Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #167
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Tue, 24 May 94 19:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #167, Volume #2                Tue, 24 May 94 19:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Compiling term115 on sun? (Ben Taylor)
  Re: Did anyone archive the 'Do you remember....' thread? (Hamish Coleman)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Mike Harvey)
  Large SCSI HD's (1.4g) on Linux (green@ids.net)
  Re: PCI or VL bus SCSI Host Adapters (David H Dennis)
  SUMMARY: where is the source for "xbombs"? (Chris Metcalf)
  Re: Porting to Linux (Nicholas Ambrose)
  Re: Linux and Bernoulli? (Piotr Kapiszewski)
  Re: 3 instnaces of vaporware (Robert Sanders)
  Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software (Soeren M Soerries)
  Re: problems with slip/dip and route. (Rob Janssen)
  Re: NeXT like voice mail ? (Thomas Quinot)
  Hunt on Linux (Dan Y. Frumin)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: s9ubxt@almserv.uucp (Ben Taylor)
Subject: Re: Compiling term115 on sun?
Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 18:12:46 GMT

hoeij@sci.kun.nl (Mark van Hoeij) writes:

>In <CqAxFw.FnH@cs.vu.nl> cvrij@cs.vu.nl (C. van Rij) writes:

>>I tried to install term115 on both my Linux and a sun; Linux was no
>>problem, but the sun reported N_TTY undefined.. (oops, should I be   
>>asking this here?) I assume this is supposed to be in one of the
>>included files? (It doesn't appear to be in the term-files, and since 
>>Linux didn't complain...). Anyone know where it should be defined?>

>I wrote a script zoekh (a rather stupid script though)

> find /lib -name \*.h -exec grep -l $1 {} \;
> find /usr -name \*.h -exec grep -l $1 {} \;

>zoekh N_TTY tells me that N_TTY is defined as 0 on my Linux machine. I used
>this value on the sun, the compilation got a little further but still didn't
>finish. Maybe someone can get it a step further?

You can set N_TTY to 0 for a sun, but it won't make any difference.  The
problem is that the termios structure is limited by the variable NCCS in
/usr/include/sys/termios.h.  The value is 17.  Since the termios structure
defined in terminal.c has 19 entries, this causes a problem.  

Here is a context diff to make this work with SunOS and Solaris.  I am
running SunOS at home, and Solaris 2.3 in 2 different locations.  I
have tested everything but tredir, and there's only a little problem
I've found with trsh doing an interactive login.  I've not had much
time to track down what its doing.

BTW, the problem with Solaris is that the termios structure doesn't have
the "char cline" entry before the cc_t[NCCS] array.  Since N_TTY is
not there, defining it in the structure is what breaks it.

==========================Cut Here====================================
*** terminal.c.Orig     Tue May 24 14:25:55 1994
--- terminal.c  Tue May 24 14:30:25 1994
***************
*** 1,3 ****
--- 1,7 ----
+ #ifdef sun
+ #define N_TTY 0
+ #endif
+ 
  #ifdef TENT_Z
  #define I_IOCTL
  #endif
***************
*** 84,91 ****
--- 88,101 ----
        OPOST|ONLCR, /* oflag */
        B38400|CS8|CREAD|HUPCL, /* cflag */
        ISIG|ICANON|ECHO|ECHOE|ECHOCTL|IEXTEN, /* lflag */
+ #ifndef SVR4
        N_TTY,
+ #endif
+ #ifdef sun
+       { 3, 28, 127, 21, 4, 0, 1, 0, 17, 19, 26, 0, 18, 15, 23, 22, 0 } };
+ #else
        { 3, 28, 127, 21, 4, 0, 1, 0, 17, 19, 26, 0, 18, 15, 23, 22, 0,0,0 } };
+ #endif
  
  void terminal_new(int fd) {
  #ifdef USE_TCATTR
==========================Cut Here====================================

>Regards,
> Mark van Hoeij


Ben Taylor
Smoke N' Mirrors, Inc.
bent@fnma.com
bent@snm.com

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From: hamish@zot.apana.org.au (Hamish Coleman)
Subject: Re: Did anyone archive the 'Do you remember....' thread?
Date: 23 May 1994 22:09:28 +1000

In <KREJ.94May15165934@eat.electrum.kth.se> krej@electrum.kth.se (Kristian Ejvind) writes:

>  Perhaps a year ago there was a thread on the subject 'Do you remember...'.
>If anyone saved those articles (or at least some of them) I would really
>appreciate if they could be available by ftp, or maybe reposted so that all
>our newcomers could get some interesting facts on what linux was a (not very
>long) while ago.

