Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #173
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Date:     Thu, 26 May 94 07:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #173, Volume #2                Thu, 26 May 94 07:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  calendar for linux ?? (Nick de Ruyter)
  Re: CERT Advisory ??? WHAT! It doesn't work??? (Whistler)
  NEC IDE CDR-260 (Dopey (Andy Wang))
  Does linux support Adaptex 6360 Scsi? (Alan Krantz)
  Re: Who are you & what do you do w/ Linux? (C. S. Hendrix)
  [perl] 'man' in perl? (Bill Hogan)
  Re: Beware: Just Computers (Jim Woodgate)
  Re: Fax Software for Linux (Ed Casas)
  HELP - dip isn't working!! (Jeff Haynes)
  Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (David Holland)
  Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Jim Graham)
  Re: A good NFS server ? (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  perfmeter not showing disk stats (Stuart Szabo CMIS)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (System Administrator)

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From: ndr@ktibv.uucp (Nick de Ruyter)
Subject: calendar for linux ??
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 14:01:48 GMT


Hi there,

does anyone out there know if there is a calendar for X available for
Linux ? It is very useful to keep track of appointments and gives
warning (beep/flashing/mail) when required.
hp's vue and Sun's openwindows both have such features.

If someone knows if and where, please respond !

Thanx in advance,

Nick
Kinetics Technology International B.V.
The Netherlands
phone : (+31) 079 - 531 825

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Whistler)
Subject: Re: CERT Advisory ??? WHAT! It doesn't work???
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 00:42:49 GMT

C. McNiel (cmcniel@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
: I have recently read the CERT advisory for AIX and Linux.  I tried it on all
: of our AIX boxes and met with success however I was unable to achieve the 
: same results on the Linux box.  I'm running the Slackware that is on 
: Sunsite.unc.edu and Ftp.cdrom.com and cannot duplicate this.  Have these 
: versions of Linux been corrected or am I doing something wrong and still at
: risk?

        I don't think the recent Slackware distributions are
at risk.

See ya!

        -Sam


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From: awang@plains.NoDak.edu (Dopey (Andy Wang))
Subject: NEC IDE CDR-260
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 22:20:55 GMT

has there been a driver released for the 
NEC CDR-260 IDE CDRom drive?
it's the CDROM drive that gateway gives with most of their systems.
thanks
-- 
*******************************************************************************
* Life's Great Mystery:   * Legalize Marijuana     * awang@plains.nodak.edu   *
* Do I really exist or am * Are you a Government   * awang@badlands.nodak.edu *
* I just a dreamer afraid * brainwash victim?      * dopey@yar.cs.wisc.edu    *
* to wake up and live?    * Choose the right side. * dopey@picard.cs.wisc.edu *
*******************************************************************************

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From: atk@agua (Alan Krantz)
Subject: Does linux support Adaptex 6360 Scsi?
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:32:28 GMT


Hi,
        Zeos sells their systems with the Adaptec 6360 SCSI chip. Does
    linux support this chip and does anyone have any comments on it's
    performance as compared to other SCSI options ?

Thanks!

alan
(email is atk@agua.colorado.edu - news poster is not doing well)

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From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (C. S. Hendrix)
Subject: Re: Who are you & what do you do w/ Linux?
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 17:47:33 GMT

William Henning (bhenning@bhami.wimsey.com) wrote:
 >      This takes "4" seconds on my Sparc II and "22" seconds on my
: >     P5/60. Now I have not compiled this code optimized for the P5
: >     yet, so maybe the story will change when I do compile it for
: >     the P5.

: Funny. It takes 4 seconds on my 486DX50... Please note you are allocating an
: array with 1e6 elements but looping only 1e5 times. Is this deliberate?

It took 4.8 seconds on my AMD 486DX/40...

: >     BTW, here are the benchmarks for my P5
: >
: >     Dhrystones/second       90909
: >     Whetstones/second       25000000
: >     iostones/second         400000          /* SCSI */
: >     xStones                 103196          /* Diamond Stealth 24 */

I get 80K xstones on my OEM S3 card... $90... and I didn't feel guilty
about buying it...  :-)

: -- 
: ----
:   
: bhenning@bhami.wimsey.com   - Linux & OS/2 user at home, OS/2 developer at work
-- 
csh
===========================================================================
shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (UUCP)     | Amd486/40 Linux system
shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu (Internet)          | Christopher Newport University

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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
Subject: [perl] 'man' in perl?
Date: 25 May 1994 23:29:43 -0700

Hello.

