Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #149
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 22 May 94 02:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #149, Volume #2                Sun, 22 May 94 02:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Mike Suzio)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (J Storrs Hall)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: SUMMARY: Database needed (archerdave@delphi.com)
  Slackware/MCC Interim/TAMU/BSD (Andrew C. F. Wong)
  connecting exabyte 8502 8mm tape to Linux 486 (Vince Skahan)
  Re: Wangdat 4mm dat drives on Linux (Chuck Munro)
  Beware: Just Computers (Chang-Hsun Jon Huang)
  Linux/Corsair in InformationWeek (Phil Johnson)
  SYS HANG ON BOOT TIME ... HELP ! (Your Listener)
  Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again) (Robert G. Smith)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Michael Shapiro)

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From: msuzio@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Mike Suzio)
Subject: Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: 20 May 1994 13:16:56 -0400

rob@Cygnus.COM (Rob Savoye) writes:

>msuzio@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Mike Suzio) writes:

>>shyamal@seas.smu.edu (Shyamal Prasad) writes:

>>In short, let's not condemn anyone for trying to make money.  If you want
>>to consider them evil scum, fine.  But they have a place in the Linux

>  Source should be free, sell support! 

>       - rob -

Well, that's your opinion.  And obviously, this opinion serves you
well, and you have valid reasons for supporting the concept.

But I disagree, and so do others.  This disagreement does not make me
a bad person.  And it certainly should not mean that people cannot
discuss commercial products without being harassed.  I just want
the GPL supporters to, basically, shut the hell up.  Take it to
gnu.whine.  I'm aware of the GPL, and so are all the developers out there.
I heard the discussion about why everyone should use GPL. I assimilated it,
I considered it.  I have not made up my mind on the issues involved, and
I don't want others to make up my mind for me.
Like I said before, commerical developers are a legit part of the
Linux community.  Live and let live, OK?  If you feel the need to comment
on how package "blah" sucks because it's commercial, fine.  I know I
appreciated people pointing out that XV was now shareware - I might pass
on it now since I doubt I'd ever register it.  But let's leave it at that,
not "well, package 'blah' is commerical, so we can't discuss it".  Which is
exactly the type of comment I was responding to.

-- 
|+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|
| Michael J. Suzio            msuzio@tiamat.umd.umich.edu   |
|  Marketing Director - Friday Knight Games                 | 
|  aka "That F*K*G company!"                                | 
|+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|

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From: josh@planchet.rutgers.edu (J Storrs Hall)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.humor.puns
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 20 May 94 17:19:11 GMT

bph@gov.nt.ca (Byron Hynes) writes:

>My favorite is in Ottawa, Canada, where my granparents lived. There is a
>Clyde avenue and a Bonnie Crescent... yes, the corner of "Bonnie & Clyde".

I once lived in Pt. Pleasant NJ on the corner of Benedict and Arnold...
-j

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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 02:58:17 GMT

schenn@lerc.nasa.gov (Lisa Henn) writes:

>Well, I'm not a programmer, so I guess I'm one of those novice new Linux

>There's one more thing I would add based on my observations of WordPerfect
>users:  a spell checker.  I suppose an interface to ispell would work dandily.

Bink!  You just hit the answer on the head.  For those DYING for a really
good wordprocessor, there IS WordPerfect... WordPerfect for Unix more
specifically.  The IBCS /COFF project has produced compatibility which,
supposedly, will run the SCO version of WordPerfect.  Unix WordPerfect 5.1
has ALL the features available on any other platform, and more (like 
terminal support, email support, Xwindows, etc).  SCO WP 6.0 is due soon.

Yes, you do have to PAY for it, but countless thousands of users PAY for
the MS-"DOS" or MS-"Windows" version.  In addition, WordPerfect has a policy
of setting the retail price of ALL of it's platforms the same.  If that
isn't enough, I believe WordPerfect corp will give you a price break if you
already have WP for MS-"DOS" or any other platform and want to upgrade to
Unix.  One word of warning- you MIGHT get support runaround since you would
be running the SCO version (there is no Linux version).

Still, I also support a "free" wordprocessor idea/project.  WordPerfect
is still the most popular wordprocessor in the world (and of all time) and
would be a good model to follow for a free project, just drop the more
complex features, but keep keystroke and command compatability (the key
to making users feel safe).

>We could do one better by making the average tasks straightfoward but 
>(somehow) make more complicated tasks readily accessible for those who want
>to venture that way.  (That's my big complaint about WordP--it doesn't do
>anything more complicated than a memo easily).