I did archive them, and can mail/post them if people want...


-- 
Use Linux!                                         hamish@zot.apana.org.au
|-----------------| Bill posters will be shot on sight |-----------------|
``Life is like a grapefruit ... it's sort of orangey-yellow and dimpled on
the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle.  It's got pips inside too. Oh,
and some people have half a one for breakfast.'' -- Ford Prefect

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From: mike@cs.pdx.edu (Mike Harvey)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 24 May 1994 03:55:57 -0700


Comments on various things...

byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
[oops, lost this author]
>-If we're going to use WP as an example, I'd make a category, "graphics box".
>-Sort of like the stuff in *roff. Include an encapsulated postscript file,
>-or an image - all this would be written out in some sort of format, I guess,
>-like TeX (here I'm shooting out of the hip, I don't use TeX much).

>Postscript. Even more universal than TeX.

What about people who don't have postscript printers (like me)?  I use a
24-pin dot matrix, which suits my needs (I seldom need graphics or fancy
fonts).  Can postscript be printed on such a printer [easily]?  One nice
thing about Word Perfect is that it uses each printer's native capabilities
to their fullest potential.  For instance, it would be a pain for me to
have to print ordinary text (including bold, italics, etc) in graphics
mode at s-l-o-w speed, when these are built-in.

Forgive my ignorance of postscript... but if the program doesn't support
their hardware, people won't use it.  I know lots of people who use line
printers simply because their word-processing needs are simple.  Perhaps
LWPS should have the option to output *roff codes?

>->>There's one more thing I would add based on my observations of WordPerfect
>->>users:  a spell checker.  I suppose an interface to ispell would work dandily.

I agree.  A spell-checker is a must for many people.  It should have a
reasonably simple interface-- highlight or display the misspelled word
and allow correction.  Other features like suggested alternates and such
are nice, but not essential.

>->>I would say that a key to a _popular_ WP is that it performs average WP
>->>tasks and not much else.  That way, it focuses on those average tasks and
>->>makes them VERY straightforward for your average user.  This is (part of)
>->>why (imo, of course!), WordPerfect is such a popular package.
>-
>-Ahh, this IMHO should be changed to "Does average tasks, easily" but
>-is also robust enough to include a lot of other features. The features
>-should be available, but shouldn't bother users.

>Agreed with the caveat of not being bitten by the featuritis bug. Build
>the core functionality, get it out, add extensions later. User extensibility
>will be a feature.

One way to allow for customization and seamless future extensions would
be a simple configuration language like that used for fvwm or joe.  With
reasonable defaults most users would never need to touch it, while power
users could customize their keyboards, menus, etc.  This would be a trivial
feature from a coding standpoint.

I really like fvwm's method of building menus using built-in functions.
With basic core set of functions, it would be easy to assign mouse
buttons and keys to obtain needed functionality.  It would also aid in
developing an optimal user-interface speedily, without recompiling the
program constantly.

>->>We could do one better by making the average tasks straightfoward but 
>->>(somehow) make more complicated tasks readily accessible for those who want
>->>to venture that way.  (That's my big complaint about WordP--it doesn't do
>->>anything more complicated than a memo easily).
>-
>->Well that an arguable point since we have ultra sophisticated tools already
>->for doing complicated tasks. Balancing power/complexity with simplicity/
>->ease of use is a tough task. I'm thinking for this we err to the latter and
>->just KISS (Keep It Simple Silly!).

If it outputs groff or Latex commands, the user could simple imbed any
special commands directory into the text (which would be ignored by LWPS).
That would allow advanced users to make use of those "ultra
sophisticated tools" without overwhelming casual users.... (?)

>Not really. I see the WP task as such:

>1) Input text (obviously)
>2) Use the mouse to select portions of text for operations.
>3) one of the mouse buttons will popup a commands menU
>4) The mouse is used to select the approriate command.
>5) On-line context sensitive help would be available at all times.

>That's about it. Commands would include:
>- Selecting a font and other attributes.
>- Cutting and pasting.
>- Printing.

>Seems like a really simple model. We of course can add complexity but
>I think this is the extent of the core functionality.

I would add spell checking as an essential function.  It doesn't need to
be elaborate, but should at least be available and simple.