On sunsite, in the MCC-sources file man11a.tgz, I find the following 
reference to an implementation of 'man' written in perl:

"README file for man(1).

This is a replacement for Un*x man(1), apropos(1), whatis(1), and
manpath(1).  It has all kinds of neat features that other versions of
man don't, including support for multiple man page directory trees,
preformatted man pages, and troff.  It is provided without any
warranty whatever.  I hope you find it useful.

This program is not a GNU product but it is distributed under the
terms of the GNU copyleft which is described in the file COPYING.

There is a solution written in perl which is probably superior in
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
every way, but, like me, you may prefer this one anyway.
:-) ..."

  That's it.

  No forwarding address.

  I would greatly appreciate information about this "solution written in 
perl" -- like what it is called, where it can be found, etc.

  TIA, Bill
-- 
  Bill Hogan
{bhogan@crl.com}

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From: woody@bga.com (Jim Woodgate)
Subject: Re: Beware: Just Computers
Date: 25 May 1994 19:41:57 -0500

In article <2roq22$i2a@crl.crl.com>, Randy Just <rjust@crl.com> wrote:
>As our customers will attest, we run a first rate business offering good
>products at reasonable prices.  We are very legitimate and contribute to
>our local community.  
>

I bought the Fall '93 Yggdrasil CD-Rom from Just Computers at a great
price and it arrived on time.  The person I talked to on the phone did
not just take my credit card number/address, he made sure I knew what
Linux was all about and that I had a CD-Rom drive that would work.
They also sent me a card when the next version of Yggdrasil was being
released!  All in all, very nice to do business with.
-- 
=================================================================
  Get the Dos Monkey off your back!               woody@bga.com
   Try Linux, a free U*ix for your 386/486...
=================================================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
From: edc@ee.ubc.ca (Ed Casas)
Subject: Re: Fax Software for Linux
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 06:11:44 GMT

In article <CqBFEL.A8G@greenie.muc.de> 
        gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering) writes:
> adap@andrews.edu (Edsel Adap) writes:
> 
> >Is there a public domain fax software for linux?  Preferrably one that
> >can send .dvi, .ps or xwd files.
> 
> mgetty+sendfax, in combination with ghostscript (for .ps) and dvips (for
> .dvi). sunsite:/pub/Linux/system/Serial/mgetty+sendfax*

If you have a single-user system or if you have a Class 1 fax
modem you might prefer efax.  It's much smaller and easier to set
up.  The latest version, 0.6, is available from sunsite.unc.edu
in /pub/Linux/apps/comm.

-- 
Ed Casas (edc@ee.ubc.ca)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
From: haynes@mpd.tandem.com (Jeff Haynes)
Subject: HELP - dip isn't working!!
Reply-To: haynes@mpd.tandem.com
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:35:37 GMT

I am trying to use dip3.3.7 to set up a SLIP connection. I can't get dip
to work though. I have tried applying patches, but to no avail.

Here is the scenario:
The dip script looks something like:

port ttyS0
speed 38400
send ATE1M1
wait OK 2

After the wait is executed, I get "I/O error".

Further dubugging reveals the following:
The write(...) used to send the "ATE1M1" string completes. At least it returns
6. But the read(...) called from wait fails with -1 (errno=4 - EINTR). This makes
sense because the read was interupted by a timeout. If I try a wait with no timeout
period, it still fails. 

I am really baffled. The modem works great for UUCP.

I have a ZyXel 1496E.
Linux kernel 1.1.0

I really need some help. If someone has any ideas, please contact me.

Thanks in advance for your help.
-- 
Jeff Haynes
Tandem Computers, Inc.
haynes@mpd.tandem.com
or
jeff@tenforwd.wiz.com
-- 
Jeff Haynes
Tandem Computers, Inc.
haynes@mpd.tandem.com

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Subject: Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
From: dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Date: 26 May 94 01:46:53


mdw@cs.cornell.edu's message of Mon, 23 May 1994 22:12:41 GMT

 > >Nope. There's no danger of losing your right to develop software until
 > >they send the police to confiscate all compilers. 
 > 
 > Nope. There's plenty of danger. Look at what Microsoft has done in the
 > past with Microsoft C---only that compiler can correctly generate certain
 > "undocumented" calls required for compiling programs for MS-Windows.

