Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #162
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Linux-Misc Digest #162, Volume #2                Tue, 24 May 94 07:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Cirrus Logic supported by Linux? (Helen Sawyer)
  Re: Beware: Just Computers (Anthony L. Kimball)
  Re: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system (Marco Antoniotti)
  Re: Beware: Just Computers (Randy Just)
  Re: Fax Software for Linux (Uwe Bonnes)
  Re: GUS initialization under Linux (Rob Janssen)
  Re: GETTING LINUX VIA 3.5" (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Configure Network (Ron Smits)
  TERM 115, Linux and Ultrix (hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu)
  Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Matt Welsh)
  Re: Linux Journal #2 Anybody get theirs yet? (David Gadbois)
  Re: Beware: Just Computers (E. Robert Tisdale)
  Re: BusLogi 445S and DMA Channel (Tim Iverson)
  Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13
  Re: SCSI: Adaptec vs UltraStor (Drew Eckhardt)
  Re: TERM 115, Linux and Ultrix (Sheldon Smoker)
  autoresponder? (David Baldwin)

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From: Helen@dlgsys.demon.co.uk (Helen Sawyer)
Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic supported by Linux?
Reply-To: Helen@dlgsys.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 20:21:11 +0000

> 
>  Me neither, and I have a 5426 which is slightly newer.
> 
> 

I am using a 5428 and it works fine except it doesn't like Xfree86 very
much when using the BLT accelerator functions (sometimes I get streaks - 
small ones at that - across the screen).  

-- 
Larry Barea

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From: alk@et.msc.edu (Anthony L. Kimball)
Subject: Re: Beware: Just Computers
Date: 23 May 1994 19:21:28 GMT

In comp.os.linux.misc on 22 May 1994 07:50:04 -0700, Randy Just (rjust@crl.com) writes:

| It is even more regrettable that we may have to shut public access to
| internet e-mail down because of one bad apple.

Now *that* would get you a *well-deserved* boycott.  The man may be
a vile idiot, but the entire community has an urgent need that
he should be able to broadcast his vile tripe at will.  Censorship
is not tolerated by the Internet community.

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From: marcoxa@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (Marco Antoniotti)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system
Date: 23 May 1994 14:16:40 GMT

In article <2rm1sf$lvm@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> umisef@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) writes:


   From: umisef@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer)
   Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
   Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
   Date: 21 May 1994 22:27:27 GMT
   NNTP-Posting-Host: yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
   X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
   Xref: slinky.cs.nyu.edu comp.os.linux.misc:16733 gnu.misc.discuss:5894

   Jym Dyer (jym@remarque.berkeley.edu) wrote:
   : > A Lisp-based window system? Is that still happening?

   : =o= Jeepers, haven't you heard of GWM?  (The "G" is for
   : "Generic," not "GNU".)

   Yeah, my window manager of choice - but then, the single piece of
   software for linux that has given me the worst headache. Somewhere
        ...

Thanks. I do not know what GWM is, but, from what I gather from the
previous postings, it is *only* a Window Manager. I suppose you still
have to write your applications using a C (or C++, at best) library
(Motif, OpenLook or Athena).

That is not the problem addressed by the (Common) Lisp Community.

Happy Lisping
--
Marco Antoniotti - Resistente Umano
===============================================================================
Robotics Lab            | room: 1220 - tel. #: (212) 998 3370
Courant Institute NYU   | e-mail: marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu

...e` la semplicita` che e` difficile a farsi.
...it is simplicity that is difficult to make.
                                Bertholdt Brecht

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From: rjust@crl.com (Randy Just)
Subject: Re: Beware: Just Computers
Date: 23 May 1994 14:26:04 -0700

Anthony L. Kimball (alk@et.msc.edu) wrote:
: In comp.os.linux.misc on 22 May 1994 07:50:04 -0700, Randy Just (rjust@crl.com) writes:

: | It is even more regrettable that we may have to shut public access to
: | internet e-mail down because of one bad apple.

: Now *that* would get you a *well-deserved* boycott.  The man may be
: a vile idiot, but the entire community has an urgent need that
: he should be able to broadcast his vile tripe at will.  Censorship
: is not tolerated by the Internet community.

The system is still available to the public.  We just changed the policies
to help insure responsible users.  
 