Actually, it does.  The main problem is learning the core philosphy of
WordPerfect "codes".  Most people do not take the time to learn that one
concept, which would greatly expand their success.


>From my observation of WordP users, the "F11--Reveal Codes" feature is much
>like this (even looks like this), but no one uses it...

My point, exactly.

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From: archerdave@delphi.com
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Database needed
Date: Sat, 21 May 94 23:58:56 -0500

Please add to your list OBST 3-4 from FZI.DE!
 
A post should be on (still?) c.o.l.a.
 
It is an OODBMS with an available tcl/tk front end (tclOBST) for developing
applications quickly?!
 
I use it! I like it!
 
Dave A.

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From: cfwong@csd.hku.hk (Andrew C. F. Wong)
Subject: Slackware/MCC Interim/TAMU/BSD
Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 23:50:37 GMT

Hello every Linux experts,
 
         I am new to Linux and have time to install one on my machine.
         (Just because my exam is over!)
                     
     I have some silly questions to ask:
         
         1. Which Linux package is better, popular / more powerful?
            Slackware? MCC Interim? or TAMU?
         2. Is it better to get free BSD? Or is free BSD better
            than Linux? How about the applications support?
         3. I've 2 harddisk, does it mean I need not to do
            with any disk partitioning? That's I install
            Linux in C: and MSDOS in D: Will this be okey?
         4. What're the most recent releases of kernel and XFree ? 
              
Andrew


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From: vince@coho.halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: connecting exabyte 8502 8mm tape to Linux 486
Date: 20 May 1994 05:05:32 GMT

I'm looking for pointers regarding whether it's possible to
read/write tar tapes on a Linux box connected to a exabyte 8502
8mm tape drive.  These tapes need to be directly exchangable
with a Sun workstation.

If it can also be done under MS-DOS, that would probably be
preferrable for the particular set of users who will be using
the system.  If not, it's ok for me to split-partition the
hard disk into Linux and DOS setups and fake it from Linux.


--
   ------------------- Vince Skahan ------ vince@halcyon.com ----------------
   People to delete from the news:
        Jackson (Michael, Jesse, pick one...), Trump, Bobbitt, Limbaugh
        Harding, Gillooly, Chung, Rather

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From: chuckm@canada.hp.com (Chuck Munro)
Subject: Re: Wangdat 4mm dat drives on Linux
Date: 20 May 1994 17:16:01 GMT

Michael K. Johnson (johnsonm@merengue.oit.unc.edu) wrote:
> I'm thinking very seriously about getting a Wangdat 4mm dat drive for
> a Linux box.  I'm wondering if anyone out there is using one with
> Linux, and if so,

I use an HP DDS drive with Linux and an Adaptec 1542B (I also use this
combination with DOS).  I have had absolutely no problems with it.

Since WangDAT uses an HP mechanism, you should have no problems. I have
also used a WangDAT drive on an HP UN*X workstation with no difficulty.

DDS drives which will do both compressed and uncompressed mode may or may
not be software-controllable when you are writing a tape (depends on the
software you use ... tar and cpio can't do this).  When reading a tape,
the mechanism senses compressed mode and switches automatically (at least
the HP one does).

If you can, arrange to test one before you buy.  I have not had an
opportunity to test one of the newer DDS-2 drives (and, of course, DDS-3
is on the way in about a year or two).

Having a DDS drive on my PC is one of the best expenditures I have made
so far ....  it is so convenient, and *fast*!

Hope this helps a bit.

Chuck.

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| The above is a personal opinion, not a statement of Hewlett-Packard.|
+--------------------------------------------------------- ve1cam ----+


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From: ch5372@eehpx3 (Chang-Hsun Jon Huang)
Subject: Beware: Just Computers
Date: 22 May 1994 04:58:35 GMT

Please don't buy any linux products from Just Computers.
Mark Brownsen is a nasty person. Decide for yourself.
Here is what he wrote:

~From: bigredd@justcomp.com (Mark Brownsen)
~Subject: Island of theives:Taiwan
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Listen up all you Taiwanese yellow belly bastards
Stop stealing our software and killing the environment before
we sink your little waste island with just 2 ICBMs
Funny how the only thing you couldn't steal, and for that matter,
couldn't even hold your own is your woman
Everytime we go to Taiwan we have to fight off herds of yellow whores
that want to fuck us simply because we are white
hell, I even got a little Taiwanese bitch here who is willing to suck 
my dick and translate all of your chinese shit for me at the same time
Well, I don't blame them.... Just the tip of my dick is thicker than 
most of your arms! Hahaha ! you weak men of asia!
Try one of you even talking to one of our women here.. Dream On!
Or maybe ya all want to be white like Mr. Rob the Nob Ching Chong Weener 
Waner
try to talk like a white man? Mr. Wang Dang? Well, you still ain't 
nothing but a chink... Go back where you came from you yellow belly
bastard...
I boss you people around here and I fuck your women in your own country!
C'mon you paper tigers, try standing up to a white man with out hiding 
behind this computer shit... In US or In Taiwan!
You can't, because you're WEAK! We are poisoning you with our tobacco
and taking your martial arts and making it ours.... HAHAHA! WEAK MEN!
All you people can do is wack each others small dicks and talk.....
Funny I heard asian gang members only prey on the asian 
elderly....HAHAHA!
You are WEAK ! Keep on fighting among yourself about whos 2 inch dick is 
longer! 
 
FREEDOM OF SPEECH! Don't you dare delete this or you'll get a law suit!
 
 

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From: johnsonp@sscnet.ucla.edu (Phil Johnson)
Subject: Linux/Corsair in InformationWeek
Reply-To: johnsonp@nicco.sscnet.ucla.edu
Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 04:46:50 GMT

The following article appears on p.26 of InformationWeek May 16, 94.
Retyped without permission, hope they appreciate the exposure.

It seems to me that the most interesting thing about the article is
the focus on the information/application side as opposed to being the
new OS to end all OS's.  I think that if this is the perspective that
Novell is highlighting through its leaks, that it will most likely
be put forward as a inexpensive tool for the information access.
Novell's interest will likely be sales of the application rather than
the feared (by some) hijacking of Linux.
 

*****************************************************
    Novell Testing Magical Unix Tour
'Corsair' software runs DOS and Windows

Novell is testing a graphical user interface that runs on the
Unix operating system.  This one, called Corsair (formerly Expose),
takes users on a graphical tour of a typical U.S. office and city to
access any number of applications.  In the office view, a click on a
telephone icon serves as the gateway to voice and E-mail applications;
a click on a file cabinet unlock text files.  In the city view, accessed
through a click on the office window, a click on an airplane connects
users to airline reservation systems and a stadium accesses ticket
agencies.  Corsair will run DOS, Windows, and Unix applications, and can
be used to access the Internet.  Corsair is based on Linux, a Unix
variant distributed for free across the Internet by Linus Torvalds, a
Finnish college student.  Since anyone can resell Linux, it could become
an attractive Windows alternative, say observers.  It's unclear how
far Novell will go with its Linux tests.  No product announcements are
imminent, says a spokesman.

                       -Joseph C. Panettieri

****************************************************

-- 
Phil Johnson                             Email: johnsonp@nicco.sscnet.ucla.edu


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From: ez030933@othello.ucdavis.edu (Your Listener)
Subject: SYS HANG ON BOOT TIME ... HELP !
Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 05:01:59 GMT

Hi to all Linux expert,

        Thanks for all the help on re-compiling the kernel and make my
BUS mouse works ..... Yes, I got X win running .... However, just for
an Hour. WHy ???? After I reboot ... , I cannot even mount the root ...
I think the ext2 file sys. is very buggy in this stage and the new version
and old version of mk2sck and e2fsck are all conflicting each other ....
I try to reboot with BARE ( BOOT ) disk then color144 ,,,, I mount my 
hard disk partition /dev/hdb1 ( the first partition of 2nd hard drive ) 
manually and run e2fsck -pf to fix the prob. .... ( automatically fixed )
Yuh, it said it fixed the file sys and then I reboot again with my custom
boot disk .... it won't work again 
all I can go is to this stage :

VFS mount ext2 /dev/hdb1........ 

the sys then hang like stoned .... I wait for 10 mins. still nothing done

Then I try again with just booting with BARE disk with parameter like

boot: mount root=/dev/hdb1 


and happens the same thing - hanging system ....

I install this version ( slackware 1.20 ) closed to 10 times .... and it 

just works for a while and then tell me my fs messed up and cannot log in ...

I also use the new fdisk 1.5a to repartition the hard disk but even worse like

something NULL buffer pointer inode something ..... kernel panic ..... and all

kinds of trouble .....   


I also getting message like "swap-free wierdness" "trying to free nonexistent
swap pages" "swap table [21849e99] bad " and all those crazy error message ...

I noticed one thing .... all those message will go if X win is running instead
of the console prompt mode .... WHy ??????