The correct solution to this problem is to not use Windows. ;-)  I'm
sure even Microsoft's compiler could be used to roll a new OS.

There is of course still a problem, which is that the market you're
selling to (*) uses Windows. But what you've brought up is really an
antitrust issue rather than a free vs. pay issue.

(*) if you aren't selling, or at least distributing, the problem is
pretty irrelevant.

--
   - David A. Holland          | "The right to be heard does not automatically
     dholland@husc.harvard.edu |  include the right to be taken seriously."

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From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 15:09:06 GMT

I couldn't let some of this go without comment....  Be advised---absolutely
nothing in this is intended as anything other than friendly comments.  If
the fact that I'm very tired at the moment causes me to sound somewhat
less-than-friendly, my apologies---it wasn't intended.  Also, some
comments in here are not limited to the article I'm responding to, but are
more general---they're responding to various comments made in this thread
by different people.

Background:  I'm the author of a (dog-based) shareware program called
KAMterm (there may be a port for Linux one day, when I get the time to
get back to work on it).  I am also a long-time user/supporter of both
free software (not limited to GPL, btw) and shareware.  I find that while
there is a lot of trash in the free software/shareware world (this is more
true in the dos world), there are also a lot of apps that are far superior
to their commercial counterparts.

In article <1994May24.163721.29707@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu
(Matt Welsh) writes:
>In article <1994May24.001335.555@escape.widomaker.com>
>shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (C. S. Hendrix) writes:

>> [ someone else wrote: ]
>>: For one thing, software companies love to misle us into these things
>>: called "upgrades". Upgrades are a wondeful ploy to make your software
>>: obsolete, so you can spend another $100 to get the new version.

Some software companies/authors have much different policies, though, on
upgrades.  For example, once someone is a registered user of KAMterm, they
can download any of the new versions from whatever BBS they want (KAMterm
isn't up-to-date on any ftp sites right now) and use the registration key
and program they were given to register that copy w/o any upgrade charge
at all.

Granted, this is *DEFINITELY* the exception, and probably only realistic
in the shareware world, but it is at least worth mentioning.

>In the case of Linux, the users of free software are responsible for 
>its development. Free software is shared among the community, and 
>everyone has the ability (some would say the responsibility) to develop it.

But you missed part of what C. S. Hendrix was saying---that many users
*DON'T* have the ability to develop free software.  Not everyone is a
programmer.  I'm quite certain that there are even lots of Linux users
out there who don't even know how to do a simple ``Hello World'' program
in C (or any other language).

Now, what those users *CAN* do is send in requests for new features to
the software authors.  In the case of KAMterm, I request just that from
users---after all, I can't think of everything that other people want....

>>Also, what about
>>companies that write excellent software, provide support, their upgrades
>>actually make sense, and their pricing is fair?  
>
>Good for them. I dare say that this is the exception, not the norm. 
>Linux (and much free software in general) is where it is today because
>everyone has the chance to contribute. If something doesn't work, then
>we can fix it. You don't have the choice to do that in the case of 
>commercial software; you are subject to the whims of the company releasing
>the product. And don't assume that the company's goals are anywhere near
>the user's. AIX is a good example of this.

The above may be true for mainstream commercial software, because in that
case, when you buy the program, you're stuck with it...whether you like it
or not.  This, however, is *NOT* true for shareware software.  With
shareware, if you don't like it, or if it doesn't work, you don't pay for
it.  If you're a shareware author, and you're writing code that doesn't
work or doesn't address the needs of your users, you don't get paid.  It's
that simple.  As a shareware author, myself, I'd be very concerned about
any shareware author who felt that the needs of their users weren't at
least a very high priority for their software....

>>Free software currently is more geared to programmers and most
>>new features are the ideas of programmers, not end users.  

Many ideas for KAMterm have, in fact, come from end users who were not
programmers.  These ideas came to me in the form of ``it would really be
nice if KAMterm could do this .... '' and not ``could you change line xx
of foo.c to ....'' (but then, the src for KAMterm has yet to be released).