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From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Fax Software for Linux
Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 21:32:39 GMT


In article <2ropl6$fq3@orion.cc.andrews.edu>, adap@andrews.edu (Edsel Adap) writes:
|> Hi!
|> 
|> Is there a public domain fax software for linux?  Preferrably one that
|> can send .dvi, .ps or xwd files.
|> 
|> If anyone knows of one, please let me know.
|> 
|> Thanks!
You can look for e.g mgetty+sendfax. 
---
Uwe Bonnes  bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: GUS initialization under Linux
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 11:36:52 GMT

In <1994May22.143449.1@ualr.edu> gdmauldin@ualr.edu (Doug Mauldin) writes:

>Keywords: Gravis Ultrasound GUS

>My new GUS card only works under Linux if I first boot DOS and allow
>the ultrinit program(s) to initialize the card.  Isn't there some way
>to initialize the card under Linux?   I can't find any reference to 
>this in the Linux Sound Users' Guide or any of the packages it
>refers to.  

>After it gets initialized, the GUS card works like a hose!  I'm using
>mp, xmp, gmod, and vplay to play the various formats.  I'll try recording
>one of these days. :-)

I don't have that problem with my GUS.
As you mention no version numbers of kernel and GUS card, there is little
else to say.  Maybe you need to upgrade your kernel.

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: GETTING LINUX VIA 3.5"
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 11:37:54 GMT

In <9405222103.0TL4E00@paonline.com> robert.schanke@paonline.com writes:


>        Ok, USENET and Internet mail are my only access to Internet at the
>moment. I want to obtain the latest version of Linux, preferably the latest
>Slackware or Soft Landing package (or any other package deal). I regretable do
>not have a CD-ROM, I don't even have a tape drive, I just have two 3.5" drives
>and two 2400 baud modems. I don't want to spend weeks downloading it, via FTP
>by mail,  or racking up LD charges.. hehe (I'm poor enough as it is :)

>        So, if anyone can e-mail me with the address and price list of the
>latest Linux distribution packages, I would be overly delighted. I'm currently
>stuck with .99 pl14. hehe..

You will probably find you're better off buying a CD-ROM drive and CD.
(especially in the long run)

Rob
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: Configure Network
Date: 23 May 1994 18:28:25 GMT

>>>>> "M.C." == M C Wai <R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com> writes:


[ a lot stuff deleted ]

    M.C.> 1) I can't find '/vmlinuz'. I already use /vmlinux instead
    M.C.> of it.  2) I can't find 'zImage' to rename it to /vmlinux
    M.C.> (/vmlinuz).  3) when I do 'make' after 'make depend', the
    M.C.> following error displayed:-

    M.C.>    ...  pcsp.c: In function 'pcsp_init':
    M.C.> pcsp.c:65:'SND_MAJOR' undeclared (first use this function)
    M.C.> pcsp.c:65:(Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
    M.C.> pcsp.c:65: for each function it appear in.)  make[3]: ***
    M.C.> [pcsp.o] Error 1 Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux/kernel/
    M.C.> ...'  ...  ^^^ (I omitted, if you need I can show you) My
    M.C.> configuration is as follows:- -486DX with 16M RAM -Yggdrasil
    M.C.> LGX Fall 1993 version, Linux 0.99.13 kernel -SCSI 1740
    M.C.> controller -200MB external harddisk -3c509 network card
    M.C.> -Sony CD531 -Use floppy disk to boot the system up (I don't
    M.C.> intend to use LILO as my boot loader because Linux is
    M.C.> installed in D drive of external harddisk and can't be boot
    M.C.> up if my external harddisk is removed)

[ even more stuff deleted ]

    M.C.> Regards, MC Wai


Looks like your kernel isn't setup properly. The best thing you can do
is to get a complete version and then rebuild the Kernel. Normal
procedure is:
        make config.    (this will ask some questions about the
                         system)
        make clean
        make

If it compiles ok, This will leave a file called zImage in the top of
the kernel tree. Normally this is /usr/src/linux. You can either copy
this file to a floppy and boot from this floppy (This is the same as
running `make disk' instead of just `make'). Or you can copy the
kernel to the normal place where lilo expects it and run lilo.
--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu
Subject: TERM 115, Linux and Ultrix
Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 21:29:52 GMT

Hi,

Even though this is more of an Ultrix problem than Linux, I posted here
because some folks have to use an Ultrix host with Linux like me.

Thanks to all that sent me the patches to compile TERM under Ultrix 4.3a.
The patches worked great with no problems, and the compile was without
any errors. However I still get the following error when I run term,
and it does not matter what the options are used for term. Term just
posts the error message and exits. :(

***** Start Error Message *****

Term version: 1.15
Bind: Invalid argument

***** End Error Message *******

Someone wrote that that the ~/.term directory may not be created, but
was created on the Ultrix host computer.

So I looked at the ~/.term directory on the Ultrix and Linux boxes
here are the results.