I am tired as heck of this new slackware version .... if nobody can help me 

I am going back to my old version of SLS 0.99 ( luckily I still keep my disks )

since it works fine and no such stupid fs check at boot up which make me cannot

even log in or the stupid e2fsck even trash my fs.....

Thanks in advance ....

=}



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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
Subject: Re: Linux for the masses? (WordProcessing again)
Date: 22 May 1994 05:26:46 GMT

Byron A Jeff (byron@cc.gatech.edu) wrote:

: 3) Word Processing: I've finally figured out that outside of the expert 
:   class that folks really only use computers to write documents. I can 
:   name a dozen folks that I work with that only used their machines to 
:   write documents until I introduced them to E-mail, which is essentially 
:   a another document tool. We need a word processor that native to the
:   platform. I know that it's been kicked around before but I have a new
:   twist to add: It needn't be complicated. Most of the ideas that have 
:   kicked around have centered around complex issues like object based 
:   semantic models and SGML layout architecture. But at heart there are 
:   only 5 or 6 essential tasks that a WP needs to perform:

:    1) Getting text into a document (obviously)
:    2) Applying attributes to portions of the text (fonts,size,bold,italics)
:    3) Printing
:    4) The ability to include graphics
:    5) WYSIWYG
:    6) Simple interface for commands.
:    7) On-line and offline documentation
:    
:    Before you add more (and there is probably more) ask youself how often
:    any other feature is used by the average user. Remember also that we
:    already have tools for doing complicated layouts. The key to a good
:    WP is that it performs that average WP tasks and not much else.

:    I light of this I have a new proposal for getting a simple WP off the
:    ground: start with an existing product and extend it into the WP arena.
:    I have not yet seen or run Harry's WP yet which may do the job but I'll
:    start with an example I'm familiar with: JOE.

:    JOE is a simple editor. JOE also has innovative features for an editor 
:    (help that stays up while you edit, multiple windows), and has the start
:    of rudimentary WP functions. And it's simple which is the most important
:    thing. Most importantly JOE doesn't intimidate folks with hard to use
:    interfaces or massive complexity. Type joe and start typing. Doesn't
:    get much simpler than that. I'm partial to it because I can introduce it
:    to novice users (like my 10 YO, or my parents) and they pick it up
:    quickly.

:    Right now JOE and fullfill items 1 and 7 on my list and these are the
:    ideas that I have for the others:

:  2) Attributes: Seems to me that SGML has the right procedural model
:       for attributes: just tag them with text. So it you want something
:       in bold Century 15 pt just tag it:

:       [Cent-b-15]This is Century bold 15 text.[def] and some more text
:       in regular format.

:       Keep it in regular text so that simple editors can edit it and it 
:       can be mailed or processed with text tools.

:  3) Printing wise I think the tools already exist: simply convert to
:       PostScript and Print it out. Or convert the above tags into something
:       else. The important thing is that the ability to print should be
:       able to happen from the app without leaving it.

:  4) Included graphics: Encapulated postscript is an obvious choice. Include
:       graphics just like xfig does. Supply a bounding box and the graphic
:       will go right in. Question: is there a linux tool that is Like Xpaint
:       for VC's. Seems it would be simple to create using the SVGA lib.

:  5) WYSIWIG: I'm a believer in text based applications because I've seen
:       many situations where one works from terminal, over modems, telnet
:       links and the like. So both a text based and X based display model
:       need be addressed:

:       text: The most important thing is that the app computes the amount of
:             space each character takes and only show an appropriate number
:             of character for each line. Something in 30 point should only
:             show 5 characters to the line if that's all that fits.
:             
:             The Second most important thing is to somehow highlight the
:             attributes for the text. The color console model will be good
:             for this. And I think that simply highlighting text that has
:             attributes attached for mono terminals is sufficient.

:          X: Obviously an X tool can show everything is it's proper form.
:             And it should be used when at all possible. How difficult
:             would it be to build a TCL/TK front end? I've only played with
:             it briefly.

I second this suggestion and the responses so far. I've used
W*rd-St*r for 15 years, starting with the beta release running
on "CPM".  I still use a recent WS release, running it on my linux 
system under dosemu, giving me PS printouts with previews, thesaurus
and dictionary like WP does.  The joe editor implements the "WS" 
idea pretty nicely and extends it logically (though of course
I still prefer WS).  I've found over the years that WS with its 
use of the Ctl key to extend the command set is much easier to 
use than WordP (with its reliance on the function and alt keys), 
and the wisdom of using just the Ctl key to initiate command 
sequences is obvious to me in the discussion in this thread so far.
  