>I don't think that this is the case. It's considerably harder for
>end users to influence commercial software. No company is going to
>implement a new feature based on the suggestions or complaints of
>a few users. 

This is not always true....  I'm not a company, as such, but I have added
several new features based on single requests from users who were (at that
time, at least) unregistered.  In other words, they hadn't even paid me
anything yet (nor had they promised to do so in most cases), and I did
add their new feature.  Depending on what the feature is, it may or may
not result in an immediate new release (bug-fixes always do).  And, of
course, requests from registered users get top priority, but some of us
do respond to individual user requests.

I have seen other authors do this, too....

I guess my point is that not all authors/vendors of non-free software are
blind to the user's needs.  Some of us really do want to write the best
possible software, but also have to charge money for our work in order to
pay bills.

Later,
   --jim

--
73 DE N5IAL (/4)                           < Running Linux *1.00*! >
      jim@n5ial.mythical.com                 ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W
  ||  j.graham@ieee.org          Packet:  N5IAL@W4ZBB (Ft. Walton Beach, FL)
E-mail me for information about KAMterm (host mode for Kantronics TNCs).


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.unixware,comp.unix.solaris
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: A good NFS server ?
Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 06:32:22 GMT

In article <michaelv.769902750@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
>In <2s084d$1qg@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu writes:
>
>>      Well, I was the one who started this thread, and I did want the input
>>of the Unixware people. For me, the free-ness was not an issue. I just wanted
>>and still want to know what the best NFS server (and client) platform is for
>>Intel PC's.
>
I would just try out FreeBSD or NetBSD in that order and try to sort out
the hardware issues, like which 
o ethernet is the best -- heard goot things about 3com's 3c509
o scsi controller -- PCI or EISA  perhaps from buslogic
o scsi disk  -- many vendors have high rpm like around 7000 rpms.
o platform  -- P66 or P90 are cheap nowdays ( I own a P66 and 
is very nice :) )

The premise here is that  Freebsd and Netbsd are free and easy
to get and install it shouldn't take long to figure out if 
they are useful in your environment.

If you are wondering if the commercial OSes are an order of
magnitute faster or even %50 faster I doubt it. At the physical
media we can pretty much drive an ethernet at full bandwith with
an SMC Western Digital 16bit ether card on a 486DX266.

Hope this helps,
        Amancio

-- 
FREE unix, gcc, tcp/ip, X, open-look, netaudio,  tcl/tk, MIME, midi,sound
at  freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD
Amancio Hasty,  Consultant |
Home: (415) 495-3046       |  
e-mail hasty@netcom.com    |  ftp-site depository of all my work:    
                           |  sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/X

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
From: sszabo@colesmyer.com.au (Stuart Szabo CMIS)
Subject: perfmeter not showing disk stats
Date: Thu, 26 May 94 04:54:42 GMT

I have the slackware distribution of linux and have updated to the 1.1.0 kernel.
I also grabbed rstatd-15y from sunsite.unc.edu.   The problem I have is that
for all other systems that I check with perfmeter everything works fine.  When
I run rstatd and perfmeter on my linux box I get all the stats except for the
disk.   Does this have anything to do with the 1.1.0 kernel?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
        Stuart Szabo


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From: root@bbs.dsnet.com (System Administrator)
Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: 21 May 1994 17:50:39 GMT

root (root@jaxnet.jaxnet.com) wrote:
: I am looking for some good bbs software that will run under Linux.  Some
: of the key things that I am looking for are:

: 1)  Written and Supported inside the United States!
: 2)  Source code must be provided (I love to customize)
: 3)  Must be able to support subscription based service
: 4)  Must be able to optionally enforce daily time limits
: 5)  Must track users usage (number of minutes connected in a log or something)
: 6)  Must be able to run external programs and shell accounts
: 7)  Must be able to allow guest logins
: 8)  Each user must have their own login ID (no generic logins like 'bbs')

: Some things that would be nice but are not mandatory.

: 1)  RIP graphics
: 2)  ANSI graphics

No such animal.


--
Duane Davis       | God put me on earth to accomplish a certain number of
root@dsnet.com    | things. Right now I am so far behind I will never die

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