>->>>   Most importantly JOE doesn't intimidate folks with hard to use
>->>>   interfaces or massive complexity. Type joe and start typing. Doesn't
>->>>   get much simpler than that. 
>-
>-Yea. No commands like in VI or WordStar just to start typing: just a blank
>-screen like WP.

I like WP's blank screen too.  Personally, I find the wordstar command set
too hard to remember (or I'm too lazy to bother :-).  Vi is easier and
more mnemonic.  It is a good model for a control-key based interface though.

>->There are a lot of crazies that use vi. I'm one of them! 
>->However it's suicide to show it to a novice user.
>-
>-I use VI way too much, but I use maybe 4 "features": insert, delete, search,
>-and save :)

Me too.  I have maybe 7-8 commands which do 99% of the work.

>->For the next sentence I need a name for "our system".
>->I Christen this project the Linux Word Processing System!
>->(LWPS for short. Pronounced: lips!)

>-Nah, that'd imply that there are no other word processors. :)

Even more generic: "portable word processor" (pwp, pronounced "pup")?
Or, "Linux Word(tm)" };->
(not to discount your suggestion; just tossing about ideas...)

>->>>   6) Simple Interface for commands: solution is to use the mouse when at
>->>>      all possible.

The toolbar in the Mac version of Word (haven't seen Windows ver.) is nice
for operations like line spacing.  Just a set of pushbuttons for common
operations.

>->Popups are a more likely senario for command and attribute selection. The
>->pull-ups on the help should probably stay. I like the fact that you can
>->have help up and continue to work. Yes it would have to be expanded and
>->the mouse should be able to select help topics. But I don't think that
>->help should be a popup because usually a user would like to perform some
>->action while help is still up.
>-
>-Maybe popup windows in an X version.

>Exactly.

WP 5.1 style pulldown menus would be nice on a console, but too slow on a
terminal.  For slow terminals, how about lotus-style menus?  Its primitive
but simple and already familiar to many people.  Instead of '/' use ESC.
To increase display speed it could be abbreviated BBS-style.

Joe's split screen is nice for help in text mode, as long as it doesn't
consume too many lines.

>-Yea. Your choices are basically a control-something and a meta (escape)
>-something.. Or you could be really obnoxious in VI and beep and
>-have a wannabe-menu with just an escape key.

>CTRL and ESC are pretty consistent across display platforms. We'd have to
>use some combo of these two. It's an essential but not high priority
>because this is the interface of last resort.

Its not necessarily a last resort.  I use vi in an xterm because its
quick and familiar, and just use the mouse to select windows or to copy
and paste.  Good quick keyboard commands are invaluable.

Perhaps two complete command sets, one using joe-style control keys and
the other using ESC to access pulldown menus like Wordperfect?  I would
probably not use a WP which required me to use the CTRL key unless it
was a last resort...  Again, a configuration file seems like a good
compromise.

>-Oh well. I like the ideas. I'm hungry to get coding! (coincidentally
>-I was just about to start hacking on joe a few minutes ago..)

>Do I smell a voulenteer? Send me mail and we'll talk some more.

I would be interested in working on it too...

Mike
-- 
Mike Harvey
mike@cs.pdx.edu
Put all things to the test; keep what is good. 

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From: green@ids.net
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Large SCSI HD's (1.4g) on Linux
Date: Tue, 24 May 94 10:31:14 GMT

Hi - a year or two ago I was playing with Linux with a large (1.4 gig)
SCSI drive (using an Adaptec card).  Well, the problem was that the drive
would make these long onboxious sounds all the time - like the head was moving 
all accross the drive... things would work fine, but while the drive was
doing this, the system would STOP completely.  It sort of made things not work 
very well :-)

Well, I'm wondering if this has been fixed?  I'd like to set up Linux on our 486 with
1.4 gigger as a news server, but not if the drive problems still exist...

Andy, green@ids.net


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: dhd@netcom.com (David H Dennis)
Subject: Re: PCI or VL bus SCSI Host Adapters
Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 14:39:25 GMT

I have an Ultrastor 34F VL bus controller, which works just fine with my
1.8GB Quantum hard disk.  (Soon to be 2-1.8GB Quantums - we'll see how
well it scales up!)

If anyone could point me to a benchmark, I'd be more than happy to try
it on my system.

Unfortunately, Ultrastor is apparently going out of business, so I don't
know if you'd want to buy one or not ...

