Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #171
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Linux-Misc Digest #171, Volume #2                Wed, 25 May 94 18:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Did anyone archive the 'Do you remember....' thread? (Hamish Coleman)
  Mitsumi FX001D vs Sony CDU33A? (Dan Simoes)
  Re: URGENT: Linux Security Fixes (John Lellis)
  Re: BBS-development Team wanted (Tanner Lovelace)
  LYNX - Small problem with Linux (Eric Poole)
  Zgv v2.1 sources - anyone still got them? (Russell Marks)
  Re: Linux and Bernoulli? ("Eric Jeschke")
  LSM - What and How? (Lutz Behnke HiWi)
  Re: LYNX - Small problem with Linux (Barry Flanagan)
  linux hardwares (Kaidi Weng)
  Help (sec@world.std.com)
  Re: Mitsumi FX001D vs Sony CDU33A? (Steve DuChene)

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From: hamish@zot.apana.org.au (Hamish Coleman)
Subject: Re: Did anyone archive the 'Do you remember....' thread?
Date: 25 May 1994 23:21:30 +1000

In <2rq6do$343@peril.zot.APANA.ORG.AU> hamish@zot.apana.org.au (Hamish Coleman) writes:
>In <KREJ.94May15165934@eat.electrum.kth.se> krej@electrum.kth.se (Kristian Ejvind) writes:

>>  Perhaps a year ago there was a thread on the subject 'Do you remember...'.
>>If anyone saved those articles (or at least some of them) I would really

>I did archive them, and can mail/post them if people want...

Oh, Oh, following up my own post . . . 


Anyway, since I have been asked by several people for this, I'll just post
it.

I've edited the original messages to remove the headers, sig's and most of
the quoting for ease of reading. (but if anyone is really worried, I can
provide the original messages)

=======snip============================================
From: donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu (Matthew Donadio)
Date: 30 Nov 1993 04:00:27 GMT

Do you remember...
...when the only choice when getting a distribution was getting the root 
        disk first, or the boot disk first?
...alt.os.linux?
...comp.os.linux?
...the first attempt at a split?
...the FidoNET feed?
...gcc-1.38?
...no logins?
...X386 1.2? (not XFree86)
...libc 2.2.2?
...no SCSI?
...when nobody believed that hlu created a bootable root disk?
...shoelace?
...only having the minix fs?
...when no software would work?
...ftp's dropping every 15 seconds?
...bir7 making _20_ patches available in _1_ evening?
...no man pages?
...64Meg limits?
...minix ports?
...real-time mailing lists?
...when the mailing list would flood your mailbox?
...having to use kermit to grab all software?
...reinstalling every four hours?
...pax?
...when you had the INSTALL guide memorized?
...sectors 508 and 509?  
...Linus said 1.0 would be out by last Christmas? :)
...when three was the magic number for syncs before powerdown? 
...no mail?
...when a new kernel would break little used binaries like login and getty?
...when a new lilo would break little used binaries like login and getty?
...having a choice between a wd8003 card and a wd8013 card?
...no ping?
...new filesystems were a dime-a-dozen?
...when Linux nuked all traces of his FPU emulator for the new one?
...the new select() call?

From: jwinstea@osiris.hmc.edu (James Winstead)
Date: 30 Nov 1993 09:24:16 GMT

Ah, you forgot the non-MailNet linux-activists mailing list! :)

> ...new filesystems were a dime-a-dozen?

They still are, really, although most of the new ones seem to be genuinely
new, rather than variants on the minix fs with longer filenames.

How about:
 ...support for non-color monitors? (0.11, if I remember right)
 ...ash? (bash won this one hands down, too -- so much for minimal features)
 ...simpleinit? (call me old-fashioned, but I'm still using it)
 ...ast? (yes, the earlier Linux /etc/passwd gave him an account!)
 ...running update by hand?
 ..."> /etc/mtab"?
 .../dev/tty6[4-7]?
 .../dev/ttys*?
 .../dev/PS[01]?
 .../dev/at[01]?
 .../dev/hd[0-7]?
 ...pfdisk? efdisk?
 ...banjo.concert.net?
 ...the Linux Directory Structure Standard?
 ..."Remember, the only stupid questions are the ones you don't ask."?
 ...impure executables? (still exist, but they didn't always)
 ...libsoft and libhard?
 ...libc.so.3? (didn't last long, from what I remember)

From: hohndel@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Dirk Hohndel)
Date: 1 Dec 1993 14:31:29 GMT