****** Linux ~/.term **********
srwxr-xr-x   1 root     root            0 May 23 07:23 socket
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root         2730 Mar 17 01:08 termrc

****** Ultrix ~/.term
-rwx--x--x  1 hkennedy     3553 May 23 16:10 termrc

****************************************************************

Well it appears that I do not have a socket created with Ultrix. How
does one create a socket? I hope this not too simple a question, if it
is please just point me to the right direction. However, I did not
make a socket for Linux why should I have to make a socket for Ultrix?
It appears that I have dived into this swimming pool and it is way
over my head. SOS! MAY DAY! HELP! I'm just guessing that I need a
socket or else bind cannot make a socket, whatever!

Thanks,

Helen


Extra Thanks TO the following for the patches.
Paul C. Dulany
Chris Metcalf

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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: software communists was Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 22:12:41 GMT

In article <DHOLLAND.94May23023041@husc7.harvard.edu> dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:
>mdw@cs.cornell.edu's message of Sun, 22 May 1994 20:43:29 GMT said:
>
> > Once you give up your ability---your RIGHT---to develop and support free
> > software, you've fallen prey to the corporations who are going to market
> > only software that can appeal to the masses.
>
>Nope. There's no danger of losing your right to develop software until
>they send the police to confiscate all compilers. 

Nope. There's plenty of danger. Look at what Microsoft has done in the
past with Microsoft C---only that compiler can correctly generate certain
"undocumented" calls required for compiling programs for MS-Windows.

Get the picture? 

mdw

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From: gadbois@cs.utexas.edu (David Gadbois)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal #2 Anybody get theirs yet?
Date: 23 May 1994 17:45:48 -0500

Vincent Cocco <cocco@misty.suffolk.edu> asks if anyone has gotten
their copy of the second issue of the Linux Journal.  I got mine a
couple of weeks ago.  I would not start worrying yet, though, as small
bulk-rate mailings can take up to six weeks for delivery.

--David Gadbois




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From: edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (E. Robert Tisdale)
Subject: Re: Beware: Just Computers
Date: Mon, 23 May 94 23:02:44 GMT

In article <2rqvno$qkh@uc.msc.edu>
alk@et.msc.edu (Anthony L. Kimball) writes:
>In comp.os.linux.misc on 22 May 1994 07:50:04 -0700,
>Randy Just (rjust@crl.com) writes:
>
>| It is even more regrettable that we may have to shut public access to
>| internet e-mail down because of one bad apple.
>
>Now *that* would get you a *well-deserved* boycott.  The man may be
>a vile idiot, but the entire community has an urgent need that
>he should be able to broadcast his vile tripe at will.  Censorship
>is not tolerated by the Internet community.

The United States Post Office does not permit you to send threatening
or abusive mail to any person or organization.  The telephone company
does not permit you to make threatening or abusive phone calls.  No
network administrator on the internet will permit you to use email to
send threatening or abusive email.  Just Computers should not permit
it either.  If this vile idiot needs to express himself, he can post
to an appropriate newsgroup.  I assume that `alt.chinese.text.usenet'
is not a public newsgroup since I can't find it in my `newsgroups'
list.  I don't think this guy had any business sending them email.

I believe that it is important for people like this to be able to
express themselves freely even if it only permits us to identify them.
But I think that Just Computers should close this guy's account or at
least restrict his email privileges.  I don't think that any reasonable
person would characterize this as censorship.  Bob Tisdale

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Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
From: iverson@lionheart.com (Tim Iverson)
Subject: Re: BusLogi 445S and DMA Channel
Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 23:06:25 GMT

In article <2rnjgs$g1l@news-rocq.inria.fr>,
Herve Soulard <soulard@sor.inria.fr> wrote:
>
>I've just bought a BusLogic BT445S and I've a problem with the
>DMA channel. When I load the BusLogic DOS Manager, it reports that
>no DMA channel is used. The same thing is reported by the NetBSD

This is not only normal, it is the preferred method.  The BT445s can run
either as an ISA bus-master (thus requiring a DMA channel to negotiate for
the bus) or as a VLB bus-master.  Since your BT445 is not using a DMA
channel, it is using the more desirable VLB bus-mastering and not the ISA
method.  Some earlier 445s used ISA by default to get around a potential bug
in the VLB mastering.  This has since been fixed, and now VLB is the
default.

>Does somebody know how to solve this problem ?

If you really want to run slower, you can (according to rumor) change SW2-10
from the default.

>       Orchid SuperBoard 486 DX2/66 VLB
>       20 Mbytes of RAM

This is the only really critical info ... if you switch to ISA DMA, your
BT445 will not be able to access anything beyond 16MB.

>The SCSI card works fine with DOS and with Linux 1.1.11. The
>only problem is that the DMA channel is not set.
...
>So what is wrong ?

Nothing is wrong.  Except ... well, you did cross-post this to just about
every newsgroup in creation (hrmph! how rude. ;-).  Followups have been
redirected to comp.periphs.scsi.