D

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From: metcalf@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU (Chris Metcalf)
Subject: SUMMARY: where is the source for "xbombs"?
Date: 24 May 1994 19:49:35 GMT

Many thanks to Nicholas Ambrose <na2@doc.ic.ac.uk> and Ron Smits
<ron@draconia.hacktic.nl> for pointers to minesweeper sources.
The source to xbombs is, for some reason, called xmines, and can be
found in sunsite.unc.edu:pub/Linux/games/x11/strategy/xmines.tar.gz.

xbombs doesn't work correctly when given an empty score file; it
defaults to an impossible list of scores which no valid game can join.
The following patch corrects the problem:

  *** 1.1       1994/05/24 18:53:05
  --- score.c   1994/05/24 19:28:25
  ***************
  *** 16,22 ****
    {
        unsigned score;
        char name[NAMEsIZE];
  ! } scores[NUMsCORES] = {{999,""}};
    
    openScores()
    {
  --- 16,22 ----
    {
        unsigned score;
        char name[NAMEsIZE];
  ! } scores[NUMsCORES];
    
    openScores()
    {
  ***************
  *** 34,40 ****
    
        rewind(scoreFile);
    
  !     for (i = 0; i < NUMsCORES; i++) {
  !         fscanf (scoreFile,SCOREfORMAT, &scores[i].score, scores[i].name);
        }
    }
  --- 34,45 ----
    
        rewind(scoreFile);
    
  !     for (i = 0; i < NUMsCORES; i++)
  !         if (fscanf (scoreFile,SCOREfORMAT, &scores[i].score, scores[i].name)
  !             != 2)
  !             break;
  !     for (; i < NUMsCORES; i++) {
  !         scores[i].score = 999;
  !         strcpy(scores[i].name, "---");
        }
    }

The other game brought to my attention was xdemineur, which is very
similar to xbombs (available on ftp.x.org:R5contrib/xdemineur-1.1.tar.gz).
It has the handy feature of an option to automatically generate an opening
position.  However, by default it doesn't support the middle button on a
three-button mouse (used to automatically clear the surrounding tiles);
I added the following patch to make it work.

  *** 1.1       1994/05/24 17:38:30
  --- main.c    1994/05/24 17:39:07
  ***************
  *** 294,300 ****
                      case_vide ( lig , col ) ;
                   }
                   else if ( tableau [ lig ] [ col ] . etat == DECOUVERTE &&
  !                          bouton == 2 )
                   {
                      quoi = DOUBLE_CLIC ;
                      cases_vides ( lig , col ) ;
  --- 294,300 ----
                      case_vide ( lig , col ) ;
                   }
                   else if ( tableau [ lig ] [ col ] . etat == DECOUVERTE &&
  !                          ( bouton == 2 || event . xbutton . button == Button2 ) )
                   {
                      quoi = DOUBLE_CLIC ;
                      cases_vides ( lig , col ) ;
-- 
                        Chris Metcalf, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
                        metcalf@lcs.mit.edu   //   +1 (617) 253-7766

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From: na2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Nicholas Ambrose)
Subject: Re: Porting to Linux
Date: 24 May 1994 20:56:46 +0100


In article <199405241723.AA10714@cool.khis.com>, clay@cool.khis.com (Clay Luther) writes:
|> I've looked over the FAQ's and the HOWTO's, but I can't find anything 
|> resembling a "porter's guide" for linux.
|> 
|> I have a sunos-based program I would like to port, so I was looking for such
|> information.
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Clay Luther                              clay@cool.khis.com
|> Unucks Software Engineer                 Kodak Health Imaging Systems
|> 
|> Brion Gysin's All-Purpose Nuclear Bedtime Story:  Some trillions of years ago, 
|> a sloppy, dirty giant flicked grease from his fingers.  One of those gobs of 
|> grease is our universe on its way to the floor.  Splat. - WSB
try copying the code over and typinf 'make' it worked for me ! ~ 450k of c source!
Nick
-- 
Micro Credo:
        Never trust a computer bigger than you can lift.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
From: kapis-p@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Piotr Kapiszewski)
Subject: Re: Linux and Bernoulli?
Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 18:34:38 GMT

Bob Perkins (news@edus.oau.org) wrote:
: adap@andrews.edu (Edsel Adap) writes:


: >Hi!
: >Is there any way I can get linux to recognize my bernoulli 90?  Is
: >anyone working on a device driver for it?
: Depends. If the Bernoulli is on the SCSI bus, treat it just like a
: second hard drive, or third or fourth, and address it as such; i.e.,
: /dev/sd[bcd]x.

: If you have one of the IDE interface units, I cannot help.

