHA flamers...
Date: 26 May 1994 09:27:14 -0400

Jay.Morris@launchpad.unc.edu (Jay Morris) writes:

>In article <1994May19.113948.10083@uk.ac.swan.pyr>,
>Alan Cox <iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr> wrote:
>>In article <Cq0Fp0.2AHr@ns1.nodak.edu> evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers) writes:
>>>To make this as CLEAR AS POSSIBLE...ALPHA is RISC...Linux is (CURRENTLY) 
>>>CISC... I know of no ports of Linux tothe ALPHA. I do not claim in any 
>>
>>Alpha is a procesor, a piece of silicon
>>Linux is an operating system.
>>
>>I think you need to do a brain check.

>He could have been a little clearer but try applying a little of your brain 
>power.  He obviously meant The Alpha chip is a RISC chip and Linux runs
>on a CISC chip.  Shoot, and I'm half asleep.  I must be, I'm at work.

And that means very little, so he still needs to do a brain check.  RISC
vs. CISC means squat in this case.  The fact that Linux's MM is pretty
hard-wired for the 80386+ (modulo the work done by the 680x0 people) and
that all the device drivers are for the PC is much more important.

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From: u9037268@uow.edu.au (Langley Stuart John)
Crossposted-To: news.admin.technical
Subject: Cnews + Linux install problems.
Date: 26 May 1994 12:42:33 -0400

Hi all,

I am having troubles installing cnews on my linux machine, and have read
FAQ's Howto's etc. I am using SLS V1.05 on a 386/40, virtually as it comes
out of the box.

1st of all, when using the build script, if I specified v7 for the machine
(as it suggests) I would end up getting errors concerning missing include
files when compiling stuff in the libv7 directory. I changed this to the uwp
(?? cont quite remeber) instead and it got passed this problem, but should I
be using v7 for other things?

2nd, just after compiling the above, it goes into the /libcnews directory and
this is where it crashes out totally. When trying to compile config.c I get
error messages like the following-->

config.c:46:parse error before ')'
config.c:46:initaliser element is not constant.

etc etc etc

I have no idea what is wrong, and I dont have a lot of c experience, so
really can fix it myself. I have not changes config.c in anyway, and hardly
changed any of the options in the build script.

thankx for any help

Stuart
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Wollongong, Australia | u9037268@cc.uow.edu.au

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From: becker@cesdis (Donald Becker)
Subject: Re: 3COM PCMCIA Ethernet card?
Date: 25 May 1994 15:40:04 -0400

In article <1994May19.005732.10744@uxmail.ust.hk>,
Scott Deerwester <scott@cs.ust.hk> wrote:
>Has anyone gotten a 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet III (3c589) card working
>under Linux?  Or running TCP/IP under *anything*, for that matter??

Potential alpha testers are welcome to read about my 3c589 driver for Linux
v1.0: 

cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov:/pub/linux/pcmcia/README.3c589

-- 
Donald Becker                            becker@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov
USRA Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
Code 930.5,  Goddard Space Flight Center,  Greenbelt, MD.  20771

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From: KRAKOSKY@sirius.Esy.COM (DAVID KRAKOSKY)
Subject: Xconfig for Diamond Speedstar Pro?
Date: 26 May 1994 08:48:00 -0500

Could someone please supply me with a complete Xconfig file
for my Diamond Speedstar Pro video board. I have experimented
with the sample Xconfig file that come with Linux that claims
to work for this board, but it is incomplete and I have had no
luck modifying it.

  Thanks,

   David Krakosky
   krakosky@sirius.esy.com


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From: ppotocki@panix.com (Pawel Potocki)
Subject: What is "DIR_COLORS" ?
Date: 25 May 1994 23:08:14 -0400


HI,

Just recently I refreshed my old SLS Linux with the newer SLS 1.05.
Now, in the /etc directory I found file DIR_COLORS, that seems to be
usefull for color ls utility. I'm using the GNU fileutils 3.9 with
color-ls patch 3.9.0.2 but I don't know if this file is related to 
to my ls. One interesting thing with this DIR_COLORS is that it can
colorize files according to their extensions (say different color
for *.txt and *.tex). I wonder if anyone knows how to make use of
DIR_COLORS ?

Thank you,

//Pawel Potocki


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From: berk@kaiwan.com (Berk Walker)
Crossposted-To: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: 25 May 1994 16:45:14 -0700

In article <1994May24.225411.15059@cnsvax.uwec.edu>,
 <chastecl@cnsvax.uwec.edu> wrote:
>In article <1994May19.213742.10552@jaxnet.jaxnet.com>, root@jaxnet.jaxnet.com (root) writes:
>> I am looking for some good bbs software that will run under Linux.  Some
>> of the key things that I am looking for are:
>> 
>> 1)  Written and Supported inside the United States!
>> 2)  Source code must be provided (I love to customize)
>> 3)  Must be able to support subscription based service
>> 4)  Must be able to optionally enforce daily time limits
>> 5)  Must track users usage (number of minutes connected in a log or something)
>> 6)  Must be able to run external programs and shell accounts
>> 7)  Must be able to allow guest logins
>> 8)  Each user must have their own login ID (no generic logins like 'bbs')
>> 
>> Some things that would be nice but are not mandatory.
>> 
>> 1)  RIP graphics
>> 2)  ANSI graphics
>
>
>Hehe You won't find one :)  I couldn't find a decent BBS for Linux..  I
>searched many popular FTP sites, yet I didn't find one..
>
>Good luck! :)
>