...when compiling the kernel on a 4MB 386sx took 13 minutes ?
...when the first virtual memory was included to have it run on a 2MB
   machine ?
...when the VCs were implemented ?
...`doshell'
...when the word of `finger torwalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi' went round ?
...when AST told Linus where to go ?
...when the shared libraries had the DATE in their names ?
...when introducing the VFS broke infrequent used binaries like bash and ls ?
...when the first preALPHA TCP/IP patches simply cleaned your harddisk ?
...when the extfs was the sensation ?
...`libobz'
...six kernel images on one evening ?
...signal/noise ratio on alt.os.linux was >> 1

From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Date: 30 Nov 1993 23:55:37 +0200

...when Linus tried to phone his hard disk (which quickly led to
        implementation of permissions)?
...or when his ultimate goal was to get gcc running under Linux (no
        more cross-compiling from Minix!)?
...the post about being unable to use X and Linux, because it was
        immoral not to support every graphics card for PCs?
...or, for that matter, when running X on Linux was oh so spectacular?
...when installing Linux required Minix (I don't; I started at 0.95
        or so)?
...when people first started complaining about the lack of documentation?
...when the first magazine article on Linux appeared (C't?)
...Linux News?
...when there were _thrilled_ posts by new Linuxers about how wonderful
        it was?  (back then when it barely had virtual memory)
...when some people started selling Linux, and the flame wars that erupted
        from that (even after Linus said he thought it was a compliment)?
...virtual beer?
...the _first_ Linux user list?
...when Linux was mainly compared to Minix, and how ashamed we all felt
        when Linux was inferior?
...when Linux was mainly compared to Coherent, and how ashamed we all felt
        when Linux was inferior?
...when Linux was mainly compared to low-end commercial systems, and how
        ashamed we all felt when Linux was inferior?

From: uknf@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Olaf Titz)
Date: 2 Dec 1993 17:27:09 GMT

> > Do you remember...
> ...when installing Linux required Minix (I don't; I started at 0.95
>       or so)?

Fortunately you could do it with the Minix demo disk :-)

> ...when the first magazine article on Linux appeared (C't?)

I would rate the first USENET posting about Linux more interesting.
(Back then I had just started reading comp.os.minix for information
*before* buying minix, but seeing the Linux 0.11 advertisement quickly
convinced me of not doing so.)

and then I'm remembering of the days...

... when there was no init, having to push reset after exiting the (only and
root) shell?
... when there was a note somewhere that lacking a login program, the
kernel was mainly untested for non-root users?

...when the first ready-to-use installation kit came out and people
were praising this SLS 0.something for being *bug-free*? (sigh...)

> ...when Linux was mainly compared to Minix, and how ashamed we all felt
>       when Linux was inferior?

or...

...the famous "Linux Is Obsolete" USENET thread?

From: yvain@microsup14 (The Outlander)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 00:54:08 GMT

: ...when Linux was mainly compared to Minix, and how ashamed we all felt
:       when Linux was inferior?
aha.. I was never one for the comp.os.minix lists... I can remember when
ast said that he would fail Linus for his O/S if he were in his class. Oh
Well :)

How about when the kernel source was 500k or less, or when you didnt need
to use compressed Images for booting because the kernels were nice and
small

or when fifo's and symbolic links had not been implemented

when the serial code was still in assembler 

when the serial code was broken and still in assembler :-)

=======snip============================================

How many of these do _you_ remember ??


-- 
Use Linux!                                         hamish@zot.apana.org.au
|-----------------| Bill posters will be shot on sight |-----------------|
``Life is like a grapefruit ... it's sort of orangey-yellow and dimpled on
the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle.  It's got pips inside too. Oh,
and some people have half a one for breakfast.'' -- Ford Prefect

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From: dans@ans.net (Dan Simoes)
Subject: Mitsumi FX001D vs Sony CDU33A?
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 14:46:15 GMT

This is not a newbie question, so read on.
I've scoured all the docs and cannot find a good answer to
this, so bear with me.

I'm finally ready to get a CDROM, and based on price I'm between the
above 2 models.  Both are proprietary, non-SCSI.

Questions:

- I assume both are supported in Linux, at least the later kernels.
  Can someone confirm this?

- If you are using either of these, how is the performance UNDER
  LINUX, and what do you use it for besides install?

- Are there any known incompatibilities between Linux and
  either of these?

Lastly, I've heard good stuff about the Panasonics, but I can't
find them locally.  Should I look at those instead?  Why?