  I don't know why WS didn't win out in the competition for the
DOS market. It certainly has very much the same functionality
as WP, and has been around longer. The point here is merely
to second the opinions already given about using the Ctl key for 
2- and 3- letter combination commands when pulldown mouse menus 
can't be used (i.e. remotely).  I don't see much difference otherwise
between WS WP and W*rd, etc.  There are differences in the 
key control sequences.  But WS has a ^od command that produces
the same "hide sequences" functionality as the Alt-F3 sequence
in WP. They both have "preview" modes to allow you to see the
font.

 There seems to be no reason why WYSIWYG (i.e. "real-time",
not preview) can't be implemented on the "WS"-"joe" input 
command sequences. I agree that the exact char sequences used 
to store text attributes in the file are simply an implementation 
detail.  They could be control characters (as in WS) or they 
could be chars with the eighth bit set (as in WS and WP) or 
they could be LaTex sequences.  The exact sequences seem (here, now)
not as important as their implementation into WYSIWYG.  But the 
philosopy of providing WYSIWYG whenever the graphics capability  
allows it is very important.  Very nice also to have inserted
graphics images along with the text. And implementing commands with 
only Ctl and normal alpha keys is also very important.  For exammple, it 
would be very nice to reserve the Ctl key to be used for the editor 
application, the Alt key for X, and the Function keys for switching 
consoles (I know this is oversimplifying a little but it pays to keep 
things simple with key sequences.  There seems nothing wrong e.g. 
with having Ctl-Alt- being defined for X, since that merely 
expands the Alt functionality). 
  
  The mouse discussion I also agree with.  There are some 
people who immediately like using the mouse to select editor
commands and continue to use it when they become expert, 
and there are people who find the mouse slow them down (like me).  
It should be possible to develop mouse-driven menus that parallel 
the Ctl sequences, showing the appropriate Ctl key sequence in 
the mouse menu.  It also should be possible to have the menus 
serve a double function, as command selection driven by the 
mouse, and as help tables for the Ctl sequences (i.e. it would
be useful to be able to switch from Ctl key to mouse without
having to remember 2 different help table layouts for the same
functions).  The menus should be selectable with mouse or 
Ctl sequences also.  This simple philosophy of a basic 
Ctl-key functionality with add-ons when either mouse or VGA 
or X is available will go a long way to making the LWPS 
universally appealing.

  I think it would be wonderful to have an editor like WS
or joe that could be used for word-processing and that
by a tap on a key could be used for programming (e.g. like
the "non-document" mode in WS).  The WYSIWYG could be
completely transparent, i.e. the "non-document" mode would
automatically switch to a constant pitch font so the
attribute sequences could be done away with when in the 
"non-document" programming.  Or alternately WYSIWYG and special 
text attribute sequences and a nice proportional font could be 
preserved and the "non-document" mode might simply write out a 
standard ASCII file produced by filtering out the WYSIWYG attribute 
sequences.  Although compilers don't want WYSIWYG sequences they 
could be fitted with a filter or preprocessor to ignore 
the attributes.  The idea here is merely that to merge the 
basic functions of a word-processor with a programming editor 
might be very easy and also resolve a basic need.
I am aware that several of these features already exist
in existing editors but it is clear to me that it has
never been done in a way that combines up-to-date Unix 
functionality with good word-processing layout.

  The editor is one of the first tools that you need in an
OS (I wrote an editor/assembler/emulator-debugger/math_package 
from scratch in hex-binary for my home-brew micropr. system in 
1975 while Gates was writing Basic), but I've heard again 
and again that to work on an editor is "reinventing the wheel" 
which to many people is a waste of time.  Well, here we 
have a situation where some creative combination of old 
and new ideas could produce an editor that would be useful 
to the majority of people for a majority of tasks.  Not 
all people, not all tasks.  But it seems to me a very useful 
and energizing project for the Linux environment.

Rob Smith


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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,alt.humor.puns
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
From: mshapiro@netlink.nix.com (Michael Shapiro)
Reply-To: mshapiro@netlink.nix.com
Date: Thu, 19 May 94 20:08:31 PDT

rockbear@diku.dk (Peter Juul) writes:

> g02o@zfn.uni-bremen.de (Mark-Oliver Wolter) writes:
> 
> >Sorry - no VESA cards accepted. Ca$h only. ;-)
> 
> cache? Damn... how much :_)

That reminds me of the equipment company that first started using 
high-speed memory devices as buffers for storing information.  I believe
it was called ...

    National Cache Register


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