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From: F.SCHMIDT@BIONIC.zer.de (Florian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Why Linux?
Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 23:00:00 +0000

reply on user caesarw@agora.rdrop.com


> What's the main differences between Linux and (free) BSD?  I'm in the
> process of downloading Linux (Slackware) and have setup about half of the 50
> or so and started wondering why Linux is so popular..  I mean, isn't BSD
> more of a standard that Linux?  So if BSD is free too, then there must be
> some advantage to getting Linux..  What is it?

i dont know. maybe its smaller (i mean concerning memory-requirements)..






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From: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)
Subject: Re: Followup to GIF question, changing ZGV
Date: 26 May 1994 16:25:07 -0400
Reply-To: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)

[...]
| support up to 640x480x16.. Ok. That's a pain, but I can live with it,
| and I usually just scroll around with 320x200x256.. ZGV tho, the best
| program (in my opinion) of the bunch also automatically chooses 640x480x256
| for the Menu screen. Now startmode seems to change the mode I view
| the GIF in originally, because I can see GIFs fine. HOwever, the menu
| is all garbled, since the mode does not work. Anyone know how I can
| tell ZGV to use 320x200x256? If it's a source code hack, that's fine..
| I would like to however be able to see the menus! Thanks.

Ok, you asked for it. :) Here's a 'source code hack', go to the dir. with
zgv 2.2 in it and go 'patch <next_bit_cut_out'

=========================== cut to the chase ========================
*** zgv.c.orig  Thu May 26 21:17:01 1994
--- zgv.c       Thu May 26 21:17:48 1994
***************
*** 654,660 ****
  int r,g,b,n;
  unsigned char *tmp;

! if(cfg.xvpic_index && vga_hasmode(G640x480x256))
    {
    vga_setmode(G640x480x256);
    /* construct 3:3:2 palette */
--- 654,660 ----
  int r,g,b,n;
  unsigned char *tmp;

! if(0)
    {
    vga_setmode(G640x480x256);
    /* construct 3:3:2 palette */
***************
*** 678,689 ****
    /* even for the normal file selector we use an 8-bit mode if possible,
     * since it's much faster.
     */
!   vga_setmode(vga_hasmode(G640x480x256)?G640x480x256:G640x480x16);
    cfg.xvpic_index=0;
    barheight=GDFSIZ*6+6;
    idx_medium=MIDGREY; idx_dark=DARK; idx_light=LIGHT; idx_black=BLACK;
-   if(one_file_only && vga_hasmode(G640x480x256))
-     idx_medium=255;   /* well, not 0 at any rate */
    }

  if((cfg.xvpic_index && cfg.perfectindex==0) || cfg.xvpic_index==0)
--- 678,687 ----
    /* even for the normal file selector we use an 8-bit mode if possible,
     * since it's much faster.
     */
!   vga_setmode(G640x480x16);
    cfg.xvpic_index=0;
    barheight=GDFSIZ*6+6;
    idx_medium=MIDGREY; idx_dark=DARK; idx_light=LIGHT; idx_black=BLACK;
    }

  if((cfg.xvpic_index && cfg.perfectindex==0) || cfg.xvpic_index==0)
=========================== cut to the chase ========================

I haven't had a chance to test this, but it should work. I'll put an option
in to do this properly in the next version (as usual :) ). You're missing
out on the thumbnail pics though... never mind. Them's the breaks. Maybe I
could make it work in 16-colour mode... hmm, that's a thought. It'd be very
slow. Double hmm.

BTW, you might want to check out 360x480x256 mode, and also the vkludge
option which gives 'slower-but-better' 2-to-1 pixel approximation in that
mode.

Good luck!
-Rus.

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From: dem@meaddata.com (David Myers)
Subject: Re: ATI ultra pro (PCI)?
Date: 26 May 1994 16:01:00 GMT

In article <2s25o1$nk0@reznor.larc.nasa.gov>
        beaver@teton.larc.nasa.gov (Guy Beaver) writes:

beaver> I just ordered a ZEOS 486DX2-66 box and deleted the Diamond
beaver> card.  I want to get an ATI ultra pro mach 32 to replace it.

beaver> Does this card come in PCI?  Is it supported by Xfree86?

   Yes and yes.  Get a copy of XFree86 2.1 or higher, such as that
which comes with the latest Slackware distribution, if you want to use
the highest resolution flicker-free.  Let me know if you need a sample
Xconfig.  I run this card on a Zeos Pantera with an NEC 5FGp monitor,
and I'm quite satisfied with it.

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