Thanks,

| Dan |
-- 
Dan Simoes                                dans@ans.net
Associate Programmer                     (914) 789-5378
Advanced Network & Services               Elmsford, NY

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From: lellis@dmccorp.com (John Lellis)
Subject: Re: URGENT: Linux Security Fixes
Date: 25 May 1994 15:05:06 GMT

Rene COUGNENC (rene@renux.frmug.fr.net) wrote:
: Ce brave John Lellis ecrit:

: > Alan Cox (A.Cox@swansea.ac.uk) wrote:
: > : This tar contains both source and binaries built for libc 4.5.21 without
: > : shadow passwords. The source can build for shadow passwords.

: > Unfortunately, the binaries supplied give a library mismatch error on my
: > system (SLS 1.03 running 1.0.0 kernel) and telnetd.c does not compile when
: > I try to make:

: You might consider upgrading to the up to date libraries and development
: tools, I think...

Actually, I've considered that for some time, but after being burned by an
earlier attempt to upgrade to GCC 2.5.7 I've been reluctant.  These upgrades
are not for the faint-of-heart!  :-)

On the other hand, Fred van Kempen's fixes, found in net-security-fix.tar.gz,
compiled out-of-the-box on my system using GCC 2.4.5 and LIBC 4.4.2 and seem
to have plugged the security hole without compromising any functionality.

My compliments, too, to Kris Gleason for his quick attention to getty_ps.  His
getty_ps-2.0.7e.tar.gz also compiled out-of-the-box and appears to have fixed
the "login: -froot" problem on the local console and dial-in ports.

Kudos all around for those who pitched in to get this fiasco under control!

--

John Lellis (lellis@dmccorp.com)

--
... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore
strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4.




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From: lovelace@netcom.com (Tanner Lovelace)
Subject: Re: BBS-development Team wanted
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 14:14:49 GMT

dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu (David A. Ranch) writes:

[...]
>I'm no C god... ( yet.. ) but I would be willing to help with the coding and
>the planning.  I have loved Renegade for a while but having a Linux BBs would
>just kick ass.. So who else is interested?
>>
>-- 
>--
>David


I'm interested.  I've been looking for something like this for a while.
I'm no C god either, but I can hold my own.  Anyway, let me know what
we can do about the planning and coding of this.
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From: epoole@leotech.mv.com (Eric Poole)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: LYNX - Small problem with Linux
Date: Wed, 25 May 94 16:01:27 GMT
Reply-To: epoole@leotech.mv.com

I wonder if you all could help me with a small problem ...

I have acquired, compiled, and installed lynx on a Linux 0.99pl15
system, and all works very well _except_ for one problem.

When I tried calling in from the outside using a MessDOS terminal
emulator program (Telix), everything that the lynx client returns is
in reverse video, with no highlighting or underlining of the hypertext
"anchor words" or whatever those html keywords are called (I'm real
new at this stuff and don't have the terminology down yet).  That
makes it difficult for the caller to determine where the keywords are
that direct him to the next page. Pressing downarrow and uparrow will
move the cursor to the proper keywords, so it's still marginally
useable if the caller has some patience ... unfortunately, most of the
users of this BBS have little or none, so I'd like to fix it so that
they can tell at a glance what's going on.

I have tried setting Telix to all of the available terminal emulations
(ANSI, ANSI-BBS, VT102, VT52, Avatar).  I have also tried a couple of
other terminal programs (Robocomm and Procomm).  I have edited
lynx.cfg to set "CHARACTER_SET:IBM PC character set" and have edited
userdefs.h to "#define SHOW_CURSOR TRUE".  I have also tried making
some changes to HTML.c per some suggestions from the lynx development
folks.  I have also tried just connecting directly to the Linux
user ports, bypassing the modems.  Nothing makes any difference.

I also tried compiling with -DFANCY_CURSES (wouldn't compile).

Lynx works fine on the local linux screen, just not too well for
dial-in users.

If you could offer a suggestion as to what I can try I'd sure
appreciate it ... will summarize any e-mail replies to
epoole@leotech.mv.com.

 . . . . . ep


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From: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)
Subject: Zgv v2.1 sources - anyone still got them?
Date: 25 May 1994 14:52:07 -0400
Reply-To: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)

I'm looking for the source to zgv v2.1 to try and find a bug I appear
to have introduced into v2.2. Everyone who's reported it to me has given
different symptoms (though they are vaguely similar), and most say it
didn't happen with v2.1. So if you've got a copy or know where I can
get a copy, please email me.