I have B150 external and I couldnt get it to work with the original SCSI
controller it came with.  Since it is however compatible with for example
Adaptec SCSI's you can get yourself a cheap Adaptec say 1520/22A for I 
guess about $70-150 a parallel cable and it works.  It may not look to nice
with all the extra cables but unix above kernel 1.1.0 has no problems with
it.  I had some problems with 1.0.1 release when the drive would not sync
after about 15 or so min.  But with the new upgraded one the problem has 
been fixed.  Read the SCSI-HOWTO from sunsite.unc.edu
(/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO)

But if you got an IDE you might want to see if you can still go back to the
store and change it for the SCSI version.

-Kapi
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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: 3 instnaces of vaporware
Date: 24 May 1994 16:12:58 -0400

kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray) writes:

>In article <2rs1aq$aeg@acme.gatech.edu>, gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders) writes:
>|> ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>|> 
>|> >What are 3 well known instances of vapor-ware?
>|> >The Hurd, Debian Linux, and WINE!
>|> 
>|> These things may be less than solid, but they're not vapor.

>I guess that would put them in a liquid state? (Solid > Liquid > Vapor :-)

Actually, Debian is more colloidal.  Hurd is still hovering around the boiling
point.   WINE is, well, I can't dispute you on this one.  Wine's always liquid.


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Crossposted-To: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: soeren@beansidhe.ms.sub.org (Soeren M Soerries)
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux BBS Software
Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:04:30 GMT

root@jaxnet.jaxnet.com (root) writes:

>I am looking for some good bbs software that will run under Linux.  Some
>of the key things that I am looking for are:

Well, there is something that supports everything you asked for, except

>1)  Written and Supported inside the United States!

nope.  Isn't support on the net enough??


>2)  Source code must be provided (I love to customize)
>3)  Must be able to support subscription based service
>4)  Must be able to optionally enforce daily time limits
>5)  Must track users usage (number of minutes connected in a log or something)
>6)  Must be able to run external programs and shell accounts
>7)  Must be able to allow guest logins
>8)  Each user must have their own login ID (no generic logins like 'bbs')

All ok... ad 4, patches are being written for that kind of thing.

>Some things that would be nice but are not mandatory.

>1)  RIP graphics

no.

>2)  ANSI graphics

yes.


If you are one of the ppl whose bias is that there can't be intelligent
life outside the US, live happy without it. :-)  Or, ask
volkers@unnet.wupper.de  for ix/MBox bbs software for UNIX derivates.

I like it and it runs fine.  Ah, and it'$ =free=.

  Soeren
-- 
Send money by fax to +49-55-1487-719
                                             "one planet is all you get."

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: problems with slip/dip and route.
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 08:00:22 GMT

In <2rr4g0$o96@due.uninett.no> nfykw@alf.uib.no (Kristian Mowinckel) writes:

>I have tried to get slip/dip top work again, but failed.
>I replaced dip-3.3.7 with dip-3.3.7.lilo, but nothing changed.
>Last time somebody mailed me and mentioned something about route.
>Do somebody have any clue?
>I'm using slackware 1.2.0 with linux 1.0

It looks like the remote system does not have a route to you...

Rob
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From: thomas@melchior.frmug.fr.net (Thomas Quinot)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: NeXT like voice mail ?
Date: 23 May 1994 12:58:55 +0200

Shahid Ikram Butt (sib1@Ra.MsState.Edu) wrote:

: I have not installed Linux on my machine yet, I am looking to do that 
: real soon. A quick question. Is anybody working on NeXT-like voice 
: mail system for Linux ? I like the ability to send/receive voice mail on my
: computer.  Just about everybody has sounblaster or compatible card and
: it shouldn't be difficult to stnadardize something like that. 
It _is_ standardized (RFC-1341, aka MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail 
Extensions), and it runs fine under Linux.

You can get the 'metamail' package from BellCore, anon ftp to 
thumper.bellcore.com, cd pub/nsb and have fun.

Thomas.

-- 
ThoThoThoThoTho
        Totolitoto !

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From: thefru@sloth.ugcs.caltech.edu (Dan Y. Frumin)
Subject: Hunt on Linux
Date: 24 May 1994 20:50:53 GMT

Has anyone ported the good ol' game hunt to linux?  I'm about to start, but
I was wondering if someone had arleady done this...  It does a lot of UDP 
stuff and can be a pain under any SYS V machine.

Please reply to me directly as I don't get to check news too often.

Thanks all!

thefru@ugcs.caltech.edu


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