- Tim Iverson
  iverson@lionheart.com

--
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
        - William Muney (Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven)

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From: davor@emard.com ()
Subject: Re: blah - kmem ps utils break under 1.1.13
Date: 24 May 1994 00:13:22 GMT

Simon Ferrett (c9108932@sage.newcastle.edu.au) wrote:
: fix it, so i was wondering if there was anyone else who
: liked the kmem ps stuff enough for there to be a 1.1.13 
: kmem ps utils release?

Yes, I like and use kmem ps at 1.1.12. I like it a lot
because of "forest" option that sorts it tree-like. I also
hope there will be 1.1.13 release. (I don't doubt at all).
 
Best regards, Davor
--
<davor%emard.uucp@ds5000.irb.hr>, <davor%emard.uucp@srce6.srce.hr>
<davj@ds5000.irb.hr>

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From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: SCSI: Adaptec vs UltraStor
Date: 24 May 1994 00:15:09 GMT

In article <2rrfh5$8en@search01.news.aol.com>,
BAdelsman <badelsman@aol.com> wrote:
>I am trying to determine a good high-speed (fast SCSI-2) adapter for
>Linux (plus Windows and OS/2).  I've come down to the following three
>adapters (I have a 486-66, VL-bus PC):
>- Adaptec 1542CF
>- Adaptec 2842
>- UltraStor 34F
>
>I'd prefer a VL-bus card and am willing to wait for a Linux driver. 
>If I understand the latest pubs, the 1542CF and 34F are supported
>currently by Linux while the 2842 is under development.
>
>Any opinions or experience with those cards?  

You don't want any of the above boards.

>How about Adaptec support/reliablity versus UltraStor?  Ease of configuration?

-  Recent Adaptec boards are more sensitive to cabling problems
        (ie, impedance != 84 ohms, less than 30cm between connections,
        etc) than other vendors boards.  

-  Adaptec technical support is abysmal.  Expect to be waiting forty 
        five minutes to an hour if you have a user level question,
        repeat that wait a number of times if you need a technical 
        question answered or need technical documentation.

-  Ultrastor recently filed for bankruptcy, and their technical 
        support number was disconnected.  

Instead, you probably should be looking at the Buslogic boards.

- Most use active termination and robbust chip sets, making them
        far less sensitive to common cabling problems than the 
        Adaptec boards.

- They are Adaptec 1540 compatable, meaning they'll work with any 
        operating system which doesn't check to see if youre
        using a Buslogic board and then disables the Adaptec 
        driver if you are.

- Unlike Adaptec, Buslogic includes DOS, etc. drivers at no extra
        cost. (Ie, people have picked up 445S boards for $245
        with drivers)


Take a look at the 445S - it's probably what you're looking for 
(VLB, FAST-SCSI2, active termination, on board FDC).

-- 
Drew Eckhardt drew@Colorado.EDU
1970 Landcruiser FJ40 w/350 Chevy power
1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago

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From: smoke@cs.pitt.edu (Sheldon Smoker)
Subject: Re: TERM 115, Linux and Ultrix
Date: 24 May 1994 00:38:51 GMT

hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu wrote:
: Hi,

: Even though this is more of an Ultrix problem than Linux, I posted here
: because some folks have to use an Ultrix host with Linux like me.

: Thanks to all that sent me the patches to compile TERM under Ultrix 4.3a.
: The patches worked great with no problems, and the compile was without
: any errors. However I still get the following error when I run term,
: and it does not matter what the options are used for term. Term just
: posts the error message and exits. :(

: ***** Start Error Message *****

: Term version: 1.15
: Bind: Invalid argument

The problem is that you are on afs.  On an afs file system you cannot
create a socket.  You must create a socket on your machines local
disk, like in /tmp.  Then you will not get the error message.  I guess
you would have to change the path that term uses for the socket file.
Currently, term uses something like $TERMDIR/socket.  If you make this
path into /tmp/socket then you will no longer get the 'Bind: Invalid argument'
error.

hope this helps,
Sheldon.

--
Sheldon Smoker               | e-mail: smoke@cs.pitt.edu       
Pitt Computer Science        | phone : (412) 624 8454         
<a href="http://www.cs.pitt.edu/~smoke">my home page</a>  

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From: daveyb@bigdipper.umd.edu (David Baldwin)
Subject: autoresponder?
Date: 24 May 1994 01:39:46 GMT

Hi all,
I am going to be setting up my mail system to do some autoresponding.
I just wanted to ask if anyone has some opinions about
whether I should be using smail or sendmail and whether 
you think that I should use procmail or some other 
software for doing autoresponding with my linux box.

Thank you for any help,
Daveyb

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