Yes I know I should keep old copies. Please don't tell me that. :-/

Thanks,
-Rus.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
From: "Eric Jeschke" <jeschke@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Linux and Bernoulli?
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 12:05:09 -0500

ricrob@metronet.com (Rick Roberts) writes:

:If you have an Iomega interface card (PC2B) you can purchase a UNIX driver
:from Iomega for $100.  They only support AT&T and SCO UNIX.  I am attempting
:to use their driver with Linux.  Since I am new at this sort of thing, it
:will probably take a while.  What I need to do is recompile the Linux
:kernel with the driver.  Also included with the drivers are some utilities
:for formatting disks, etc.  I am so far unable to get Linux to recognize these
:as executables.  Any help would be appreciated.

:Since the drivers are not freely distributed I would guess that a kernel
:compiled using them could not be freely distributed.  However, if it's
:just a matter of buying the drivers and recompiling the kernel, that's
:pretty painless.

:The people I talked with at Iomega never heard of Linux.


Please note that Bernoulli drives work just fine with the more general
SCSI controllers supported by Linux (e.g. mine is an Ultrastor 34F).
I was under the impression that the Iomega controllers were Adaptec-
compatible, but I guess not 100%.

-- 
Eric Jeschke                      |          Indiana University
jeschke@cs.indiana.edu            |     Computer Science Department

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From: behnke@tu-harburg.d400.de (Lutz Behnke HiWi)
Subject: LSM - What and How?
Date: 25 May 1994 16:50:08 GMT

Hello World,

when I was browsing the ftp-pathes the other day,
I noticed funy things, I did.

some files, ending 'LSM'.
Saw no explanation then.
I wandered what they might be.
So please sent info, fast to me.
Does there exist a tool.
to grab them quick, maybe with a searching rule.

Who designed them, wrote what standard,
give me a ftp-pointer and all that.
I beg you and I pleed.
of that info Im in very need.

So wriggle your fingers, write something quick
don't let me out here, alone on this stick.


I hope this 'poem' isn't to bad.
mfg
Lutz 

| Lutz Behnke | behnke@tu-harburg.d400.de |(Germany) +40 / 630 39 38 |
|  TU Hamburg Harburg, Hamburg, Germany, Europe, Earth, Sol-System   |
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From: barryf@iol.ie (Barry Flanagan)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: LYNX - Small problem with Linux
Date: 25 May 1994 17:00:01 GMT


: I also tried compiling with -DFANCY_CURSES (wouldn't compile).


-DFANCY_CURSES will compile, but you need to make sure that you have the 
ncurses set up right. What I did was change the -lcurses to -lncurses in 
Makefile, then go to /usr/include and copy ncurses/ncurses.h ncurses/term.h
and ncurses/unctrl.h to ./ 

Also edit lynx2-3/src/LYCurses.h to include <ncurses.h> instead of <curses.h>

I think this will just about do it, and it should solve your problem, though
I too find that dial-in modem users to linux get messed up screens more often 
than on our SCO machine, which is due to dificiencies in linux's termcap.

Hope this helps.

-Barry

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From: kweng@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Kaidi Weng)
Subject: linux hardwares
Date: 25 May 1994 16:27:28 GMT


Hi, y'all.  I plan to upgrade my current machine to a 486(40 or dx2-66)
with PCI bus, and the graphic card is going to be Hercules Dynamite Pro
or Number-9's.  Any idea if linux support 'em(ie, take full advantage
of those hardware)?  Also, someone mentioned to me that there was some
bugs in PCI when it first came out.  Is it true?  If so, what was the
bug/bugs(he couldn't remember the bug)?  Appreciate for any info
you can send to me.  Thanks.

--kaidi (kweng@garnet.acns.fsu.edu)

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From: sec@world.std.com
Subject: Help
Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 21:50:01 GMT

I am having trouble installing PPP.  Anyone with advise, please write.

Thanks,
SEC

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From: s0017210@cc.ysu.edu (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Re: Mitsumi FX001D vs Sony CDU33A?
Date: 25 May 1994 17:29:56 GMT

: Questions:

: - If you are using either of these, how is the performance UNDER
:   LINUX, and what do you use it for besides install?
        I had the same question a few months ago, as to what good
        a CD-ROM drive is on a UNIX workstation. Since then I have 
        discovered that many of the ftp site sources are available
        on CD so for those of us without actual Internet connections
        (i.e. better than 14.4k/sec) this is a good way to get large
        volumes of source code for various applications.

-- 
| sduchene@cis.ysu.edu  or  s0017210@cc.ysu.edu  Steven A. DuChene  
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
|They all laughed at Albert Einstein. They all laughed at Columbus. 
|Unfortunately, they also all laughed at Bozo the Clown. 

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